IRC log of musicbrainz on 2006-03-07

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00:01:08 [Shepard]
so then Christina Aguilera was a legal name before and now is a performance name
00:01:09 [yllona]
that's better than a "performs as" for band reincarnations
00:01:10 [Shepard]
funny :)
00:01:26 [Shepard]
"performs as" for bands is absolutly wrong
00:01:34 [yllona]
yep
00:03:34 [yllona]
another example of the married name quagmire is "Jean Carn(e)" she has recordings under maiden name, her married name, and performance name.
00:03:41 [rowaasr13]
I'm not talking only about reincarnations. "move" changed to "m.o.v.e" (http://musicbrainz.org/artist/b58a2815-9c15-4fc8-b023-9bea7207e877.html) just because they felt like it. It is absolutely same band, but I still feel wrong seeing old releases under new name, when all CMs, PVs and other sites show old name on them.
00:04:41 [yllona]
or parliament->funkadelic
00:04:59 [rowaasr13]
(Quick sweep on japanese 'net said that it is not "felt like it", but because they're moving to US market, but anyway).
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00:06:24 [rowaasr13]
Japanese performers also like to change kanji in name without change reading just for aestetical purposes. This is not handled right now: both names are "legal" after all!
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00:08:22 [Shepard]
typical case for the Artist <-> Release Artist split in the next schema I guess
00:10:05 [rowaasr13]
Well, just to sum it: yeah, I want ability to see both all releases by some particualar entity and releases that belong to only one particular "name" and all the stuff and documentation to make this work. :)
00:10:57 [Shepard]
we all want a lot :)
00:11:41 [fuchs]
first the want to split them up in 1000 collaborations, now they want to see them all on one page again ... tsss ;)
00:12:00 [fuchs]
+y
00:13:09 [rowaasr13]
Yeah, give me anti-greed pills. Lots of them!
00:18:48 [Shepard]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4030953 opinions?
00:21:17 [rowaasr13]
I'm with greycat.
00:22:58 [Shepard]
as you work a lot on Japanese artist discographies which are full of artist intent, I expected that :)
00:24:57 [`Spike]
http://bam.st/4F7 -- FatWallet Forums - Seagate 200GB internal drive for $3.99 starting 3/5 @CC AR/PM YMMV
00:25:29 [fuchs]
damnit, i can't kick
00:25:55 [`Spike]
lol
00:25:57 [`Spike]
it's not spam
00:25:59 [`Spike]
go their
00:26:00 [`Spike]
take a look
00:26:05 [`Spike]
it's at circuit city
00:26:19 [`Spike]
why is it i paste a link in a few channels and everybody thinks i'm trying to spam them all the sudden
00:26:30 [`Spike]
it's a seagate drive, at circuity
00:26:36 [`Spike]
and it's just under $4
00:26:45 [`Spike]
I wish someone would spam me with those kinda deals
00:26:47 [`Spike]
all day everyday
00:27:18 [Shepard]
fuchs: pssst! you wanna buy an 'A'?
00:27:43 [fuchs]
Shepard: sure
00:27:48 [fuchs]
Shepard: what for? :)
00:28:43 [Shepard]
an apple and an egg..
00:35:02 [fuchs]
Shepard: and what can i use the A for? ;)
00:35:27 [Shepard]
take the 'A' train, for example
00:36:05 [fuchs]
`Spike: still spam to me :)
00:36:25 [nikki_]
and to me
00:58:26 [Shepard]
if I would use artist intent here, I would have to put a lower case omega: http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000CNEOLQ.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg :D
01:02:01 [fuchs]
why?
01:02:11 [fuchs]
it's uppercase there :)
01:03:20 [Shepard]
yeah but I would not accept that as artist intent - if at all only the omega
01:03:38 [fuchs]
ehm, why? :)
01:04:08 [Shepard]
go and read the style guidelines again :)
01:04:18 [Shepard]
or for the first time? :)
01:06:51 [Shepard]
they write the name with a normal o on their page a lot
01:07:16 [Shepard]
so it's a Korny style thingy
01:08:12 [fuchs]
which artist writes his own website? ;)
01:08:59 [Shepard]
http://www.musicbrainz.org/artist/b86bf49a-9097-4faf-9ad5-ada6dd8fe459.html <- they
01:10:04 [yllona]
this guy writes his own web site: http://www.jasonluckett.com/ and sites forother artists too.
01:11:22 [fuchs]
*g* that's been a rhetorical question ;)
01:12:28 [Shepard]
I love to give unexpected answers to rhetorical questions :)
01:14:28 [Shepard]
a cappella band from here btw :o
01:21:23 [yllona]
okay, i confirmation on the composer on a hidden track on an album: http://musicbrainz.org/track/40fb0950-a4e1-46e0-9286-9412a70a85dd.html
01:22:21 [yllona]
this is two tracks, "Countronious Rex" composed by Jeff "Tain" Watts, and "Sleepy Hollow" composed by
01:22:43 [Shepard]
open issue :)
01:22:57 [yllona]
Branford Marsalis. "Sleepy Hollow" is the hidden track. How would i add the composer ARs properly?
01:23:34 [yllona]
okay
01:23:51 [yllona]
i can add annotation to the album
01:33:59 [yllona]
added annotation
01:34:31 [Shepard]
:)
01:37:43 [WolfsongOpera]
* WolfsongOpera pokes nikki_
01:38:41 [Shepard]
don't wake her up :o
01:39:16 [WolfsongOpera]
* WolfsongOpera thinks for a moment
01:39:32 [WolfsongOpera]
* WolfsongOpera has an idea
01:39:50 [WolfsongOpera]
* WolfsongOpera grins and tiptoes across the room
01:39:52 [Shepard]
uh oh
01:40:04 [WolfsongOpera]
* WolfsongOpera turns round to the room and says
01:40:06 [WolfsongOpera]
shhhh
01:40:18 [WolfsongOpera]
be vewy vewy quiet
01:40:20 [Shepard]
:x
01:40:23 [WolfsongOpera]
i'm hunting wabbits
01:40:36 [WolfsongOpera]
* WolfsongOpera tiptoes further
01:40:44 [yllona]
wolf: did i tell you that LaBelle is back together for a tour *and* an album?
01:40:47 [WolfsongOpera]
* WolfsongOpera turns around again and says
01:40:51 [WolfsongOpera]
were wabbits
01:41:02 [WolfsongOpera]
shhhh
01:41:06 [Shepard]
.oO( too much of.. I don't want to know! )
01:41:45 [WolfsongOpera]
* WolfsongOpera sneaks around to nikki_ and places her hand in a bucket of water and tiptoes back
01:41:51 [WolfsongOpera]
hehehehe
01:42:12 [yllona]
* yllona suspects wolfsong spends a lot time on the Cartoon channel. Elmer Fudd....
01:42:15 [WolfsongOpera]
yllona: nope but i'm gonna be looking out for that one
01:42:31 [yllona]
me too!
01:42:48 [Shepard]
you're mean >:(
01:42:54 [WolfsongOpera]
* WolfsongOpera has a father who was obsessed with warner bros. cartoons
01:42:59 [WolfsongOpera]
no i'm not
01:43:14 [WolfsongOpera]
she got me into this opera business
01:43:22 [WolfsongOpera]
she should provide support :P
01:43:33 [yllona]
wolfsong: my dad too! his favorite was foghorn leghorn, and rod runner
01:43:40 [yllona]
*road runner
01:43:49 [WolfsongOpera]
dad loooooved road runner
01:43:59 [Shepard]
but you either gonna wake her up or make her pee into her bed with the hand in the bucket of water. that's meeeeeean!
01:44:19 [yllona]
yeah, my dad laughed his ass off no matter how many times he'd seen the cartoon :)
01:44:35 [WolfsongOpera]
well that or she'll fall outta bed again and be soaking wet
01:44:44 [WolfsongOpera]
let's see which happens
01:45:03 [WolfsongOpera]
yeah i couldn't watch my cartoons if he was home
01:45:33 [Shepard]
* Shepard takes care none of that happens
01:45:49 [yllona]
Shep: me either. we only had one TV back then. and it "belonged" to my dad.
01:46:08 [Shepard]
hu?
01:46:30 [WolfsongOpera]
LOL
01:46:37 [WolfsongOpera]
he was talking to me y
01:46:42 [yllona]
yep. i grew up with only one TV, and my Dad had complete control.
01:46:57 [yllona]
oops! sorry
01:47:27 [fuchs]
:)
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01:51:14 [yllona]
later folks...
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02:07:40 [johntramp]
hey why do some albums not bring up the green icon, instead have the words "open in tagger"
02:07:42 [johntramp]
http://musicbrainz.org/artist/e000d76b-afff-4286-a5fd-7ea6405cb80f.html
02:07:52 [johntramp]
because it doesn't work when they are like that for me
02:13:02 [Shepard]
not sure what you mean
02:13:10 [Shepard]
which tagger do you use?
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02:35:57 [Shepard]
well then not :P
02:35:59 [Shepard]
night
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03:01:18 [BGreeNZ]
ping
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03:14:20 [mustaqila]
pong
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03:17:31 [BGreeNZ]
Hello mustaqila!
03:17:36 [mustaqila]
Hi
03:18:12 [BGreeNZ]
I was starting to think my ping might timeout there ;-)
03:18:18 [mustaqila]
: P
03:20:45 [BGreeNZ]
Have you seen my work on http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/HowToMergeArtists ? I need some feedback on how to improve it
03:21:15 [BGreeNZ]
or, maybe, it's absolutely perfect and 100% complete ;)
03:22:08 [mustaqila]
Looks fine to me really
03:22:28 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila will look at in better depth at a later point in time, watching a DVD at the moment :)
03:24:45 [BGreeNZ]
Cool, thanks. What DVD are you watching?
03:25:17 [mustaqila]
Mägo de Oz - A Costa del Rock, it's a live concert heh
03:26:00 [mustaqila]
Looks like it needs addnig to MB too
03:36:41 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ wonders what happened to trying to make the longest topic line on Freenode
03:37:03 [mustaqila]
Isn't there a max topic length anyhow
03:46:37 [BGreeNZ]
Probably. Still, there was more stuff than just "http://musicbrainz.org/" there last time I was here. :)
03:46:46 [mustaqila]
True
03:48:39 [BGreeNZ]
Only reason I started writing HowTos was because the topic said so..
03:50:12 [mustaqila]
If topic said to go jump under a bus would you do it?!
03:50:12 [mustaqila]
: P
03:53:20 [BGreeNZ]
BGreeNZ has changed the topic to: http://musicbrainz.org/ | There are http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/HowTos that need writing and busses that need jumping under
03:54:58 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ watches as some gullable fool reads the topic and jumps under a bus
03:55:26 [mustaqila]
: P
03:55:44 [mustaqila]
Of this entire DVD I understood... about 5 words
03:56:01 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila watches it again : D
03:57:00 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ wonders why all of mustaqila's smilies have spaces where their noses should be
03:57:07 [mustaqila]
·········
03:57:13 [mustaqila]
There, noses to make up for them
03:57:44 [fuchs]
hihi
03:58:02 [BGreeNZ]
No fair. I can't type middle-dots on my keyboard :(
03:58:10 [mustaqila]
Which OS?
03:58:14 [BGreeNZ]
:'(
03:58:19 [fuchs]
:·)
03:58:22 [mustaqila]
:·)
03:58:32 [mustaqila]
*:'·(
03:58:47 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
03:58:47 [MBChatLogger]
windows == pure evil
03:58:47 [BGreeNZ]
Microsoft Windoze 98SE English
03:58:52 [fuchs]
thought that was altgr-. on every os, but didn't use another os for quite some time ;)
03:59:54 [mustaqila]
Not on Windows
04:00:09 [mustaqila]
Most Windows can muster is AltGr + a/e/i/o/u/4
04:00:11 [fuchs]
BGreeNZ: but compose-.-. works as well ;o)
04:00:26 [mustaqila]
That giving áéíóú€
04:01:04 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
04:01:04 [BGreeNZ]
Unfortunately, while using English versions of Microsoft's lame attempts at operating systems, I have grown used to both Alt keys being the same
04:01:58 [mustaqila]
AltGr = Alt + Ctrl on Shitdows
04:02:30 [BGreeNZ]
It's a bit of a PITA when I go to use Debian and the Right-Alt key doesn't behave the way my brain thinks it should :(
04:03:19 [fuchs]
^°o°^
04:03:45 [BGreeNZ]
mustaqila: Alt+Ctrl doesn't work either :(
04:04:01 [mustaqila]
Must be an XP thing
04:04:08 [fuchs]
i'm sure alt-f4 does
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04:04:33 [mustaqila]
You want Ctrl+Z
04:04:38 [mustaqila]
Or was it Alt+Z
04:04:47 [BGreeNZ]
fuchs: nice try.
04:05:17 [fuchs]
BGreeNZ: 5 years ago you could always see a handful of people quitting when saying something like this ;)
04:06:19 [fuchs]
the realy evil thing was telling a linux newbie to fix his system with rm -rf / though ;)
04:06:37 [BGreeNZ]
Heh. We put that up as a cheat-code for Windows Solitare in the school computer lab about then too ;-)
04:08:04 [BGreeNZ]
IIRC, the cheat code for Lemmings (yes, we had Lemmings installed on the school computers) was Ctrl-Alt-Delete
04:09:07 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila remembers the day of "hacking" the school network
04:09:23 [mustaqila]
We set up a new username and put Counterstrike on it, so we coul dhave LAN games during lunch
04:09:32 [mustaqila]
Then they "upgraded" to XP T_T
04:11:01 [BGreeNZ]
We played deathmatch DoomII and Descent. I would get sick of being blasted to pieces, though
04:11:30 [mustaqila]
Best game was "how to get aruond the internet filter and look at porn just to show that we can"
04:12:03 [mustaqila]
That game never got old, because everytime we'd get caught, we'd start a new game of it : P
04:12:09 [BGreeNZ]
I didn't have the ability to practise at home. For some reason, Doom and Descent wouldn't run on a '286 :(
04:13:32 [BGreeNZ]
I / we would spend most of our lunchtimes staring at a blue Turbo Pascal IDE, though ;-)
04:14:37 [mustaqila]
When the school clamped down on "computer abuse" at lunch times we spent the hour moping about corridors or being a general pain the arse to any staff heh
04:19:28 [BGreeNZ]
Ah, the good old days... :-)
04:21:43 [BGreeNZ]
Back when any half-decent program offered full keyboard access.
04:22:35 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ despises using the mouse when he *should* be able to accomplish the same thing faster with the keyboard
04:25:53 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ hates GUI programs that have no keyboard accelerators for their controls, ad-hoc (i.e. default) tab-order, or (worse) controls *missing* from the tab-order
04:26:47 [mustaqila]
I got awfuuly annoyed in ICT "lessons"
04:27:01 [mustaqila]
And the "to copy it select it, go to the Edit menu, and press Copy"
04:27:02 [BGreeNZ]
ICT?
04:27:05 [mustaqila]
Ctrl+C plz
04:27:15 [mustaqila]
Information and Communication Technologies
04:27:41 [mustaqila]
Just basic use of computers and implementation is a business situation
04:29:27 [BGreeNZ]
Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V are completely illogical with a dvorak keyboard layout :-(
04:29:53 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila licks Shift+Insert
04:30:11 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila wonders what's on his clipboard
04:30:54 [mustaqila]
Hmm, best no posted here
04:30:58 [mustaqila]
*not
04:31:08 [BGreeNZ]
I remember Alt-Backspace, Shift-Delete, Ctrl-Insert, and Shift-Insert
04:31:22 [mustaqila]
MBChatLogger: off
04:31:22 [MBChatLogger]
is not logging
04:31:34 [MBChatLogger]
is logging
04:32:07 [BGreeNZ]
They all still work, too!
04:32:25 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ <3 Windows 1.0 legacy
04:33:11 [BGreeNZ]
And MS-DOS 5 Editor, Turbo Pascal 6+, etc
04:36:43 [BGreeNZ]
IIRC, my first introduction to those legacy clipboard keys was <gags> QBasic and <chokes> Windows 3.0
04:37:12 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
04:37:12 [BGreeNZ]
oh, and <pukes> Microsoft Word for Windows 1.0 :)
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04:39:04 [BGreeNZ]
Imagine running *that* under Windows 3.0 (or 3.1) on a 16MHz '286 with 1MB RAM and a Stacker4'd 40MB hard disk ;-)
04:40:58 [BGreeNZ]
I think I went and installed every single font that comes with Windows '95 on it, too. Took about 5-10 minutes just to boot Windows into Program Manager, then about the same time again to load WinWord
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05:10:45 [BGreeNZ]
Damn, looks like I killed the chat :(
05:16:19 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila is playing RO... again
05:42:35 [HairMetalAddict]
* HairMetalAddict is playing "Save the World, Neuter a MySpacer"... again
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05:44:54 [mustaqila]
I did some profound thinking earlier whilst taking a piss
05:44:58 [mustaqila]
It seems makind is fucked
05:45:01 [mustaqila]
*mankind
05:45:20 [mustaqila]
The whole breeding and survival of fittest etc, well look at the chavs and emos multiplying like whoa
05:45:21 [mustaqila]
:/
05:45:48 [mustaqila]
In 15 years time the world will be overpopulated with vain teenagers out to get a shag amongst their illiterate peers
05:47:40 [HairMetalAddict]
There will be no new laws because these people wouldn't be able to actually write one.
05:48:07 [mustaqila]
The world will be reduced to MySpace Netiquette
05:48:16 [mustaqila]
"U dint add me bak!!"?!? I h8 no!"
05:52:06 [HairMetalAddict]
Mmm, lots of people destined to become professional... grocery baggers.
05:52:27 [mustaqila]
If even that
05:53:07 [HairMetalAddict]
(or some other job where the ability to write a complete sentence isn't required)
05:53:32 [HairMetalAddict]
"You must be a moron to think they are hardcore. When did hardcore cease to be punk rock? They are tech metal. And for those who called it grind, you are morons as well."
05:54:02 [HairMetalAddict]
Bonehead actually replied saying he didn't do anything wrong when I sent him a warning for putting that in a wiki.
05:54:12 [mustaqila]
"tech metal"
05:54:16 [mustaqila]
I hate that term
05:54:31 [mustaqila]
It's a lame excuse for "uncreative fuckwads that just mash random notes together and scream, then hope for the best"
05:55:03 [mustaqila]
Oh and also rely upon the unwavering sheep mentality of retarded 14 year olds who'll all flock to buy it because they saw it on MySpace
05:55:30 [HairMetalAddict]
I hate all these 50 million genres, so I have my own 3 classifications: "Hair Metal", "Not hair metal but okay", and "All that other crap"
05:56:00 [mustaqila]
"good" "shit" "tolerable" is how things work within my mind
05:57:09 [HairMetalAddict]
And conveniently, those are also proper artist descriptions for a wiki in the mind of a MySpacer! :-P
05:58:04 [mustaqila]
I know not to publicise those views in the wrong place though
05:58:42 [HairMetalAddict]
I know. It was just such an obvious joke, and being in my pre-coffee mode, I can only make obvious jokes. ;-)
05:59:20 [mustaqila]
Coffee, sustainer of life, humour and sanity
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06:26:27 [SenRepus]
Thanks for the add!
06:34:26 [SenRepus]
myspace isnt ALL bad
06:34:56 [mustaqila]
The majority is though
06:35:36 [SenRepus]
amidst all the peds, crappy bands, emo kids, and friend whores, theres a The Faint group.
06:37:42 [SenRepus]
through which i got ahold of a live DVD of them
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06:51:13 [BGreeNZ]
Has anyone had any luck getting Picard 0.6.0 working under Win98SE or WinME?
06:51:25 [SenRepus]
yea it works on ME
06:51:28 [SenRepus]
for ... me
06:53:06 [BGreeNZ]
TAGGER caused an invalid page fault in module MSVCR71.DLL at 0187:7c350513.
06:53:43 [BGreeNZ]
SenRepus: How long ago did you download it?
06:53:52 [SenRepus]
its actually not installed since i reformted
06:54:23 [SenRepus]
im pretty sure i got the same DLL error with the last version when i tried to install it shortly after my previous two reformats
06:54:34 [SenRepus]
i know it was MSVCR33.dll
06:54:40 [SenRepus]
## not 33
06:55:09 [SenRepus]
i talked with luks about it and he said he knew of no fix for it
06:55:26 [SenRepus]
eventually installing just worked for me... no apparent reason why
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06:56:25 [BGreeNZ]
Do you remember what version you were using?
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06:56:49 [SenRepus]
i think it was 5.0
06:56:57 [SenRepus]
and possibly the version before 5.0
06:57:06 [SenRepus]
i just installed and started 6.0 with no problems
06:57:11 [g0llum]
moin
06:57:25 [BGreeNZ]
You mean 0.5.0?
06:58:55 [BGreeNZ]
So you have just now downloaded, installed, and run Picard 0.6.0 with no problems?
06:59:05 [SenRepus]
sure
06:59:18 [SenRepus]
no i used an old isntall file
07:00:39 [SenRepus]
this was like 6 months ago, when i had that problem
07:00:45 [SenRepus]
i think
07:01:47 [SenRepus]
not to be rude but I have to get to bed here real quick
07:02:00 [SenRepus]
getting tired of goign to work dead ... tired...
07:02:19 [BGreeNZ]
What is the exact filesize of the installer you used? The one I have (which isn't working) is picard-setup-0.6.0.exe (4,865,461 bytes)
07:02:52 [SenRepus]
mines the same
07:03:20 [SenRepus]
created feb. 4th
07:03:29 [SenRepus]
i donno if thats when i downloaded it or when they made it
07:03:55 [SenRepus]
my other installer for 0.5.0 is from november
07:04:04 [SenRepus]
so i think thats too new for this problem
07:04:29 [BGreeNZ]
That'll be the date the file was created on your computer, so the date you downloaded it.
07:05:13 [BGreeNZ]
Mine was created (downloaded) 15 Feb, so they must be identical
07:07:20 [BGreeNZ]
SenRepus: Thanks for the help, I'll let you get to bed now.
07:08:20 [BGreeNZ]
One other thing, while I think about it, do you have any standalone versions of Python installed on your computer?
07:08:54 [SenRepus]
i only have windows ME
07:08:56 [BGreeNZ]
not that I expect it should make much difference, of course
07:09:04 [SenRepus]
er wait
07:09:13 [SenRepus]
python is programing not OS... uh no, heh
07:10:47 [SenRepus]
i honestly dont know what fixed the problem. its like updating a certain thing or installing something alters the DLL and makes the program run
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07:11:51 [BGreeNZ]
Oh well. Do you know anyone else I can ask about this problem?
07:12:39 [SenRepus]
well you can talk to luks but he plainly told me that he knew of no way to fix this, and from the way it sounded i dont think he thought there even was a way to fix it
07:13:07 [SenRepus]
did you recently install ME?
07:13:58 [SenRepus]
i honestly dont understand this: http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=+Cathedral&type=artist
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07:14:39 [BGreeNZ]
Neither do I :-)
07:15:36 [BGreeNZ]
What were you trying to find?
07:16:27 [SenRepus]
nothing :p
07:16:30 [SenRepus]
artists that need to be merged
07:17:26 [SenRepus]
i think all this search stuff has been brought up before so ill just drop it
07:18:52 [BGreeNZ]
Okay. Enjoy your sleep. ;-)
07:22:13 [SenRepus]
theres too many things id rather be doing for that to be possible
07:24:02 [BGreeNZ]
What? Sleep or enjoying it?
07:24:10 [SenRepus]
enjoy sleep
07:24:40 [BGreeNZ]
Okay then, *don't* enjoy your sleep :)
07:25:54 [SenRepus]
thanks!
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07:30:43 [SenRepus]
go here
07:30:44 [SenRepus]
everyone
07:30:45 [SenRepus]
http://www.donlafontaine.com/
07:30:47 [SenRepus]
click on enter
07:30:49 [SenRepus]
go to videos
07:30:56 [SenRepus]
watch video 4
07:31:27 [BGreeNZ]
What's that?
07:32:10 [SenRepus]
if youve ever seen a movie. ever. you will recognize the people in the videos
07:32:24 [SenRepus]
just watch it, its hilarious
07:32:25 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ will not watch it unless it is streamable at < 56Kbps, or it's really worth waiting for the download
07:33:12 [SenRepus]
im watching it twice
07:34:32 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ curses the New Zealand government for allowing Telecom New Zealand to retain their monopoly on the local-loop telephone network, thus keeping the cost of ADSL broadband high and under the control of an evil monopoly...
07:37:13 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ waits for the flash "website" to load
07:37:29 [SenRepus]
i thought it was funny at least
07:38:03 [SenRepus]
now i want to stay up and see if you think its funny >.<
07:38:51 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ stares at the Quicktime logo in the otherwise blank tab and window, and continues to wait...
07:40:56 [SenRepus]
does that mean its broke or slow?
07:41:12 [Muz]
The latte
07:41:12 [Muz]
r
07:41:27 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
07:41:27 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ dusts the cobwebs off Microsoft Internet Explorer 6, throws it at http://www.donlafontaine.com/, adds it to the Trusted Sites to enable ActiveHex, and continues to wait...
07:42:54 [SenRepus]
i didnt know it was going to be so much trouble :/
07:44:25 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ continues to wait while the Flash applet downloads over 2MB of goodness-knows-what
07:45:10 [BGreeNZ]
Wow! 27% complete! :)
07:45:35 [BGreeNZ]
37%
07:45:57 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ eats his ice-cream, while continuing to wait :)
07:46:07 [BGreeNZ]
44%
07:46:18 [Muz]
Ice cream :/
07:46:20 [Muz]
Bah
07:46:31 [BGreeNZ]
50%
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07:47:10 [BGreeNZ]
58%
07:47:41 [SenRepus]
i put high speed DSL just under electricty and above heat...
07:47:42 [BGreeNZ]
66%
07:48:01 [BGreeNZ]
:)
07:48:09 [BGreeNZ]
72%
07:48:17 [SenRepus]
* SenRepus wasnt joking
07:48:36 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ didn't think he was :)
07:48:44 [BGreeNZ]
80%
07:48:56 [SenRepus]
i donno how i conned my mom into getting my DSL inthe first place
07:49:06 [SenRepus]
but i havent had dial up in long enough to forget how slow it is
07:49:26 [Muz]
* Muz cringes
07:49:27 [SenRepus]
after all this work you will think the video is lame
07:49:31 [Muz]
Dial up :/
07:49:36 [BGreeNZ]
92%
07:49:48 [BGreeNZ]
95%
07:49:56 [BGreeNZ]
97%
07:50:06 [BGreeNZ]
99%
07:50:43 [SenRepus]
muz are you gonna watch it too or no?
07:50:45 [BGreeNZ]
Wow! All that just to hear some low quality, crappy music :)
07:50:53 [Muz]
Can't
07:51:04 [SenRepus]
wait that was only for the flash page!?
07:51:04 [Muz]
Well, not after extreme levels of effort
07:51:36 [BGreeNZ]
About to click on Video #4. Wish me luck...
07:52:00 [SenRepus]
:/ man im sorry for making you do this
07:53:35 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ waits while a QuickTime movie of undetermined size downloads
07:54:02 [SenRepus]
youre going to think its dumb and hate me for making you watch it
07:54:09 [Muz]
What isi t?
07:54:29 [SenRepus]
i cant say because it ruins it
07:54:39 [SenRepus]
its a video i thought was funny
07:54:48 [BGreeNZ]
SenRepus: You can probably understand why I hate Flash so-called-websites :)
07:55:40 [Muz]
Fair do;s
07:55:43 [BGreeNZ]
Wow! I can see the Quicktime progress bar beyond the position marker!
07:55:53 [SenRepus]
:/
07:56:24 [Muz]
* Muz goes back to not being able to sleep and playing RO really half arsedly
07:56:26 [SenRepus]
i have to be up in 5 hours
07:56:42 [SenRepus]
i do that with WoW too
07:56:55 [SenRepus]
play with one hand because im too sleepy to put the other one to the keybard
07:56:57 [Muz]
I can't sleep and I'm really really tired
07:56:58 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ eyeballs the Quicktime progress bar and guesstimates 20% complete
07:57:01 [nikki_]
* nikki_ blinks
07:57:07 [Muz]
Mornin'
07:57:18 [SenRepus]
morning nikki
07:57:25 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ blinks back
07:57:45 [Muz]
So rather than lay in bed I'll sit here lvling up falling asleep every other minute then waking up thanks to stupid gut pains
07:58:11 [SenRepus]
too much choco?
07:58:18 [Muz]
Nah
07:58:39 [SenRepus]
id blame caffine or meat, i havent had a stomach ache since i stopped having those two things
07:58:57 [Muz]
My mouth hurts a hell of a lot and thus eating is a nightmare atm, and for some reason I have really bad pains throughout my gut
07:59:10 [Muz]
Heh, it sure ain't meat, nor caffeine
07:59:11 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ eyeballs the Quicktime progress bar and guesstimates 25% complete
07:59:49 [Muz]
So it's basically inconvenience in my stomach, gut and mouth stopping me from sleeping :\
08:00:08 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ eyeballs the Quicktime progress bar and guesstimates 33% complete
08:00:44 [Muz]
Awwww puppies on TV : D
08:01:17 [SenRepus]
* SenRepus goes to look at the dread braid he thinks he just made
08:01:38 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ continues to eat his icecream, while waiting
08:01:40 [nikki_]
tiiiired
08:01:49 [Muz]
BGreeNZ, how much ice cream have you got?!
08:02:50 [BGreeNZ]
Muz: Just a platefull. Most of it has melted because I have been chatting instead of eating
08:03:01 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ eyeballs the Quicktime progress bar and guesstimates 45% complete
08:03:01 [Muz]
Ah I was going to say
08:03:17 [Muz]
either it's all liquidlike and you eat slowly, or you've got a hell of a lot
08:03:51 [BGreeNZ]
The hokey-pokey is still crunchy, though ;-)
08:04:12 [Muz]
Hmmm hokey-pokey is somewhat a national NZ thingy iirc
08:04:35 [BGreeNZ]
Oh, and I got handed a Luxury Flake, which didn't help either
08:04:54 [nikki_]
* nikki_ attempts ot stay awake
08:05:00 [Muz]
* Muz wishes he could eat
08:05:05 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ prefers chocolate ice-cream
08:05:15 [Muz]
Actually, I'd be happy being able to move my mouth and not suffer levels of pain :\
08:05:36 [Jetpack]
whats wrong with your mouth?
08:05:59 [Muz]
Ever since the anaesthesia from yesterday wore off it's been hurting a hell of a lot, which can't be good
08:06:11 [Muz]
I had dental work done yesterday
08:06:52 [Jetpack]
must have been quite serious if its still sore today
08:07:11 [Muz]
That or something's gone wrong :P
08:07:26 [SenRepus]
mouth pain is really irritating
08:07:33 [Muz]
Invariably
08:09:46 [nikki_]
* nikki_ knows how muz feels
08:09:55 [nikki_]
I spent friday in agony
08:10:01 [Muz]
What happened then?
08:10:22 [nikki_]
dentist
08:10:26 [Muz]
Eep
08:10:37 [Muz]
Being at the dentist was no walk in the park either
08:11:02 [Muz]
It wasn't the first time I'd had needles and stuff in my mouth, but for some reason nerves got the better of me and I trembling :\
08:11:10 [SenRepus]
i only had enough hair ties laying around to make 3 dread braids but they look badass
08:11:29 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ eyeballs the Quicktime progress bar and guesstimates 80% complete
08:11:43 [Muz]
* Muz can only find 3 hair ties, 1 on his wrist and two on his right speaker
08:11:55 [SenRepus]
i usually *like* needles but not in my mouth
08:12:12 [SenRepus]
(i usually like being poked, but not in my mouth, if you wanna make it sound dirty)
08:12:18 [Muz]
I don't mind them that much, and I don't know why I was so damned nervous
08:12:30 [Muz]
I've had it done before and I was more than comfortable with it heh
08:12:51 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ can only find one hairtie, and it's holding his ponytale in
08:13:15 [Muz]
* Muz dislikes tieing his hair back so rarely does it
08:13:38 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ sees flashes of light and hears loud music as the movie unexpectedly starts playing
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08:15:49 [SenRepus]
theres no chance you will think its funny after all this work
08:19:46 [Muz]
* Muz laughs at the firecracker on TV and the stupid kid moaning about the noise
08:20:02 [Muz]
You don't know noise until you have a fully automativ 7.62 firing next to your ear... with no ear protection
08:20:15 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ finishes watching the video, and blinks as he sets his monitor to 640x480 so he doesn't have to squint so much to see it
08:21:10 [SenRepus]
you thought it was stupid didnt you?
08:22:57 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ maximizes his IE and ChatZilla windows, to make them smaller
08:24:30 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ adjusts the refresh rate to something less -atros- -atrotiu- annoying than the default 60Hz
08:24:41 [Muz]
Atrocious?
08:24:50 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ starts playing the video again
08:24:59 [BGreeNZ]
Muz: Yes
08:25:15 [BGreeNZ]
What an atrocious word :)
08:25:20 [Muz]
Hah
08:25:52 [Muz]
I think my dad is going to kill me if I keep this up
08:25:56 [Muz]
* Muz turns the speakers down
08:26:04 [SenRepus]
then theres only one option muz
08:26:12 [Muz]
Kill him first?
08:26:13 [SenRepus]
kill or be killed!
08:26:22 [Muz]
One step ahead of ya ; )
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* BGreeNZ resets his monitor to 1024x768
08:32:33 [SenRepus]
sorry :/
08:34:57 [Muz]
iRivers are a pain in the arse
08:35:29 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ attempts to set his monitor to 1280x960, just for the hell of it.
08:35:41 [Muz]
I want to charge it via USB, but it's currently disabled so I can access the drive, so I turn it on and it turns itself off complaining about "low battery" thus I can't turn on the USB charging option `_¬
08:37:57 [SenRepus]
i tried to set my thing too high once and had to restart in safe mode
08:38:02 [SenRepus]
my moniter is now off and i am sleeping
08:38:12 [SenRepus]
im going to get less than 4 hours of sleep
08:38:14 [SenRepus]
i am a moron
08:38:22 [Muz]
Sleep well : 0
08:38:23 [BGreeNZ]
Wow, 1280x960 looks *tiny* on a 17" monitor. Reminds me of the time I drove a 12" IBM PS/2 SVGA monitor to 1024x768
08:38:24 [Muz]
*: )
08:38:53 [Muz]
My laptop's a 15" and it runs 1400x1050 fine
08:38:54 [nikki_]
I used to use 1280x1024 on a 15" monitor...
08:39:19 [Muz]
In fact, it looks stupid if it's not 1400x1050 to me
08:39:45 [nikki_]
it will do if that's its proper resolution
08:40:16 [Muz]
Nah, all monitors look... "wrong" to me if it's not 1400x1050
08:40:47 [Muz]
It's like my inability to use a normal keyboard sufficiently, I'm too adjusted to my laptop's flat smooth keys and lack of spacing and numpad
08:40:56 [BGreeNZ]
Muz: 1400x1050 is not a standard resolution
08:41:03 [Muz]
screen[1400x1050 32bit 60Hz]
08:41:05 [Muz]
Heh
08:41:48 [Muz]
This video card does go up to 2048x1536...
08:42:02 [BGreeNZ]
Is your laptop's LCD a standard 4:3 aspect ratio?
08:42:10 [Muz]
Nae
08:43:17 [juhae]
BGreeNZ: I've been using 1280x960 on a 17" for years and everything else looks now *huge* ;)
08:44:04 [Muz]
* Muz goes to get more ribena and a straw... :/
08:44:32 [BGreeNZ]
Muz: So, a standard 4:3 mode such as 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1152x864, or 1280x960 looks stretched (non-square pixels)?
08:46:22 [BGreeNZ]
That 12" PS/2 display always displayed things with a 1" black border, so the actual image was 10" diagonally.
08:46:40 [Muz]
Everything else just looks... wrong
08:46:56 [Muz]
I can't place my finger on it, but I look at it and just don't like it
08:47:01 [BGreeNZ]
That's 8" horizontally, so 1024x768 is 128 dpi!
08:49:15 [BGreeNZ]
Refresh rate in that mode on that antiquated piece of equipment was 43Hz interlace, of course, so guaranteed to knacker your eyesight in 10 minutes ;-)
08:50:48 [BGreeNZ]
IIRC, it wouldn't display 800x600 properly (probably needed a 56Hz refresh rate), so I ran it at 640x480 most of the time
08:51:23 [BGreeNZ]
320x200 (ugh) didn't actually look bad on that beast....
08:52:06 [BGreeNZ]
320 pixels / 8 inches = a quite respectable 40dpi :)
08:52:09 [Muz]
Errrr
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08:52:20 [Muz]
My PDA is 240x320
08:52:47 [BGreeNZ]
3:4 portrait?
08:52:54 [Muz]
Yeah
08:53:07 [Muz]
I can hold it horizontally though and view movies/play games that way round : P
08:55:09 [BGreeNZ]
Muz: You run 1400x1050 on a standard 4:3 monitor?
08:55:27 [Muz]
No, on my laptop's "widescreen" monitor
08:55:36 [Muz]
My other monitor uses a...
08:55:38 [Muz]
* Muz checks
08:55:57 [Muz]
* Muz starts up XFree
08:56:16 [BGreeNZ]
Ah. It's just you said all monitors looked weird when *not* set to 1400x1050
08:56:20 [Muz]
Yeah they do
08:56:45 [Muz]
Even my Linux box's monitor looks funny to me :\
08:57:13 [Muz]
1280x1024
08:57:19 [BGreeNZ]
Hmm. 1400x1050 has an aspect ratio of 4:3. Interesting
08:57:58 [BGreeNZ]
1280x1024 is (unfortunately) *not* 4:3. 1280x960 is
08:58:48 [BGreeNZ]
1280 / 1024 = 1.25 = 5:4
09:01:10 [johntramp]
hey why do some albums not bring up the green icon, instead have the words "open in tagger"
09:01:11 [johntramp]
http://musicbrainz.org/artist/e000d76b-afff-4286-a5fd-7ea6405cb80f.html
09:01:11 [johntramp]
because it doesn't work when they are like that for me
09:04:13 [luks]
what browser? firefox?
09:04:25 [luks]
and if yes, with adblock?
09:04:27 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ doesn't know, as he can't even get Picard to run on his computer :(
09:04:28 [johntramp]
yes firefox
09:04:37 [luks]
http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/990
09:04:37 [johntramp]
and adblock
09:05:11 [johntramp]
luks, but it only happens sometimes
09:05:47 [luks]
i don't know, i always worked fine for me
09:06:00 [luks]
BGreeNZ: why?
09:07:13 [BGreeNZ]
Running Win98SE and WinME. After installing Picard 0.6.0, it crashes whenever I try to run it.
09:07:19 [Jetpack]
* Jetpack likes 1600 x 1200 since that what is his laptop's native resolution
09:07:47 [luks]
hm
09:07:51 [BGreeNZ]
TAGGER caused an invalid page fault in module MSVCR71.DLL at 0187:7c350513.
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09:08:55 [BGreeNZ]
I have Python 2.3.5 and Python 2.4.1 installed
09:09:59 [BGreeNZ]
IIRC, the ME computer has ActivePython 2.2 installed, but it's just been shutdown, so I can't check to be sure
09:10:18 [luks]
i had this problem on my win98 virtual pc box, but with the new version of libtunepimp it just disapeared
09:12:00 [BGreeNZ]
picard-setup-0.6.0.exe filesize is 4,865,461 bytes, create (download) date 15 Feb
09:13:33 [luks]
i'll try to install win98 somewhere later today
09:13:45 [luks]
debugging on win98 is no fun :/
09:18:04 [BGreeNZ]
Picard is written in Python, right?
09:18:25 [luks]
yes, but the core tagging functionality is in libtunepimp
09:18:30 [luks]
which is in c/c++
09:18:42 [luks]
and heavily multithreaded
09:21:20 [BGreeNZ]
Ah. So I can't just grab the source and run it :(
09:22:25 [BGreeNZ]
For some light entertainment, check out my somewhat humorous attempt to fix the problem myself:
09:22:45 [BGreeNZ]
http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/2006/2006-02/2006-02-15.html 06:20:25
09:23:27 [BGreeNZ]
Err, I mean 06:15:51
09:24:08 [luks]
i think this bug wouldn't be hard to fix, but first i would have to find it :)
09:24:27 [luks]
so i would need to install full devel environment on a win98 box
09:24:52 [luks]
and do some low-level debugging
09:26:33 [BGreeNZ]
Sorry, I can't help you there (unless, of course, someone is willing to port it to FreePascal ;-) )
09:26:50 [luks]
i think it calls some function that is not (properly) implemented in older versions of standard windows dlls
09:28:00 [luks]
something unicode related i guess
09:28:10 [BGreeNZ]
But, MSVCR71.DLL is provided *with* the Picard distribution
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09:29:15 [luks]
yeah, but msvcr71.dll depends on other libraries
09:29:30 [luks]
like kernel32.dll, user32.dll, etc.
09:30:22 [Muz]
"100 top websearches in 2005"
09:30:23 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ suddenly remembers he installed MSDependancyViewer when he was attempting to get Pysol to work with Python 2.4
09:30:29 [Muz]
number 1 will clearly be porn
09:32:33 [BGreeNZ]
luks: I am looking at the Dependency Walker for tagger.exe. Where should I look to find the error?
09:32:50 [luks]
no idea :)
09:35:01 [luks]
oh, i forgot... if you have python installed you can just grab python source codes, copy dlls from the installation and run it from the sources
09:35:06 [luks]
i know this worked for me
09:36:36 [BGreeNZ]
I just told Dependency Walker to profile tagger.exe. Do you want me to past the debugging log?
09:36:43 [BGreeNZ]
paste
09:36:48 [luks]
sure
09:36:56 [BGreeNZ]
I'll pm it to you
09:37:00 [luks]
ok
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oops
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09:41:01 [luks]
use pastebin.com :)
09:41:27 [BGreeNZ]
Okay, I'll try that. Did you get my last PM?
09:41:42 [luks]
GetProcAddress(0x1E000000 [PYTHON24.DLL], "PyErr_Format") called from "TAGGER.EXE" at address 0x00401A06 and returned 0x1E055EF0. was the last like
09:41:48 [luks]
line
09:42:59 [BGreeNZ]
http://pastebin.com/588546
09:43:16 [BGreeNZ]
It also seemed to look for APPHELP.DLL, USERENV.DLL, and UNICOWS.DLL, but could not find them
09:43:39 [luks]
hmm, it looked for unicows
09:44:34 [BGreeNZ]
* BGreeNZ didn't realize that debug log was so huge! :-O
09:44:51 [BGreeNZ]
No wonder I got kicked off freenode :)
09:45:53 [luks]
and i think there is still something missing :)
09:46:06 [BGreeNZ]
Looks like PasteBin still didn't get all of it :(
09:46:08 [luks]
last line is "GetProcAddress(0x02160000 [LIBMUSICBRAINZ." :)
09:47:15 [BGreeNZ]
How much of this stuff is actually relevant?
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09:49:54 [johntramp]
hey with picard how come when it doesn't auto cluster the files into albums I have to drag the files one by one into it's album?
09:50:12 [johntramp]
it would be much easier if I could select them all at once and drag them in together
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09:52:31 [johntramp]
also when I click lookup in picard it will open 2 tabs in firefox of the same web pate
09:52:35 [johntramp]
page**
09:55:25 [BGreeNZ]
luks: I have the debug log saved in a 162KB HTML file with the original formatting and colour-coding
09:56:35 [BGreeNZ]
Where can I upload it?
09:56:40 [luks]
these dependencies are actually not very useful for catching that bug
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09:57:06 [luks]
you can email me it
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deadchip is now known as dc|away
09:59:43 [luks]
* luks is glad his uni is in MDSN AA
09:59:50 [luks]
MSDN
10:00:21 [luks]
i can download any MS operating system i need for testing
10:02:11 [BGreeNZ]
Legally? That's pretty cool (pity their OS'es went from crap to worse after Win95)
10:02:31 [luks]
yes legally
10:02:46 [luks]
but of course with restricted use
10:04:55 [luks]
* luks disagrees with that "crap to worse" comment :)
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10:05:26 [luks]
i switched to winxp from linux
10:07:23 [Muz]
98 > 95
10:07:57 [BGreeNZ]
I have copied and pasted all of the red error messages to http://pastebin.com/588563
10:09:44 [luks]
hmm, access violation
10:11:10 [BGreeNZ]
luks: Well, Win95 was okay, Win98 was crap, Win98SE is better, WinME is worse, and WinXP, well, http://www.grc.com/dos/intro.htm
10:13:29 [luks]
win95 was not okay
10:13:36 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
10:13:36 [BGreeNZ]
Fortunately, it seems Microsoft have finally come to their senses, but reading http://www.grc.com/dos/xplaughter.htm will absolutely scare you
10:14:38 [BGreeNZ]
luks: I think I only had experience with Win95B
10:15:44 [luks]
programming on win9x systems was fun
10:15:56 [luks]
one little mistake and whole system was down :)
10:17:26 [BGreeNZ]
Windows '95 <n> 32-bit extensions to a 16-bit shell of an 8-bit operating system originally written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1-bit of competition :)
10:19:21 [BGreeNZ]
luks: I liked messing around with interrupts in TP6 and forgetting to acknowledge the interrupt controller better ;-)
10:20:32 [BGreeNZ]
Especially when my programs would crash while leaving their keyboard and other interrupt handlers hooked. Oh, the fun :)
10:21:34 [BGreeNZ]
I quickly learned the value of hitting F2 (Save) before running the program ;-)
10:21:46 [luks]
hehe
10:22:49 [BGreeNZ]
Any closer to finding the source (pun intended) of the crash?
10:24:32 [luks]
nope, i need to download win98 first
10:25:14 [luks]
what version of python do you have installed?
10:25:22 [luks]
2.4.x?
10:26:28 [BGreeNZ]
2.3.5 and 2.4.1
10:27:10 [BGreeNZ]
But, Picard includes its own Python runtime, doesn't it?
10:27:12 [luks]
can you try to copy unicows.dll from python 2.4 to picard's directory?
10:27:18 [luks]
yes
10:28:38 [luks]
haha, i need a floppy image to install this win98
10:28:44 [luks]
it can't boot from cd
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10:36:16 [BGreeNZ_]
When I copied the latest version of UNICOWS.DLL I had (1.0.4018.0), Picard works
10:36:26 [luks]
perfect!
10:36:51 [luks]
now i have to check if i can redistribute it
10:37:08 [BGreeNZ_]
Okay, I'm off to bed now.
10:37:15 [luks]
night
10:37:23 [BGreeNZ_]
luks: or do without it? :)
10:37:29 [luks]
:)
10:38:11 [BGreeNZ_]
Thanks for allowing me to be of assistance
10:40:18 [luks]
i like it when i do nothing and people thank me :)
10:40:45 [luks]
no, seriously, thanks for playing with it. this will help a lot of other win9x/me users
10:41:13 [BGreeNZ_]
What do you mean, you did nothing? You read my debug log and told me which DLL was missing :)
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11:57:13 [g0llum]
help topic
11:57:26 [g0llum]
uhm, that did not work :)
12:07:22 [inhouseuk]
the buses around here never run to time, therefore it is impossible to plan the jumping under them accurately :)
12:08:45 [inhouseuk]
inhouseuk has changed the topic to: http://musicbrainz.org/ | There are http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/HowTos that need writing and buses that need jumping under
12:25:43 [Shepard]
why?
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12:51:54 [HairMetalAddict]
we're != we'Re
12:52:04 [HairMetalAddict]
* HairMetalAddict slaps Guess Case around a bit with a wet poodle
12:56:22 [Mudcrow]
worse is it changes Dance to (dance)
12:59:32 [HairMetalAddict]
That wet poodle will teach it a lesson though. Not even Guess Case can withstand the stench of a wet poodle! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!
13:04:09 [SenRepus]
* SenRepus wishes nights were longer and cereal boxes were fuller
13:10:18 [g0llum]
Mudcrow: damnit, i thought i adjusted that.
13:10:38 [g0llum]
and the fixes for the We'Re thing are in CVS since 10pm yesterday CET
13:11:26 [Mudcrow]
and [untitled] is being changed to [Untitled]
13:12:09 [g0llum]
enter tickets :-)
13:12:14 [Mudcrow]
when did you fix the dance one? I think it was yesterday when it happened
13:12:24 [g0llum]
it's a rewrite of the routine, no wonder there are bugs
13:12:43 [g0llum]
the last server release, in january
13:12:49 [g0llum]
or whenever it was
13:16:54 [HairMetalAddict]
* HairMetalAddict obeys g0llum by playing: CRASHDÏET ~ Tikket [from "Rest in Sleaze" (2005)]
13:19:41 [inhouseuk]
g0llum: are you aware of this one - http://www.musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4392584 or do you want a ticket?
13:20:41 [g0llum]
grumble.
13:20:59 [g0llum]
same thing as (dance) huh? yes, i tend to forget things that are not in trac. plz
13:21:26 [Mudcrow]
added tickets for dance & untitled
13:21:50 [inhouseuk]
okay, I'll add a ticket for it in a little while
13:39:36 [g0llum]
thanks
13:40:50 [g0llum]
please help me for a second. am i off the mark in the mailing lists? i'm not sure if i'm one of them who i accused of heating up discussions too much. am i too emotional, what do you think?
13:42:10 [WolfsongOpera]
i'd say there were several but i don't know where it started
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13:44:07 [g0llum]
what do you think about the boxset thread? Don has called me proposition insane <-- O.o
13:44:13 [g0llum]
s/me/my
13:46:14 [WolfsongOpera]
i'm on the side of add each instance
13:46:37 [WolfsongOpera]
if we don't they'll only get added back in anyway
13:47:14 [WolfsongOpera]
and when we get to the nextgen the data will seemingly be useful
13:54:37 [g0llum]
* g0llum too.
13:54:54 [g0llum]
i think i need a break from this [sigh]
13:56:38 [Shepard]
I did not read it but I'm with you
13:57:27 [Shepard]
same for albums that get released under a slightly different title probably :o
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13:57:42 [Mudcrow]
I agree with adding both albums
13:59:39 [WolfsongOpera]
i do believe merges should be done on releases that can not clearly be distinguished from each other so it's really up to the person entereing to justify it
14:00:17 [WolfsongOpera]
i also think we should revisit the "no extra information"
14:00:32 [Shepard]
g0llum: and once we get there we can also add album edition titles ;)
14:00:36 [WolfsongOpera]
things like Special, Deluxe edition etc.
14:00:41 [Shepard]
heh
14:00:43 [g0llum]
it boils down to this: we are quite a good freedb replacement, but a lousy discography provider. where do we want to go?
14:00:51 [g0llum]
yes. as i wrote in the mail before
14:02:27 [WolfsongOpera]
the information should at least be stored somewhere until the schema supports it and i don't think throwing everything in the annotaion is a good idea
14:02:42 [Shepard]
so I can finally do Apocalyptica - Cult (Special Edition) (bonus disc)
14:03:38 [WolfsongOpera]
maybe if we added annotaions as comments and maybe if we annotations were visible in certain places on the sight like during edits
14:03:54 [chocomo]
* chocomo rolls in
14:04:14 [g0llum]
i felt like don quixote for a moment, it's nice to get some support :)
14:04:28 [chocomo]
dakar g0
14:04:45 [WolfsongOpera]
i know what you mean
14:05:56 [Shepard]
at least you did not feel like don redman *giggles evily*
14:06:40 [WolfsongOpera]
i still can't believe all the hubbub that went into Kate Bush's Pi
14:07:10 [WolfsongOpera]
and then we have the whole Japanese thingy
14:07:44 [Shepard]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/VirtualDuplicateAlbum :)
14:09:07 [g0llum]
VirtualDuplicateArguments :P
14:09:14 [WolfsongOpera]
hmmm i need to update that
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14:10:07 [Shepard]
djkc said there are like hundreds of them
14:10:25 [WolfsongOpera]
is there an easy to find all the pages you've subscribed to?
14:10:58 [WolfsongOpera]
i know there's one for Prince's Lovesexy that's a good example
14:11:29 [WolfsongOpera]
it technically only has one track but there's a split version in the db
14:11:39 [WolfsongOpera]
i'll add it when i get to work
14:12:20 [Shepard]
subscribed pages in the wiki? they are in the user preferences
14:12:21 [WolfsongOpera]
off to shower
14:12:47 [Shepard]
but you must know that since you are subscribed to some wildcard expressions :)
14:12:53 [WolfsongOpera]
yes but it would be nice if they were links
14:13:24 [WolfsongOpera]
no i'm subscribed to some categories
14:15:05 [Shepard]
ah
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14:23:54 [chocomo]
* chocomo giggles at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/LinkingDifferentArtistNames
14:24:17 [Shepard]
why?
14:24:26 [chocomo]
heh read at the bottom
14:24:56 [Shepard]
jup
14:25:00 [Shepard]
you da man
14:25:06 [chocomo]
:]
14:26:46 [chocomo]
hmm the guess case buttons have moved for mthe right to under. it's un used to
14:27:02 [chocomo]
* chocomo wants them back :/
14:27:54 [g0llum]
screenshot?
14:28:17 [chocomo]
just a sec
14:30:31 [Mudcrow]
is there a proposal for an AR link for xx bands also uses xx name?
14:31:06 [Shepard]
g0llum: should http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/GuessCaseMode/DefaultMode also say that it implements RemixStyle and such?
14:31:18 [Shepard]
or does StyleGuideline include that?
14:32:49 [chocomo]
g0llum: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/nasasie/hmmguesscase.gif
14:33:15 [Shepard]
:O
14:34:52 [Shepard]
I love the "Please enter a moderation note here. Thank you" btw
14:35:01 [Shepard]
also the tooltip
14:35:06 [chocomo]
* chocomo wishes it wasn't there :/
14:35:27 [chocomo]
I get distracted enough by myself, thnak you :)
14:36:41 [Shepard]
Mudcrow: no
14:36:56 [chocomo]
there should be, we need it still
14:37:02 [Shepard]
link by annotations and band members
14:38:17 [Mudcrow]
why not? Lots of bands do it, like the Die Toten Hosen example you used, and linking via band members is a pain, especially for bands like Spizz who changed their name every release
14:38:59 [chocomo]
if its a new band then via members of, but for one of 'performs as' types like die toten hosen a 'perfomers as' would be better
14:40:03 [Shepard]
I did not say no, we should not have that
14:40:10 [Shepard]
I said, no there is non :)
14:40:13 [chocomo]
sorry, then :)
14:40:13 [Shepard]
+e
14:40:27 [Shepard]
that was to mud
14:40:29 [Shepard]
:p
14:40:33 [Mudcrow]
:)
14:40:36 [chocomo]
well I said sorry to you :)
14:41:03 [Shepard]
sorry you had to say sorry :)
14:41:09 [chocomo]
s'ok
14:41:16 [Shepard]
*confusing mo*
14:41:25 [chocomo]
not really
14:41:28 [Shepard]
damn
14:42:00 [Shepard]
Mudcrow: also you have to differentiate cases
14:42:06 [Shepard]
sometimes bands use an alias
14:42:10 [Shepard]
sometimes they rename
14:42:15 [Shepard]
it's like with persons
14:42:15 [g0llum]
chocomo: that's weird.
14:42:22 [chocomo]
i know
14:42:25 [g0llum]
what screen resolution do you have that they are shifted to the next line?
14:42:33 [Shepard]
sometimes during the rename they change the line-up, then it's simply a new band
14:43:01 [Shepard]
or only a part of the band performs under an alias, or the band together with others. then it's also a new band
14:43:20 [chocomo]
there is some oddity with the widening and shortening of fields during tracks edition too. the little wrench moves, but the tracktimeboxes do not
14:43:56 [chocomo]
just my regular 1024 x 768
14:44:02 [Mudcrow]
yeah, a different line up should be a sperate band, with AR links via members. Gaye Bykers on Acid used the name Lesbian Dykes on Mopeds so they could be paid twice at gigs by playing twice, exactly the same members in each band
14:44:28 [Shepard]
lol
14:45:03 [chocomo]
if I use the resize fildes optiosn I can fix it, but its behaves weird, it goes on the newline waay before it should need to
14:45:09 [Shepard]
Tanzwut for example is some members of Corvus Corax
14:45:19 [g0llum]
Shepard: i'd very much like if someone jumped into documenting some more GC stuff
14:45:22 [chocomo]
corvus corax :o
14:45:25 [chocomo]
raven!
14:46:11 [g0llum]
mo, enter this as an RFE, then i'll look into what could cause that.
14:46:17 [chocomo]
ok
14:46:21 [Shepard]
*sigh* developers... they code everything but they document nothing :)
14:46:32 [g0llum]
i'm busy enough fixing bugs on GC ;)
14:46:34 [chocomo]
should I put a link to that image i nit?
14:46:39 [g0llum]
yep
14:46:42 [chocomo]
ok
14:47:20 [Shepard]
g0llum: so you call this EditSuite now?
14:47:25 [g0llum]
yup
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14:47:52 [chocomo]
I like it on album edital, but its a bit hassle-y on just 'edit track'
14:48:00 [g0llum]
i'm heading home, i'll read the chatlogs and rejoin soon.
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14:48:11 [Shepard]
*linking that in HowTo*
14:48:22 [donredman]
oh, that was one of the people I wanted to chat to
14:48:28 [donredman]
hi everybody
14:48:34 [chocomo]
hi don
14:48:47 [Shepard]
hi
14:48:52 [donredman]
hmm, luks isn't here either :-(
14:48:58 [chocomo]
jo da
14:49:01 [chocomo]
he's just hiding
14:49:02 [chocomo]
:p
14:49:25 [donredman]
grrr WikiDocs caching is broken
14:49:31 [chocomo]
:(
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14:50:44 [chocomo]
bwahaha
14:50:51 [luks]
donredman: i think the wikidocs cache is updated once per hour
14:51:25 [luks]
that's why pages like HowToTagFilesWithPicard or CodeOfConduct work now
14:51:40 [donredman]
yes, seems so. I have added a new rev to HowToTagFilesWithPicard and it still shows rev 4
14:51:56 [donredman]
it should show 5
14:53:22 [donredman]
not much to do now
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* g0llum is back
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15:18:21 [chocomo]
hi g0llum
15:18:33 [g0llum]
moin donredman
15:18:36 [donredman]
hi g0llum
15:18:39 [g0llum]
hello mo :-)
15:18:46 [donredman]
* donredman is just composing a reply
15:18:56 [donredman]
I think we misunderstood each other
15:19:08 [donredman]
and I never wanted to offend you, sorry for that
15:19:14 [fuchs]
oh don composing, who'll be the conductor?
15:19:26 [chocomo]
eeeeek
15:19:34 [g0llum]
i know, and thanks
15:19:38 [chocomo]
the images showed up directly IN the ticed
15:19:53 [donredman]
fuchs: my instrument is Opera M2, I want this added to the list NOW ;-)
15:19:57 [chocomo]
http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/1132
15:20:14 [fuchs]
*g*
15:20:19 [chocomo]
don: opera's mailing client?
15:20:20 [g0llum]
donredman: http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/2006/2006-03/2006-03-07.html#T13-40-50
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15:22:56 [chocomo]
luks:
15:22:58 [chocomo]
hi
15:23:41 [luks]
hi
15:24:40 [chocomo]
luks: do you know of a way to query the db for a spesific Ar instrument attribute? there are some obsolete headers that I can't remove on test
15:24:41 [luks]
* luks goes to (finally) add a few AR types :]
15:25:01 [luks]
i can do it on my local db only
15:25:24 [chocomo]
I want to find those on live and change them so I can remove those obsolete typers when I fix on live
15:25:32 [chocomo]
ok your local copy should be good enough
15:25:43 [chocomo]
how old is the replicatdd?
15:25:57 [luks]
the replication works hourly
15:26:06 [chocomo]
then it definitly should be fine
15:26:14 [chocomo]
if you can I'd be happy
15:26:15 [chocomo]
ok
15:26:19 [donredman]
g0llum: sent
15:26:23 [luks]
yes, but not now :)
15:26:47 [chocomo]
ok, I need to find all obsolete types still being used anyway so
15:35:07 [g0llum]
inhouseuk: in?
15:35:19 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk nofs
15:35:27 [inhouseuk]
nods
15:35:58 [g0llum]
:)
15:36:30 [g0llum]
is this the behaviour you'd expect: "Some Track Live" -> "Some Track Live" , but "Some Track Live Version" -> "Some Track (live version)"
15:36:42 [chocomo]
yes
15:36:45 [g0llum]
regardless that "live version" should omit the version ;)
15:37:04 [luks]
yay http://musicbrainz.org/showrel.html?id=80883&type=album :)
15:37:10 [luks]
and now some wiki work :)
15:37:17 [g0llum]
so GC will never try to put Live at the end of the track as (live) even if it were the case
15:37:38 [chocomo]
yes \o/
15:38:02 [inhouseuk]
g0llum: excellent
15:38:05 [g0llum]
same for dance: "Test Dance" -> "Test Dance" and "Test Dance Mix" -> "Test (dance mix)"
15:38:15 [chocomo]
yes imho
15:38:18 [chocomo]
luks: neat!
15:38:19 [g0llum]
good
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15:42:20 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk relaxes to: Then I Close My Eyes from On an Island by David Gilmour
15:43:23 [inhouseuk]
I can definately recommend this album to Pink Floyd fans
15:44:34 [Mudcrow]
http://s95057110.onlinehome.us/kilowattsandvanek/_media/lies_promo/lies_promo.htm is a very nice song
15:48:01 [Shepard]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4394485 opinions?
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15:50:42 [chocomo]
hmm
15:50:51 [chocomo]
I don't know.. its in the linernote
15:51:02 [chocomo]
* chocomo has seen liners like that too
15:51:39 [chocomo]
I..
15:51:48 [chocomo]
I'd like it in, but I'm agasint it :s
15:52:11 [chocomo]
* chocomo shepard sucseeded in making mo confused
15:52:17 [Shepard]
yay
15:52:25 [Shepard]
I only see the analogy to http://www.musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=2992630
15:52:33 [luks]
donredman_: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/HowToTagFilesWithPicard <- a new bug?
15:52:38 [Shepard]
but as I said, I gave up on having opinions :)
15:52:45 [luks]
"This page has been copied from our Wiki.The content is not official but probably correct and hopefully informative."
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15:54:01 [chocomo]
ew I don't like the privkly border thing
15:54:05 [chocomo]
prickly
15:54:13 [luks]
it shouldn't be there
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15:54:30 [chocomo]
and also there are not enough spaces
15:54:52 [luks]
it should look like http://musicbrainz.org/doc/AlbumLanguage for example
15:54:59 [chocomo]
each tool tip looks lie kits a caption of the picture before
15:55:23 [luks]
wikidocs seem to be a bit buggy :/
15:55:27 [chocomo]
:)
15:55:31 [chocomo]
:( even
15:55:34 [Shepard]
MaintainedByLuks hehehe
15:55:40 [chocomo]
lol
15:55:47 [donredman]
I don't get it
15:56:11 [luks]
donredman: why is that MaintainedByABC important?
15:56:33 [luks]
i'd personally remove it :)
15:56:54 [donredman]
you can remove it if you want.
15:57:26 [donredman]
I just thought it might be a good idea to add this if you add a wiki docs page.
15:57:39 [donredman]
it is easy for pages to stall on WD.
15:58:08 [donredman]
* donredman tried to push some work in to Luks' shoes }:->
15:58:51 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk recently saw a program that credited: Bugs Coded by: ....
15:59:05 [donredman]
Actually I'd prefer if I could see who is subscribed to which wiki page
15:59:13 [Shepard]
indeed
15:59:47 [chocomo]
only you can see if you make a change to the page, then a message wih 'mail to [names]' sent'
16:01:00 [chocomo]
hrrr
16:01:09 [chocomo]
albumLanguage kutst of mid sentence
16:01:10 [chocomo]
"For example, a Japanese album with a mix of English and Japanese titles should"
16:01:13 [chocomo]
and then nothing
16:01:33 [donredman]
who moderates mb-style?
16:01:44 [chocomo]
hmm
16:01:47 [chocomo]
nobody
16:01:48 [inhouseuk]
nobody
16:01:54 [donredman]
I realize that my mail probably awaits moderation, since it has an attachement
16:02:10 [chocomo]
http://musicbrainz.org/doc/MusicBrainz also has an ugly border
16:02:32 [inhouseuk]
donredman: delete the message and resubmit
16:02:40 [Shepard]
who is that nobody you are talking about? I've never seen them
16:02:48 [donredman]
chocomo: everything is borked up
16:02:54 [chocomo]
* chocomo twaps shep
16:02:56 [chocomo]
:p
16:03:03 [chocomo]
don: seems so :(
16:03:18 [chocomo]
ruaok will be very unhappy :(
16:03:43 [donredman]
inhouseuk: how do I delete a message?
16:04:33 [inhouseuk]
donredman: it should have given you a link in the mail that notiifed you it was awaiting action from the moderator
16:05:26 [donredman]
I did not get such a mail (and I cannot remember I ever did). hmm, maybe it just hangs?
16:06:00 [inhouseuk]
the mailing lists are a little slow today
16:07:04 [donredman]
Well well. "Es gibt keine revolutinären NAchrichten. Revolutionär sind nur die Ereignisse, von denen sie berichten."
16:08:18 [Shepard]
what funny language are you speaking?
16:09:14 [donredman]
:-P
16:17:06 [luks]
eek! http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4395452
16:17:13 [luks]
discogs maniacs :p
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16:20:17 [chocomo]
WTF
16:20:21 [chocomo]
discogfreaks
16:22:14 [chocomo]
eek someoen is messign with Alice Cooper. mister hårmetall will not like it :/
16:22:33 [luks]
the cancel button on 'edit artist' page is confusing...
16:22:47 [chocomo]
hmm!
16:22:48 [chocomo]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4395455
16:24:47 [chocomo]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4395457
16:25:28 [luks]
this sidestepper is completely messed up at discogs
16:26:36 [chocomo]
:/
16:26:53 [Shepard]
Discogs = BigMess :)
16:26:56 [chocomo]
we're gettign to apoitn we're our info is better thna discogs, because we update it faster
16:27:16 [chocomo]
like 'oxford dictionary vs wikipedia
16:27:24 [chocomo]
notthat we're wikipedia or disogs is oxford
16:27:26 [nikki_]
* nikki_ steals shep's word and grmls
16:27:32 [chocomo]
hi nikki!
16:27:38 [chocomo]
i stole it first!
16:27:38 [luks]
http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?limit=1000&type=track&query=artist%3Asidestepper <- much much usefull lucene search
16:27:43 [luks]
i love it
16:27:56 [chocomo]
tell ruaok ^^
16:28:09 [Shepard]
once we have NGS, discogs can go home anyways (I said that)
16:28:15 [chocomo]
NGS?
16:28:23 [Shepard]
NextGene...bla
16:28:27 [chocomo]
oh
16:28:28 [chocomo]
yea
16:28:38 [chocomo]
but we laso nee a 'I won this release' type thing
16:28:38 [donredman]
NadelnderBambus
16:28:48 [chocomo]
NadeLnderBambus
16:28:52 [chocomo]
Inder?
16:29:01 [nikki_]
I always read it as nade inder bambus
16:29:06 [chocomo]
nikki: yes
16:29:08 [Shepard]
.oO( Kinder statt Inder )
16:29:13 [chocomo]
hæ?
16:29:18 [Shepard]
nothing :o
16:29:22 [donredman]
lol
16:29:28 [chocomo]
jo! si hva det betyr!
16:29:31 [donredman]
Nade in *dem* Bambus!
16:29:54 [Shepard]
what's a Nade though :)
16:29:55 [chocomo]
* chocomo wants http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PerformanceRestructuringProposal :)
16:30:09 [Shepard]
mo I'll update that soon :)
16:30:14 [chocomo]
\o/
16:33:59 [inhouseuk]
musicbrainz also covers a far wider range of musical styles than discogs
16:34:06 [chocomo]
ja
16:34:31 [Shepard]
discogs does not include pop music at all
16:34:40 [nikki_]
they include tatu...
16:34:46 [Muz]
Pop music is the diarrhea of the music industry
16:34:50 [chocomo]
or classical?
16:34:56 [Shepard]
but they'll describe it as something different :)
16:35:01 [luks]
hm, lucene doesn't ignore accents :(
16:35:03 [chocomo]
and their japanese is harly
16:35:08 [Mudcrow]
and it doesnt take musicbrainz 3 months to accept an release
16:35:21 [chocomo]
luks: I know i can't search for æøå and get expected results
16:35:33 [nikki_]
* nikki_ slaps muz with some jpop
16:35:42 [chocomo]
* chocomo listens to pomusic to irritate muz
16:35:44 [Muz]
Pop != jpop
16:35:45 [chocomo]
pomusic
16:35:51 [chocomo]
popmusic
16:35:53 [nikki_]
err
16:36:00 [Muz]
* Muz hides
16:36:01 [nikki_]
jpop is a subset of pop...
16:36:08 [chocomo]
jpop is *worse*
16:36:10 [chocomo]
:p
16:36:12 [nikki_]
nooo
16:36:15 [chocomo]
yay shiny happy pop
16:36:17 [Muz]
Nah, I still stand by my comment, pop is comparable to that
16:36:19 [chocomo]
yay yay!
16:36:21 [Shepard]
* Shepard gets the popcorn
16:36:33 [nikki_]
* nikki_ goes to the bank
16:36:40 [Muz]
* Muz goes back to bed
16:36:41 [Shepard]
what, no fights?
16:36:48 [Muz]
Errr
16:36:49 [chocomo]
nikki: I mean. *worse* in that its got *more of* what I "like" popmusic for
16:36:52 [chocomo]
cheese!
16:36:57 [Muz]
* Muz gives mo a stick to him whilst he sleeps
16:37:00 [Muz]
There's your fight
16:37:06 [chocomo]
oO
16:37:08 [chocomo]
hmm
16:37:13 [Muz]
Err
16:37:15 [Muz]
*poke him
16:37:16 [chocomo]
* chocomo desides not to fight with the stick
16:37:22 [chocomo]
yay a stick!
16:37:24 [chocomo]
muhahaha
16:37:28 [Shepard]
* Shepard is confused now
16:37:30 [chocomo]
* chocomo will do.. other things :)
16:37:52 [chocomo]
nikki!
16:37:57 [chocomo]
one thing before you go
16:38:48 [g0llum]
donredman: ok, i groked your point. what if you would put the graph onto a wiki page such that others could have a look too before we put on the oven again? :)
16:39:28 [donredman]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/DonRedman?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=NIN-Debate-Graph.png
16:39:47 [donredman]
but the mail still has not come around mb-style :-(
16:40:35 [Shepard]
<donredman> Actually I'd prefer if I could see who is subscribed to which wiki page <- just found that this is possible for single pages
16:41:57 [donredman]
Shepard: howP
16:42:01 [Shepard]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/WikiHome?action=info&general=1
16:42:03 [donredman]
s/p/?
16:42:33 [chocomo]
:O
16:42:41 [donredman]
cool
16:42:45 [chocomo]
yea!
16:43:06 [luks]
wtf? http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4374618
16:43:22 [chocomo]
hæ
16:43:23 [luks]
what do you think, may i vote down this?
16:43:36 [chocomo]
people cant be a member of people
16:43:46 [chocomo]
not only is that perverse its plain worng
16:44:00 [flamingcow]
yeah, stop naming your member
16:44:21 [g0llum]
ok, then we'll have to wait until the mail gets through.
16:44:38 [g0llum]
my idea is: keep a sensible mix of #1 and #3, until we can do #2
16:44:53 [chocomo]
huhuhu
16:44:55 [chocomo]
erh wait
16:44:58 [chocomo]
nevermind me
16:45:25 [g0llum]
and encourage users to AR the hell out of one of the releases, preferrably the first release, whichever it may be
16:46:16 [g0llum]
this is a direct link, btw: http://snipurl.com/na8e
16:46:56 [donredman]
so, I did not misunderstand you?
16:47:09 [Shepard]
oohhh AR view of albums now has the artist header included. how nice!
16:47:42 [fuchs]
oh, another thing i forgot to mention in the release notes ;)
16:47:57 [chocomo]
notmisunderstandingdonredman
16:48:00 [g0llum]
i think not. but i think adding releasedates from different releases of one album to one entry is gaga, too.
16:48:44 [Shepard]
* Shepard prefers to AR the hell out of every release. like http://musicbrainz.org/showrel.html?id=111766&type=album and http://musicbrainz.org/showrel.html?id=149583&type=album
16:48:46 [g0llum]
for instance, the Bruce Dickinson re-releases which all have a bonus disc, should be entered as 1) original release with that release date
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16:49:16 [g0llum]
2) same album, remastered with ltd. edtion date and (disc 1) 3) bonus disc as (disc 2) not (bonus disc)
16:49:17 [donredman]
We seem to disagree about what should be an album.
16:50:40 [g0llum]
it is not right IMO to break up a release into what was released before, and just enter the date to the original and enter another "orphaned" disc, the bonus disc.
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16:51:46 [chocomo]
flood eh?
16:52:08 [donredman]
but in all these examples the AlbumTitles as on the cover are the same. it is just the AlbumTitles passed through the style guidelines that are different
16:52:15 [donredman]
in this case this is the same album IMO
16:53:32 [donredman]
I am (as always) promoting that "the relationships are more important than the elements" and am therefore defining an album from what it can be related to in the schema. And from that perspective, it should be the same.
16:53:59 [donredman]
I am fine with adding a release sub tilte to the release entity or something like this
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16:54:38 [donredman]
but I am very opposed to #3 in my graph
16:56:38 [nikki_]
grrrrrrrr
16:57:17 [nikki_]
grrr.
16:57:29 [nikki_]
* nikki_ kicks things
16:57:37 [donredman]
whatsup?
16:57:57 [Shepard]
don: you were the one who proposed a schema with more replication and less using identical entities in multiple contexts :)
16:58:13 [nikki_]
my mum is irritating me
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16:58:56 [donredman]
oh but that's a big difference. There will be the Album and the Master to group things
16:59:08 [nikki_]
hi matthias!
16:59:20 [yalaforge]
hey
16:59:23 [donredman]
I am opposed to going this way *before* such grouping entities exist.
16:59:27 [donredman]
hi yalaforge1
16:59:40 [yalaforge]
hi don
17:03:51 [Shepard]
hi geordi :)
17:08:09 [g0llum]
once we have labels and catalog# (which will be soon) then we'll have to split releases that were released by other labels, else it makes no sense.
17:08:26 [Shepard]
soon?
17:08:37 [g0llum]
then we will be able to attach an image from a different amazon store, a different disocgs link, cat# label etc.
17:08:50 [g0llum]
but not ARs because they can't be added to multiple albums at once
17:08:57 [g0llum]
Shepard: oops ;)
17:09:05 [Shepard]
:O
17:09:19 [donredman]
g0llum: what we will have to do then is add a grouping entity.
17:09:20 [g0llum]
i was planning on starting with that once the current thingies are brought home
17:09:30 [Shepard]
don: agreed
17:09:32 [g0llum]
accordign to the plans on summit7, but still
17:09:37 [Shepard]
works not without it
17:10:00 [donredman]
Or you attach cat# etc to the releas object
17:10:10 [g0llum]
yep, why not. what's the difference of creating one or two advanced entities :)
17:10:21 [g0llum]
don't like overloading the release object
17:10:37 [Shepard]
weren't the planes to implement the artist bamboo first?
17:10:47 [Shepard]
-e
17:10:50 [g0llum]
no, reread the wiki page :)
17:11:08 [Shepard]
that was taken from my summit memory
17:11:57 [donredman]
it's not just adding an advanced entity. It's making the UI aware of it, grouping album listings and all that jazz.
17:12:05 [Shepard]
.oO( Search by Cat#.. wee! )
17:12:40 [g0llum]
jep, lets take on an assload of features at once. then we are back to implement NB :)
17:13:27 [donredman]
I have to start cooking now...
17:14:08 [Shepard]
lass es dir schmecken :)
17:14:23 [donredman]
dafür muss es erstmal gut werden :-)
17:14:25 [donredman]
bye
17:14:28 [g0llum]
bye!
17:14:29 [Shepard]
ciao
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17:14:43 [g0llum]
Shepard: gibt es special cases wie [untitled] auf album ebene, und wenn wo ist das im wiki?
17:15:01 [g0llum]
das ist ein ziemlicher bug [untitled] -> [Untitled]
17:15:09 [g0llum]
da kann ich gleich alles richtig tun diesmal
17:15:53 [Shepard]
nicht, dass ich wüsste. entweder ist es self-titled oder wir benutzen den namen unter dem fans es kennen
17:16:13 [g0llum]
gibt es nicht [untitled]?
17:16:25 [Shepard]
als albumname, nö
17:17:11 [Shepard]
mo? do you think there are albums called [untitled]?
17:18:59 [g0llum]
and for artists?
17:19:14 [Shepard]
untitled artists? :)
17:19:16 [g0llum]
in my notes, i had
17:19:18 [g0llum]
empty, unknown -> [unknown]
17:19:23 [g0llum]
none, no artist, not applicable, n/a -> [no artist]
17:19:27 [g0llum]
is this still correct?
17:19:39 [Shepard]
unsure about n/a
17:19:50 [Shepard]
i think that's unknown
17:20:50 [g0llum]
k
17:20:57 [g0llum]
dialogue?
17:21:44 [Shepard]
you mean if there are any other readings?
17:22:35 [Shepard]
I don't think we need an autocorrection for artists, that's what aliases are for
17:29:08 [g0llum]
chocomo: is this opera you used, when you got the field resize bug? please update the ticket accordingly
17:34:56 [chocomo]
yes
17:34:57 [chocomo]
ok
17:34:59 [chocomo]
I will
17:35:11 [chocomo]
sorry
17:36:10 [chocomo]
* chocomo sets os for safety's sake too
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17:55:05 [g0llum]
ok, these are all the things that need fixing for GC currently i hope.
17:55:35 [g0llum]
hope ruaok will update the server with these, soon.
18:20:04 [dseomn]
I have a cd that says "cd sampler not for sale"
18:20:13 [dseomn]
is it promo of compilation?
18:20:33 [dseomn]
it has 3 tracks from 2 albums, one of them unreleased when this cd was released
18:20:38 [dseomn]
s/of/or/
18:20:49 [HairMetalAddict]
promo
18:20:54 [yalaforge]
yup
18:20:55 [dseomn]
ok, thanks
18:21:13 [yalaforge]
compilation *and* promo
18:21:16 [flamingcow]
i always wondered whether those 'not for sale' lines were enforceable
18:21:52 [dseomn]
yalaforge: err, yeah, I'm bright
18:22:04 [yalaforge]
:-)
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19:05:25 [chocomo]
what'sa god word for 'I own this' ?
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19:07:51 [GURT]
"mine" ?
19:09:25 [chocomo]
yes. but I was looking for a wonky, possibly foreign word
19:12:59 [Muz]
Possess?
19:13:11 [`Spike]
?
19:13:21 [Muz]
The word mo may have wanted
19:13:22 [Muz]
* Muz shrugs
19:16:04 [chocomo]
naw I wanted wonk, thanks guys but i went with mr ownership deal.. silly :)
19:16:43 [chocomo]
* chocomo should have stated ' completly random and silly type text'
19:41:53 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. If you are running a Netgear model WGT624 (the white enclosure) and you would like to test their fix for the recent DCC exploit, the one that's probably knocking you offline when some childish person sends it to you, please send me your email address and I'll forward it to them. Thanks!
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[Global Notice] In the meantime, please remember, if you're getting hit, disconnect from freenode and reconnect to chat.freenode.net, port 8001. If you use port 8001, rather than port 6667, it should render the attack ineffective. Thanks!
19:45:17 [Mudcrow]
bog off lilo with your endless global notices
19:45:29 [chocomo]
Mudcrow: total agreement
19:46:18 [chocomo]
the only attac i'm getting is her with the loads of notices
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* chocomo hugs nikki
19:57:38 [chocomo]
takk!
20:08:25 [Muz]
Lilo = her?
20:08:27 [Muz]
Oooh
20:08:31 [Muz]
y h'lo thar!
20:08:40 [chocomo]
* chocomo just assumbedbecasue the name
20:08:43 [chocomo]
* chocomo is stupid
20:08:54 [chocomo]
dsunno, everythign about the mails seem female for some reason
20:09:15 [Shepard]
muz talking klingon?
20:09:16 [Muz]
that or it's a camp male
20:09:26 [Muz]
Shep, nah I'm talking "Retard"
20:09:26 [chocomo]
huhuuu
20:10:01 [chocomo]
and mo speaks a diverted version of 'Retard'
20:10:03 [chocomo]
'gay retard'
20:10:06 [chocomo]
:)~
20:10:30 [Muz]
* Muz runs off to nick some stamps from his mum
20:10:32 [Shepard]
must have missed something
20:10:40 [Shepard]
* Shepard shrugs
20:11:07 [Muz]
" y h'lo thar!" = "Why, hello there! ; )" in response to mo labelling Lilo as a lady
20:11:38 [chocomo]
"huhhu" as a responce to "Muz that or it's a camp male"
20:11:46 [Muz]
Hehehe
20:11:50 [chocomo]
huhuu
20:11:52 [Muz]
* Muz likes mailing envelopes
20:12:05 [chocomo]
huhuh envelopes
20:12:17 [Muz]
I have a strange temptation to put on it "Warning, highly explosive! Do not bend"
20:12:39 [Shepard]
o_O
20:12:49 [Muz]
That or "Do not open, Anthrax Within"
20:13:04 [Muz]
There actually is some Anthrax in here, metal band that is
20:13:12 [Shepard]
http://www.musicbrainz.org/artist/b616d6f0-ec1f-4c69-8a79-12a97ece7372.html ?
20:13:14 [Shepard]
heh
20:13:35 [chocomo]
whooo
20:14:41 [chocomo]
eeek somebody maid it so the amason asinz arent linkable i nthe mod!now how the hell am I suppose to check if its corrrect or not
20:14:53 [chocomo]
made, not maid
20:15:21 [Muz]
Hmmm maids
20:15:22 [Shepard]
jup and people complained already :)
20:15:30 [Muz]
* Muz runs to RO and pesters the Kafras
20:15:30 [chocomo]
good
20:15:32 [Shepard]
Hmm Iron Maiden
20:15:42 [chocomo]
ooh iron maiden
20:15:53 [luks]
i still keep clicking on "Use this artist in a relationship" & "Relate to URL" instead of just "Relate to URL" :/
20:15:58 [chocomo]
\m/ ._. \m/
20:16:14 [chocomo]
luks: yea so did someoen else said that
20:16:24 [chocomo]
force of habit and all
20:16:26 [Shepard]
g0llum :)
20:17:07 [chocomo]
* chocomo ordred a single for mamazon.co.jp
20:17:21 [Shepard]
:o
20:22:57 [chocomo]
yaay this was a cool idea
20:22:58 [chocomo]
http://www.last.fm/user/Nasasie/tags/mr%20ownership%20deal
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20:23:08 [chocomo]
everybody hide!
20:23:10 [chocomo]
flee flee1
20:23:15 [teleGUISE]
ha ha mo
20:23:20 [teleGUISE]
hey there all
20:23:59 [Shepard]
hi teleGUISE
20:24:17 [teleGUISE]
I checked the ticket log - so not to add fuel to a burning fire but the powers that be are aware that ar url links aren't clickable, correct?
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mo is that what you own?
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20:24:39 [chocomo]
ja!
20:24:42 [chocomo]
:D
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20:24:52 [Shepard]
coolio
20:24:52 [chocomo]
not all of it yetthough
20:24:56 [chocomo]
\o/
20:25:04 [chocomo]
* chocomo isadding
20:25:24 [teleGUISE]
ja, nein on discog ar's?
20:25:41 [chocomo]
and then I can listen to last.fm radio, no need to take the discs out of the cd's
20:25:49 [chocomo]
and no need to rip to files on hardrive
20:26:06 [Shepard]
well they don't have everything I own^^
20:26:13 [chocomo]
na me either
20:26:21 [chocomo]
and some of the versions are wrong
20:26:30 [chocomo]
but i'l just tag wth whatever seems logical
20:27:00 [teleGUISE]
anybody... somebody? don't want to bug fuc- h- s if he's aware already
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20:34:18 [Shepard]
someone pissed off?
20:34:23 [chocomo]
dunno
20:34:50 [chocomo]
that weirdo.. don't know whats on his mind half the time
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20:38:30 [chocomo]
heey
20:38:33 [chocomo]
you sneak
20:38:45 [djce]
moi?
20:38:50 [chocomo]
hahaha
20:41:56 [Shepard]
hi djce
20:44:02 [Mudcrow]
http://musicbrainz.org/album/1b8ecd6a-7bf4-4e4c-9cc2-cbfa7f9812cf.html do you think that counts as a tribute album? All the songs are about Chumbawamba (though not in a nice way)
20:45:40 [chocomo]
naw
20:45:50 [chocomo]
if its mocing.. its parody at best
20:46:21 [chocomo]
altought you could say the best .. is parody.. damn how does that go again+
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* chocomo groowes
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21:33:09 [inhouseuk]
grrr
21:33:48 [inhouseuk]
when a performer plays more than one instrument on a track, how do you add the additional instruments?
21:34:20 [luks]
the "Add another instrument" button? :)
21:34:37 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk can't see that button
21:34:46 [luks]
hm
21:34:47 [inhouseuk]
which is why I asked
21:35:21 [luks]
ah, broken AR type definition
21:35:29 [luks]
wait, no
21:35:33 [luks]
it's ok
21:36:24 [inhouseuk]
is it only shown when adding the first instrument or does it also show when editing it afterwards
21:37:42 [luks]
hmm
21:38:03 [luks]
g0llum!
21:38:21 [inhouseuk]
:)
21:39:20 [luks]
weird
21:39:37 [luks]
now i can't see it even when i'm adding a new AR
21:39:58 [inhouseuk]
exactly :(
21:40:09 [luks]
* luks goes to check CVS commits
21:40:15 [inhouseuk]
I thought I was going mad
21:45:30 [g0llum]
moin luks
21:45:35 [g0llum]
i think this is not a problem on my end
21:45:49 [g0llum]
the "add another vocal" button shows, but no on the instruments :)
21:45:57 [luks]
yep, i just noticed that
21:46:51 [luks]
in situations like this i wish mb_server was written in python
21:47:02 [luks]
perl is horrible to read
21:47:08 [g0llum]
indeed
21:47:31 [g0llum]
is it not a configuration issue of the instrument relationship type on the db
21:47:34 [g0llum]
it used to work
21:49:57 [luks]
* luks sighs
21:50:31 [luks]
today i added a new AR types that use instrument type
21:51:06 [luks]
but they use only one instrument
21:51:26 [luks]
and the code assumes that *all* AR types use only one instrument
21:51:58 [g0llum]
not as flexible as advertised :p
21:52:17 [g0llum]
funny we had not noticed that when we were working on APR
21:52:39 [luks]
* luks wonders who whote that code :)
21:52:43 [g0llum]
because we had an artist-artist relationship type "performs instrument in"
21:53:04 [g0llum]
but i guess it was not restricted to one
21:53:24 [luks]
i'm going to change the new AR types to use "0-" instead of "0-1"
21:53:33 [luks]
this should "fix" things for now
21:53:34 [g0llum]
yep
21:53:55 [inhouseuk]
thanks luks
21:54:14 [g0llum]
lazy solution=everybody happy
21:54:17 [g0llum]
why bother? :)
21:54:23 [luks]
:)
21:54:50 [g0llum]
now we should do the same for the stuff discussed the past few days on mb-style *evil grin*
21:56:48 [luks]
okay, done
21:56:51 [luks]
the button is there
21:59:01 [luks]
hm, this can't be easily fixed...
21:59:09 [luks]
it would need some JS functionality
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22:01:37 [g0llum]
just tell me what you need. i wanted to bring this module in line with the other code, anyway
22:02:13 [luks]
yes, that would be the best
22:02:25 [luks]
moving it completely on the javascript side
22:02:41 [luks]
s/on/to/ ?
22:02:49 [g0llum]
what exactly?
22:03:01 [luks]
the "Add another ..." button
22:03:17 [g0llum]
isn't it already?
22:04:53 [luks]
no, i mean displaying/hidding of the button
22:07:08 [luks]
but this is pretty low priority isssue, anyway :)
22:10:10 [inhouseuk]
luks: as you know what the issue is. Are you going to raise a ticket for it?
22:10:12 [inhouseuk]
Just so it doesn't get forgotten
22:10:24 [luks]
yep, just did it
22:10:35 [inhouseuk]
okay :)
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* luks should really turn off his last.fm plugin :]
22:33:18 [Shepard]
* Shepard looks
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omg
22:33:26 [luks]
nooo :)
22:33:27 [Shepard]
luks...
22:33:52 [Shepard]
shall I tell you how much the fish is?
22:34:17 [luks]
early scooter is not that bad
22:34:34 [Shepard]
hyper hyper? err... :P
22:35:33 [luks]
sometimes i listen to bravo hits just for that "retro" sound :)
22:36:18 [Shepard]
* Shepard has not yet ripped his old bravo hits
22:37:17 [johntramp]
hey when I get picard to lookup an album it opens the page twice in 2 tabs in firefox, has anyone come across this before?
22:37:45 [luks]
hmm, no
22:38:08 [luks]
at least i don't know of anyone
22:38:19 [Shepard]
did double click? :)
22:38:28 [johntramp]
:p no
22:38:44 [johntramp]
one will load and then about 3 seconds later the next one will open
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22:43:17 [Shepard]
hmm.. first I thought this one person had submitted his mail twice. but now it's three persons I see mails in the mailing list twice from
22:46:05 [fuchs]
Shepard: you should drink less, if you see everything twice
22:46:55 [Shepard]
wow fuchs, didn't know you had a twin
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23:01:59 [luks]
hmm, only 6246 open mods
23:02:23 [SenRepus]
with the new automodders and the approve mod it should go down a bit
23:09:38 [Jetpack]
12492 if you are shep
23:10:00 [fuchs]
;)
23:10:53 [SenRepus]
i dont get it
23:11:25 [fuchs]
SenRepus: read the log, just before you left
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23:14:11 [SenRepus]
DCed
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23:14:36 [SenRepus]
too lazy, dont worry about it
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23:19:14 [Shepard]
so many open mods :(
23:23:24 [fuchs]
luks: FYI, amarok now fully supports the composer tag ;)
23:24:11 [luks]
ooh
23:24:21 [luks]
probably the first player
23:24:33 [fuchs]
yup, hopefully others will follow
23:24:49 [luks]
hmm, actually foobar2k was the first i think
23:25:01 [fuchs]
it's not released yet, but the second beta is out
23:25:05 [fuchs]
foobar is a player?
23:25:10 [luks]
yes :)
23:25:18 [fuchs]
thought it was a tagger ;)
23:25:29 [Shepard]
foobar is pfui bah though :)
23:25:57 [luks]
yep, but has many cool features...
23:26:16 [fuchs]
question: is http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4397156 ok? (always a bit confused when it comes to classical music)
23:27:06 [luks]
*very* questionable ;)
23:27:14 [fuchs]
yeah, that's why i ask
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23:27:36 [fuchs]
never tried to touch it until someone added the release under tomita now :)
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