IRC log of musicbrainz on 2003-10-27

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hey
00:54:36 [Knio]
how new is MB Tagger 0.10.0 ?
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15:44:14 [PzyCrow]
Would it be possible to add a Delta(t) to the tagger app?
15:44:40 [PzyCrow]
So one could sort files acording to the diffrence in length.
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16:27:40 [dmwaters]
{global notice} Hi all, one of our main eu hubs just split. Sponsor says "someone pulled the wrong plug" and it's being fixed now.
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20:41:37 [ruaok]
Woah. .ca.us is FUCKED.
20:41:51 [djce]
describe?
20:41:52 [ruaok]
My mom can't go to work because most of San Diego is burning.
20:42:02 [djce]
oh. that sort of fucked.
20:42:05 [djce]
:-(
20:42:11 [ruaok]
And I can see smoke clouds rolling in from a fire just north of us.
20:42:33 [ruaok]
Not good at all.
20:42:48 [ruaok]
How are things in europe??
20:42:50 [ruaok]
Cold?
20:42:51 [ruaok]
:-)
20:43:02 [ruaok]
We've been having an ongoing heatwave.
20:43:14 [ruaok]
27 - 32C during the day.
20:43:23 [djce]
It's started to go cold here, yes.
20:43:31 [djce]
2-5 C most days at the moment.
20:43:38 [ruaok]
I'm preparing my friends to get cold!!!
20:43:54 [ruaok]
2C can kill most californians ;-)
20:44:10 [djce]
bless :-)
20:45:17 [ruaok]
ahhh. the fire here in town is supposedly nearly contained.
21:06:16 [moku]
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21:07:21 [moku]
how big is the average fingerprint for a song?
21:08:14 [djce]
all the same size.
21:08:37 [djce]
a few hundred bytes are calculated and sent to the signature server.
21:08:50 [djce]
and you get something like a 128-bit signature back.
21:08:54 [yalaforge]
the database stores 36 bytes
21:09:15 [moku]
sweet
21:09:23 [moku]
that is is incredible
21:09:58 [moku]
is there a portable db ability vs using the web "centric" server?
21:10:27 [djce]
the TRM process necessarily involves the use of the signature server, it's a "black box".
21:10:28 [orogor]
nop
21:10:36 [yalaforge]
I heard ruaok is working on replication
21:11:00 [yalaforge]
but you can also download snapshots of the musicbrainz database
21:11:02 [djce]
part of the work can be done offline (in theory), but the audio data MUST go to the signature server (online)
21:11:48 [moku]
so it is theoretically possible to have a server "cache-ing" the fingerprint id's for lookup?
21:12:22 [djce]
in theory you could do a bunch of work analysing audio offline, cache up the stuff which needs to be sent to the signature server.
21:12:35 [djce]
then when you're back online, you could send that to the signature server.
21:12:52 [djce]
in theory. but AFAIK no software which does this has yet been written.
21:14:02 [moku]
what kind of effort do you think it would take to build it?
21:15:06 [djce]
well, some C and C++ programming to start with... are you into that?
21:15:49 [moku]
totally
21:16:05 [moku]
i'm currently consulting for a company doing mp3 stuff
21:16:15 [djce]
Your best bet would be to ask ruaok how much work he thinks it might be.
21:16:28 [djce]
He's the one who's written all of that client software so far
21:16:32 [yalaforge]
or have a look at the libmusicbrainz source code
21:16:34 [moku]
you guys have one piece of their solution and I'm trying to see how the pieces might fit, you know?
21:16:40 [djce]
so he'd have the best idea as to how much work would be necessary.
21:16:57 [moku]
cool. thanks.
21:17:15 [ruaok]
it wouldn't be too bad.
21:17:31 [yalaforge]
djce: I managed to install mb_server on my box :-)
21:17:38 [djce]
yay! well done.
21:17:39 [ruaok]
yalaforge: congrats!
21:17:48 [djce]
imported a database dump too?
21:17:58 [yalaforge]
yes, it's all up and running
21:18:00 [ruaok]
moku: I can point you in the right direction if you want to do this feature.
21:18:01 [djce]
cool
21:18:06 [moku]
do you , ruaok, or any team members think you'd up for a little consulting work?
21:18:08 [yalaforge]
but the reports took hours. Is that normal?
21:18:12 [ruaok]
moku: YES!
21:18:16 [ruaok]
I need some cash. :-)
21:18:16 [djce]
:-)
21:18:25 [yalaforge]
I've got UDMA and only 256MB RAM
21:18:30 [djce]
yalaforge: which reports?
21:18:41 [yalaforge]
mb_server/admin/reports
21:18:44 [moku]
I can do it, but I'm better if I manage the biz-project and give the money to the guys who deserve it ;)
21:18:47 [djce]
My box is 800MHz, 256Mb, IDE HDD
21:19:02 [ruaok]
moku: sounds good to me.
21:19:08 [djce]
yalaforge: yes, they take a while. how long roughly?
21:19:15 [djce]
I hardly ever run the reports here....
21:19:19 [ruaok]
You'd need the offline TRMing done? Anything else??
21:19:23 [yalaforge]
AlbumsToConvert.pl 0 3312 2147444
21:19:29 [yalaforge]
DuplicateArtists.pl 0 2461 164966
21:19:33 [moku]
can you send me your contact info and resume/cv?
21:19:55 [ruaok]
one sec.
21:19:57 [moku]
yeah, I'd like to call you and take about 20 mins of your time at some point if that is ok?
21:20:27 [djce]
yalaforge: I'll try to run the reports here too, by way of comparison. but I expect that's about right.
21:20:37 [ruaok]
moku: http://mayhem-chaos.net/resume.html
21:20:41 [ruaok]
Yeah, sure.
21:21:03 [yalaforge]
djce: the whole operation grabbed about 400 MB mem (RAM + swap)
21:21:03 [moku]
terrific!
21:21:03 [ruaok]
Call me anytime at the number listed on the resume.
21:21:11 [djce]
I don't run the reports here very often for exactly that reason.
21:21:24 [moku]
ok. do you have time today?
21:21:28 [ruaok]
sure.
21:21:35 [moku]
you're in cali, right?
21:21:40 [ruaok]
Si'
21:21:47 [ruaok]
the burning one.
21:21:49 [ruaok]
:-)
21:21:52 [moku]
doh!
21:22:04 [moku]
:o)
21:22:37 [moku]
I'll give a ring around 10pm EST/ 7PM PST if that is ok...?
21:23:22 [moku]
oh, how many records are currently in the db now?
21:23:37 [djce]
see the side of every MB web page
21:23:43 [djce]
or http://musicbrainz.org/stats.html
21:23:51 [ruaok]
Where are you moku?
21:24:07 [ruaok]
I actually do have plans at 7pm -- we could do it later too.
21:24:09 [djce]
over 1,200,000 tracks IIRC
21:24:33 [moku]
today I'm in Atlanta, GA
21:24:46 [ruaok]
sounds like that is subject to change. :-)
21:25:07 [moku]
i'm just travelling a lot lately
21:25:14 [ruaok]
moku: If you have a moment, you could talk right now...
21:25:20 [ruaok]
s/you/we/
21:25:59 [djce]
Well I'm running the reports now.... I'll let you know how long it takes.
21:26:01 [moku]
dumb question :=> oh, so does that mean 1,200,000 distinct fingerprint id's?
21:26:14 [djce]
If I don't lost patience with it first.
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21:26:35 [moku]
ruaok, you tell me a good time for you
21:26:36 [djce]
979257 TRM ids
21:27:12 [ruaok]
moku: from now until the next 2.5 hours.
21:27:14 [djce]
see the aforementioned stats page for all the gory details (or at least a pertinent summary)
21:27:19 [moku]
ok. what is the average search time to go through all of the id's?
21:27:29 [moku]
ballpark...
21:27:31 [ruaok]
For a lookup??
21:27:34 [moku]
yup
21:27:42 [ruaok]
There are a few stages, really.
21:27:51 [ruaok]
First there is the fingerprint -> ID stage
21:27:55 [moku]
ok
21:28:11 [ruaok]
That is fast -- sub second -- it really depends on your net connection.
21:28:26 [ruaok]
The second stage is asking the MB server for relevant info for that TRM id.
21:28:47 [ruaok]
That stage can also be quite fast, depeding on what data you want.
21:28:56 [ruaok]
Just simple track info is also sub second.
21:29:04 [ruaok]
Do you have access to a windows box?
21:29:27 [ruaok]
You should play around with the MB Tagger to get an idea how long it takes to process files.
21:29:31 [moku]
yes
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21:29:45 [moku]
ok. I'll do it
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brb
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22:35:34 [orogor]
hi
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22:44:38 [ruaok]
hey!
22:44:50 [ruaok]
Anyone where an MB Tagger user??
22:45:06 [ruaok]
If so, would you mind sanity checking in the 0.10.1 release??
22:45:52 [ruaok]
http://musicbrainz.org/~robert/mbtagger-setup-0.10.1.exe
22:48:14 [ruaok]
Bueller??
22:48:30 [ruaok]
djce: Can I bother you to fire up Nicky's win32 box for a moment??
22:48:41 [djce]
sure
22:48:47 [djce]
give me a few minutes...
22:48:52 [ruaok]
I'd like to release this, but I don't want to do it without someone else having at least a cursory look at it.
22:48:54 [ruaok]
Thanks!
22:49:52 [ruaok]
bbiab
22:49:56 [djce]
So what's new in this release?
22:50:13 [Necronom]
ruaok: did you figure out what the proxy problem was?
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22:52:15 [KyleB]
does anyone else get 2 copies of many of the emails through the users list?
22:52:38 [djce]
not I...
22:52:49 [djce]
are they sent to the same e-mail address?
22:52:51 [Necronom]
Nope. Subbed twice?
22:53:01 [djce]
how about the message-id? same, or different?
22:53:02 [KyleB]
I wonder if it's just my filter messing up
22:53:25 [KyleB]
djce, where does one see the message id?
22:53:44 [djce]
in the full message headers... it depends on what mail client you use.
22:53:58 [KyleB]
* KyleB looks for the full message header in evolution
22:54:25 [djce]
ruaok: bad. "MSVCR70.DLL not found". no play.
22:55:08 [djce]
i.e. it installs fine (apparently) but the above error happens when you try to run it.
22:55:20 [KyleB]
yeah, they appear to have the same message-id
22:55:29 [djce]
ah, so something your end, I suspect.
22:55:36 [KyleB]
yup
22:56:14 [KyleB]
well, im currently configuring fetchmail/procmail so i can use maildirs instead of having evolution do the sending/recieving
22:56:19 [KyleB]
that will hopefully fix it
23:03:45 [ruaok]
djce: ick. I was afraid of something like that.
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23:03:56 [ruaok]
Did it specify which DLL was complaining?
23:04:24 [djce]
no, just what it said there.
23:04:40 [djce]
"A required DLL, MSVCR70.DLL, was not found". or something.
23:05:00 [ruaok]
ok, found it
23:15:21 [ruaok]
djce: one more try, please??
23:15:32 [djce]
same link?
23:15:50 [ruaok]
yes
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23:17:15 [djce]
* djce downloads it
23:18:15 [djce]
no change.
23:18:42 [djce]
md5: 21377fe4324e71d589c9a3df577e5810 mbtagger-setup-0.10.1.exe, yes?
23:19:37 [ruaok]
no.
23:19:48 [ruaok]
md5 starts with: 114f
23:20:30 [djce]
oh
23:20:56 [ruaok]
can you re-download??
23:21:25 [djce]
ah, I see the problem. my bad.
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23:22:40 [djce-win32]
now we're in business!
23:22:47 [ruaok]
yeay
23:22:49 [djce-win32]
anything in particular to test?
23:22:58 [ruaok]
not really.
23:23:04 [ruaok]
just starting the app should cover the bases.
23:23:10 [ruaok]
run one mp3 through the analzyuer
23:23:16 [ruaok]
and one ogg if you have it.
23:23:23 [ruaok]
If not grab one from:
23:23:29 [djce-win32]
I'll go and tag a few then...
23:23:41 [ruaok]
http://vorbis.com/music/Epoq-Lepidoptera.ogg
23:24:56 [djce-win32]
so far so good anyway
23:28:24 [djce-win32]
it analysed the ogg file - should I try to tag it?
23:30:24 [djce-win32]
well apparently it saved the ogg tags ok
23:30:32 [djce-win32]
no problems to report
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23:31:25 [ruaok]
Super, thanks tons!
23:31:38 [ruaok]
I'll go update the server pages and get it out the door.
23:32:11 [ruaok]
djce: is the server on the trunk or still on that branch??
23:32:22 [djce]
branch.
23:32:27 [ruaok]
ok.
23:32:51 [djce]
the idea is that the server will ALWAYS be on a branch. but which branch it is will change from time to time.
23:33:11 [ruaok]
right.
23:33:36 [ruaok]
I did notice a change, but I couldn't remember if it was back to HEAD or a new branch.
23:57:43 [ruaok]
Ok, the site has been updated with the new tagger!