IRC log of musicbrainz on 2006-04-10

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00:00:03 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk normally clicks new buttons to find out what they do :)
00:00:03 [eMb]
eMb has quit
00:00:21 [inhouseuk]
even ones that say "Don't click here" :)
00:00:56 [sysrq]
well I've never noticed it was not greyed out
00:01:21 [sysrq]
so just ignored it
00:01:24 [teleGUISE]
Nyght: now your really in trouble if i find any of your -va- (especially) album adds don't have complete release info being promo's ;)
00:01:36 [Nyght]
Let me do an indepth search and show you what I came up with. The actual disc only has AP on the left side. No copyright date on the cover or the cd.
00:03:17 [teleGUISE]
iirc there was a way to cross reference the pressing number but i'm this was source out being indie to some pressing plant and wouldn't turn up anything
00:04:03 [teleGUISE]
but i'm sure this was sourced out
00:04:50 [teleGUISE]
although i think that would just turn up the record label and not the date anyhow
00:05:09 [catmo]
it's old now but http://musicbrainz.org/user/view.html?modname=mo
00:05:55 [teleGUISE]
catmo: you never answered my mem ?
00:06:01 [catmo]
hæ?
00:06:07 [catmo]
you never said anything in a pm?
00:06:21 [teleGUISE]
no pm just used your name i thought
00:06:25 [catmo]
oh
00:07:08 [catmo]
well I started that everest program.. and I was so spurised! just restartign uses up 214 of 215 avaialbe
00:07:11 [catmo]
or something like that
00:07:22 [catmo]
do you want me to do it now?
00:07:31 [teleGUISE]
thought now i can't even find it in the log ;) ... anyhway i just asked if you ever added more ram or found out what you use
00:07:33 [Nyght]
teleGUISE: do you know how much I already looked for this beast/>
00:07:55 [catmo]
no I was waitign for you to tell me how t o find out
00:08:09 [catmo]
I've opened the everest program. where do I go?
00:08:17 [Nyght]
:D Love it Mo~
00:08:24 [catmo]
eek its in norwegian too
00:08:31 [teleGUISE]
catmo: that was supposed to be Sen's job
00:08:33 [catmo]
what Nyght?
00:08:44 [catmo]
ntele: nuhuh, it was your job
00:08:50 [catmo]
so come on
00:08:52 [catmo]
help me
00:08:59 [catmo]
'main card' ?
00:09:01 [teleGUISE]
:) i just supply the proggie ... hang on
00:09:08 [catmo]
'memosry' ?
00:09:12 [catmo]
memory
00:09:18 [teleGUISE]
i forgot where it's at lemme run it
00:09:53 [teleGUISE]
did he send you everest?? or Aida?
00:09:58 [catmo]
everest
00:10:01 [teleGUISE]
errrr
00:10:32 [teleGUISE]
he has the full blown Aida...
00:10:40 [catmo]
well I like everest ok?
00:10:51 [catmo]
never mind that .help me with this
00:11:01 [teleGUISE]
well its similar anyway just not all the features
00:11:09 [Nyght]
alternate press compilation
00:11:11 [catmo]
its more tna I nead
00:12:16 [teleGUISE]
catmo whats it say under Motherboard under Computer Summary
00:12:26 [catmo]
erh.....
00:12:41 [teleGUISE]
should have System Memory .....
00:12:45 [catmo]
what number is mother borad for mthe top? 2?
00:13:11 [catmo]
well?
00:13:23 [catmo]
for mthe top
00:13:29 [catmo]
from the top
00:13:31 [catmo]
number?
00:13:57 [catmo]
hello?
00:14:04 [catmo]
I already said its in norwegian
00:14:11 [catmo]
I have hover kort and minne
00:14:16 [teleGUISE]
How bout the heading Motherboard..
00:14:16 [catmo]
hovedkort*
00:14:24 [catmo]
and multimedia nad ytelsetest
00:14:37 [teleGUISE]
and then look under the SPD sub-category
00:14:44 [catmo]
just answer me. yes or now 'is motherboard' number 2 for mthe top down
00:14:58 [teleGUISE]
y
00:15:00 [catmo]
ok
00:15:14 [teleGUISE]
spd should be 5 down under that
00:15:25 [catmo]
then the next yo uwanted me to look at is number what from top down (inside the 'hovedkort' tree)
00:15:28 [catmo]
oki!
00:15:44 [catmo]
spd does nothing
00:15:47 [catmo]
its all grey
00:15:52 [Nyght]
* Nyght growl
00:15:57 [catmo]
the thingy above it its called minne witch is memory
00:16:02 [teleGUISE]
err...darn that means it doesn't read it
00:16:24 [teleGUISE]
memory probably will just show you how much you have but not what type it is.. you can click it and see
00:16:26 [catmo]
it says RAM sokler 2 DIMM
00:16:58 [catmo]
total: 126 used: 125
00:16:59 [catmo]
:/
00:17:47 [teleGUISE]
what about the 6th one down - Chipset
00:17:57 [catmo]
lots of interesting thinhs...
00:18:07 [teleGUISE]
it should have something that says Memory Slots
00:18:27 [teleGUISE]
SDRAM Slot #1 , SDRAM Slot #2 ??
00:18:33 [catmo]
northside: intel whitney i810E southside: Intel 82801BA ICH2
00:18:42 [catmo]
lemme see
00:18:56 [catmo]
minne sokler.. oki
00:19:08 [catmo]
it says 128 mb (SDRAM)
00:19:14 [teleGUISE]
hmm it is intel which means it could be ECC memory... that's what I really want to know.. Cuz if it is.. I can't help you i dont have -any- ECC memory left
00:19:30 [Nyght]
http://altpress.com/search/
00:20:13 [teleGUISE]
ill jot down your chipset info and look it up in a bit..
00:20:16 [catmo]
package type: 421 Pin BGA
00:20:20 [catmo]
don't see ECC anywhere
00:21:00 [catmo]
soutside: package type: 360 Pin EBGA
00:21:26 [Nyght]
I'm emailing them teleGUISE
00:22:02 [catmo]
B00 D00 F00: Intel 82810E GMCH - DRAM Controller
00:22:12 [catmo]
B00 D01 F00: Intel 82810E GMCH - Graphics Controller
00:22:20 [catmo]
B00 D1E F00: Intel 82801BA I/O Controller Hub 2 (ICH2) [B-5]
00:22:25 [teleGUISE]
catmo: what type of motherboard is it?? 3rd one down under motherboard
00:22:46 [catmo]
Hovedkort ID06/18/2002-I810E2-TUWE-M
00:22:53 [teleGUISE]
it might say under that
00:22:56 [catmo]
HovedkortAsus TUWE-M
00:23:13 [teleGUISE]
anything under Memory Bus Properties
00:23:29 [catmo]
uhm.. where is that
00:23:40 [catmo]
smae under memory card memory card?
00:23:45 [teleGUISE]
under FrontSide Bus Properties :)
00:23:55 [teleGUISE]
which is under where you were reading same category
00:24:02 [catmo]
FeltVerdi
00:24:02 [catmo]
Bus typeIntel GTL+
00:24:12 [catmo]
FeltVerdi
00:24:12 [catmo]
Bus bredde64-bit
00:24:25 [teleGUISE]
what the heck is Felt Verdi?
00:24:36 [catmo]
and then alot of things like 100 MHz and 800 MB/s
00:24:41 [catmo]
never midn those
00:24:43 [catmo]
mind
00:25:02 [catmo]
Bus type Intel GTL+
00:25:11 [catmo]
Bus with 64-bit
00:25:12 [teleGUISE]
there should be 2 listings for Bus Type
00:25:27 [teleGUISE]
well actually 3...
00:25:31 [catmo]
Bus typeIntel Hub Interface
00:25:59 [teleGUISE]
nothing says Memory Bus Properties?
00:26:10 [catmo]
no its norwgian
00:26:23 [catmo]
on motherboard motherborad page. where is it?
00:26:26 [catmo]
which paragraph?
00:26:38 [teleGUISE]
ok Norwegian Bus Memory Properties ;) -- should be 2nd one
00:26:46 [teleGUISE]
sorry 3rd
00:26:49 [catmo]
and I already pasted that
00:26:58 [catmo]
Bus type Intel GTL+
00:27:08 [catmo]
bus with 8bit
00:27:25 [teleGUISE]
thats fine.. don't worry between the motherboard type and chipset i should be able to google it
00:27:31 [catmo]
ok
00:27:38 [catmo]
* catmo is tired
00:28:21 [catmo]
but I need to add another album because the rent needs to go hoem tomorrow
00:28:22 [teleGUISE]
http://www.fujitsu-siemens.co.uk/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/boards/Motherboards/tuwem-101/tuwem-101.pdf
00:28:24 [catmo]
erh.. y
00:28:25 [catmo]
thingy
00:28:34 [catmo]
no sorry i'm not opening a pdf
00:29:00 [catmo]
but my comp is a fujitsu-simens so I think you're o n the right track
00:29:26 [teleGUISE]
good now i can diagnose your computer over the net.. thats your manual for it :)
00:29:28 [catmo]
Motherboard ID06/18/2002-I810E2-TUWE-M
00:29:46 [catmo]
ok..
00:29:48 [catmo]
brb
00:30:31 [teleGUISE]
it has 2 memory slots and says supports NON-ECC memory ...yeah!
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00:32:35 [teleGUISE]
come to find out on your Motherboard Support CD there is a tool that would have told us all that info and more :O
00:33:18 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
00:33:18 [mustaqila]
Hi, I'm Windows XP and I'm here to cause you fucking braindamage by fucking up lots and making you resort to mashing your face against the desk. kthx, and thank you for choosing Microsoft.
00:33:46 [teleGUISE]
uh hum... bad install woes mustaqila :) ?
00:33:46 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila curses at his machine lots : (
00:34:05 [nechto13]
* nechto13 wonders if wolfsong13 is still here
00:34:29 [mustaqila]
It whines at me to update, I turn the automatic update thingy off, it whines more, I go to the update site reluctantly, let it work it's magic for half an hour only to get "Error"
00:34:33 [teleGUISE]
did you try installing over a previous install or something?
00:34:38 [Nyght]
muz it's microshit get it right!
00:34:48 [mustaqila]
I reformatted my hdd completely tele
00:34:57 [teleGUISE]
USE AUTOPATCHER!! ITs the greatest thing in the world!
00:35:03 [mustaqila]
Oh?
00:35:07 [teleGUISE]
screw the update site!
00:35:23 [Nyght]
I hate the way MS updates stuff
00:35:33 [nechto13]
* nechto13 pokes wolfsong13 (just to make sure he's not here)
00:35:38 [teleGUISE]
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showforum=89
00:35:49 [Nyght]
I only got two files. :(
00:35:49 [mustaqila]
At the moment I'm stuck with an incredibly whiney machine "update me!" "I won't let you update me!" "pleeeease update me!"
00:35:55 [Nyght]
whoops, wrong window
00:35:56 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila tries autopatcher
00:36:27 [teleGUISE]
once you play with it and get the knack of it you will love it!!
00:36:53 [teleGUISE]
* teleGUISE hopes mustaqila has broadband for the d/l
00:37:24 [mustaqila]
I do
00:37:29 [mustaqila]
4mbps \o/
00:37:41 [nechto13]
* nechto13 is currently downloading files at 0.2 kbps/sec
00:37:57 [mustaqila]
Bleh, 22 MB, I was just downloading several hundred on.. totally legitimate files
00:38:09 [teleGUISE]
i've used it for over a year on tons of machines and it only borked once and it wasn't it's fault it was the crappy install on a person's machine that was borked after a fresh xp install it too ran fine.. so 0 faults in about 150machines at least
00:38:12 [nechto13]
they are all located on a russian website that uses dial-up i bet
00:38:59 [mustaqila]
Tsk tsk tsk, Mother Russia
00:39:19 [teleGUISE]
peruse the d/l some are crap and some are straight d/l's ... they are hosted by supporters so unfortunately thats not under the control of the AutoPatcher team
00:39:40 [mustaqila]
Yeah I found a direct one
00:39:49 [mustaqila]
Downloading at a steady 122 kb/sec
00:40:19 [mustaqila]
(I only made this install of XP so I could play games on it :3)
00:40:30 [nechto13]
* nechto13 blows a raspberry at muz
00:40:41 [mustaqila]
I dislike raspberries
00:40:48 [mustaqila]
Mangos are pretty awesome though
00:40:54 [teleGUISE]
mustaqila .. be sure you get the whole thing as there is a main release and then monthly updates
00:41:04 [mustaqila]
OH arse
00:41:08 [mustaqila]
I just got the March update
00:41:35 [teleGUISE]
nobody is hosting the full March file only torrent seeds
00:42:18 [teleGUISE]
oh.. thats cuz they didnt make one :)
00:43:34 [teleGUISE]
grab the december full file and you should be good
00:44:04 [teleGUISE]
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=409564
00:44:11 [mustaqila]
Thanks
00:45:23 [mustaqila]
Oooh 206 MB
00:45:37 [teleGUISE]
thats why i said i hope you had broadband ;)
00:47:05 [teleGUISE]
mustaqila - http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=432780 errr.. looks like they didnt pack Jan & Feb into March either so you need to grab these... boy this was a bad month to introduce someone to AP.. normally it's not this messy as you can see they release full versions every 3-4months and once you have the main you just need to d/l one update
00:47:15 [Nyght]
Half an hour, not bad
00:47:17 [mustaqila]
40kb/sec from this source
00:47:24 [nechto13]
* nechto13 is sure that muz will download the whole thing before i download the four files of combined size of 5mb which i'm downloading right now
00:47:42 [mustaqila]
Errr, so I want that December 2005 as well as those ones too?
00:47:43 [teleGUISE]
there's better... i've managed with 3 splits about 300-400KB
00:47:57 [mustaqila]
Or can I get away with just the December 2005?
00:48:01 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila is awfully lazy
00:48:04 [Nyght]
I don't have torrent installed yet teleGUISE
00:48:10 [mustaqila]
Nor I
00:48:32 [mustaqila]
1 hour 30ish for this December file
00:49:26 [teleGUISE]
you need December 2005 the combined (Jan/Feb) update and the March Update 3 files
00:49:27 [Nyght]
Well, I'm happy with a half an hour.
00:49:45 [mustaqila]
Is that a NEED, or it's preferable to have?
00:49:53 [teleGUISE]
Nyght must be getting some fast times if its only a 1/2hr
00:50:02 [teleGUISE]
sorry mustaqila ---preferred--
00:50:09 [mustaqila]
Aha, thanks
00:50:26 [mustaqila]
I'll see how this download goes and then contemplate it depending on the attractiveness of my bed
00:50:38 [Nyght]
:) I am, it's at 14 percent already and I entered that at the beginning. 143 kbps
00:50:52 [teleGUISE]
you will only have security updates/patches/fixes up until December... which of course is much better then 2001 or 2002 of the original install version!
00:50:52 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila sighs at his 5%
00:51:11 [mustaqila]
I wonder, what version of Windows this is
00:51:21 [mustaqila]
I have no idea to be completely honest :o
00:51:23 [Nyght]
muz, I'd open some of my bandwidth to you if I could. :D
00:51:27 [teleGUISE]
like said earlier sometimes you have to play with the d/l's some sources are much faster then others
00:51:36 [mustaqila]
02/05/2002 it seems
00:51:40 [Nyght]
right click mycomputer preferences
00:51:41 [mustaqila]
Haha, thanks for the offer Beth
00:51:42 [Nyght]
it will tell you
00:51:56 [teleGUISE]
well if you see 2001 on the windows screen when it starts its Windows XP if it's gone you have XP SP2
00:52:19 [Nyght]
properties not preferences.
00:52:26 [Nyght]
Grrr.. my brain's on vacation and it wont come back
00:52:28 [teleGUISE]
either way the coolest thing about this is it will work on -any- version of XP and update accordingly
00:52:42 [mustaqila]
It's SP1 heh
00:52:54 [inhouseuk]
also before SP2 it used to show Home or Professional on the startup screen
00:53:03 [teleGUISE]
basically what they did was make a front end for all the official MS patches
00:53:09 [nechto13]
!weather 78758
00:53:15 [BrainzBot_]
Austin, TX (78758): 75°F / 23.9°C, Clear
00:53:31 [teleGUISE]
your in Austin nechto??
00:53:41 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila goes to get food and such provisions for the night
00:53:47 [Nyght]
it's going to take fourty minutes unless something hiccups and makes it go faster, it's only at a quarter now
00:54:00 [nechto13]
teleGUISE: yep
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00:54:30 [teleGUISE]
been to any 6th St shin digs lately ?? Or have you outgrown the crazy crowd ;)
00:56:03 [nechto13]
i usually don't go there unless someone i listen to is playing there or if i tag along with my friends. i'm not really a big party person
00:56:04 [teleGUISE]
also mustaqila Nyght you'll find there are some -cool- built in tools/mods with AutoPatcher such as removing the desktop icon shortcut arrows, removing the irritating message Windows Tour message on fresh installs.. etc..etc..
00:56:46 [Nyght]
Yeah, I've done all of that previously, but I haven't done any little cool things with my OS since the new install I just did a few weeks ago?
00:56:55 [Nyght]
Haven't even gotten lastfm back up yet.
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00:57:59 [teleGUISE]
ahh... it's been quite some years since i've been there.. (old x-girlfriend) never thought i would have liked it but Austin is a cool place.. It's modern yet keeps the old culture too
00:58:06 [Nyght]
You "guys" forgot one http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4589366
00:58:39 [Nyght]
but thank you all who votes on the mods for Bauhaus, didn't even see them on my mod list. :D
00:59:14 [teleGUISE]
nyght: approved
00:59:24 [Nyght]
thankees. :)
00:59:41 [Nyght]
now, which nightmare, the django, or the Am/Pm?
00:59:49 [Nyght]
food first, then I'll decide. :D
01:00:12 [teleGUISE]
nechto13: what bridge is it again where all the bats gather and then come out at night?
01:01:05 [teleGUISE]
it's by a hotel... near the university isn't it?
01:01:38 [nechto13]
it's on congress bridge
01:01:42 [nechto13]
i think
01:02:38 [teleGUISE]
you think ... i thought that was 1 of the top 20 Austin attraction sites :)
01:03:04 [teleGUISE]
nyght: are you using a d/l manager or just the browser?
01:03:05 [nechto13]
it was awhile from the last time i went to see them
01:03:32 [teleGUISE]
Is a Taco Cabana still alive or did they fold down there too?
01:03:37 [teleGUISE]
-a
01:03:59 [mustaqila]
Beth, not got last.fm back yet? That's a priority!
01:04:16 [teleGUISE]
mustaqila - you using a d/l manager or just the browser?
01:04:25 [mustaqila]
Browser
01:04:33 [mustaqila]
It's a literal fresh install : P
01:04:48 [Nyght]
Just FF and a plug in teleGUISE
01:05:03 [teleGUISE]
oh yea... did the speed maintain or drop?
01:05:12 [mustaqila]
Mine is a steady 40
01:05:26 [mustaqila]
Ocasionally 45, but it always homes back in to 40
01:05:32 [Nyght]
muz... it should be, but I've had work be priority and just had a cloning software wipe out all of my files on my backup keydrive! I am not a happy camper right now.
01:05:37 [teleGUISE]
Nyght the flashgot plugin?
01:05:49 [mustaqila]
Ooooh, sorry to hear that
01:06:04 [Nyght]
75% 200 KBPS
01:06:16 [mustaqila]
;_;
01:06:31 [Nyght]
yes I believe so
01:06:41 [teleGUISE]
well off 1 point you couldn't expect more than 65-70 anyway usually
01:06:43 [nechto13]
teleGUISE: no, we still have Taco Cabana joints left. left good memories there?
01:06:44 [Nyght]
so was I muz, I'm getting them slowly and painfully,.
01:07:01 [Nyght]
I have fast cable. :D
01:07:13 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila decides to fill up on Praline and Cream icecream whilst he waits
01:07:25 [teleGUISE]
you probably picked a better source then mustaqila did...
01:07:43 [teleGUISE]
ooh Paraline's and Cream that's been a while too
01:07:44 [mustaqila]
Ah well, I've got all night
01:07:47 [mustaqila]
Not like I'm a student, or have work....
01:08:25 [nechto13]
teleGUISE: i don't think i've ever been in Taco Cabana though. i think i've heard from one of my friends awhile back that food there was terrible
01:08:45 [Nyght]
It was the FTP site, but I actually got the fastest the company offered. Pay for it every month, but I work from home too, so it's tax deductible.
01:09:00 [mustaqila]
Ah, FTP acts like arse for me
01:09:36 [catmo]
natta folkens
01:09:42 [teleGUISE]
nechto13: that was a big thing when it came here.. and on i believe day 7 of the grand opening a beam fell from the ceiling injuring about 5 people... 2 of which were pretty well off influential people whom im sure did a little damage to there insurance policy
01:09:47 [mustaqila]
Natta mo
01:10:01 [teleGUISE]
s/there/their
01:10:11 [Nyght]
youch teleGUISE
01:10:30 [Nyght]
did you notice that I emailed AP to ask when Indie-gestion came out?
01:10:39 [Nyght]
We'll be the first database with the info if they answer back. :D
01:10:58 [teleGUISE]
Oh.. is that what you meant... i forgot to ask what you were talking about when you said you emailed 'them'
01:11:59 [teleGUISE]
usually the small guys answer... i've been lucky before when emailing a few artists, labels, etc... the smaller guys usually still care enough to interact with the people that pay their wages
01:13:40 [Nyght]
I have had really good luck that way with most of my artists.... a few exceptions.. but, them or the management answers usually,
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01:14:31 [mustaqila]
Oooh
01:14:33 [mustaqila]
That reminds me
01:14:36 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila fires up his email
01:17:26 [nechto13]
hmm. wikipedia is back, but all my searches on english page have failed so far. russian pages seem to work though it still takes quite a lot of time to load up each page. i guess their servers are being hit pretty hard right now
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01:28:29 [mustaqila]
Woo, 50%!
01:32:43 [nechto13]
* nechto13 goes to make pizza
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01:37:52 [nechto13]
i love the instructions on that thing: do not eat pizza without cooking. yes i know they probably avoided thousands of lawsuites by putting it there, but it still cracks me up
01:38:46 [Nyght]
It's so sad what we're protected from by warnings
01:39:16 [mustaqila]
Health and safety sucks, we had a phase in school where we would think of stupid reasons why you could ban something
01:39:18 [mustaqila]
Like hair
01:39:31 [mustaqila]
Or paper
01:40:15 [yllona]
Nyght: down to the coffee warning from McD's and the volume warning/patch on iPods. what ever happened to common sense???
01:40:32 [mustaqila]
yllona, "sueing" happened to common sense
01:40:45 [yllona]
especially here in the US
01:41:07 [mustaqila]
The cases against McDonalds make me laugh to no extent
01:41:22 [yllona]
mustaqila: me too.
01:41:58 [mustaqila]
As much as I hate MaccyD's, the thought of them being sued over things like that is just absurd
01:42:13 [yllona]
yep.
01:42:38 [Nyght]
I don't know... yllona, it's sick and disgusting to me how much people sued,a nd want to have more and more wanrings and gov intervention in their life.
01:43:09 [Nyght]
yep muz and yllona
01:43:17 [mustaqila]
Whatever happened to good ol' survival of the fittest...
01:43:18 [yllona]
seems like "adults" want to be treated like children... small children at that
01:45:46 [yllona]
here's an article on the whole phenomenon: "Up With Grups*: http://www.newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16529/?imw=Y
01:50:33 [Nyght]
Will read it in a bit after AR'ing this Django live album
01:51:54 [yllona]
Django Rheinhardt? or someone else?
01:55:15 [mustaqila]
I think that I won't get some of those jokes in that article
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01:55:23 [mustaqila]
I have very little knowledge of NY society
01:55:27 [mustaqila]
Or American society for that matter
01:55:33 [mustaqila]
"Mo Pitkin"?
01:55:46 [mustaqila]
"Chuck Taylor All-Stars"?
01:56:02 [mustaqila]
Either I'm incredibly not with the "scene", or it's just my foreigness : P
01:56:02 [yllona]
mustaqila: i bet there's a UK equivalent. sorta like super upscale chavs
01:56:12 [mustaqila]
Upscale chavs...
01:56:13 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila thinks
01:56:29 [Nyght]
Yes yllona
01:56:42 [mustaqila]
Sorry, not striking any bells :\
01:57:06 [yllona]
gwenyth paltrow and her hubby from that useless band... cold [something]
01:57:33 [mustaqila]
Snooty indiescenesters comes to mind
01:58:01 [yllona]
yes! that's it especially onces thaey pass 35... that's the gist of the rticle
01:58:06 [yllona]
*article
01:58:40 [mustaqila]
It's kind of funny though, that whole situation
01:59:07 [mustaqila]
How at one point older people are mocked for not being "hip" or "with it", yet when they are it's still frowned upon in some ways
02:01:12 [yllona]
mustaqila: only when they define hipness not from their own era, but from something much later... dressing and listening to the music of their own teenage children
02:03:04 [Nyght]
everyone can complain aout something muz. :) haven't you lerned you can't do anything "right" as far as society is concerned? :D
02:03:12 [yllona]
which in itself not bad... keeping up with trends.... but why would a 35-40 person identify with a song describing teen-age angst from 2001 (or later). There were plenty of angsty songs in the 70's :P
02:03:33 [Nyght]
* Nyght coughs
02:03:35 [mustaqila]
HAha true
02:03:55 [Nyght]
okay yllona, you just catagorized me in that group. I like disturbed a lot thank you. Our teen years weren't as different as you might think!
02:04:24 [yllona]
Nyght: can you say Janis Ian (for girls), or Rush, or ... the list is endles
02:04:33 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila likes Rush
02:04:44 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila also likes Renaissance and Jethro Tull too :
02:05:10 [yllona]
an excellent bands, better than most of the current crop.
02:05:23 [mustaqila]
It all depends where you look
02:05:29 [mustaqila]
The popular crap yes
02:05:32 [mustaqila]
*crop ; )
02:06:18 [yllona]
the big diffrence being thatr Rush, Tull, Alice Cooper were the *popular crap* in the '70s
02:06:39 [mustaqila]
Ah good point
02:06:42 [yllona]
all of those bands received heavy radio airplay.
02:08:01 [yllona]
keep in mind that radio was the only outlet for music until you were aold enough to attend nightclubs
02:08:02 [mustaqila]
I think of all the bands I am currently in a phase of liking heavily, only one is popular
02:08:20 [mustaqila]
And even then that's in Spanish speaking countries, they're more or less unheard of elsewhere
02:09:05 [yllona]
well that depends on where you live. i can get Mexican radio here more easily than local Los Angeles radio
02:09:38 [mustaqila]
Even then, it's not going to be "popular" where you are per sé
02:09:48 [yllona]
local LA radio == 30 miles, Mexico == 150 miles
02:09:56 [mustaqila]
Whoa
02:10:07 [mustaqila]
If I could get radio from that distance, I'd have it on quite a fair bit
02:10:35 [nechto13]
* nechto13 wanders if maybe it's not that 30 year-olds and older are trying to look *hip* and more that they never grew out of being 20 year olds in the first place even though they have kids of their own
02:11:35 [yllona]
so even when i was a teen-age i was listening to "Mexican" radio broadcasting at 50K watts (which was illegal in the US at that time).. and Mexican radio had R & B , classical, rock... you name it.
02:12:12 [Nyght]
* Nyght skims
02:12:35 [yllona]
nechto13: that's the NY Mag article in a nutshell.
02:12:52 [nechto13]
* nechto13 feels anti-hip since he listens to soviet time kids' music :P
02:13:01 [Nyght]
But, I like bands as recent as Carfax abbey, scars of life, celldweller too.
02:13:43 [Nyght]
yllona: try 106.7 I used to be able to get it in Santa Barbara. :D
02:15:03 [yllona]
106.7 has been around since the '70s... KROQ is no longer broadcast on radio.. internet only
02:16:21 [yllona]
so i grew up in the KROQ era of freddy snakeskin, and the rest of of the crew. that's the original "alternative" radio station. teh playlist has been sundicated ad infinitum.
02:16:29 [mustaqila]
106.7 gives me Classic FM...
02:17:00 [yllona]
mustaqila: here: http://www.kroq.com/
02:17:47 [yllona]
but it would be considered "classic" now. like KLOS and to some degree (KMET) in my day
02:17:52 [Nyght]
And see, I recall when it shifted from 101.5 :D
02:17:59 [Nyght]
anywho, didn't know it had gained such popularity!
02:18:39 [yllona]
yep. IIRC KLOS was 95.5 and KMET was 94.7
02:18:42 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila weeps at that "Most Played"
02:18:46 [Nyght]
errr.. sorry, that was the first snag, 102.1 was what they took over.. anywho
02:18:59 [Nyght]
another one you might be able to get is 105.3
02:19:07 [Nyght]
another pretty decent one and from SD
02:21:03 [yllona]
Nyght i mostly rememer R & B frm that end of the dial... KJLH 102.3 (kindess joy love and happiness - Stevie Wonders radio station). 102.1 was also R & B in the '70s, then KACE 103.1, and also KIIS 102.7 (now hip-hop)
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02:21:58 [yllona]
the ultimate R & B was still on AM then.. 1580 k-DAY and 1230 KGFJ
02:24:09 [yllona]
Nyght i was listening to 105.3 back in the day. though there was interference from the jazz station at 105.1, which was okay by me
02:25:12 [yllona]
also 92.1 was excellent R & B from Mexico... american station just below the border, so they could bradcast at 50K
02:27:35 [yllona]
the other alternative rock station was KNAC (now knac.com) which may be more to mustaqila's taste. KNAC is internet only these days
02:28:22 [Nyght]
LOL I remember that interference too!
02:28:34 [Nyght]
Sorry, still doing AR's, so I know I'm being pokey with responses.
02:29:05 [Nyght]
Wow, it's cool to talk to someone that listened to so much I did. :D 91x ring any bells?
02:29:05 [yllona]
yep. staying up *really* late at night to record to cassette or reel-to-reel.
02:29:09 [Nyght]
91.1
02:29:18 [Nyght]
yeah me too LOL
02:29:29 [yllona]
yeah, don't remember the call letters
02:30:26 [Nyght]
Okay yllona, are you shocked there is no AR for the brushes on drums?
02:30:34 [yllona]
yes!!!!
02:30:41 [Nyght]
no, neither do I
02:31:12 [Nyght]
okay.. I asked ArgoNavis in pm because I'm doing that django live album ar's for him.. and he didn't realize. Then I realized I knew about them from orchestral aspects... and wondered if others had,.
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02:32:56 [yllona]
which album? i asked if it was django rheinhardt above...
02:33:08 [catmo]
Nyght: should brushes on drumbs be its own instrument?
02:33:46 [yllona]
mo: percussion->drums->brushes
02:34:03 [catmo]
yllona: I know i'm not an idiot
02:34:26 [yllona]
it's part of the standard jazz kit. not a separate instrument
02:35:28 [catmo]
nevermind
02:35:28 [yllona]
brushes are actually wire implements, that look like a flattened cooking whisk
02:35:34 [catmo]
>_<
02:35:41 [catmo]
I know. I've seen them
02:36:05 [yllona]
then why did you ask?
02:36:18 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/album/0583d6b5-56bc-463c-8773-ba094378eb1b.html
02:36:19 [catmo]
I even *shock* :gasp: touched them
02:36:43 [catmo]
I didn't ask what they where. nor what aprt of whatthey are is asked NYGHT if they where a valid instrument i n the mb sense
02:36:51 [Nyght]
mo it's such a distinctive sound... to me it should be,.
02:37:09 [catmo]
that's what im think ing too
02:37:20 [catmo]
I'l ladd it under 'drum kit' aright?
02:37:39 [yllona]
yes.
02:37:43 [Nyght]
They've been used on multitude of jazz and orchestral ways... so, yeah, more than the vaccum cleaner. :D
02:37:46 [mustaqila]
Is "hand claps" under the instruments?
02:37:51 [catmo]
hmmm
02:38:00 [Nyght]
Thanks, I'll go and shift the ar's when I'm done with the others.
02:38:19 [catmo]
just "Brushes" or Drum Brushes ?
02:38:20 [Nyght]
I'll look muz, next ar's I am doing.
02:38:25 [Nyght]
I would just say brushes.
02:38:25 [yllona]
nyght: i can help with the AR's on that album. where are you composers or personnel?
02:38:27 [mustaqila]
Ah, thanks
02:38:29 [Nyght]
that's what they're referred to.
02:38:47 [Nyght]
I'm using a liner picture I got from Argo.
02:38:53 [catmo]
Nyght: ding it's added
02:38:59 [yllona]
what about release dates?
02:39:12 [Nyght]
I've been going down the list and I'm done with the first three songs. You want to take bireli lagrene?
02:39:30 [Nyght]
lead guitar solo on swing 49 and.....
02:39:46 [mustaqila]
The reason I ask is I was looking at http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=370
02:39:47 [catmo]
if you need any instruments.. just ask me , ja?
02:39:54 [mustaqila]
Seems like a pretty talented group, instrument wise
02:40:04 [catmo]
hmm..
02:40:06 [toxickore]
picard 0.7.0 beta 1 eats a lot of memory when analyzing for PUIDs
02:40:34 [catmo]
ok. i'm feeling nice. I'll ass 'handclaps' under 'other percussion, just for you muz
02:40:40 [catmo]
add even
02:40:41 [Nyght]
Loooking ArgoNavis!!! Answer yllona question so I can get back to the ar's. :D
02:40:42 [catmo]
oO
02:40:46 [mustaqila]
Hehe, thanks mo :D
02:41:00 [catmo]
now you better use it!
02:41:11 [mustaqila]
I will!
02:41:15 [ArgoNavis]
I'm here. Let me find the question...
02:41:18 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila gets ARing Moonsorrow
02:41:33 [mustaqila]
Actually, first I shall install Firefox onto this other machine
02:41:38 [Nyght]
:) Ass handclaps.. sounds like you're spanking mo. :D
02:41:52 [catmo]
oO
02:41:57 [mustaqila]
Oh my
02:41:58 [catmo]
not
02:42:05 [Nyght]
Sorry!
02:42:08 [toxickore]
nice.... beta2 works faster
02:42:08 [catmo]
that's only for sen >)
02:42:16 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk heads to bed
02:42:17 [ArgoNavis]
yllona: What would you like to know?
02:42:20 [inhouseuk]
night all
02:42:20 [mustaqila]
Night inhouse
02:42:23 [catmo]
natta inhouse
02:42:25 [ArgoNavis]
Goodnight inhouseuk!
02:42:32 [Nyght]
Really, it came to visuals and I just couldn't get it out of my mind... now, let me tell you yllona what the rest of the tracks whatsisname is on.
02:42:36 [Nyght]
night inhouseuk
02:42:44 [nechto13]
sleep well inhouseuk
02:42:50 [yllona]
do you have release dates for teh django album? looks like a tribute to me
02:43:16 [ArgoNavis]
yllona: It is a tribute... it's a live album recorded at "Live at Birdland" in NY.
02:43:35 [catmo]
* catmo goes too. if ya'll nead any other instruments go to http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/InstrumentAdditionDiscussion
02:43:37 [catmo]
tanks
02:43:40 [catmo]
goodnight
02:43:43 [ArgoNavis]
yllona: 2001
02:43:46 [yllona]
ardo: the NY jazz festival
02:43:51 [nechto13]
night mo
02:44:00 [ArgoNavis]
yllona: 'sactamundo.
02:44:03 [Nyght]
night mo, and thanks for the brushes!
02:44:07 [yllona]
*argo, sorry. yeah. regina carter was the dead give away.
02:44:32 [ArgoNavis]
yllona: Why? Is she that rare, or is that the only place she tends to play?
02:44:50 [Nyght]
yllona: Since ar's are needed anyways, I'm doing those.. then will eventually take it to a multiple artist under django. I think that's best? What do you think?>
02:45:25 [yllona]
know regina cater is a youngish jazz violinist. she was born long after django died
02:46:06 [ArgoNavis]
yllona: Yes... Django was there in spirit, I'm sure.
02:46:23 [yllona]
added the asin, amz has personnel by tarck.
02:46:30 [yllona]
*personnel by track
02:46:48 [Nyght]
yllona: cool!
02:47:46 [yllona]
also too note the presence of Bucky Pizzarelli.
02:48:44 [Nyght]
yllona: I have so far done...
02:48:54 [yllona]
i think the album title should be "NY Jazz Festival: Live at Birdland"
02:49:05 [Nyght]
rosenberg, vignola, burr, carter, and ascione
02:49:17 [Nyght]
yllona: agreed
02:50:13 [Nyght]
Been doing them in order, down the line by artist, so the tracks are as neat as possible and in the same order on the artists page.
02:50:21 [yllona]
Nyght: if that's the MB guidelines for tribute, he's not the composer on all of the tracks...just songs he' most associated with.
02:50:52 [Nyght]
I realize.. but, see, I can only say Rosenberg is the main tie in through all these.
02:51:22 [Nyght]
I don't quite know what to do as far as the MA goes yet... that's why I'm starting with the AR's and then going to figure out how to classify it via VA rules.
02:51:32 [yllona]
yeah, so what. he made the gig
02:52:27 [Nyght]
So what are you suggesting for the VA aspect? Listing each and every artist in the track like amazon has it? It will be ungodly to handle that way.
02:52:31 [ArgoNavis]
yllona: Aren't there a whole series of "Live at Birdland" CDs? Why not call it "Live at Birdland: NY Jazz Fest"? Just wondering... you're the expert.
02:52:32 [yllona]
there are several recorded albums from the NYCJazz Festival. it's a very big deal... birdland is just one of the venues
02:52:57 [ArgoNavis]
yllona: Gotcha.
02:53:07 [Nyght]
I think the NY should come first as yllona suggested
02:53:48 [ArgoNavis]
Nyght, yllona: According to the FeaturedArtistStyle, at least the implication, is that the artists should be listed as "A, B, C & D"
02:53:48 [Nyght]
the thing that has me wondering... is the classification after the ar's are done.. and if you say the ar's shouldn't; have been done I'm going to scream yllona :)
02:54:08 [Nyght]
I don't believe that was actually ruled in as style guide though...
02:54:13 [yllona]
nyght: sorry i'm confused
02:54:23 [Nyght]
I think you have to look more at SGR5 (or whatever they deemed it.)
02:54:25 [toxickore]
is MusicIP making the PUIDs available faster than before?
02:54:48 [Nyght]
how have I confused you yllona?
02:55:16 [ArgoNavis]
toxickore: I think I've been noticing that, too.
02:55:21 [yllona]
Nyght: i just meant that the album title should include NY Festival.
02:55:39 [Nyght]
Oh, I agreed with you
02:55:53 [toxickore]
ArgoNavis: yup, the submit information tu mb is active now and faster
02:55:57 [ArgoNavis]
Nyght: I saw that, but I confess that I wasn't clear as to what the implication was for this album.
02:56:26 [Nyght]
8:48:52 PM) yllona: i think the album title should be "NY Jazz Festival: Live at Birdland"
02:56:26 [Nyght]
(8:49:02 PM) Nyght: rosenberg, vignola, burr, carter, and ascione
02:56:26 [Nyght]
(8:49:15 PM) Nyght: yllona: agreed
02:57:02 [Nyght]
Ah. :)
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02:57:05 [Nyght]
it's okay ArgoNavis
02:57:26 [yllona]
i have to check the MB wiki guidelines for tribute, otherwise this is a VA album
02:57:33 [Nyght]
as far as the VA aspect goes yllona, I am still not sure how to handle that... and was doing the AR's first. Because I know how those are done.
02:58:15 [Nyght]
Tribute was supposed to go as VA with the correct name. The problem being, usually they use names of bands, and not single artists. That's why this is such a touchy thing as far as I'm concerned.
02:58:51 [Nyght]
We'll either have to utilize the multiple artist feat. styleguide5disasterrelief rules.. or... something.
02:59:13 [yllona]
ready for the composers?
02:59:33 [Nyght]
Still doing the track level ar's.
02:59:48 [yllona]
yeah, composers are tarck level
02:59:54 [yllona]
*track level
03:00:14 [Nyght]
I've already done... rosenberg, vignola, burr, carter, and ascione
03:00:15 [ArgoNavis]
yllona: Jimminy Cricket! Are you going to do this as a classical album?
03:00:32 [yllona]
track 1composers: Harry Beasley Smith/Ted Snyder/Francis Wheeler
03:00:50 [Nyght]
ah, those. Yeah I have that listed on the liner notes I have from ArgoNavis too.
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03:01:08 [yllona]
argo: no doesn't meet the MB classical guidellines
03:01:10 [Nyght]
no, it's not there..
03:01:30 [ArgoNavis]
yllona: But... then why the talk about the composers?
03:01:33 [Nyght]
Yllona, can you do the composers? Since you seem to know them, and I'll contnue with the instrument ar's?
03:01:39 [yllona]
track 2: Clarence Gaskill/Jimmy McHugh
03:01:47 [ArgoNavis]
yllona: Oh, you mean as ARs... Gotit.
03:01:52 [yllona]
i'll do the composers...
03:02:06 [Nyght]
Thank you. It wont die on us both working with the track level right?
03:02:50 [yllona]
i hope not. otherwise i can hit it tomorrow, if that's okay. i need to finish dinner anyway
03:04:15 [Nyght]
Either way. I was going to stop at the track level musician AR's and I'm glad you're more comfortable with this than I am. You'll get composers, I'll finish the musical AR's and then we'll bash heads tomorrow on how further to deal with the rest of it?
03:04:42 [yllona]
okay made notes and added to my reminder list. i'll catchya tomorrow???
03:04:49 [yllona]
i'll be glad to help.
03:06:02 [ArgoNavis]
Nyght, yllona: You both are great! It would've taken me 10 years to do this one.
03:07:06 [Nyght]
sounds good yllona, thanks as well. :) I wouldn't have thought of the composers.
03:07:33 [Nyght]
ArgoNavis: glad to help.. I'm just thinking and hoping yllona and some of the other mods will have a good thought on how to make this manageable at a track level.
03:07:40 [yllona]
no problem. i'll get ya to help on some of that '80s stuff. the '80's were a blur to me. although i can remember details from albums recorded on the '40s perfectly well.
03:07:56 [yllona]
human memeory is very odd.
03:08:24 [yllona]
good night all. good luck fellaz, i'll check in later tonight or tomorrow
03:08:37 [ArgoNavis]
Goodnight yllona!
03:08:41 [Nyght]
LOL you're cute. ;) I like 80s for one reason alone. I can read most all the titles and know what they should be. :D
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03:09:33 [nechto13]
good nigt yllona
03:11:31 [Nyght]
3 songs left. :D
03:17:30 [Nyght]
last trrack
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03:19:39 [mustaqila]
My hdd must hate me
03:20:10 [mustaqila]
It's making horrid noises, but I suppose it doesn't help it's sitting inside an opensided case, on top of two empty Pepsi cans due to cables not reaching otherwise
03:20:18 [Nyght]
Why's that muz?
03:20:29 [mustaqila]
I've ran out of hard drive bays : (
03:20:45 [mustaqila]
I have my Linux drive, my Longhorn/2000 hdd and now my XP drive
03:21:48 [Nyght]
I used velcro which had adhesive. :D
03:21:52 [Nyght]
though it doesn't ground well that way,
03:21:58 [mustaqila]
Hahah
03:23:02 [mustaqila]
It's gotten awful cold just now
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* mustaqila fetches blankets
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03:47:57 [toxickore]
Pango-ERROR **: file pango-layout.c: line 3189 (pango_layout_check_lines): assertion failed: (!layout->log_attrs)
03:48:44 [toxickore]
should i add this to the trac bug system?
03:49:16 [jojo__00]
so how does the webservice calculate responses?
03:49:17 [jojo__00]
http://musicbrainz.org/ws/1/track/?type=xml&artistid=bc710bcf-8815-42cf-bad2-3f1d12246aeb&title=photograph
03:49:34 [jojo__00]
should it not be restricted to that artist id only? but its not
03:49:45 [jojo__00]
still anything with that title is returned
03:49:46 [tro]
toxickore: it's been fixed in svn
03:50:01 [tro]
and there's a bug for it already
03:50:08 [toxickore]
tro: okay
03:59:35 [jojo__00]
grrr does no one know this? lol
04:00:24 [nechto13]
jojo__00: luks, might. but i don't think he is here
04:01:02 [jojo__00]
ahhh, i'll just sit in a corner and maybe catch him sometime :)
04:01:38 [Nyght]
Does anyone here have the link to the freedb 2:30 bug link handy?
04:02:19 [nechto13]
Nyght: what's a freedb 2:30 bug?
04:03:06 [Nyght]
last track from a free db has an added 2:30 from some bug in freedb or mb for imports.. I'll look it up if no one has it handy,. :LD
04:03:08 [Nyght]
:D
04:04:01 [Nyght]
http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/536
04:15:02 [nikki_]
* nikki_ yawns
04:16:13 [nikki_]
Nyght: it's not just freedb, it depends on whatever reads the CD
04:16:41 [Nyght]
thanks Nikki, I didn't know it wasn't only freedb
04:16:50 [Nyght]
good morning
04:17:20 [nikki_]
if it does it wrong and includes a data track, instead of [last track] [2:30] [data track], where the end of the disc is between [last track] and [2:30] you get [last track+2:30] [data track] and the end of the disc is perceived to be after the data track
04:17:24 [nikki_]
moin moin! :)
04:17:53 [nikki_]
hmm, I should really call it the end of the audio section, not the end of the disc
04:20:45 [nechto13]
morning nikki
04:20:46 [nechto13]
* nechto13 still feels saying that seeing how it's 11:20pm here
04:20:58 [nikki_]
time-of-day!
04:20:58 [nechto13]
feels weird
04:21:47 [nechto13]
time-of-day it is :)
04:21:55 [Nyght]
LOL nechto13, it's not that bad. :D then again some people's mornings don't start until about now.
04:23:38 [nechto13]
i guess all things considering. it does feel like morning to me, which means i have trouble staying awake
04:24:56 [Nyght]
it feels like morning to me too, but that wee hours of the morning when I'm most awake and ready to tackle huge things like am/pm and 70 plus ars. :D
04:26:01 [nikki_]
* nikki_ grins
04:26:47 [Nyght]
I still have to finish ARing the Jack of All Trades disc.. I should do that now while I'm amped for ARs
04:28:58 [nechto13]
Nyght: i feel like that only after several cups of coffee in the morning
04:30:37 [nechto13]
i assume we like New York Philharmonia Virtuosi more than Philharmonia Virtuosi of New York for the group's name?
04:33:23 [Nyght]
:) I don't drink caffeine often, it messes with my already wacked sleep schedule
04:33:43 [Nyght]
* Nyght doesn't know... will leave that to the classical guru's
04:34:04 [nechto13]
i drink it only in the morning at work
04:34:29 [nechto13]
and only because we have really good coffee maker
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04:35:48 [Nyght]
okay.. I need an anomile explained to me.
04:35:49 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/showrel.html?id=131460&type=album&expanded=1
04:36:14 [Nyght]
This doesn't link directly to the amazon page anymore, but if you go into the edit relationshipts, and to the mod area it works fine. What's going on?
04:37:38 [Nyght]
basically relatoinship>edit>url info
04:37:42 [Nyght]
that's where it's working fine.
04:39:39 [nikki_]
what's a CD video?
04:40:16 [nikki_]
* nikki_ looks it up in wikipedia
04:40:48 [Nyght]
Um... I would say a cd video is either one that's been ripped from a vhs and put as an avi/mpeg onto a cd to run in dvd, doesn't have the high quality as the dvd, or the small music videos you get on audio cds. Is this a trick question? :D
04:41:10 [nikki_]
hmm, maybe wikipedia have hit on something with a name with so many syllables, I don't wikipedia things, it just doesn't sound right with all of those syllables
04:41:13 [nikki_]
nope!
04:41:18 [nikki_]
wow, you learn something every day
04:41:20 [nikki_]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_Video
04:41:51 [Nyght]
oh cdv
04:42:01 [Nyght]
that's an extra high quality sound disc. :D
04:42:28 [Nyght]
no once wrong again
04:42:35 [Nyght]
that's scd I just said.
04:42:44 [Nyght]
the video discs. :D they are huge pretty cds.
04:42:56 [Nyght]
used to sell them when I was a loan officer in a pawn shop.
04:43:48 [nikki_]
* nikki_ only just learnt about them :o
04:43:50 [Nyght]
the size of vinyl 33s
04:43:57 [Nyght]
I'm a media junkie.
04:44:12 [Nyght]
Can you look about that amazon link? Since you know so very much about what mb does?
04:50:43 [nikki_]
which link?
04:50:51 [nikki_]
* nikki_ is replying to an email
04:52:43 [nechto13]
Nyght: it tries to get it from the amazon.com not from amazon.de
04:52:54 [nechto13]
i don't know the reason for this
04:55:57 [Nyght]
Neither do I.. Nikki no rush, the link again is..
04:56:06 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/showrel.html?id=131460&type=album&expanded=1
04:56:15 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/misc/redirects/amazon-album-info.html?album=1ad5cbd7-c1dc-48da-a29e-ac23d2a6471d&store=amazon.com&asin=B0000D7ZE3
04:56:21 [Nyght]
and then in the URL edit area it...
04:56:40 [Nyght]
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000D7ZE3
04:57:19 [nikki_]
what's the problem?
04:57:21 [Nyght]
I mean, I realize it's because it's pullking off of de.. but, what I don't understand is if it will clear up or if we can't link to amazon de. It's pulling the picture fine. I would think more people would be linking to other amazon de things.
04:58:17 [Nyght]
us amazon doesn't have the disc, so when you click through on the picture it goes no where. But, it has the correct link stored, it's the redirect on the click link for the picture. Is that a bug, oversite, ?
04:58:32 [nikki_]
amazon's problem
04:58:32 [Nyght]
Basically I'm trying to figure out if we can't link it because it's going to an amazon.de page.
04:58:46 [nikki_]
you should link to it
04:58:59 [Nyght]
but it's coming across as a broken link.
04:59:01 [Nyght]
:(
04:59:04 [Nyght]
brb
04:59:19 [nikki_]
yes, and that's one of the reasons I want a "no preference" for my amazon store preference
04:59:49 [nikki_]
you'll find plenty of releases on .com that aren't on other amazon sites, it all depends on your preferences
05:00:05 [nikki_]
if you set your preferences to .de, that one will work but some .com ones won't
05:01:31 [Nyght]
ah... so, it's because it's defaulting to ... got it.
05:01:32 [Nyght]
;)
05:01:43 [Nyght]
thank you! See, I knew you would understand and know the answer
05:01:48 [nikki_]
* nikki_ grins
05:03:02 [Nyght]
are they thinking of putting in a no preference?
05:03:14 [nikki_]
amazon should stop pretending it doesn't know about the asin and have a list like "sorry, we couldn't find that item on amazon.whatever, but our other sites amazon.somewhere and amazon.somewhereelse have this item"
05:03:20 [nikki_]
* nikki_ is arguing strongly for it!
05:03:54 [Nyght]
/,e will help!
05:03:56 [Nyght]
* Nyght too
05:04:04 [nikki_]
that's three people, at least!
05:04:30 [Nyght]
They really should. They're costing themselves sales
05:05:04 [nikki_]
they can share my addresses between servers, but not the item data, dammit!
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05:06:59 [nikki_]
like I imagine people who use .com, .co.uk and .ca (in english) are quite able to understand the english on the other domains ;)
05:07:08 [nikki_]
and .fr and .ca (in french) too
05:07:59 [nikki_]
although I think .ca actually had different french
05:08:14 [nikki_]
but it can't be that difficult, I'm sure
05:08:33 [Nyght]
I would imagine so... I only rarely go to the other domains.. but, yeah, it's silly they don't offer cross platform sale.s
05:08:39 [Nyght]
and cross platform handling too.
05:10:28 [nikki_]
I can't actually get .ca to *stay* in french to look at the buttons again
05:11:21 [nikki_]
I need to buy something from amazon.ca and something from amazon.fr and I've completed my collection of 'buying stuff from other amazon sites' ;)
05:12:38 [Nyght]
LOL well then you'll have a hell of a good stance. :)
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05:13:09 [nikki_]
hi g0llum!
05:13:14 [g0llum]
päng
05:13:20 [nikki_]
hmm?
05:13:22 [g0llum]
you are quick :)
05:13:28 [nikki_]
* nikki_ grins
05:13:46 [g0llum]
you know lucky luke?
05:13:51 [nikki_]
nope
05:13:56 [g0llum]
oh!
05:14:13 [Nyght]
hey g0llum
05:14:28 [g0llum]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Luke
05:14:31 [nikki_]
while you're here, is there any reason the sidebar has a <b></b> with nothing in it (master server line) and a table with width="" ?
05:14:35 [g0llum]
the man who draws quicker than his shadow :)
05:14:54 [g0llum]
hi Nyght
05:15:00 [nikki_]
ahh
05:15:04 [nechto13]
hello g0llum, how's it going?
05:15:24 [g0llum]
hi. just woke up
05:15:28 [g0llum]
* g0llum blinks sleepily
05:15:43 [nikki_]
* nikki_ splashes cold water on g0llum >:)
05:15:47 [g0llum]
nikki_: how many diffs do i have to expect? :)
05:16:02 [nikki_]
hmm
05:16:05 [nikki_]
deeeepends!
05:16:32 [nikki_]
you need to answer my question, 'cause I found this firefox thingy and it keeps giving me warnings about those two instead of nice green ticks :(
05:16:51 [nikki_]
and since they're on every page, they all give me warnings :(
05:16:53 [g0llum]
cool. remove them, of course :)
05:16:56 [nikki_]
yay!
05:17:00 [g0llum]
what thingy is that?
05:17:05 [nikki_]
umm umm
05:17:06 [nikki_]
* nikki_ looks
05:17:11 [nechto13]
g0llum: good morning (time-of-day) then :)
05:17:29 [g0llum]
yep. time-of-day to you too :)
05:17:37 [nikki_]
http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/
05:18:03 [g0llum]
that looks neat
05:18:12 [nikki_]
it comes with a nifty icon in the status bar so you don't have to validate every page by hand
05:18:19 [nechto13]
* nechto13 still waits for votes or notes on his mussorgsky mods with zen-like patience
05:19:26 [g0llum]
eheh
05:20:19 [nikki_]
* nikki_ closes some windows because she can't do a thing like this
05:21:04 [nikki_]
only 13 xterms!
05:21:25 [nikki_]
oh, 16 in total
05:23:08 [Nyght]
grrrr... if I have a name of a VA I am looking for the mods done to it, how can I pull that up in the advanced search?
05:23:09 [nikki_]
er, 17, even
05:23:25 [nikki_]
enter the artist as various artists?
05:24:09 [nikki_]
it worked for the old search, dunno about the new one
05:24:23 [asmodai]
sleeeeeeep
05:24:28 [nikki_]
hi asmodai
05:24:31 [asmodai]
Europe wakes...
05:24:32 [asmodai]
Morning!
05:25:44 [nechto13]
morning Europe and asmodai
05:26:11 [Nyght]
I was just hoping I could pull up mods by the album it was off of, I guess not.
05:31:52 [g0llum]
later..
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bye g0llum
05:41:53 [nechto13]
i'm sure whoever put this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005YQL6/103-6231069-8424607 in amazon wanted to make it as clear as possible, but what were they thinking when they put that for track number 3?
05:42:32 [nechto13]
anyway, i'm pooped. i'll finish fixing up the album tomorrow. now i'm going to bed
05:42:44 [nechto13]
good night everyone
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05:43:19 [nikki_]
eek! that was scary.
05:43:34 [nikki_]
tab completion stopped working in bash :o
05:43:55 [nikki_]
I'm scarily too dependent on that
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06:30:24 [nikki_]
hi again g0llum!
06:30:30 [g0llum]
* g0llum waves
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* nikki_ wonders if that was a hi or bye wave
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06:31:39 [nikki_]
hi again again
06:32:09 [g0llum]
chat client updated :)
06:32:27 [nikki_]
ahh
06:33:26 [Nyght]
well blink in and blink out.
06:33:28 [Nyght]
;)
06:34:19 [nikki_]
oh!
06:34:29 [nikki_]
g0llum: do we have a css class for right aligning?
06:37:09 [nikki_]
and I'm guessing TopAlignCells works instead of valign=top?
06:38:52 [g0llum]
where would you need it?
06:39:23 [g0llum]
topaligncells would work, i guess.
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06:41:52 [nikki_]
user/view, but I can leave the aligns, was just wondering...
06:42:26 [g0llum]
can you try putting it into /comp/tablebegin and comp/tableend blocks
06:43:33 [g0llum]
for the votes section, you could use table class="listing"
06:43:52 [g0llum]
and the find moderator by name form can be removed, it is in the sidebar already
06:44:59 [g0llum]
ah... me likes screenshots: http://thedailywtf.com/forums/67541/ShowPost.aspx
06:47:13 [nikki_]
* nikki_ giggles
06:49:05 [nikki_]
* nikki_ giggles madly at the 'nothing new' message
06:54:15 [nikki_]
the nokia phone one is horrendous though :o
06:59:13 [nikki_]
g0llum: er, topaligncells set it to baseline, not top
06:59:18 [nikki_]
-it
06:59:21 [nikki_]
er
06:59:26 [nikki_]
is set, not set it
06:59:57 [g0llum]
where is it used?
07:00:04 [g0llum]
i don't think oftne
07:00:10 [g0llum]
you can repurpose, rename it
07:00:21 [nikki_]
hmm
07:01:21 [nikki_]
* nikki_ edits it, presumably it is actually meant to align at the top ;)
07:10:23 [nikki_]
buuuugs!
07:12:08 [g0llum]
uuuhm. yes
07:12:09 [g0llum]
:)
07:12:24 [nikki_]
* nikki_ has found two so far
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07:16:21 [nikki_]
hi matthias!
07:16:34 [yalaforge]
moin
07:16:42 [g0llum]
hi
07:16:45 [nikki_]
wie geht's?
07:17:06 [yalaforge]
ok, thanks
07:17:20 [yalaforge]
* yalaforge should be working, but can't motivate himself yet
07:17:26 [nikki_]
* nikki_ knows the feeling
07:17:43 [nikki_]
so instead I'm cleaning up, mb's html this time
07:18:09 [yalaforge]
that's a nice mission
07:18:23 [yalaforge]
MB will feel much cleaner afterwards :-)
07:18:29 [nikki_]
damn right!
07:22:28 [nikki_]
g0llum: ehh, didn't we used to have css classes for alternating row colours?
07:22:37 [ArgoNavis]
Okay, so, before I go nuts, is there anyone out there from DENMARK or JAPAN familiar with the groups "Jon"???
07:22:50 [ArgoNavis]
(Actually, too late on the former bit)
07:24:00 [nikki_]
hmm
07:25:55 [Nyght]
* Nyght agrees about it being too late... but, anywho... still wishes there was an "all" for instrumentation
07:26:15 [nikki_]
I found a jon in wikipedia
07:26:59 [nikki]
http://shibuya.cool.ne.jp/jonthedog/
07:31:07 [g0llum]
nikki_: topmods :)
07:31:16 [nikki_]
hmm?
07:31:45 [g0llum]
remember? ru used those for the search results
07:31:59 [nikki_]
oh
07:32:08 [Nyght]
congrats g0llum
07:32:21 [g0llum]
i'd suggest creating new classes under table.listing
07:32:31 [g0llum]
Nyght: what for?
07:32:51 [Nyght]
but looks like you've been there for a while. Oh, thought you were pointing out the top voters there. :D
07:33:21 [g0llum]
aha... yeah, i'm the 2nd biggest nutjob, after zout
07:33:29 [yalaforge]
* yalaforge grins
07:33:38 [yalaforge]
I know that feeling, but gladly, I'm back to average
07:33:46 [g0llum]
* g0llum shakes his head.
07:33:50 [g0llum]
i've added a release to discogs
07:33:51 [nikki_]
I'm 7th for voting
07:33:59 [g0llum]
now it was approved, after 5 weeks!
07:34:00 [yalaforge]
thanks to all those maniacs out there. no offense ;-)
07:34:06 [g0llum]
i did not even remember i did it
07:34:18 [nikki_]
and I'm making my way up the top mods too
07:34:24 [nikki_]
very slowly
07:34:44 [nikki_]
but I better get editing, I might fall off :o
07:34:48 [yalaforge]
* yalaforge used to be 100 mods or so behind Go186K when he was topmod
07:34:55 [nikki_]
* nikki_ remembers when she was on the top mods list with 10,000
07:35:30 [nikki_]
plenty of strange japanese stuff I could do
07:36:00 [yalaforge]
the xhtml stuff is more important
07:36:07 [nikki_]
yeah
07:36:19 [nikki_]
* nikki_ can't be bothered with strange japanese stuff right now anyway
07:36:43 [Nyght]
yeah, I think the xhtml is much more important, though granted more in the background. The people that matter know it.
07:36:54 [ArgoNavis]
nikki_: Thanks for the link, but I have a literacy problem. Is that really the group "Jon"?
07:36:56 [yalaforge]
* yalaforge is going to "view source" from time to time :-)
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07:37:21 [nikki_]
I spent yesterday doing S.E.S.'s stuff, I got all the japanese and korean releases added, but now I have to try and find actual listings for the taiwan releases
07:37:39 [nikki_]
ArgoNavis: yes, it is, what are you trying to find out?
07:37:55 [nikki_]
but I did at least 80 mods on them :o
07:38:00 [nikki_]
but now their page looks nice :)
07:38:27 [nikki_]
* nikki_ doesn't actually know if she even likes S.E.S....
07:39:09 [ArgoNavis]
Up until a few hours ago, there was only one "Jon" in MB, and it has both albums from a Danish kid who performs as "Jon", but also an Avant-Garde Japanese group performing as "Jon". I separated out the artists, but although I'm pretty whose...
07:39:24 [nikki_]
you're pretty whose?
07:39:35 [ArgoNavis]
...whose albums are whose, I can't really prove it, since every other site has also gotten them kerfuddled.
07:39:52 [ArgoNavis]
I am *not* pretty whose. Take that back. ;-)
07:40:04 [nikki_]
* nikki_ looks
07:40:40 [ArgoNavis]
* ArgoNavis he wonders "yes, but does nikki see?" (in a chinese-wise-man kinda way)
07:41:19 [Nyght]
pretty sure whose albums are whos.
07:41:30 [Nyght]
he's been bugging me about it while I've been pounding away at ar's.
07:41:30 [Nyght]
:D
07:41:46 [ArgoNavis]
None of them are The Who. It's *Jon*.
07:42:02 [Nyght]
did I say The Who?
07:42:14 [nikki_]
* nikki_ grins
07:42:16 [ArgoNavis]
You were thinking it. I just know it.
07:42:21 [Nyght]
No! I said Whose are Whos! Get your brain out of The Who!
07:42:22 [Nyght]
:D
07:42:55 [Nyght]
If I was thinking Roger Dalttry I woulda said Roger Daltry. :runs to insure that's The Who:
07:43:11 [ArgoNavis]
If my brain were into The Who, I'd be looking into Tommy, not Jonny.
07:43:24 [Nyght]
Tommy. :D
07:43:36 [ArgoNavis]
To quote a famous time traveller... nobody knows who's Who, anymore.
07:43:51 [Nyght]
Okay.. now you can give me crap for mainstream pop!
07:43:54 [ArgoNavis]
I need a Japanese person who doesn't speak Danish.
07:44:01 [Nyght]
* Nyght gags as I delete Debbie Gibson
07:44:10 [Nyght]
Granted.. old mainstream../ but. still.
07:44:15 [Nyght]
* Nyght chokes
07:44:18 [nikki_]
* nikki_ is taking a short break to look up this jon band
07:44:31 [ArgoNavis]
... you, you light up my life...
07:44:45 [ArgoNavis]
What melody. What phrasing.
07:44:48 [Nyght]
* Nyght hides to not hear the song, turns up TSO
07:45:04 [Nyght]
Etta James anyone?
07:47:19 [Nyght]
* Nyght thinks ArgoNavis is mean, thinks of deleting all those ar's
07:47:29 [Nyght]
:) j/k
07:48:20 [ArgoNavis]
Because of my affection for the sincerity and musical integrity of Debbie Gibson?
07:49:00 [Nyght]
No. because that song is sooooo old, and was played so much it actually crowded everything else out, including my currently playing music!
07:49:34 [Nyght]
and I thought that was debby boone?
07:49:39 [Nyght]
pat boone's daughter
07:50:03 [Nyght]
Yep http://www.romantic-lyrics.com/ly6.shtml
07:50:04 [ArgoNavis]
Heh. Yeah... :-) I have someone else I'm tormenting with "Delta Dawn, what's that flower you have on... could it be a faded rose from days gone by?" <snicker />
07:50:05 [Nyght]
:)
07:50:15 [Nyght]
Now, I love that song. :D
07:50:38 [ArgoNavis]
Don't dislike it... but it did get a bit overused... as it were.
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07:51:11 [Nyght]
* Nyght snickers ah, come on... tell me you didn't just love Olivia Newton John's physical
07:51:22 [Nyght]
* Nyght mean wicked grin
07:51:43 [ArgoNavis]
Ha. So it was Debbie Boone. All the Debbies just start to meld... There's probably a reason. They're clones.
07:52:11 [Nyght]
No, they're not.... I've seen Debbie Boone, she looks nothing like the other Debbie
07:52:18 [ArgoNavis]
You just want me to say (in a Groucho kinda way, with the requisite cigar wag) "I'd just love to give Olivia a physical..."
07:52:31 [Nyght]
LOL
07:54:24 [nikki_]
I found a picture of the benten unplugged CD
07:54:29 [nikki_]
but it's kinda blurry
07:54:59 [Nyght]
how small is it? I might be able to clean it up if there's anything to work with.
07:55:07 [Nyght]
if it's to try and deduce this Jon mess.
07:55:16 [Nyght]
or needed for something else.
07:57:29 [ArgoNavis]
We may have seen the same site. But then there are sites like:
07:57:30 [ArgoNavis]
http://www.mmguide.musicmatch.com/artist/artist.cgi/?ARTISTID=347626
07:58:26 [ArgoNavis]
That link has the picture of the Japanese Jon, with an album from the Danish Jon (This Side Up). And neither of these two groups has had the common decency of being sufficiently arrogant to have their own agrandizing website with discography. Bah!
07:58:50 [juhae]
hmm http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=216577
07:59:21 [nikki]
http://img43.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/6/4/9/9/sennenoukoku-img600x397-1104401350dcp_0431.jpg tiny text :/
08:01:12 [ArgoNavis]
juhae: Very strange. I can't make much sense of it.
08:01:35 [nikki]
http://www.tzadik.com/index.php?catalog=7210
08:01:37 [Nyght]
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~XG6Y-WTNB/jon/jon1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~XG6Y-WTNB/jon.html&h=118&w=118&sz=11&tbnid=wD-jUiNJ0NeT8M:&tbnh=82&tbnw=82&hl=en&start=67&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJon%2Bdisc%2Bcd%2B-john%26start%3D60%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official_s%26sa%3DN
08:01:52 [nikki]
the japanese one has an album called smoke, definitely
08:02:20 [nikki]
that link doesn't work
08:02:32 [ArgoNavis]
nikki: Another good lead on the pic, regarding Benten.
08:02:48 [Nyght]
the one I just put up nikki?
08:02:49 [ArgoNavis]
Nyght: Doesn't work for me either. (I'm not keen on Iced Earth, btw :-) )
08:02:52 [nikki]
yeah
08:02:55 [juhae]
ArgoNavis: Rather bizarre.
08:03:05 [Nyght]
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~XG6Y-WTNB/jon.html
08:03:06 [Nyght]
there
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08:03:07 [Nyght]
sorry
08:03:17 [Nyght]
Think that may actually clarify a lot.
08:04:38 [ArgoNavis]
juhae: Very. My French fails me on that babble. I may be horribly unfair, but it is as unintelligible to me, as I'm guessing English hax0r-speak would be to a French person. I'd be suspicious.
08:04:54 [juhae]
I dropped the N-bomb on them already
08:04:58 [juhae]
Yikes http://musicbrainz.org/album/6e52f928-af20-402d-a28e-d0aa23f332c5.html
08:05:39 [Nyght]
Yeah, I could clean it up.. but, let me know if you need it after that other link.
08:06:19 [ArgoNavis]
Nyght: That's a nice link. Sure looks like a discography to me.
08:06:38 [nikki]
the link I posted had a discography too, but maybe you didn't realise (it's not much good anyway)
08:06:49 [nikki]
http://shibuya.cool.ne.jp/jonthedog/disk.html see
08:07:25 [Nyght]
Ah, I didn't see that link earlier. Sorry. I just saw the artwork.
08:07:29 [nikki]
:)
08:07:30 [Nyght]
* Nyght sheepish sorries
08:07:37 [nikki]
no, it's ok
08:07:41 [nikki]
yours has more info
08:07:53 [ArgoNavis]
nikki: No, I didn't notice the discography. I'm sorry. I saw everything up until the last slash... bust missed the rest.
08:07:53 [Nyght]
I thought it looked like it did. I can't translate it though.
08:09:01 [nikki]
me neither, but it doesn't look like particularly useful info
08:09:10 [ArgoNavis]
However, there is no reference to the "Benten" disk. I mean, it's logical to assume that that's the Japanese "Jon", but...
08:10:33 [Nyght]
Benton has a track labeled Jon
08:10:34 [nikki_]
I found references to the benten disc being jazz and also one saying it was released in 1996, which would match with their other releases
08:10:41 [Nyght]
I think that's why it popped the search?
08:10:44 [ArgoNavis]
juhae: Well, that last link is pretty good, too. I can actually read some of it... "Ham & double cheese"
08:11:32 [ArgoNavis]
I don't think Benten has a track "Jon", I think that's the performer. The track name is some suitably frightening Japanese thing.
08:11:44 [nikki_]
* nikki_ laughs
08:13:42 [Nyght]
http://zookeeper.stanford.edu/index.php?s=byAlbumKey&n=304546&q=&action=search&session=
08:14:42 [ArgoNavis]
Yeah, that's a playlist from a radio station...
08:15:08 [Nyght]
That is the track list of that Benten dsic
08:15:11 [ArgoNavis]
I don't think there's any alternative. I'm going to have to hop a plane for Denmark. Get me some face time with Jon.
08:15:46 [ArgoNavis]
Yeah, but it just says that Jon did it. Could be the Danish Jon, you know. Maybe he's bi-lingual. :-/
08:15:49 [Nyght]
You were corect about the track and artist thing though ArgoNavis
08:16:12 [Nyght]
I think that's the other Jon. :D Not "cute" Jon in Denmark. :D
08:16:29 [ArgoNavis]
Oh, trust me, while you were busy doing productive work, I was wasting my time away learning about hyper-sexed little Danish boys. :-/
08:16:32 [Nyght]
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail.asp?sku=694765/rmivars%3Ftarget=_top
08:17:00 [g0llum]
german only, but very interesting :) http://futurezone.orf.at/it/stories/101235/
08:17:53 [nikki_]
g0llum: a summary? :)
08:18:01 [Nyght]
LOL ArgoNavis
08:18:07 [Nyght]
* Nyght rolling
08:18:19 [Nyght]
well I spend my time with men my own age!
08:18:39 [Nyght]
* Nyght hurting from laughing so hard
08:19:44 [ArgoNavis]
Geek sickness?!? Sheesh. I spike my Mountain Dew with Centrum Plus. That way I have energy, water, AND nutrition.
08:23:44 [ArgoNavis]
So, essentially, it has taken MusicForBrainz to get me cavorting with Danish boys in the middle of the night. Ye gods. How far I've sunk.
08:24:12 [ArgoNavis]
It must be Geek-Sickness.
08:24:25 [ArgoNavis]
It's probably in DSM IV. :-/
08:26:03 [Nyght]
very much geek sickness.. ;)
08:26:14 [Nyght]
but, what was your take on the playlist?
08:26:36 [ArgoNavis]
Just in the interests of sharing, I would like to categorically state that I'm trying to prove that he:
08:26:36 [ArgoNavis]
http://www.capitolmusic.de/xml/1/3251959/index.html
08:26:36 [ArgoNavis]
is NOT -- I repeat NOT -- a Japanese Electric/Avant-Garde/Minimalist group of several members.
08:27:15 [Nyght]
but, to do that you have to focus on which is which, or am I lost and have been the whole time?
08:27:29 [Nyght]
I mean, it's sorta obvious which albums to move. I don't think Benten is his VA
08:27:37 [Nyght]
it's sold at too many japanese sites.
08:28:31 [ArgoNavis]
Yes, everyone lists them as "Jon", as though they are clones. Them -- "Jon" -- is a Danish Japanese Electric/Pop/Avant-Garde/Schmaltz/Minimalist group of simultaneously 1, or several members depending upon Schroedinger's Cat.
08:29:24 [Nyght]
which is a hard confusion.
08:29:38 [Nyght]
most places aren't set up to handle the varied different group names.
08:30:12 [Nyght]
thankfully mb has that ability. So, we're unwinding and separating the twins from birth and giving the Danish boy his own space and the Japanese group their own space.
08:30:31 [ArgoNavis]
Well, it'd be okay if they just were big enough performers to have their own websites. But these guys aren't, it would seem.
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08:40:47 [Nyght]
Nikki, did you make any sense out of the disco?
08:41:58 [nikki_]
g0llum: would you prefer these diffs by email or as urls?
08:42:08 [g0llum]
e-mails
08:42:08 [nikki_]
Nyght: nope, I did say only a short break ;)
08:42:36 [nikki_]
grml ;)
08:42:40 [Nyght]
ah, I'm sorry!
08:42:53 [Nyght]
I got lost in laughter. ;)
08:43:11 [Nyght]
visions of cute little danish boys dancing in my head. :)
08:49:07 [g0llum]
nikki_: what do you feel?
08:49:16 [g0llum]
should we use <strong> and <em> instead of <b> and <i>
08:49:44 [nikki_]
* nikki_ does so personally in her own code
08:50:02 [nikki_]
if you want to, I'll be all for it :)
08:51:19 [g0llum]
dunno. i've read somewhere one should still use <b> if it's only for visual enhancement
08:51:49 [nikki_]
hmm...
08:52:55 [nikki_]
* nikki_ would use css for only visual stuff
08:53:01 [nikki_]
you decide
08:53:14 [nikki_]
just ask matthias how good at making decisions I am ;)
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08:55:05 [g0llum]
<span class="bold"></span>
08:55:06 [Nyght]
I would suggest the <b> and <i> too, it's older and more known... but.. I wasn't asked. ;)
08:55:13 [g0llum]
that's insane how much markup that is :)
08:55:44 [g0llum]
luks has to decide :p
08:56:01 [Nyght]
well true g0llum
09:06:55 [nikki_]
eek, 111 warnings for a voting page :o
09:07:15 [Nyght]
ouch!
09:13:32 [nikki_]
eeeeeeek!
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09:20:43 [g0llum]
nikki_: i have a working prototype of a diff thingie which we could use in the mod listing. that will require a complete rewrite/replacing of the fields to make sense
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09:35:48 [nikki_]
guess how many warnings bach's page has?
09:36:02 [nikki_]
* nikki_ was on the phone
09:36:40 [nikki_]
g0llum: ooh?
09:37:38 [g0llum]
yeah albums times x
09:38:05 [nikki_]
10763 :o
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10:13:43 [ArgoNavis]
nikki_: Thanks for your help earlier!
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10:44:49 [inhouseuk]
Hmm, it seems http://musicbrainz.org/user/view.html?uid=201470 has created two extra accounts to vote for themself http://musicbrainz.org/user/view.html?uid=216327 and http://musicbrainz.org/user/view.html?uid=216981
10:44:55 [nikki_]
hi inhouseuk
10:45:03 [inhouseuk]
hi nikki
10:46:09 [inhouseuk]
has your new dvd drive arrived?
10:47:52 [nikki_]
sorta
10:48:00 [Nyght]
hi inhouseuk
10:48:09 [inhouseuk]
what'd mean sorta?
10:48:15 [inhouseuk]
hi Nyght
10:48:19 [catmo]
time of day!
10:48:29 [inhouseuk]
howdy mo
10:49:57 [Nyght]
ugh.. yum, voting for themselves.. wonderful
10:50:05 [nikki_]
well, they tried to deliver it.
10:50:06 [Nyght]
hi mo!
10:50:12 [nikki_]
but nobody can hear the doorbell
10:50:28 [nikki_]
especially not me!
10:51:16 [inhouseuk]
ah! that's not good
10:51:41 [inhouseuk]
maybe you need one fitted with a flashing light on it
10:53:30 [nikki_]
I need *something*
10:53:37 [nikki_]
* nikki_ checked, they haven't been today yet
10:53:53 [nikki_]
even the guy downstairs can't hear it though
10:53:58 [nikki_]
because we have three doors
10:54:06 [nikki_]
the outside door, the inside door, and the doors to our flats
10:54:31 [Nyght]
maybe keep an eye out the window to hopefully see the delivery vehicle?
10:54:37 [nikki_]
all day?
10:54:39 [inhouseuk]
leave a note on the first door for them
10:54:46 [nikki_]
saying what?
10:55:41 [inhouseuk]
something like, delivery for flat x please call xxxx xxxxxx
10:55:57 [inhouseuk]
and explain the bell is faulty
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* nikki_ 's stomach rumbles
11:01:34 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk recommends food
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* nikki_ wonders what to have
11:03:46 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk loves this quote
11:03:51 [inhouseuk]
A chocolate you did not want to eat, does not count as chocolate.
11:04:45 [inhouseuk]
this discovery is from the same branch of culinary physics that determined that food eaten while walking contains no calories
11:06:08 [Nyght]
I will have to remember those two quotes. :D
11:08:12 [inhouseuk]
I think they are from a Terry Pratchett novel
11:08:28 [Nyght]
Ringworld?
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11:09:16 [inhouseuk]
not sure, my wife is reading some of his books at the moment and she gave those quotes to me
11:09:52 [Nyght]
ah. :) I thought the one sounded familiar. I don't recall which Pratchet books I've read though.
11:10:04 [Nyght]
the no calories while walking one. :D
11:10:49 [Nyght]
so, in the matter of a moderator. creating for themselves their own automodding situation? What is the course of action?
11:11:41 [nikki_]
Nyght: hmm?
11:12:57 [nikki_]
* nikki_ munches
11:13:04 [inhouseuk]
there is nothing we can do 'officially' apart from indicate to them they've been rumbled
11:13:22 [Nyght]
(4:44:47 AM) inhouseuk: Hmm, it seems http://musicbrainz.org/user/view.html?uid=201470 has created two extra accounts to vote for themself http://musicbrainz.org/user/view.html?uid=216327 and http://musicbrainz.org/user/view.html?uid=216981
11:13:43 [Nyght]
Mmm.. that sucks.
11:16:14 [Nyght]
The sad thing is no all of their mods look like shit... some of them, certainly, and they could take the time to actually learn the style guide. :shrugs: but< I haven't looked that indepth.
11:27:54 [inhouseuk]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4568012 is the one where I suspected something fishy was going on
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11:28:55 [Nyght]
ah, I started dirtying up the votes too.
11:29:06 [Nyght]
;) I need to vote more anyways.
11:34:01 [juhae]
Just how big a loser you have to be to start creating multiple accounts just to get your own mods through. :P
11:34:50 [inhouseuk]
also http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4567114
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11:44:34 [HairMetalAddict]
Definitely need some way to deal with that. It's pretty much the only "big problem" using a voting system. Very easy to do a mod, use 3 fake accounts to instantly yes-vote it in... This one's just very bad at gaming the system. ;-)
11:46:01 [Nyght]
discouragement can be such a difficult thing to overcome though.
11:46:44 [Nyght]
course. it would be nice if ip addies cna be tracked.
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11:49:42 [inhouseuk]
grr, stupid wireless access point :(
11:49:54 [Nyght]
wb
11:50:32 [Nyght]
inhouseuk: is there a way to track the ip addy? Sorta like a flag?
11:51:10 [inhouseuk]
only on the server logs
11:51:12 [nikki_]
* nikki_ thinks people simply shouldn't be able to vote for the first week or so
11:51:40 [nikki_]
it wouldn't stop people from creating more accounts, but it would thwart the ones who think they can vote on their *current* mods ;)
11:51:57 [Nyght]
because it almost seems prudent for people that do this to have a flag that goes up for each auxilary account created.
11:52:13 [nikki_]
'cause the mod will most likely have passed or failed by the time they're able to vote
11:54:37 [catmo]
* catmo is away: støvesugerspisedusj
11:55:17 [inhouseuk]
something like a probation period
11:56:18 [catmo]
actually
11:56:36 [catmo]
* catmo is away: støvsugerbibliotekkattemat
11:57:01 [inhouseuk]
library something or another
11:57:10 [nikki_]
hoovering, to the library...
11:57:17 [nikki_]
turning the cats into mats? :o
11:57:51 [nikki_]
inhouseuk: yeah, that
11:57:58 [nikki_]
I think there already is one for non-album tracks
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12:00:33 [nikki_]
hi again again again g0llum
12:01:27 [Nyght]
well unless it's in the last six months, there wasn't nikki
12:01:59 [nikki_]
I think I'm going to risk taking a nap
12:02:08 [nikki_]
let's hope my alarm clock works today
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* inhouseuk groans
12:18:16 [inhouseuk]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4583215
12:18:36 [inhouseuk]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4583122
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12:32:38 [Shepard]
moin
12:33:31 [Mudcrow]
moin
12:52:33 [nikki_]
hi simon!
12:59:26 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk decides to get some fresh air by strolling to the local shops
12:59:33 [inhouseuk]
back a little later
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15:03:40 [teleGUISE]
Hello there all....
15:04:25 [nikki_]
hi
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15:04:49 [teleGUISE]
Anyone want to try and explain this -apparent- server glitch .. http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4542460 <-- note the status
15:05:48 [teleGUISE]
though it received a yes at the top of the hour it decided to fail it anyway?!? i think da server waz confoozed
15:05:51 [Nyght]
hi teleGUISE. it says status deleted, don't know if that means anything
15:06:53 [nikki_]
it didn't fail
15:07:08 [teleGUISE]
Nyght... it said it failed a second ago
15:07:16 [teleGUISE]
that was really weird
15:07:36 [Nyght]
Who knows?
15:08:03 [Nyght]
maybe the digital ferries are playing in your computer. :?
15:08:07 [teleGUISE]
i wish i still had the screen shot
15:08:44 [inhouseuk]
it looks like the submitter deleted it after you voted
15:10:01 [Nyght]
I'm not saying you didn't see it correctly.. I'm just saying there are weird beasties in computers and they do unexplainable things.
15:10:51 [inhouseuk]
commonly known as gremlins
15:11:20 [Nyght]
thank you inhouseuk. I couldn't recall the term for them. :D
15:11:30 [Nyght]
I kept picturing Gizmo and Stripe though.
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15:12:30 [teleGUISE]
i didn't vote.. thenewfnshow20 did... I am 99% sure it was that mod there is a 1% chance it was a mod he made on that album and I saw the word Failed and missed "Dependency"
15:12:45 [Shepard]
* Shepard just found some of those weird beasties in his keyboard
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15:13:05 [nikki_]
bah, every time I turn my back, the number of foreign artists with no latin sortname multiply
15:13:23 [nikki_]
huh!
15:13:56 [teleGUISE]
in any case... I'm not sure why he added all that info, answered my request for catalog # info and then deleted the mod... must be as confoozed as the server was ;)
15:13:57 [nikki_]
* nikki_ really is starting to think it's subliminal german advertising
15:14:23 [Shepard]
?
15:14:30 [nikki_]
demonhunter's hostmask is .de
15:14:54 [teleGUISE]
errr.. I think it should be -mandatory- to submit a release you must include track times... this is becoming a bad habit of many people
15:15:41 [nikki_]
* nikki_ doesn't agree
15:16:16 [nikki_]
I would have to use 0:01 if that happened :o
15:16:17 [teleGUISE]
how come?? why bother adding it then... only thing i see it good for is when viewing the crystal ball for future date releases
15:16:19 [inhouseuk]
if they're made mandatory, they'll enter any old crap
15:16:29 [nikki_]
teleGUISE: because I can't always find them
15:16:38 [nikki_]
and I like making nice complete japanese discographies
15:16:49 [nikki_]
so I can't just ignore the entire release!
15:17:03 [Shepard]
* Shepard doesn'T agree, too
15:17:05 [Shepard]
t
15:17:37 [teleGUISE]
i can see your point as i do that why i find small artists to complete the discog but then i just dont enter those releases without times .. i figure someone who really has it would know best and could add it then
15:18:15 [nikki_]
I figure that if someone has the release, they can complete any info I couldn't find
15:18:31 [teleGUISE]
why have it in the database?? If someone is going to tag the track the surely would have to know the time
15:18:38 [Shepard]
even discogs accepts releases without times ;)
15:18:40 [mustaqila]
Thanks for the modnote tele ; )
15:18:46 [nikki_]
because I like completeness!
15:19:13 [Mudcrow]
errr.. I think it should be -mandatory- to submit a release you must include track times... this is becoming a bad habit of many people no way and never ever
15:19:14 [teleGUISE]
speaking of no track time crystal ball albums.. uh ummm mustaqila
15:19:26 [Shepard]
I guess it's the same as me not agreeing with your album remove mods tele
15:19:28 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila coughs
15:19:34 [mustaqila]
I have my sources for music and I likes them
15:19:47 [nikki_]
sure, mb is used for tagging, but it can also be used as artist discographies
15:19:57 [teleGUISE]
well i see a lot of people are opposed... and all you guys stink :) so can you fix all the damn ?:?? releases in the db please!?
15:20:11 [Mudcrow]
I aint ripping 1000's of vinyl just to satisfy someones need to have a track time
15:20:13 [nikki_]
as soon as you fix all the non-latin sortnames
15:20:21 [mustaqila]
As soon as you feed me chocolate
15:20:28 [mustaqila]
And make pweeding faster
15:20:51 [nikki_]
what it comes down to is that different people have different priorities for what we should include
15:21:08 [Mudcrow]
muz muz: what the minimum track time thats recognised at last.fm?
15:21:08 [mustaqila]
Highest priority is teh lulz
15:21:12 [Shepard]
nothing to fix, tele. it's just missing, not wrong
15:21:13 [mustaqila]
31 seconds
15:21:20 [teleGUISE]
there's many albums wth pweeds and trm's that still don't have track times... which means people -don't- care and don't bother adding there times.. they just want to tag there music and move on...
15:21:24 [Shepard]
and for some albums it's just hard to find the data
15:21:25 [nikki_]
teleGUISE like track times and label/catalogue info, zout is hellbent on release type/status
15:21:30 [nikki_]
likes not like
15:21:30 [Mudcrow]
bugger
15:21:38 [mustaqila]
Although, if yuor plugin supports MBID submissions, it will submit it if smaller than 30 seconds
15:21:44 [mustaqila]
And on Windows, you're limited to iTunes
15:22:10 [Mudcrow]
hasnt submitted any yet
15:22:22 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila shrugs
15:22:45 [mustaqila]
Besides the real guy to ask about MBID stuffs is Russ, but according to shareavi it's a surefire way to be annoying or something
15:23:19 [Nyght]
muz you are not
15:23:26 [mustaqila]
Hmmm?
15:23:35 [teleGUISE]
nikki_ yea I've noticed that ;) ... i see your point and like the idea you try to complete discogs but your a different breed your of the "Angelic Asshat" :D .. I know you'll fill them in when you find them...
15:23:36 [mustaqila]
I'm not <adjective>
15:23:42 [mustaqila]
Please complete that sentence
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15:23:49 [Nyght]
wait, you're saying <MBID doesn't work in windows?
15:23:54 [Nyght]
I think I just got confused.
15:24:03 [mustaqila]
MBID submissions only work on certain plug ins
15:24:05 [Mudcrow]
MBID works in itunes
15:24:15 [mustaqila]
As far as I know, the only plugins that do support them are the iTunes ones
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15:24:25 [mustaqila]
WinAmp and WMP currently don't, nor does foobar2000
15:24:38 [Nyght]
Ah, okay. I was confused. :D
15:24:53 [Nyght]
though I thought I'd submitted smaller than 30 seconds with media monkey. I'll have to check.
15:25:06 [Mudcrow]
but I thouht tracks with MBIDs were recognised whatever the track time, but it didnt recognise any track under 31 seconds long
15:25:33 [mustaqila]
Media Monkey uses the Winamp plugin aye?
15:25:40 [mustaqila]
Thus, no MBID submission iirc
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15:26:34 [Nyght]
aye
15:26:35 [nikki_]
hi again matthias!
15:26:40 [yalaforge]
hi
15:26:43 [Nyght]
and I will have to test your theory. ;)
15:26:54 [mustaqila]
you're welcome too
15:27:06 [mustaqila]
Also, if using itunes, MB tag a song, then crap all over it manually, keeping those MBIDs stuffs
15:27:14 [mustaqila]
Play it and it should be corrected server side \o/
15:27:28 [teleGUISE]
Shepard: it needs fixin and is broken cuz ?:?? doesn't match any of my track times .. missing would be not having the full track title
15:27:41 [Shepard]
bullshit
15:30:58 [Nyght]
I use itunes for one thing.. and that's purchasing songs. burning to disc so I can rip them to my normal library.
15:33:54 [Shepard]
mustaqila: that's not what I observed. playing with MBIDs submits incorrect tracktitles because it doesn't care at all about the title I submitted but looks up the ID in their MB DB copy and take the title from there. and their copy is *really* old
15:34:09 [mustaqila]
Hmm strange
15:34:17 [Shepard]
so last.fm + MBID submit = sucks
15:35:19 [Mudcrow]
I agree shepard. Its really annoying to see all my correctly tagged tracks with MBIDs get renamed by last.fm
15:35:43 [tru]
works fine i xmms2-scrobbler :)
15:35:58 [toxickore]
also xmms-scrobbler
15:36:29 [teleGUISE]
how often does last.fm pull a copy of the MB db?
15:36:46 [mustaqila]
I've seen it import URL and Band member ARs over night
15:36:48 [HairMetalAddict]
MBID submission isn't quite what it's going to be yet. Should clear up with future "major overhauls" eventually. The MB integration there is only a partial job at this point.
15:37:17 [toxickore]
HairMetalAddict: hey dude, what about trading? =)
15:38:09 [Mudcrow]
last.fm is very quick with ARs, seems very slow updating Artist or album/track name changes though
15:38:11 [HairMetalAddict]
They've got a big hurdle in that last.fm has never distinguished (trackname) from one album from (sametrackname) on a different album. Which leaves things like album charts a mess.
15:38:36 [HairMetalAddict]
Well, that's also a helluva lot more data to deal with, and their servers are overloaded as it is...
15:39:19 [HairMetalAddict]
At least, that's my impression.
15:39:29 [yalaforge]
well, charts would be worse if they used MBIDs instead of track names, I guess
15:39:53 [Shepard]
from what I know they don't update tracktitles at all. at least I think that's what russ said
15:40:07 [HairMetalAddict]
Track charts might. Album charts, on the other hand, would be a lot more accurate. ;-)
15:40:24 [yalaforge]
HairMetalAddict: hmm, right
15:40:26 [HairMetalAddict]
Probably not at this point, no. It's been mentioned about doing it, though.
15:40:48 [yalaforge]
one of the problems with their MB integration is that MB isn't very nice to them
15:41:16 [yalaforge]
we have no schema support in our DB schema, so it's a lot of work to import the DB
15:41:17 [teleGUISE]
besides this needing to be changed - http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ModerationFAQ?highlight=%28worldwide%29#head-1bc85cf2d2b066d41f3a98e3c64001b51927e202 - .. i don't see any info stating a baseline for what [worldwide] is... has this been discussed?
15:42:09 [yalaforge]
"no schema" == no postgres schema, in the musicbrainz.tablename style
15:42:58 [Shepard]
teleGUISE: yeah that FAQ entry is out of date
15:45:34 [Shepard]
I guess it should be completly removed - dunno if the new ones are completly documented somewhere already
15:45:39 [Mudcrow]
pweebing seems very slow today
15:46:07 [teleGUISE]
Shepard: I've change it to reflect the option to choose worldwide but would like to know as well as add what baseline has been determined for [worldwide] 2, 3 , 4 countries?
15:47:45 [teleGUISE]
anyone???
15:47:52 [Shepard]
* Shepard whistles
15:48:14 [teleGUISE]
well then ill just continue to add US UK and Germany and screw the rest of the world :)
15:48:30 [Mudcrow]
erm... a release that the record label says is "worldwide"
15:48:41 [HairMetalAddict]
worldwide = my apartment. I consider everywhere else to be outer space. ... I have a very small world. ;-)
15:48:47 [teleGUISE]
and a few Japan one's just cuz they are different
15:49:00 [nikki_]
internet releases
15:49:41 [Mudcrow]
yeah internet release are worldwide
15:50:35 [teleGUISE]
well... technically not totally worldwide... what about countries with no or banned internet access ;)?
15:51:01 [Mudcrow]
you know...I knew you were going to say that
15:51:12 [HairMetalAddict]
Think about the penguins in Antarctica with no net access!
15:51:14 [Mudcrow]
and my answer... fuck em
15:51:57 [teleGUISE]
poor Penguins don't know what there missin'
15:52:10 [teleGUISE]
they're
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15:52:40 [Nyght]
on that note.. ;) I'm outta here. Have a good time of a 24 hour period. (just to be politically correct. )
15:53:32 [Nyght]
* Nyght decides to change it to music time.. or, bummin time.. or something as equally absurd:: asstop time. :)
15:54:05 [Nyght]
asshat.. err, my bad.
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15:55:07 [nikki_]
it's hardly the person releasing it's fault if someone censors them :o
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15:55:52 [teleGUISE]
they should release it via carrier pigeon then ;)
15:56:11 [teleGUISE]
...though they probably would get shot down in those countries too
15:57:24 [teleGUISE]
inhouseuk - nikki_ : do you guys still make a current report for my US tueday's?
15:58:07 [teleGUISE]
thought i saved the links but cant find them
15:58:25 [nikki_]
?
15:59:05 [teleGUISE]
hmm found a like to inhouseuk 's not tuesday crono sort that seems like its crunching his disc on
16:00:14 [teleGUISE]
nikki_ forgot you just made me the October 25th 1990 US list...
16:02:16 [teleGUISE]
is that report still available?? just to be sure none haven't snuck in since the clean up?
16:03:21 [inhouseuk]
teleGUISE: they're still setup in the same place as before
16:04:17 [inhouseuk]
http://www.mb.inhouse.co.uk/amzbogus.html
16:04:27 [teleGUISE]
inhouseuk .. can't find the links :( .. well i found the one... and sorry I keep forgetting that Not US tuesday list is on the fly so every time I hit refresh it blows your hd up
16:04:54 [inhouseuk]
don't refresh it then :)
16:05:01 [teleGUISE]
well not refresh... per se.. mean hit the link
16:05:42 [inhouseuk]
if you're using ff, you can right click on the link and say open in new tab
16:06:09 [inhouseuk]
that way the list stays in one tab
16:06:25 [teleGUISE]
yeah.. i do.. normally but meant if i work on it a bit then come back later I usually close the tab since its a major memory hog
16:07:57 [inhouseuk]
ff is only a memory hog because of its design to hold recently viewed pages in memory, you can turn that off
16:07:57 [teleGUISE]
i could just save a local copy here.. which would probably be the easiest
16:08:43 [teleGUISE]
yea but then my forward and back browsing of other pages go to the birds then... causing reloads all the time...
16:10:19 [inhouseuk]
reloads and frequently used pages/images should come from the disc cache, they don't need to be held in memory
16:10:45 [teleGUISE]
ewww.. looks like another Maxtor bites the dust... yuck... trying to fix a computer and retrieve data for this customer but i don't think they are going to be very happy when I tell them they are probably screwed... SpinRite has been running for 9 hours and still had 457 more hours to go !!!!
16:11:06 [inhouseuk]
set browser.sessionhistory.max_entries to 0 in about:config and you'll find the memory footprint more managable
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16:11:49 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk refuses to buy maxtors after the last couple of failures
16:12:44 [teleGUISE]
i believe i played with that before and ran into other issues... problem is i have too many tabs open and try to do more things at once then i have hands for :)
16:14:27 [inhouseuk]
have some extra hands attached OR don't open as many tabs :)
16:15:15 [teleGUISE]
i never really have ran into a disc that sounds fine be this screwed up... usually its a section or a few sections... this is almost like the head crashed then fixed itself which i wouldnt think would happen
16:16:42 [teleGUISE]
hmmm wonder how many heads and platters this drive has...
16:17:01 [inhouseuk]
with the height the heads fly above the surface, it doesn't take much to cause a problem
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lots of people don't realise you can't use a standard hdd in a vacuum
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16:19:07 [teleGUISE]
this is the smallest of the series.. so i'm guessing 1 platter, 2 heads...
16:22:14 [teleGUISE]
damn maxtor can't keep their spec info consistent one series they tell you the platter capacity another they don't .. 1 series they tell you the platter amount others they dont...
16:23:14 [teleGUISE]
inhouseuk: they don't like clogged/covered vent holes either ;)
16:23:31 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk nods
16:25:20 [teleGUISE]
hee... i like how maxtor uses motor(s) plural... one might think the hard drive has multiple motors :)
16:26:17 [tru]
In Flames <3
16:26:25 [teleGUISE]
well guess at this point ill give it the deep freeze test and see if it makes it worse or any better for finding data
16:27:42 [teleGUISE]
though doubt much will change at this point since not seeming mechanical
16:31:06 [teleGUISE]
oh they will really be pissed to find out the warranty ended 3 weeks ago.. and i bet the buggers won't still cover it.. without a receipt
16:34:09 [teleGUISE]
their retail boxed drives are all still 1 year what a bunch of crap!
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16:38:02 [iikii]
it there something wrong with musicbrainz for the moment?
16:38:49 [teleGUISE]
meaning what?
16:39:26 [iikii]
when I look up an album, "Loading album information" stays
16:39:37 [iikii]
without adding tracks
16:39:47 [yalaforge]
please define "musicbrainz"
16:39:53 [iikii]
ok sorry
16:40:08 [asmodai]
yalaforge: You. :)
16:40:19 [iikii]
I am using Musicbrainz picard 0.6.0
16:40:42 [yalaforge]
ahh. which operating system?
16:40:49 [iikii]
xp
16:40:51 [iikii]
sp2
16:41:28 [yalaforge]
anyone else here who still uses 0.6.0?
16:41:36 [asmodai]
nuh uh
16:42:04 [yalaforge]
iikii: you could use the 0.7.0 beta, perhaps that works better for you
16:42:07 [iikii]
ok I received an error message now, I will post the log error
16:42:28 [iikii]
0.6.0 used to work ok for me
16:42:50 [iikii]
can I post the error here?
16:42:58 [yalaforge]
how long is it?
16:43:07 [iikii]
5 lines
16:43:10 [yalaforge]
sure
16:43:12 [iikii]
7
16:43:14 [iikii]
Exception in thread Thread-3:
16:43:14 [iikii]
Traceback (most recent call last):
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File "threading.pyc", line 442, in __bootstrap
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File "lib\albummanager.pyc", line 419, in run
16:43:14 [iikii]
File "lib\album.pyc", line 336, in load
16:43:15 [iikii]
File "musicbrainz.pyc", line 141, in QueryWithArgs
16:43:17 [iikii]
WindowsError: exception: access violation reading 0x00000000
16:43:38 [yalaforge]
oops.
16:44:09 [iikii]
I will try 0.7.0 :)
16:44:11 [yalaforge]
well, at least it's no python error
16:44:49 [yalaforge]
0.7.0 uses a different ws to load the album data, so at least you won't see this problem again
16:44:51 [yalaforge]
maybe others
16:53:53 [iikii]
where do I find this beta release for wo
16:53:58 [iikii]
win?
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16:55:46 [yalaforge]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardWithAcousticFingerprinting
16:56:10 [tro]
hmm.. if i want to add puid's i can't do this if the tracks already have mbid's in them?
16:56:21 [tro]
picard doesn't want me to analyze them again
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16:58:41 [nikki]
tro: drop the album back onto the unclustered files
16:59:44 [tro]
nikki: aha! thanks
17:05:15 [teleGUISE]
before i go through all these does anyone know if the Tori Amos Live releases were on the Venue Date? there are some marked official and some bootleg... I couldnt find anything that says any are official - - http://musicbrainz.org/artist/c0b2500e-0cef-4130-869d-732b23ed9df5.html
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17:28:33 [asmodai]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4564982
17:28:43 [asmodai]
if I agree with this person based on his statements
17:28:47 [asmodai]
Should I delete my mod?
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17:35:17 [HairMetalAddict]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4568012 <-- Dude from before with multiple accounts to self-yes-vote trying to claim it's not him. :-P
17:41:47 [Kerensky97]
"140 moderations accepted" "101 moderations voted down" He seems to submit alot of bad stuff.
17:44:06 [HairMetalAddict]
*sigh* Really getting sick of holier-than-thou-types no-voting an add album based solely on information that's not *required* on submission. Nobody has the right to enforce unwritten rules that way. Sadly it's one of the top voters doing this.
17:47:21 [Kerensky97]
You mean if somebody doesn't put in the release date or something like that?
17:48:46 [HairMetalAddict]
Yeah, stupid *not-required-on-submission* nonsense.
17:49:45 [HairMetalAddict]
If he (I'll not name names here) wants it mandatory, he can bring up making it mandatory on the form. Until then, it's voluntary. Forcing data loss by no-voting over non-required info is abuse, as far as I'm concerned.
17:49:50 [Mudcrow]
release date and country can be impossible to find for some releases, theres no way you can enforce that
17:50:20 [Kerensky97]
I think I got berated on that with one of my first submissions. I think they voted yes anyway though. Now I try to put it in but it really is impossible sometimes.
17:50:25 [HairMetalAddict]
This was release type and status actually, but he's done it for those as well.
17:50:38 [nikki_]
* nikki_ knows who hma is talking about
17:50:50 [HairMetalAddict]
And I found the answer in 2 seconds on Google. No-voting based on laziness.
17:52:20 [Mudcrow]
but your putting the onus on other moderators to correct/guess incomplete entries HMA, the submitter should supply all info, or explain why they cant
17:53:23 [Kerensky97]
You can just vote yes then leave a note for them to update the info.
17:53:39 [HairMetalAddict]
That doesn't work. 1 yes + 1 no = failed moderation
17:53:53 [nikki_]
* nikki_ thinks we should be encouraging people more than bitching at them for not entering required info
17:53:56 [HairMetalAddict]
And he's voting on these things less than 24 hours before expiration
17:53:56 [nikki_]
er
17:53:59 [nikki_]
not required info
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17:56:15 [Kerensky97]
Does adding a note count as a no?
17:56:20 [nikki_]
no
17:56:31 [nikki_]
adding a note is adding a note, voting is voting
17:56:45 [nikki_]
you can do either, one or neither :)
17:56:50 [nikki_]
er
17:56:52 [Kerensky97]
Ok, I was worried I'd screwed some people over there.
17:56:52 [nikki_]
both not one
17:57:01 [nikki_]
duh, why am I making no sense today.
17:57:19 [nikki_]
* nikki_ idly ponders just how many open mods Kerensky97 has
17:57:20 [mustaqila]
Blame it on the lack of sleep
17:57:40 [nikki_]
oh yeah! only 3 hours sleep does that
17:59:07 [Kerensky97]
I spent the week re-tagging my music. I added a ton of album covers to albums that had none.
18:00:36 [Kerensky97]
69 open mods right now.
18:01:40 [nikki_]
I've seen you all over my open mods with romaji albums/singles
18:02:39 [Kerensky97]
Yeah, that too. I can barely speak japanese, but reading is zero so it doesn't help to have a library full of songs I can't tell apart.
18:02:59 [nikki_]
like me and my chinese songs ;)
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18:04:18 [nikki_]
* nikki_ is listening to, for example, wang xin lin - wo de squiggle squiggle splodge
18:05:06 [Kerensky97]
:-)
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18:06:13 [Mudcrow]
spodge? the Chinese sing about Splodge? Maybe Splodges claims of being a decendant of Genghis Kahn is true, if the chinese are singing songs about him
18:06:44 [nikki_]
the other songs on this album are honey, squiggle squiggle squiggle, tree horse squiggle squiggle diary, squiggle squiggle, 6 squiggles, blue squiggle squiggle squiggle that songs like that like one sweets song, this one, 3 squiggles exit 2 squiggles, wo 3 squiggles! :)
18:06:44 [Kerensky97]
I used to tag with MusicBrainz then re did all my tags to romanji. Then I read about Virtual Albums in the Wiki so I started creating Viretual Albums for others like me that can't read.
18:06:57 [SenRepus]
* SenRepus is NP Calling in Sick by Weird Al
18:07:03 [SenRepus]
in honor of having called in sick
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18:27:05 [nikki_]
HairMetalAddict: it's been brought up on mb-users
18:31:13 [HairMetalAddict]
So I see in that nightmare e-mail folder of mine that holds the mb lists. I guess I'm not the only one.
18:31:35 [HairMetalAddict]
Damn, this means I'll actually have to read the list. Er, that discussion at least. :-P
18:31:45 [nikki_]
there's only two emails so far!
18:31:47 [nikki_]
lazy sod! :P
18:32:00 [HairMetalAddict]
Lazy with e-mail. Not lazy when voting. ;-)
18:34:12 [g0llum2]
luks: /comp/artistfilter does not like your modification of the movefocus comp :)
18:34:18 [g0llum2]
can you please look into that?
18:37:40 [teleGUISE]
g0llum: get cracking on your -buggy- GC ... i've added tons of bugs ;)
18:38:30 [teleGUISE]
g0llum2: get cracking on your -buggy- GC ... i've added tons of bugs ;)
18:42:30 [ojnkpjg]
is the latest tp alpha code in cvs or svn anywhere?
18:44:53 [g0llum2]
teleGUISE: hehe. long time no see
18:48:22 [HairMetalAddict]
* HairMetalAddict added his 2 SEK to the discussion
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18:54:24 [g0llum]
teleGUISE: i haven't received any e-mails from trac
18:55:11 [teleGUISE]
g0llum g0llum1 g0llum2 g0llum3 g0llum4 ;) -.. hmmm the tickets are there and assigned to you
18:55:55 [g0llum]
i see
18:56:03 [teleGUISE]
i think 1 auto assigned to you... which was odd.. cuz iirc it was not a GC .. it was a minor enhancement
18:56:24 [teleGUISE]
to server side...
18:57:02 [nikki_]
that happens these days
18:57:30 [nikki_]
djce fell off the mb_server, ruaok is overworked, so g0llum is the only person doing anything to it
18:57:45 [catmo]
mat = food
18:58:14 [nikki_]
feeding the cats?
18:58:28 [nikki_]
or buying catfood?
18:58:53 [g0llum]
i am overworked, too. any i don't get any money for it :(
18:59:01 [teleGUISE]
i kind of wondered since it was minor and an enhancement if g was getting those now
18:59:20 [nikki_]
g0llum: time to dye your hair strange colours and be weird like ruaok then ;)
18:59:21 [teleGUISE]
but you get *lots* of appreciation from me and all the other Mbrainerz i'm sure :D
18:59:45 [teleGUISE]
though paying rent in appreciation doesn't seem to work.. trust me i've tried ;)-
19:00:29 [g0llum]
well i've asked luks to remove me as the owner of mb_server, so that does not happen anymore :)
19:00:41 [g0llum]
i felt like floodgates were opened upon me
19:02:33 [nikki_]
* nikki_ hands g0llum a raft
19:05:56 [g0llum]
* g0llum thinks zout needs some backup on mb-users
19:06:09 [g0llum]
damn newbies ;-)
19:06:24 [nikki_]
* nikki_ doesn't agree with zout and therefore can't back him up
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* HairMetalAddict obviously can't back him up...
19:10:23 [Shepard]
* Shepard is too lazy to do
19:15:36 [g0llum]
hehe, Shepard
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19:15:55 [catmo]
buying catfood
19:16:32 [Shepard]
hi mo
19:18:05 [catmo]
hi
19:18:32 [catmo]
while I don't agree with faling the mods. I do understand zouts frustration
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19:18:43 [catmo]
but failing the mods.. hmm
19:18:58 [catmo]
only if there is alot of style mistakes and bogus in the thing
19:19:10 [catmo]
else it souldn't have no vote
19:19:52 [catmo]
great 108 emails
19:21:43 [catmo]
ping
19:23:13 [Shepard]
pong
19:23:19 [catmo]
hi shep
19:23:20 [tro]
hmm. i can't find instruction on svn checkout of picard. is this possible?
19:23:40 [tro]
the daily snapshots seem to be updated last in march
19:23:44 [Shepard]
we already said hi :)
19:24:02 [catmo]
but then i talked and everyone else stfu and i was lonely :(
19:24:24 [Shepard]
aww
19:24:53 [catmo]
and I have over 280 emails to reply to :(
19:25:01 [nikki_]
tro: even I have no idea how to, we haven't been told afaik
19:25:23 [tro]
ah. that pango crash's been annoying the heck out of me
19:25:31 [tro]
you fixed it somehow, i recall
19:25:38 [nikki_]
yes
19:25:40 [tro]
* tro goes to look at that bug report again
19:26:10 [Mudcrow]
hi mo
19:26:15 [catmo]
40 in automods. 33 bug, 43 expert list, 42 digest in the mb style, and finally 35 subscription emalis to read and/or reply to
19:26:17 [catmo]
;_;
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19:27:18 [nikki_]
* nikki_ wonders why mo leaves and joins so often
19:27:40 [Mudcrow]
excess flood?
19:27:56 [catmo]
nei
19:28:33 [catmo]
because it clears mey buffer and I like to do it this way instead of by 'clear buffer' because this way there is text in the page before anyoen saysd anything ,and I don't know if just clearign the buffer will make it not save to the log
19:29:02 [tru]
/clear?
19:29:20 [nikki_]
it does save it to the log
19:29:31 [catmo]
haha you thought i'd type that and then it'd clear then?
19:29:47 [catmo]
well I like that the topic and things are there
19:30:42 [nikki_]
/topic?
19:31:10 [catmo]
but still.. can't I have what I want?
19:31:12 [catmo]
:)
19:32:14 [nikki_]
* nikki_ shrugs
19:32:21 [catmo]
:(
19:32:21 [nikki_]
I guess I just don't understand it.
19:32:36 [tru]
* tru neither.
19:32:45 [catmo]
noone asked you to understand it :9 it's the weirdness of mo
19:32:47 [Shepard]
* Shepard sings "I do it myyyy way"
19:32:49 [catmo]
:) even
19:32:57 [catmo]
pfft shep :p
19:33:13 [Shepard]
no that was support for you!
19:33:18 [catmo]
:o
19:33:20 [catmo]
;_;
19:33:40 [catmo]
maybe I just wont reenter when I leave?! >(
19:33:42 [catmo]
:p
19:34:02 [tru]
catmo goes emo
19:34:03 [tru]
:)
19:34:09 [catmo]
eMo?
19:34:12 [catmo]
:p
19:34:21 [Shepard]
>) alien for inhouse
19:34:29 [catmo]
>)
19:34:31 [tru]
iMo, now with usb support?
19:34:33 [catmo]
\o/
19:34:39 [catmo]
* catmo rolls around laughing
19:34:59 [catmo]
awsome
19:36:48 [catmo]
* catmo almost tries making love to the opera browser
19:36:49 [Shepard]
iSome
19:36:53 [catmo]
man I love it ^^
19:36:58 [catmo]
iShep
19:37:04 [Shepard]
:o
19:45:22 [mustaqila]
Argh bollocks, anyone know how to get Debian to spit out a list of apt-got packages?
19:45:42 [tru]
that you have installed?
19:45:44 [tru]
or
19:45:46 [tru]
what?
19:45:47 [catmo]
interesting bug: when submitting CD-id, searching via VA routine, the single artist albums look like VA with all the tracks having the same artist
19:45:48 [mustaqila]
Have installed
19:45:54 [tru]
dpkg -l
19:46:02 [mustaqila]
Ta
19:46:21 [mustaqila]
I was sat here thinking, why the hell is apt-cache pkgnames churning out so much crap
19:47:04 [tru]
because it's everything available to install:)
19:47:25 [mustaqila]
Aye
19:50:34 [catmo]
try
19:50:52 [catmo]
bugger the link cant be copied
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20:09:28 [teleGUISE]
completed every single bit of release date/language set/release type/label - catalog info for all "Billy Cobham" releases .. except for the lone soldier that started the whole zout .. release stype .. voting .. thingy .. blah blah :D
20:10:05 [teleGUISE]
http://musicbrainz.org/artist/255497f8-26fb-4044-b97e-d4787d5974f6.html <--- ooh how pretty it looks :)
20:12:16 [Mudcrow]
still lots of VA comps listed under that artist with no language/script set
20:12:50 [catmo]
rofl: Agnetha Faeltskog
20:15:42 [catmo]
oh god no
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20:15:57 [catmo]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4590957
20:18:02 [teleGUISE]
* teleGUISE doesn't do VA's under artist list Mudcrow, (too much crap) but you can take up the slack for me if your feelin spunky :)
20:18:55 [Mudcrow]
I would teleGuise, but I have a huge backlog for the artists I know to clear
20:19:30 [catmo]
erh....
20:19:31 [catmo]
http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=324020
20:19:43 [catmo]
if its empty surly there is no nead for this colab artist?
20:19:56 [catmo]
(and no I didn't remove the albums or anything)
20:20:15 [teleGUISE]
the piles never seem to dither down... always more stuff added for some reason... VA comp's can be a mess.. some are easy but -many- are verry questionable when no info is present (in general)
20:20:21 [catmo]
no wait I did.. a while ago it seems
20:20:30 [catmo]
only one VA
20:35:39 [teleGUISE]
Just for you mudcrow ;) -- http://musicbrainz.org/artist/255497f8-26fb-4044-b97e-d4787d5974f6.html .. still not complete .. good luck to anyone able to find the others
20:36:49 [teleGUISE]
those titles make them a pita to search for... and matching titles don't match the track orders.. so screw 'em
20:39:20 [catmo]
this is an example of a only VA tracks 'aollab' artist that is valid, imho http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=276004
20:42:05 [Mudcrow]
Renée and Renato were not a collab artist mo
20:42:14 [catmo]
bugger.. sorry then
20:42:28 [catmo]
i was confuzzled by inhouses thingy
20:42:39 [catmo]
no what they should have a lin to thos artists
20:42:40 [Mudcrow]
it was a very fat bloke and a skinny girl duo who had one hit single
20:42:56 [Mudcrow]
just one cornetto or something
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20:43:35 [ArgoNavis]
inhouseuk: You there?
20:43:45 [inhouseuk]
yup
20:44:39 [ArgoNavis]
Just wanted to thank you for the tip on the mod about Julio Sagreras! I didn't realize one should do that, but it makes perfect sense! :-)
20:45:23 [inhouseuk]
hey, no problem :)
20:46:09 [inhouseuk]
mo what thing of mine where you confused by?
20:46:30 [inhouseuk]
were
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21:05:26 [Mudcrow]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4595046 I didnt think PUID deletion was an automod?
21:09:06 [inhouseuk]
it'd be impossible to vote upon, unless you have exactly the same track
21:09:40 [Mudcrow]
true
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21:21:20 [teleGUISE]
mudcrow: wow! what in the world have you been fixing that you have 14k worth of automods in 3months? ok mudcrow_
21:21:37 [Mudcrow_]
everything
21:21:53 [Mudcrow_]
nick cave. that was a few 1000 mods
21:23:05 [teleGUISE]
Die Haut and Nick Cave thinks Nick should be first so it looks nice ;) -- of course unless its truely wrong
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21:23:58 [Mudcrow_]
actually I dont think thers any such group as DieHaut and Nick Cave, that album was released without permission from the artists
21:24:18 [teleGUISE]
mudcrow_ uh oh someone is making us mess of your work already heres a new Nick Cave artist http://musicbrainz.org/artist/04566e53-fc06-4ff0-bad0-6e34ba67dee9.html
21:25:58 [teleGUISE]
hmm and the cover does have Die Haut listed first... don't they know it messes up order in our database ;)-
21:28:35 [Mudcrow_]
IMO it really should be just listed as Die Haut, Nick Cave worked with them and sang on that album, but it was still just a Die Haut album.
21:29:29 [catmo]
* catmo would vote for thaty :)
21:30:26 [Mudcrow_]
I wouldnt change it though, the cover says Die Haut and Nick Cave, and everyone knows that album as being credited that way
21:30:47 [catmo]
bugger
21:30:56 [Shepard]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4590375
21:31:14 [teleGUISE]
mudcrow_ i just added some rls data and set language
21:33:01 [Mudcrow_]
shepard, those Peter gabriel albums mentions were a huge debate over what they should be titled, hardly a good arguement for changing an album title
21:33:11 [catmo]
indeed
21:33:30 [Shepard]
tell them :)
21:34:11 [Mudcrow_]
i will
21:35:01 [Shepard]
thanks
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21:37:13 [Shepard]
reminds me of led zeppelin :)
21:37:18 [Mudcrow_]
the Peter Gabreil arguement was resolved by asking the record label, always a good way of ending an debate
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21:38:39 [inhouseuk]
yes, the record label was asked and we ignored them :)
21:41:06 [catmo]
well buggers to.. to.. well us basically
21:41:50 [Mudcrow]
bloosy australians
21:41:55 [Mudcrow]
*bloody
21:42:00 [catmo]
what?
21:42:22 [Mudcrow]
why isnt there an amazon.aus ? I have a nightmare trying to find australian releases
21:42:28 [catmo]
oh!
21:42:29 [catmo]
hmm
21:42:32 [teleGUISE]
wow out of my blanket - "could you provide some supporting release data... (ie.. record label/catalog #/upc-ean #/date-country)??" msg on about 15 soon to close open edits, i got replies for about 10 of them.. Thats a new all time high
21:42:32 [catmo]
hmm
21:42:36 [catmo]
ask nikki? :)
21:43:04 [inhouseuk]
teleGUISE: wow!
21:43:52 [teleGUISE]
i still had to do a little leg work but they set me in the right direction which was a major help!... so there are users willing to add it if we ask for it ;)-
21:44:20 [Mudcrow]
I usually get zero replys to mod notes, unless I vote no on a add album edit thats been sitting in the queue for two weeks, then you can guarentee the moderator will complain
21:46:37 [Shepard]
* Shepard still waits for answers on most of the questionable "member of" ARs he observed with the report
21:47:36 [catmo]
what report?
21:47:41 [teleGUISE]
inhouseuk: i'm not liking the not US tuesday report... i found about 20 of them I set wrong by swapping UK & US release dates or adding the UK day to US or vice-versa ... ooops :D (most were Hed Kandi series)
21:48:26 [inhouseuk]
:)
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21:48:55 [Shepard]
mo: the one luks made for me. "member of" ARs where either the first item is a group or the second item is a person
21:49:19 [catmo]
å sånn
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21:50:44 [Shepard]
what does that mean?
21:51:01 [catmo]
'oh 'so' basically it's like 'o like that'
21:51:40 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk tries not to look at this report too often - http://www.mb.inhouse.co.uk/newartists.html
21:51:45 [Shepard]
ah
21:51:48 [catmo]
:((
21:51:53 [teleGUISE]
Speaking of AR's .. Can someone tell me what the future vision of AR's intended purpose is.. Is it supposed to be for some 3rd party web front end svc to having some crazy relational database or is there some intention on integrating some of that data into the tagger ??
21:52:47 [Mudcrow]
the "is a member of" AR is already being used by last.fm
21:53:05 [luks]
http://musicbrainz.org/generated/plot_count.puid_delta.png :O
21:53:29 [ojnkpjg]
luks
21:53:38 [ojnkpjg]
could you take a look at the trac ticket for the short flac files
21:53:39 [Shepard]
I very much hope we can integrate it in the tagger
21:53:42 [Mudcrow]
I think last.fm use quite a lot of ARs on the artist pages
21:53:52 [ojnkpjg]
i pasted a patch in there that i think generates correct results, but i'm not positive it's correct
21:53:54 [ojnkpjg]
or the best thing to do
21:54:13 [catmo]
and website links and member of and
21:54:16 [teleGUISE]
i think showing a scope and examples of the possibilities would help get people more excited and understanding it's purpose.. cuz right now its just a bunch of words in a list when viewed via the mb web
21:54:33 [catmo]
tele: please
21:54:42 [teleGUISE]
please what?
21:54:47 [catmo]
....nothing
21:55:07 [teleGUISE]
huh??
21:55:09 [catmo]
wow luks that graph :o
21:55:30 [ojnkpjg]
i probably submitted a few thousands in the past few days
21:55:36 [luks]
ojnkpjg: i don't know much about the flac plugin, and i'm too tired to look at the source code atm...
21:55:41 [luks]
i'll look tomorrow
21:55:42 [ojnkpjg]
ok
21:56:04 [ojnkpjg]
well, is there some way to verify what puid ought to be generated?
21:56:19 [teleGUISE]
Shepard: i'd like to see some of that data in the tagger... it sure would be handy to view the tag contents locally with all the goodies we enter
21:56:23 [luks]
i'm not sure
21:56:25 [catmo]
tele: itsa bit discerning to hear that the ar's one has been adding with high vigour the past 6-7 months(how long have we had it?) is only "a bunch of words in a list" (even if that's true) :)
21:56:25 [ojnkpjg]
ok
21:56:27 [luks]
probably no
21:57:18 [catmo]
only the last weekend I added so many member of and instrument ar's its not funny
21:57:21 [teleGUISE]
catmo: well then you interpreted my intention wrong .. that's why i asked what does the future hold for it.. i've added quite a bit myself and would like to know when we can reap the reward
21:57:39 [catmo]
yea sorry. i'msleepy
21:57:41 [catmo]
long day
21:58:33 [teleGUISE]
or how we are reaping the rewards and i just don't know about them.. like mudcrow mentioned.. i wasn't aware Last FM uses a lot of our AR stuff... still would like to see it put in our files soon though
21:58:50 [ojnkpjg]
so write the code :)
21:59:19 [teleGUISE]
get data ... paste data ... play with data ... coded ;)-
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22:01:21 [catmo]
just added a bunch of words in a list now
22:01:26 [catmo]
hæ?
22:01:27 [teleGUISE]
there so many fields in mp3's that will never be used and so many good fields we have in musicbrainz which don't match up which really stinks...even aac doesn't cover all the crap we have
22:01:34 [catmo]
wtf paste is on the fritz again
22:01:54 [catmo]
just added http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=503279
22:01:57 [catmo]
:))
22:02:36 [catmo]
sweet dreams are made of this \o/
22:02:57 [catmo]
only eurutmics song I know
22:03:06 [catmo]
erh Eurythmics
22:03:22 [catmo]
that'll teach me to try just typing the name instead of copying it
22:03:24 [yllona]
mo: a couple of quick changes on that '80s list?
22:03:32 [catmo]
what?
22:04:06 [catmo]
no i just added that album
22:04:10 [catmo]
:)
22:05:07 [yllona]
track 10 needs a question mark at the end of the title, and "Baby, Come to Me" was released on James Ingram's album so it's "Baby, Come to Me (feat. Patti Austin)
22:05:59 [teleGUISE]
you beat me to it.. i was just typing that... ;)
22:06:06 [yllona]
one sec, I'll get the James Ingram for you...
22:06:17 [catmo]
well it does not have a question mark on the list (hench why I won't add it) and I don't know aobut the ingram thing
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waga!
22:06:57 [catmo]
ifther isa valid artist patty austin & james imngram i don't see the need for feat
22:07:02 [catmo]
klepto!!!!
22:07:24 [ruaok]
* ruaok grins
22:07:39 [catmo]
ruaok! my hard work is only being mocked upon by these two! :p
22:08:09 [Mudcrow]
track 10 should have a ? at the end mo
22:08:16 [yllona]
no valid artist for JI & PA. they were guests on each others albums and both were staff vocalists for Quincy Jones, who produced their albums
22:08:25 [catmo]
its not on the cd cover notr the liner
22:08:45 [catmo]
* catmo shrugs and throws up hands
22:08:51 [yllona]
you looking at the cover notes from a half-ass compilation, sorry to say.
22:08:57 [catmo]
that'll teach me to link to manything I've finishe and di work on
22:09:04 [Mudcrow]
thats the problem with compilations, they are using (minorly) incorrect
22:09:13 [catmo]
yea well sucks to be you. i wont change it :p
22:09:27 [Mudcrow]
:P
22:09:45 [catmo]
I even added PUID's!
22:09:50 [catmo]
erh.. well some :)
22:10:13 [catmo]
adding production ar's now...
22:10:32 [yllona]
mo: other than that it looks good really. no worries. were you even alive in the '80s? It's from Patti Austin's 181 album, "Every Home Should have One", tarck 5.
22:10:44 [yllona]
*1981 album, sorry
22:10:48 [catmo]
I was born in yonder year 1981
22:10:54 [catmo]
so yes
22:11:03 [catmo]
and this isa comp from 1995 so
22:11:17 [catmo]
I remember alot of these songs :)
22:11:24 [yllona]
composer == Rod Temperton of the band "Heat Wave"
22:11:28 [catmo]
the ones with puidsare my favourites :)
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22:11:39 [Mudcrow]
I was 12 in 1981
22:11:39 [teleGUISE]
yuck there's a boat load of Culture Club tracks missing the ? - http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=Do+You+Really+Want+to+Hurt+Me++&type=track&limit=185
22:12:02 [catmo]
and maybe that's.. :shck: :horror: ok?
22:12:25 [yllona]
tele: is there a way to fix that easily? There are a lot of other songs with the same problem
22:12:47 [catmo]
* catmo doesn't like mass 'fixing' such things
22:13:15 [catmo]
heh
22:13:17 [catmo]
monroes
22:13:26 [catmo]
I have a cassette with them
22:13:34 [catmo]
the one with 'sunday people' on it
22:13:44 [catmo]
wonky mom of mine bought it back in the day
22:13:52 [catmo]
called them 'madness wannabees'
22:14:54 [ruaok]
* ruaok is sitting in a boring conference session
22:14:59 [catmo]
sunday, sunday people shiningfor you
22:15:13 [ruaok]
but I need to conserve battery power.
22:15:17 [ruaok]
back later...
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22:15:22 [catmo]
bai ru
22:16:02 [catmo]
ruaok: the real life duracell bunny
22:17:33 [Shepard]
haha
22:18:15 [yllona]
my fave would be Kajagoogoo, i still ove that band, abd Scritti Politti
22:18:16 [luks]
* luks is looking forward to a new flame war at mb-style }:)
22:18:31 [catmo]
:o
22:18:38 [catmo]
* catmo has to many digests left to read
22:19:02 [catmo]
\o/ culture club - Do You Really Want to Hurt Me this song is soooo gay
22:19:04 [catmo]
<3 :)
22:19:24 [Mudcrow]
Kajagoogoo - now theres a band I would be happy to murder
22:19:28 [catmo]
hmm never seen that song with a ? actually
22:19:40 [catmo]
I now itsa question,, just never seen it written with a ?
22:20:07 [yllona]
mo: it's all over the original LP and the CD re-release, the 12" single, etc.
22:20:12 [catmo]
hmm
22:20:54 [catmo]
I love sweet dreams are made of this though
22:21:03 [yllona]
the song name index for CDs is a rushed thing for the record labels. often sloppy. tehy basically don't give a shit.
22:21:43 [catmo]
aww my pretty album now has yellow stripes :(
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22:22:22 [yllona]
the album art goes to pre-print long before the CD is available for sale... so mistakes happen often. especially on "greatest hits" "best of..." compilations
22:22:37 [catmo]
hmm that mip thing looks like a •):
22:22:41 [catmo]
thingy
22:22:44 [teleGUISE]
ok i did about 30 Culture Club ? adds only about 100 more to go... on to something else
22:22:56 [catmo]
‘):
22:23:09 [yllona]
mo: the MIP symbol is a bass clef
22:23:24 [catmo]
I KNOW I just don't have the ability to type it ^^
22:23:37 [catmo]
go ahead and paste it here
22:24:03 [yllona]
one sec, let me chane font sets
22:24:15 [yllona]
*change font sets
22:24:42 [catmo]
hmm
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22:25:55 [Mudcrow]
ok, why is the album art showing in picard but not on mb?
22:26:04 [catmo]
that reminds me
22:26:06 [Mudcrow]
http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?mbid=e8536f5b-8015-4bc0-b44e-095a035c3e48&tport=8000
22:26:10 [catmo]
lookon amazon for that cd
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22:26:24 [catmo]
takk mud
22:26:31 [catmo]
but I dubth they have this cd
22:27:03 [yllona]
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BUYTQA/
22:27:29 [catmo]
come on. don't take away my fun :(
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22:28:05 [yllona]
mud: i don't see the ASIN AR on MB, but the info link works
22:28:38 [Mudcrow]
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000BUYTQA uk has the proper album art
22:29:20 [Mudcrow]
it was just strange that picard is shoing the cover but the image was blank at mb
22:29:27 [yllona]
so does AMZ.com note the common ASIN
22:29:41 [catmo]
not that argument again :(
22:30:13 [yllona]
Mudcrow: i don't see the ASIN AR, let me add as a test.
22:30:35 [Mudcrow]
I've just added th uk ASIN for the album
22:30:54 [yllona]
okay
22:31:00 [yllona]
should work then
22:31:09 [catmo]
its to bad amason doesn't have a scandinavian autlet
22:31:15 [catmo]
I doubth they will touhg
22:31:16 [yllona]
there it is!
22:31:28 [catmo]
cdon.com has a pretty strogn foothold here
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22:32:42 [Mudcrow]
who's this bloke I asked her? Gordon she replied, not that puff I said dismayed, yes but he's no puff she cried. I was so upset that I cried all the way to the chip shop
22:33:17 [yllona]
question: is there any way to links tracks on a compilation to the original album? seems to me that would save alot of effort.
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22:35:39 [inhouseuk]
teleGUISE mud and yllona I'm pretty certain that the original release of Kissing to be clever didn't have a ? on that track
22:35:57 [Shepard]
Mudcrow: did you take any drugs?
22:36:09 [Gordon_The_Moron]
when?
22:36:10 [catmo]
mud what's going on? :(
22:36:27 [catmo]
inhouseuk?
22:36:49 [yllona]
inhouseuk: kissing to be clever had no question mark... wassup?
22:37:22 [catmo]
bwahaha
22:37:33 [inhouseuk]
kissing to be clever was the album "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me" was first released on
22:37:35 [catmo]
looks like someone has to chancel a mod of theirs >)
22:37:45 [catmo]
inouse I could kiss you :p
22:37:55 [Gordon_The_Moron]
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22:38:00 [catmo]
insert an h in there
22:38:03 [teleGUISE]
huh... did i say that somewhere?? what track is that?
22:38:04 [catmo]
aww mud
22:38:12 [catmo]
* catmo gives mud some choco
22:38:51 [SenRepus]
aw, sadface, i just dropped my toothpaste cap in the drain
22:39:12 [catmo]
aww :((
22:40:18 [Mudcrow]
I know that the violent femmes cover of "Do you really want to hurt me?" has a ?
22:41:00 [inhouseuk]
http://thursdays.com/pic200/cultureclub708.jpg
22:41:27 [catmo]
bwahaha
22:41:30 [Mudcrow]
whats on the track listing though?
22:41:31 [catmo]
inouse \o/
22:41:36 [catmo]
wtf h
22:42:09 [catmo]
that loojks like boy george.. was he like a member?
22:42:18 [Mudcrow]
lol yes mo
22:42:39 [catmo]
heh that explains why it sounds gay :) <3
22:43:11 [Mudcrow]
the drummer Jon Moss was for a short time in the Damned and Adam & The Ants
22:43:20 [catmo]
neat
22:43:35 [catmo]
yes it has all lthe ar's
22:43:42 [catmo]
http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=263410
22:43:49 [catmo]
no adam nand ant link
22:45:08 [yllona]
mudcow: list of ASCAP covers for "do you really want to hurt me" http://tinyurl.com/fqd6w
22:46:38 [teleGUISE]
i looked at some va's i had with that track and some things online some have it with the ? and some without ... if the ratio was 60/40 before now its 40/60 ..
22:47:31 [teleGUISE]
db wise... so i quit until someone figures out a plan
22:47:47 [yllona]
tele: i could dig up the LP, but that would take a bit...
22:47:59 [Mudcrow]
I cant find the oringinal single
22:48:25 [yllona]
yeah, and i have the 12" also.. somewhere
22:48:44 [teleGUISE]
in any case i fixed many tracks with improper case on "To"
22:49:27 [GURT]
luks: :)
22:59:03 [Shepard]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4586479 O_O
22:59:04 [yllona]
to be honest i don't really. it's really more an issue of song name matching with various internet radio stations.
22:59:15 [yllona]
* i don't really care.
23:00:10 [yllona]
the song won't match without the "?". i see this more as a perfect argument for track aliases
23:02:16 [yllona]
but if GURT and cat(mo) want to go there, i can dig up the original LP :)
23:03:33 [Kerensky97]
Noob question: Are books on CD allowed?
23:03:34 [Kerensky97]
http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=502530
23:03:39 [GURT]
yup
23:03:48 [Kerensky97]
k-thanks
23:04:30 [GURT]
yllona: go where?
23:05:41 [yllona]
GURT: have a prolonged discussion as to whether a question mark should appear at the end of a track name.
23:06:02 [GURT]
depends on the track i'd imagine
23:06:58 [yllona]
yes, we were discussing "do you really want to hurt me?" by culture club, from the album "Kissing to be clever"
23:07:04 [Kerensky97]
If the track name is a question, yes, IMHO. It's like proper caplitalization.
23:07:20 [yllona]
Kerensky97: me too
23:07:44 [GURT]
3
23:09:03 [yllona]
but track aliases would help, as many compilations don't include the question mark, and further truncate the song name as "Do You Really"
23:09:53 [yllona]
like "Do You Really (Want To Hurt Me?)"
23:10:00 [Mudcrow]
Do You Really (want to listen to Culture Club?)
23:10:06 [Mudcrow]
:p
23:10:09 [GURT]
heh
23:10:18 [GURT]
taht song has a good bass line
23:10:27 [yllona]
mud: brings back fond memories :)
23:11:05 [yllona]
of big hair... and way too much make-up :P
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23:11:26 [yllona]
and really fun times
23:11:29 [Mudcrow]
and that was the blokes
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23:12:45 [catmo]
and that is so cool <3
23:12:51 [yllona]
mud: "blokes" with lots of black eyeliner, and gallons of hair gel
23:12:54 [catmo]
* catmo går og legger seg
23:13:05 [catmo]
natta!
23:13:23 [catmo]
eyeliner + boys = <3333
23:13:28 [catmo]
<-- dork
23:13:31 [catmo]
natta!
23:13:35 [GURT]
Shepard: Buenas Tardes Amigo
23:14:12 [Mudcrow]
I used to wear eyeliner back then
23:14:19 [catmo]
rawr
23:14:51 [GURT]
i have eyeliner permanently tattoed to my eyelids
23:15:34 [inhouseuk]
I can't locate my copy of Kissing to be clever, I think it must be at my fathers
23:15:41 [inhouseuk]
however - http://www.inhouse.co.uk/misc/ktbc.jpg
23:16:04 [inhouseuk]
also http://www.culture-club.co.uk/content/audio.htm
23:16:16 [Mudcrow]
no ?
23:16:32 [catmo]
no ?
23:16:57 [Mudcrow]
and my dog was named after Captain Crucial (my sister was a big Culture Club fan)
23:17:06 [catmo]
and with that. this cat's going to bed
23:17:09 [catmo]
see ya's
23:17:16 [Mudcrow]
night
23:17:56 [inhouseuk]
one of my x-gf's had an amazing similarity to Boy George
23:17:59 [GURT]
hmm
23:18:09 [inhouseuk]
but she was definately female!
23:18:15 [GURT]
i dont think Do You Really Want To Hurt Me has a ? at the end even though it's a question
23:18:44 [GURT]
what are some other pop songs with questions in the track name?
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23:20:06 [Kerensky97]
What's love got to do with it
23:20:08 [Kerensky97]
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000000WJR/
23:20:17 [Kerensky97]
No ?
23:20:58 [GURT]
no ? there
23:21:05 [GURT]
but other tracks on the album have one
23:21:07 [GURT]
weird
23:21:33 [yllona]
one sec.. BTW AMZ doesn't incl. "?" in general
23:21:41 [GURT]
billboard.com dosen't list a ? on either of those tracks either
23:21:54 [GURT]
yes it does
23:22:05 [GURT]
4. Why Must We Wait Until Tonight?
23:22:13 [GURT]
12. What's Love Got To Do With It
23:22:35 [Mudcrow]
amazon isn't a very good source for correct punctuation
23:22:43 [GURT]
ok
23:22:45 [yllona]
* yllona is listening to Ain't We Funkin' Now? by The Brothers Johnson from Blam!! (1980) (0:07 / 5:39)
23:22:56 [GURT]
but it does include "?" in general
23:23:03 [Shepard]
they also often drop leading 'The's and the like
23:23:41 [yllona]
shep: yes. AMZ drops leading articles (The, etc)
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23:23:59 [Shepard]
but not always :)
23:24:05 [Shepard]
amazon is random
23:24:55 [yllona]
yep. beacuse they rely on the record label and/or artist to provide teh correct info
23:25:18 [Mudcrow]
amazon can be very crap at times. they had an ici paris album listed as a VA comp
23:25:59 [Mudcrow]
they have a tendency not to include artist names for every track of a VA album, especially long names
23:26:31 [Mudcrow]
and they keep recommending crap albums to me
23:26:40 [yllona]
* yllona is listening to Didn't I (Blow Your Mind This Time)? by The Delfonics (0:05 / 3:21)
23:26:49 [GURT]
'you own crap? try this other crap!'
23:27:09 [Mudcrow]
hmm you could have hit the nail on the head there GURT
23:27:31 [yllona]
AMZ recommendations only work if you take the time to rate your purchases
23:27:33 [GURT]
you searched for crap.. here buy some other crap
23:28:21 [yllona]
so, twice a year, i do the ratings, and my recommendations are very good
23:29:12 [inhouseuk]
they keep recommending things I already own, even when I've indicated I own it. But, they're recommending the different release of it :(
23:29:42 [Shepard]
GURT: very true. especially when you use amazon for album research for MB
23:30:18 [yllona]
yes, that need t o be fixed. from my point of view. but younger folks seem to care about re-releases due to the re-mix thing happening
23:30:51 [Shepard]
collectors...
23:31:17 [yllona]
yes. and they are hard-core purchasers
23:32:01 [yllona]
i have some albums in 3 or 4 formats, but for collectible i do bx sets
23:32:08 [yllona]
*box sets
23:32:32 [GURT]
inhouseuk: they reccomend things i own as well.. not rereleases either
23:32:53 [yllona]
from rhino, bear or mosaic.. as those sets are the most complete with detailed liner notes
23:33:20 [yllona]
GURT: did you mark them as purchased?
23:33:37 [GURT]
uhh.. yeah
23:34:09 [yllona]
because AMZ has two systems. it will say "you purchased this item on [date], then there's the rating system
23:34:40 [inhouseuk]
the rhino releases are fantastic, they really take pride in quality and content
23:34:57 [yllona]
don't know why they haven't been integrated. but i will say that AMZ has a record fo every purchase i've made since '96
23:35:06 [GURT]
i have a rhino set and i thought it was kind of cheap
23:35:19 [GURT]
the books were glued in sort of sloppy to the digipacks
23:35:22 [yllona]
inhouseuk: bear is even better than rhino :)
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23:39:29 [inhouseuk]
for instance the rhino cd release of fleetwood mac's tusk is the only cd version that has the full version of sara on it. the original vinyl release had the full version, but when it was released on cd an edited version was used
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23:42:25 [inhouseuk]
select count(*) from puid where version >= 127;
23:42:27 [inhouseuk]
18032
23:42:54 [inhouseuk]
that's increased by ~3500 in the last few hours
23:45:43 [mustaqila]
Pweed-fest
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23:49:41 [Shepard]
hi nechto13
23:49:55 [nechto13]
hello Shepard
23:50:53 [nechto13]
i have a somewhat peculiar case. can someone look at http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4577738
23:51:49 [nechto13]
my question is should there be another version of the album in MB?
23:57:21 [inhouseuk]
it looks like it's been released on both decca and laserlight http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000001VQ9
23:58:15 [inhouseuk]
which release does the submitter have? Maybe the laserlight cover doesn't include that information
23:58:54 [nechto13]
hello inhouseuk
23:59:15 [nechto13]
thanks for the follow up, i'll ask him/her