IRC log of musicbrainz on 2004-09-20

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05:55:17 [Cubano]
<<< New MusicBrainz guy... what does "TRM Collison" mean?
05:55:57 [ruaok]
one sec.
05:56:11 [Cubano]
k
05:56:41 [ruaok]
question #4:
05:56:41 [ruaok]
http://www.musicbrainz.org/tagger/faq.html
05:56:56 [Cubano]
stupid me its in the FAQ
05:57:01 [ruaok]
:-)
05:57:49 [Cubano]
so basically it is "unidentified"
05:58:11 [Cubano]
and i need to find the correct info on it
05:58:16 [ruaok]
no.
05:58:34 [ruaok]
select the file with the collision and click lookup.
05:58:39 [Cubano]
ahhh gotcha
05:58:49 [ruaok]
then pick the appropriate one from the list.
05:59:01 [ruaok]
or search if ya hafta.
05:59:03 [Cubano]
ok thanks a ton... this is Much better than MoodMusic
05:59:10 [ruaok]
MoodLogic?
05:59:16 [Cubano]
thats it
05:59:20 [ruaok]
good to hear that.
05:59:28 [ruaok]
send us a donation, please!
05:59:34 [Cubano]
i mean its good if your into making mixes, but for Tag Info this is great
05:59:47 [ruaok]
:-)
06:00:45 [Cubano]
ok they can't find the song, how do I submit it?
06:00:58 [ruaok]
you import the whole CD from freedb.
06:01:06 [ruaok]
go to the artist page and then hit the import link.
06:01:10 [Cubano]
k
06:01:28 [ruaok]
make sure it meets our styleguides -- there are links at the top of the import pages.
06:01:49 [ruaok]
once its in the DB, you can look it up again or just hit the tag icon.
06:02:41 [Cubano]
ok gotcha
06:09:24 [Cubano]
Moderation note--- what is that?
06:09:54 [ruaok]
a note that is attached to a moderation....
06:10:12 [Cubano]
oh gotcha
06:10:15 [ruaok]
http://musicbrainz.org/mod_intro.html
06:10:16 [Cubano]
wow im an idiot
06:10:36 [Cubano]
it must be a male thing, i dont like to read directions/FAQ heh
06:12:39 [cikkolata]
at least you're asking rather than going ahead blissfully ignorant :\
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06:36:56 [ruaok]
cikkolata: you stil awake?
06:41:30 [cikkolata]
yep!
06:41:44 [cikkolata]
I only woke up at 5am, so I should hope so ;)
06:41:59 [ruaok]
:-)
06:42:16 [ruaok]
given that you may be the most experienced picard user out there...
06:42:25 [ruaok]
* ruaok tries to remember his question
06:42:26 [ruaok]
oh yea.
06:42:29 [ruaok]
clustering.
06:42:47 [ruaok]
I think the 'cluster' button is a pain and some sort of auto-clustering should happen.
06:42:55 [ruaok]
have you any thoughts on clustering?
06:43:10 [cikkolata]
hmm
06:45:07 [cikkolata]
auto-clustering seems like a better idea, I don't remember /not/ using it.
06:45:20 [ruaok]
ok.
06:45:30 [ruaok]
I'm struggling with when it should auto cluster.
06:45:30 [cikkolata]
with an option somewhere to uncluster something, maybe.
06:45:50 [ruaok]
well, to uncluster, just drag the cluster back to unmatched files
06:45:59 [cikkolata]
ooh.
06:46:32 [ruaok]
should it auto-cluster after it exhausted all the files in the [ drag files here ] ??
06:46:50 [ruaok]
and have a cluster button that the user can hit before then?
06:46:58 [ruaok]
maybe auto cluster every n files?
06:47:06 [cikkolata]
stop reading my mind!
06:47:11 [cikkolata]
I can't type fast enough!
06:47:15 [ruaok]
which one?
06:47:16 [ruaok]
:-)
06:47:26 [cikkolata]
I was going to say the first two
06:47:43 [ruaok]
ok, makes sense.
06:47:47 [cikkolata]
and the third sounds good too, especially when I drop a few hundred songs onto it at once
06:48:09 [ruaok]
I am thinking of getting rid of all the buttons on the bottom and moving the buttons and search items to the yet-to-be-created toolbar.
06:48:31 [ruaok]
and then adding a little html area where the coverart and some nicely formatted text about the album could be shown.
06:48:48 [cikkolata]
if you do, can you keep the remove button a bit further away from the cluster and save buttons? :)
06:48:58 [ruaok]
hehe. :-)
06:49:13 [ruaok]
save and remove should not be next to another :-)
06:49:59 [ruaok]
I've just finished impelementing my own directory browser.
06:50:08 [cikkolata]
ooh.
06:50:17 [ruaok]
should be oodles more reliable.
06:54:50 [cikkolata]
it would be nifty if I could drop cover art onto the cover art thing, but it's not exactly something I really need.
06:55:17 [cikkolata]
amazon says "haha! you listen to obscure music! no cover art for you!"
06:55:22 [ruaok]
:-(
06:55:29 [ruaok]
define obscure.
06:55:40 [cikkolata]
dodgy foreign stuff, mostly.
06:56:20 [ruaok]
for example?
06:56:40 [ruaok]
* ruaok currently has Dead Can Dance on
06:57:58 [cikkolata]
ooh. pretty.
06:58:03 [cikkolata]
I can't think of any right now :(
06:58:13 [ruaok]
* ruaok knows the feeling
06:58:26 [cikkolata]
the second one of us leaves though, I'll remember about 20.
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06:58:51 [ruaok]
did it work?
06:58:53 [ruaok]
:-)
06:58:59 [cikkolata]
rofl
06:59:06 [cikkolata]
no, I wasn't looking >_<
06:59:37 [ruaok]
lol
07:00:02 [cikkolata]
any particular dead can dance album?
07:00:12 [ruaok]
Toward the within.
07:00:15 [cikkolata]
ah
07:00:26 [cikkolata]
I only have aion
07:00:55 [ruaok]
ttw is a best of soundtrack to a movie they did.
07:00:58 [ruaok]
amazing.
07:02:20 [cikkolata]
hmm, how does the album art stuff work anyway?
07:02:43 [ruaok]
we match our DB against what we find via amazone web services.
07:03:01 [ruaok]
and then we show the coverart on our pages, by creating links to the amazon server.
07:03:25 [cikkolata]
hmm.
07:03:35 [cikkolata]
which locale thing does it use?
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07:03:55 [ruaok]
not sure I understand the q.
07:03:56 [ruaok]
tma!
07:04:04 [ruaok]
er, uhm. we have a Q for you TMA.
07:04:20 [cikkolata]
my little experience with aws is that you can choose the country
07:04:25 [tma]
ruaok: hi
07:04:30 [ruaok]
Dave and I both felt that Johan has been AWOL too long, so we demoted him.
07:04:35 [ruaok]
And promoted you:
07:04:35 [ruaok]
http://test.musicbrainz.org/bio.html
07:04:49 [tma]
um. ok
07:05:09 [ruaok]
cikkolata: we just talk to the .us server atm
07:05:35 [cikkolata]
ah
07:06:35 [tma]
was that the question?
07:07:07 [ruaok]
oh. I thought that was implied. :-)
07:07:12 [ruaok]
you ok with that?
07:07:23 [ruaok]
we just grabbed the one piccy we could find.
07:07:30 [ruaok]
send us another one if you like.
07:07:37 [tma]
I guess so. I'm not sure I'm involved enough to warrant it. :-/
07:07:48 [ruaok]
and send us more text please.
07:07:59 [ruaok]
well, dave and I thought you are... so...
07:08:05 [tma]
yeah, that's a cruddy picture, but then again there aren't really any good ones
07:08:34 [ruaok]
I think it actually works in the all-the-devs-have-mysterious-pictures sort of way.
07:09:02 [ruaok]
can't say that *any* of those pictures are 'normal', can we?
07:09:24 [cikkolata]
oh! two that the .com server doesn't like, l'ame immortelle and dasein, but they have cover art on .de and .jp respectively.
07:09:45 [ruaok]
oh!
07:10:06 [ruaok]
can you please dig out the amazon link and the mb link? I'd like to examine those.
07:10:16 [ruaok]
perhaps we need to hit the other servers for more matches.
07:10:38 [cikkolata]
ok, in a minute
07:11:08 [tma]
ruaok: yeah, but my picture is all dark and out-of-focus crap, not mysterious crap. :)
07:13:03 [tma]
ruaok: that one's better
07:13:28 [ruaok]
sorry, but my firewall blocks dccrecv s
07:13:30 [ruaok]
please mail it.
07:16:19 [tma]
I don't think I'm in the right frame of mind to write a bio at the moment
07:16:42 [ruaok]
np
07:16:45 [ruaok]
take your time.
07:17:03 [ruaok]
send me one and I'll update the pic and bio at the same time.
07:17:07 [tma]
ok
07:18:44 [tma]
alright, I'm off again
07:18:47 [tma]
cya
07:18:51 [ruaok]
ok
07:18:53 [ruaok]
bye!
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07:34:19 [cikkolata]
l'ame immortelle - judgement: http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005KBIE http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005KBIE http://musicbrainz.org/album/71c69360-62ab-4b81-b7b2-f028399987da.html dasein - sasuraibito: http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005HT8F http://musicbrainz.org/album/b5ee71ee-aa5e-4bfe-b65d-7adb776065bd.html
07:35:22 [ruaok]
well, amazon doesn't have an image available for it.
07:35:34 [ruaok]
so, no chance we're going to match it.
07:36:04 [ruaok]
ick and the spelling is different too.
07:36:57 [ruaok]
shouldn't make a difference on the spelling, but amazon doesn't have an image for it. :-(
07:37:14 [cikkolata]
.com doesn't, but .de does
07:37:18 [cikkolata]
>_<
07:37:23 [ruaok]
oh.
07:37:57 [ruaok]
for the L'ame one?
07:38:01 [cikkolata]
yeah
07:38:14 [cikkolata]
the dasein one doesn't exist on the .com site
07:38:22 [ruaok]
I don't see alink to a .de site
07:38:29 [cikkolata]
o_O
07:38:29 [ruaok]
do you have that handy?
07:38:43 [cikkolata]
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005KBIE
07:39:02 [cikkolata]
it was in my long message thing, unless something ate it.
07:39:17 [ruaok]
hey she's cute. :-)
07:39:34 [ruaok]
yep, that looks like an improvement waiting to happen.
07:39:41 [ruaok]
and you RFE that please?
07:40:02 [cikkolata]
where do I go to do that?
07:40:02 [ruaok]
I hope we don't have to bang all our stuff against all the amazon servers.
07:40:11 [ruaok]
mb.org/bugs
07:44:32 [cikkolata]
* cikkolata squeaks
07:44:39 [cikkolata]
I hate coming up with summaries.
07:45:08 [ruaok]
"different amazon stores have different cover art. For example:
07:45:27 [ruaok]
show the .com vs .de link and include the mb.org link and that is it
07:49:43 [ruaok]
Ok, I'm off to bed.
07:49:49 [ruaok]
thanks for the feedback!
07:49:52 [ruaok]
nite!
07:49:56 [ruaok]
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time to reboot mac os update
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21:53:18 [uriel]
hi, can someone recomend me a tagger for linux? been looking around the site but couldn't really find anything useful..
21:54:40 [ruaok]
I'm working on one right now...
21:54:52 [ruaok]
http://musicbrainz.helixcommunity.org
21:55:21 [uriel]
ruaok: it's useable?
21:55:23 [ruaok]
https://helixcommunity.org/download.php/576/picard-0.3.0.tar.gz
21:55:30 [ruaok]
its getting there.
21:56:17 [uriel]
ok, I will try it out...
21:56:35 [ruaok]
the install requirements are a bit steep...
21:56:43 [uriel]
supports ogg/vorbis/flac, I hope?
21:56:49 [ruaok]
yup.
21:56:54 [uriel]
neat..
21:57:04 [uriel]
what you mean "install requirements"? dependencies?
21:57:10 [ruaok]
yep.
21:57:38 [uriel]
* uriel sighs...
21:59:01 [uriel]
not in debian, I guess? :)
21:59:18 [uriel]
nope :/
22:02:54 [uriel]
hmmmm... I hope it works with the version of wxPython in experimental..
22:03:11 [ruaok]
nope.
22:04:55 [uriel]
oh, well, then I think I will give up for now, I have had enough dealing with all this dependency madness
22:05:08 [ruaok]
I warned ya. :-)
22:05:42 [uriel]
*sigh*
22:06:21 [uriel]
bye, thanks anyway, maybe I come back some day...
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* real [mp3+] - (Playing: [Sweden] Ablaze My Sorrow - Anger Hate and Fury - 09 - heartless [2002]) - (5:24 of 6:24) - ([|||||||| ][84.32%])
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* ruaok waves to djce
22:35:11 [djce]
hey there
22:35:26 [ruaok]
still troubles with MoveTRM ?
22:35:29 [djce]
* djce tries to finish $trm->MergeTrack.
22:35:39 [djce]
indeed, I keep making a mess of it.
22:35:47 [ruaok]
:-|
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* ruaok hacks on picard
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too many FKs for my poor little head to envisage
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ruaok: I'm finally done with $trm->MergeTracks
23:27:38 [djce]
and I even tested it this time :-)
23:27:39 [ruaok]
good.
23:27:45 [ruaok]
:-)
23:27:51 [djce]
so, let the testing commence.
23:27:52 [ruaok]
I'm planning on doing some testing later today.
23:28:19 [djce]
I have modified the admin/sql stuff still further, but I've patched the necessary mods onto grunt
23:28:30 [djce]
so a full re-import, re-upgrade should not be necessary.
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k
23:31:24 [djce]
* djce prepares for bed
23:37:28 [djce]
So, I'm busy tomorrow evening, but maybe the day after I can get testing too.
23:37:48 [ruaok]
cool.
23:37:51 [djce]
Meanwhile I'll leave you to hack away at Picard. I'm looking forward to it :-)
23:37:56 [djce]
night!
23:37:59 [ruaok]
me too. :-)
23:38:00 [ruaok]
nite!
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