IRC log of musicbrainz on 2003-05-18

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10:47:56 [djce]
Morning Russss
10:50:14 [Russss]
hey
10:51:11 [Russss]
got my code working, I think
10:51:57 [djce]
great
10:52:12 [djce]
Is it doing something exciting?
10:52:37 [Russss]
it's a musicbrainz plugin for foobar2000
10:54:26 [djce]
Cool. I had't heard of foobar2000 before, but having just searched for it and read a few pages, that seems pretty cool.
10:55:03 [Russss]
it's written by someone who left the Winamp3 team
10:55:32 [Russss]
I was going to write a winamp3 component (still am), but I'm still waiting for updates to the SDK
10:55:55 [djce]
Why is it that all media player software (foobar2000 excepted, I suspect) suffers from the skinning disease? They just insist on not looking like standard GUI programs.
10:56:02 [Russss]
yeh
10:56:03 [djce]
* djce grumbles
10:56:07 [Russss]
foobar has no skinning at all :)
10:56:16 [djce]
neat. Who'da thunk it?
10:56:44 [djce]
Right, time to go watch TV.... catch you later, Russss
10:56:45 [Russss]
but it's good, because it's got a nice api
10:56:49 [Russss]
cya
10:56:51 [djce]
* djce is away: I'm busy
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14:35:45 [justinj]
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14:36:17 [justinj]
can someone help me with a problem i'm having with python bindings to mb?
14:36:32 [justinj]
[justinj@chewie examples]$ /usr/local/bin/python getalbum.py
14:36:32 [justinj]
Traceback (most recent call last):
14:36:32 [justinj]
File "getalbum.py", line 4, in ?
14:36:32 [justinj]
import musicbrainz
14:36:32 [justinj]
File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/musicbrainz/__init__.py", line 1, in ?
14:36:33 [justinj]
from _musicbrainz import *
14:36:35 [justinj]
ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/musicbrainz/_musicbrainz.so: undefined symbol: mb_GetOrdinalFromList
14:36:40 [justinj]
[justinj@chewie examples]$
14:37:26 [djce]
icepick is the man to help you there...
14:37:38 [djce]
Hopefully he's about.
14:37:56 [justinj]
ok
14:38:58 [djce]
(If he doesn't show up you might want to ask your question on one of the mailing lists)
14:39:09 [justinj]
ok, i'll do that.
14:39:13 [justinj]
thanks
14:39:16 [djce]
np
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15:00:57 [icepick]
hi
15:01:14 [icepick]
hummm...
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17:49:42 [Russss]
yay
17:49:50 [Russss]
foobar2000 TRM generator is now actually working
17:51:38 [djce]
congrats!
17:51:52 [Russss]
now I've got to make it do something ;)
17:52:10 [Russss]
it's all of 30 lines of code :)
18:02:50 [Russss]
ok, I want to write MB TrackIDs to meta tags
18:02:55 [Russss]
what tag name should I use?
18:03:52 [djce]
Mmm, there's a web page that answers that somewhere...
18:03:56 [djce]
let me try and find it...
18:05:33 [djce]
try http://musicbrainz.org/docs/specs/metadata_tags.html
18:05:55 [djce]
I'm not sure if it's finished or not - I don't understand enough about the subject matter to be able to tell
18:09:36 [Russss]
ouch, that id3v2 stuff goes right over my head :P
18:10:01 [djce]
What sort of thing were you after instead?
18:10:36 [Russss]
well, foobar basically lets me say "set the field x to y", irrelevant of the file format
18:10:47 [Russss]
and it'll work it all out and write the tag
18:11:02 [Russss]
so it's a bit tricky having different field names for different tag types
18:11:23 [Russss]
oh
18:11:34 [Russss]
there's an easy answer to that anyhow
18:11:41 [Russss]
forgot that foobar doesn't do ID3v2
18:12:02 [Russss]
because it's bloat :)
18:12:48 [kyleboon]
what is bloat?
18:13:02 [Russss]
the id3v2 libraries are 100kb
18:13:18 [kyleboon]
yes, its not the easiest thing to do
18:13:29 [Russss]
foobar's creator doesn't believe in the need to embed the album cover art in the tag :)
18:13:37 [kyleboon]
but its a ton more versatile, its worth it
18:13:56 [Russss]
Foobar uses APEv2 tags
18:13:57 [kyleboon]
there are a lot more uses that album cover art
18:14:05 [Russss]
for MP3
18:14:57 [Russss]
which provides flexibility, without bloat :)
18:15:38 [kyleboon]
hmm.. have you read the spec for id3v2 tags?
18:17:14 [Russss]
yes, it..err... covers every eventuality :)
18:18:19 [Russss]
it has a lot of good ideas in it, but the point is that it goes too far
18:21:46 [kyleboon]
well.. it basically lets you create your own metadata.. it then creates a few standard ones, mostly what was in id3v1 plus a few extras. They use album cover art as an example quite often, but its not in every id3v2 tag
18:23:46 [djce]
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21:25:59 [ruaok]
* ruaok wonders who this djce guys is that keeps showing up in the logs on the server
21:26:45 [djce]
no idea, sorry
21:26:52 [djce]
no relation to me, that's for sure
21:27:23 [djce]
I noticed today that the ModClasses2 branch is 29 days old today
21:27:40 [djce]
10/27 mod types tested so far
21:29:54 [djce]
I have a feeling my estimate before I started the branch was 6 weeks. That's looking uncannily accurate so far...
21:30:21 [djce]
It's not like I'm slowing down now to deliberately hit that target or anything ;-)
21:30:26 [ruaok]
:-)
21:30:39 [ruaok]
two more weeks of testing sounds about right though...
21:30:49 [ruaok]
though its hard to get people to test.
21:31:02 [djce]
I'm getting there, eventually.
21:31:10 [djce]
I've noticed a few other people in the access logs
21:31:15 [ruaok]
Whenever I was doing the server releases and no one helped me test, I would set aside a day for 'live-testing'.
21:31:26 [ruaok]
Toss the server code out there in the AM and then watch the error logs.
21:31:30 [ruaok]
Never fails. :-)
21:31:41 [djce]
mmm, does that really count as "testing" ? ;-)
21:31:51 [ruaok]
I guess not.
21:31:58 [ruaok]
Real time debugging, more like.
21:32:09 [djce]
even more invaluable
21:32:36 [ruaok]
more than 12K people have viewed my hair page this month.... Wow.
21:32:47 [djce]
damn, I had something really important to mention to you.... damned if I can remember what it was...
21:33:52 [ruaok]
more important than my hair page??
21:34:11 [djce]
According to a brief check, all major domain variations on "robshair" are still available :-)
21:34:25 [ruaok]
I made a flurry of changes to the tunepimp and now it flat out doesn't work anymore.
21:34:27 [ruaok]
WFT?
21:34:29 [ruaok]
WTF?
21:34:40 [ruaok]
WTFFF?
21:34:53 [djce]
too much flurrying
21:35:55 [ruaok]
no doubt that is it.
21:36:04 [ruaok]
Maybe I should read the CVS diffs for a clue.
21:36:12 [ruaok]
But that would be too pathetic.
21:36:34 [ruaok]
a ha!
21:36:35 [ruaok]
Got it.
21:37:01 [ruaok]
Amazing what some sleep will do for your attention span.
21:37:11 [djce]
must try it some time
21:38:15 [ruaok]
still no clues what the important issue was?
21:38:25 [djce]
The only things I can think I was going to mention to you were some not-very-earth-shattering ideas about really minor parts of MB
21:38:33 [ruaok]
was it my body odor offending you all the across the atlantic?
21:38:39 [djce]
I'll have to think harder.
21:39:06 [ruaok]
or stop thinking about it altogether. You'll remember.
21:39:11 [djce]
I blame it on the beers I had earlier %-)
21:39:32 [ruaok]
:-)
21:39:38 [ruaok]
Damn off by one stinking &
21:39:53 [ruaok]
and now a complete recompile.
21:39:55 [ruaok]
yawn.
21:40:36 [djce]
Time for another 45 mins of TV... back later... I'll be distracted from my program now by whatever I was going to ask you. :)
21:40:44 [djce]
* djce is away: I'm busy
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22:25:24 [ruaok]
how was the show?
22:25:41 [djce]
still worth watching
22:25:56 [djce]
one of the better things on TV
22:26:26 [ruaok]
what was it?
22:26:41 [djce]
series 2 of "24" still.
22:27:07 [ruaok]
* ruaok can't relate. he doesn't watch TV
22:27:46 [ruaok]
I haven't live with a TV in house since '95.
22:27:56 [djce]
good going.
22:27:58 [ruaok]
I'm sure there are important aspects of culture I'm missing out on.
22:28:05 [djce]
I must try that some time
22:28:23 [djce]
missing out - yeah, for sure, but that's nothing to do with TV. :-)
22:29:16 [ruaok]
:-)
22:29:25 [ruaok]
Too much staring into the freaking computer.
23:04:50 [ruaok]
Ok, time for me to play with my friends a bit...
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23:04:56 [djce]
and me to go to sleep.
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