IRC log of musicbrainz on 2006-04-19

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00:04:23 [MrQwerty]

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00:07:29 [catmo]

hahaHA you're just asking for a thrashing aren't you? :p

00:07:41 [catmo]

* catmo falls over laughing'

00:07:48 [catmo]

ok now I got to bed ferreal

00:07:56 [catmo]

and not ferral

00:08:01 [ruaok]

* ruaok grins

00:08:11 [catmo]

rawr

00:08:13 [ruaok]

I just can't get that image out of my head.

00:08:13 [teleGUISE]

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00:08:18 [ruaok]

crap.

00:08:21 [catmo]

eeek

00:08:25 [ruaok]

there goes the IRC channel.

00:08:26 [teleGUISE]

crap tele is here :D

00:08:30 [teleGUISE]

eeek tele is here :D

00:08:31 [catmo]

rofl

00:08:32 [ruaok]

better got to bed, mo.

00:08:36 [catmo]

ja

00:08:45 [teleGUISE]

Hello all...

00:09:38 [teleGUISE]

Hey.. does anyone have an idea and what it would take to create some custom right click links in Firefox ??

00:10:52 [teleGUISE]

I was thinking I do a lot of lookups via Amazon US and Amazon UK and it would be nice to copy the link once and the be able to choose which site to look it up in... Right now I have both in the 'google' search box pull down menu..

00:11:41 [teleGUISE]

Also it would be nice to able to highlight something and rightclick a lookup in Musicbrainz... for example I am viewing (disc 1) and want to pull up the other (disc n) in the series..

00:12:44 [teleGUISE]

just trying to shorten the steps... of course I just c&p the album title in search box then click on it but right clicking a highlighted phrase and being able to choose MB lookup would be faster ;)

00:13:23 [ruaok]

* ruaok stopped using FF a while ago.

00:13:32 [ruaok]

someone wake me up when it stops leaking memory like a sieve

00:13:46 [teleGUISE]

yeah... have to agree with ya..

00:14:04 [teleGUISE]

you using Opera or some IE variant?

00:15:39 [teleGUISE]

though a lot of the memory leaking has been shown to either be plugin related or a result of it holding page cache so your forward and back page flips would be faster (which you can disable)

00:16:11 [ruaok]

camino (mac)

00:16:35 [ruaok]

but, why was F 1.0.x not so leaky?

00:16:39 [nechto13]

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00:16:50 [ruaok]

1.5.x went straight down the toilet, as far as I am concerned.

00:18:09 [teleGUISE]

you know Your right i just noticed that the other day when using a friends computer which has 1.0.x (7) i think and did some of the same crap i do on my 1.5.x and I didnt experience the eventual slow downs i do on mine..

00:18:11 [nechto13]

hello everyone

00:18:17 [nechto13]

can someone tell me how to use discid to recalculate track times on a release?

00:18:48 [ruaok]

nechto13: just adding a discid didn

00:18:49 [teleGUISE]

if it's the only disc id attached it will adjust times automatically at 2:00 AM PST

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00:18:55 [ruaok]

t d the trick?

00:19:19 [ruaok]

teleGUISE: its 2am GMT now.

00:19:36 [nechto13]

the release has a discid and one of the tracks has incorrect track time

00:19:38 [teleGUISE]

OH.. it was PST before wasn't it?

00:19:44 [ruaok]

yes.

00:20:04 [ruaok]

I may actually switch that back.

00:20:12 [teleGUISE]

ahh... Ok ill remember 2am GST ... i also noticed the Subscribed aritst report is changed also

00:20:12 [nechto13]

the discid was added by FreeDB i believe

00:20:58 [teleGUISE]

ok so note to self don't pound GMT in brain as ru may screw with us and change it back to PST :(

00:20:58 [ruaok]

yes, part of the same cron job.

00:20:59 [teleGUISE]

;)

00:21:07 [ruaok]

lol.

00:21:10 [ruaok]

ok, I gotta run off.

00:21:14 [ruaok]

ttl!

00:21:17 [teleGUISE]

ok.. nice chattin

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ttl

00:21:22 [nechto13]

bye ruoak

00:21:49 [nechto13]

so what should i do to make it recalculate the track times on the release?

00:22:06 [teleGUISE]

please post the link

00:22:08 [teleGUISE]

to the album

00:22:44 [nechto13]

here http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=265791 compare track times with http://www.prokofiev.org/recordings/album.cfm?aid=000376

00:23:32 [nechto13]

i believe the track time on prokofiev's site over freedb on track 4

00:24:23 [teleGUISE]

i was going to say track 4 is that far off!... the other times appear to be from the common phenomena of bogus disc id's with added track gaps..

00:24:57 [teleGUISE]

so i gather you dont have the real disc id but just want to adjust the times then?

00:25:34 [nechto13]

teleGUISE: precisely

00:25:59 [teleGUISE]

hmmm you think its possible track 4 was a typo and should have been 1(0):26 ??? i betcha thats it.. that fits the rest of the few seconds off analogy

00:26:42 [teleGUISE]

notice then it would make it in line with whats there and only a few seconds off like every other track

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00:27:56 [nechto13]

teleGUISE: yes, i'm quite sure it's a typo. especially since the prokofiev's site has both the track time and overall running time of the release

00:30:53 [teleGUISE]

nechto13: in any case... you can do 1 of 2 things.. first move the disc id .. somewhere anywhere... (Just remember where you moved it :) ) then adjust the times accordingly.. then move the (disc id) back .. at the point you can put an edit in to remove if you'd like

00:32:19 [nechto13]

teleGUISE: does FreeDB use track times to generate discid? if it does than the discid might not be right

00:33:40 [teleGUISE]

nechto13: well yes and no.. what i mean is it creates the disc id from a disc... so that track was definitely that long... it couldnt be a typo if thats what you mean..

00:34:58 [teleGUISE]

if all the track were off then it could be some old screwy client software that borked the disc id up.. but every track is in line except that one.. so i dont think thats the case here.. I do believe its made from a homebrew disc though because of the added gaps

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00:35:24 [nechto13]

i thought FreeDB was a bot. how could the discid have been generated from an actual disc?

00:36:16 [teleGUISE]

ru could have explained it best.. but ill try to remember ;)

00:37:41 [nechto13]

teleGUISE: well, i'll follow your suggestion hopefully i won't break anything in the process :)

00:37:42 [teleGUISE]

long ago when they were added by freedb bot it added a disc id because it had all the information needed to create one... imports from freedb do not as they dont have the lead out information for the disc..

00:38:50 [nechto13]

teleGUISE: lead out information?

00:40:01 [teleGUISE]

nechto13: http://musicbrainz.org/disc.html this will either confuse you more or give you some idea that helps :)

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00:53:28 [nechto13]

welcome back teleGUISE

00:54:09 [teleGUISE]

thnks...

00:54:17 [teleGUISE]

did any of that help or make sense?

00:54:48 [nechto13]

teleGUISE: i think i understand it for the most part, maybe. :) i still don't see the difference between new imports through freedb made by users and the ones made by FreeDB boty

00:54:52 [nechto13]

*bot

00:55:35 [teleGUISE]

yeah.. and thats the part my brain is failing to remember exactly so i can explain it best ;)

00:56:58 [teleGUISE]

oh.. i also added the release information please based on the data off the site - http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=265791

00:59:04 [nechto13]

ah i see. also i didn't completely understand what is the leadout track, track signifying end of data? but i understood most of how discid's are generated

01:02:17 [teleGUISE]

The lead-out is the exact length of the disc in SECTORS..

01:03:07 [nechto13]

teleGUISE: that explains it. thanks

01:03:17 [teleGUISE]

freedb knows how long the tracks are but doesnt know the exact length of the disc because it doesnt have the lead-out length

01:03:33 [teleGUISE]

lead-out sector amount that is

01:04:31 [nechto13]

but it used to have the information when FreeDB ran?

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01:07:24 [teleGUISE]

ummm still bashing my brain.. the when the freedb bot ran... it ???

01:08:47 [nechto13]

before october 2004? http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/FreeDBModeration

01:12:59 [teleGUISE]

if iirc the confusing part is the album wasn't imported by the bot... the editor was called 'freedb' and not the person whom submitted the request..

01:14:10 [teleGUISE]

ahh.. - <ruaok> the metadata originated from freedb, but all the TOC/cdindex data originated from an MB user (or MB enabled player)

01:16:19 [nechto13]

* nechto13 wonders if that means that whoever voted for the FreeDB mod provided extra information not available in freedb for discid generation?

01:16:34 [nechto13]

!weather 78758

01:19:16 [nechto13]

* nechto13 prods BrainzBot_

01:19:40 [BrainzBot_]

HTTP Error or invalid content type

01:21:31 [nechto13]

BrainzBot_: i'll give you an HTTP Error...

01:21:37 [nechto13]

* nechto13 threatens to whack BrainzBot_ with a frozen halibut

01:21:42 [nechto13]

!weather 78758

01:21:47 [BrainzBot_]

Austin, TX (78758): 88°F / 31.1°C, Thunder

01:22:29 [nechto13]

that's better :P

01:22:33 [nechto13]

* nechto13 braces for a thunderstorm

01:23:31 [teleGUISE]

nechto13: http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/2005/2005-11/2005-11-08.txt <03:37:33 ish> on down

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01:26:43 [nechto13]

* nechto13 understands now

01:26:43 [nechto13]

teleGUISE: thanks

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01:33:34 [teleGUISE_]

errr

01:35:33 [wolfsong13]

* wolfsong13 raises an eyebrow in teleGUISE_ direction

01:36:28 [nechto13]

* nechto13 thinks that 2 teleGUISEs are better than one :)

01:37:09 [wolfsong13]

nothing like having split personalities

01:37:27 [teleGUISE_]

* teleGUISE_ has problems keeping track of 1 of hime let alone 2 though :) ...

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01:38:49 [nechto13]

welcome back ruaok

01:39:01 [teleGUISE_]

nechto13: http://www.THATPLACE.com/cg/ABC.dll?p=amg&sql=42:186426~T2 < replace that place with ummm all music and abc with am g ... it shows an avg track time of 26:20 which would make track 4 10minutes :D

01:39:26 [wolfsong13]

* wolfsong13 waves @ ruaok

01:39:38 [wolfsong13]

who maintains the guess case script?

01:39:45 [ruaok]

hi wolfsong13!

01:39:49 [ruaok]

g0llum does/

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01:39:53 [ruaok]

.

01:40:06 [wolfsong13]

* wolfsong13 still needs to read ruaok's email

01:40:13 [ruaok]

* ruaok nods

01:40:19 [ruaok]

can you do that before tomorrow?

01:40:26 [ruaok]

it decides what I work on tomorrow.

01:40:31 [wolfsong13]

i will do it now

01:40:41 [ruaok]

k

01:40:58 [wolfsong13]

i saw it pop up on my blackberry but decided to wait and read it on my PC

01:41:29 [wolfsong13]

is CCCP the old colocation?

01:41:35 [ruaok]

* ruaok nods

01:42:21 [ruaok]

its no issue to keep the server under our control for another two weeks.

01:42:35 [wolfsong13]

are you sure there are only 11 /wd/ pages?

01:42:43 [wolfsong13]

i never got a list

01:42:49 [ruaok]

that's what I counted in /wd/

01:43:01 [ruaok]

that's right. g0llum never did address that.

01:43:06 [ruaok]

one sec, I'll make one

01:43:27 [teleGUISE_]

nechto13: hmmm and yet another - http://www.freedb.org/freedb_search_fmt.php?cat=classical&id=4e0b3906

01:43:45 [wolfsong13]

i have 11 tickets for them now

01:43:59 [wolfsong13]

i found some gollum missed

01:44:19 [ruaok]

grrr. test.mb.org is still on cvs

01:44:28 [nechto13]

teleGUISE_: let me guess? you are suggesting i change it back? :P

01:46:21 [teleGUISE_]

hey.. your i'm sure more classical saavy than i.. i just fond it interesting so figured i'd dig a little deeper... the total time listed at Sony i gather is done by a script... so thats why it totals the tracks listed.. I'm not saying its wrong for sure .. just seems odd all these other references show it as 10:xx .. 9minutes is quite a long difference

01:47:08 [ruaok]

wolfsong13: ok, closer to 20.

01:47:16 [ruaok]

check your mail.

01:47:32 [wolfsong13]

k

01:47:44 [wolfsong13]

y 2 moins?

01:47:54 [teleGUISE_]

and doesn't Moderato mean slower ? wouldn't that mean longer too :) ?

01:48:19 [wolfsong13]

teleGUISE_: almost

01:48:30 [wolfsong13]

i think calmer is more accurate

01:48:40 [ruaok]

wolfsong13: two moins is historical.

01:48:53 [ruaok]

its kinda a complicated mess on how got there.

01:48:55 [wolfsong13]

so it may slow but it also could mean less boisterous

01:49:01 [nechto13]

teleGUISE: it could be an excerpt... but i'm looking for a different source for the release. hold on

01:49:06 [ruaok]

deadlines and silly shit exactly a year ago.

01:49:21 [wolfsong13]

ahhh so when we switched wikis

01:49:31 [ruaok]

yeah, around there.

01:49:44 [wolfsong13]

is 3 dependent on 1 or 2?

01:49:46 [ruaok]

so I am not keen on installing an old moin on scooby.

01:49:53 [teleGUISE_]

* teleGUISE_ thanks for the tidbit on Classical 101 ;) wolfsong13...

01:50:06 [ruaok]

mb_server is dependent on wikidocs.

01:50:11 [ruaok]

then there is wiki.mb.org

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01:50:32 [wolfsong13]

teleGUISE: don't quote me but i did major in music theory; it's been a while though

01:50:33 [ruaok]

and another one the system maintainers (dave and I) use to keep the servers organized

01:51:04 [ruaok]

now that we have 9 servers that wiki gets a lot more use

01:51:29 [wolfsong13]

so do you have an order you prefer and timeline?

01:52:05 [ruaok]

well, there are two options, really.

01:52:20 [ruaok]

either we move everything before the end of the month, or I move the old wiki to scooby.

01:52:21 [wolfsong13]

* wolfsong13 remembers to make arguments on a few wiki pages including picardinterface

01:52:56 [ruaok]

but, if the end of the month is really stretching it, then let's just take option #2. no need to rush things.

01:53:10 [wolfsong13]

ruaok: is there any real impact to transclusion?

01:53:26 [ruaok]

not sure I understand your question...

01:54:07 [nechto13]

* nechto13 had 5 years of musical school, but decides to go by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderato since he hasn't played in awhile

01:54:11 [wolfsong13]

will you have to rework anything when you do either 1 or 2 to keep things either synced or usable

01:54:25 [wolfsong13]

will there be any down time?

01:54:47 [ruaok]

I have to rework some wiki code that we're going to throw out in a few weeks.

01:54:51 [ruaok]

that's the only downside.

01:54:52 [teleGUISE_]

who makes changes to links on these pages - http://musicbrainz.org/disc.html a link moderator ??? all the links under Links need to be corrected (except for how stuff works)

01:55:03 [ruaok]

but, not there will be no downtime.

01:55:13 [ruaok]

for the main server we can make an instant switch.

01:55:38 [nechto13]

teleGUISE_: i bet the time on prokofiev's site was taken from http://sonyclassical.com/music/38525/

01:55:39 [wolfsong13]

teleGUISE_: that page needs to be moved to the wiki and then wikidoced

01:55:46 [ruaok]

mirror servers will find the right place in 10 minutes time. but the old wikidocs would still stay up longer until everyone saw the switch.

01:55:58 [nechto13]

but they could be wrong as well, i'll keep looking

01:56:20 [wolfsong13]

i'm not sure if there is any impact for me yet

01:56:21 [teleGUISE_]

wolfsong13: ok.. i just noticed the links were bad when i referenced that page for nechto13 earlier ... so before i forgot i thought i'd ask.

01:56:26 [ruaok]

wikidoced: verb, to convert a static page to a wiki documentation page

01:56:47 [wolfsong13]

primaryily i've been creating tickets so i can get some people ive talked to about volunteering going

01:56:57 [ruaok]

good plan

01:57:09 [wolfsong13]

otherwise i'll tend to dive in and try to do it all

01:57:27 [ruaok]

my natural tendency is towards the same approach.

01:57:32 [wolfsong13]

* wolfsong13 should add wikidoced to MB Terminology

01:57:46 [ruaok]

that's why one of my mantras is "delegate, delegate, delegate!"

01:57:53 [ruaok]

you should....

01:57:56 [wolfsong13]

* wolfsong13 is a one man army at his day job

01:58:03 [wolfsong13]

yeah

01:58:05 [ruaok]

* ruaok is not surprised.

01:58:28 [ruaok]

so, which option do you think we should take?

01:58:34 [ruaok]

* ruaok needs to bug out soon

01:58:38 [wolfsong13]

i finally got one person to help and we're still so buried it's hard to have time to just explain what i do so i can give it to him

01:58:49 [wolfsong13]

hmmm

01:58:59 [ruaok]

who is the helper?

01:59:16 [wolfsong13]

since it doesn't impact me really i'm inclined to say move everything now

01:59:28 [wolfsong13]

get that whole thing behind you

01:59:40 [teleGUISE_]

nechto13: could be... since it references the sony classical link

01:59:43 [wolfsong13]

on WD?

01:59:59 [ruaok]

yeah.

02:00:16 [wolfsong13]

so far Shepard for general stuff

02:00:17 [ruaok]

so you want get everything moved by the end of the month?

02:00:19 [teleGUISE_]

nechtor: just noticed even Prokofiev's page says its approx 26 minutes for that piece - http://www.prokofiev.org/catalog/work.cfm?WorkID=167

02:00:22 [wolfsong13]

mo for AR stuff

02:00:33 [ruaok]

very good!

02:00:38 [wolfsong13]

maybe nikki for some of the more techie stuff

02:00:41 [teleGUISE_]

nechto13: oops just noticed even Prokofiev's page says its approx 26 minutes for that piece - http://www.prokofiev.org/catalog/work.cfm?WorkID=167

02:01:11 [wolfsong13]

and luks on picard pages which should only require updates with releases and very minor ones at that

02:01:38 [wolfsong13]

still could use some more hands but i'd like to create a bunch of tickets

02:01:40 [ruaok]

the usual suspects, I see. Good job!

02:01:56 [wolfsong13]

some of the easy areas i see would be terminology

02:02:13 [wolfsong13]

we link to those pages heavily but the content is fairly light

02:02:28 [ruaok]

I get the feeling I should buckle down and port the old wikidocs in order to give you guys time to do the job right.

02:02:40 [wolfsong13]

another task that concerns me is the current CCS

02:02:48 [ruaok]

CCS?

02:02:56 [wolfsong13]

CSS sorry

02:02:58 [ruaok]

Central Coast Surfboard?

02:03:12 [ruaok]

what about it?

02:03:18 [wolfsong13]

there are some oddities with list items that screw up indenting

02:03:31 [ruaok]

ah. do you speak CSS?

02:04:09 [wolfsong13]

not fluently but enough to take an existing css and sample page to tweak it

02:04:10 [nechto13]

teleGUISE_: alright, i'm convinced. :P also because i'd rather spend time doing something else instead of looking for the album with track times. i'll put the reasoning for reverting it back in mod notes

02:04:28 [wolfsong13]

i finally setup ubuntu but i'm not savvy on setting up apache

02:04:31 [ruaok]

if you can give me a concrete example, put it into a ticket and assign it to me.

02:04:47 [wolfsong13]

if i figure that out it will be easier

02:04:54 [ruaok]

I

02:04:55 [wolfsong13]

okay that's easy

02:05:01 [ruaok]

'd be glad to help ya with that.

02:05:06 [ruaok]

got a specific question?

02:05:43 [ruaok]

most of what you need for apache config is in admin/vh_httpd.conf

02:06:04 [wolfsong13]

http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ModerationFAQ

02:06:24 [ruaok]

indent is too large?

02:06:29 [ruaok]

* ruaok has noticed that

02:06:32 [wolfsong13]

if you look at How does the voting process work exactly?

02:07:03 [wolfsong13]

that section should have breaks that collapse because indents and lists are the same thing

02:07:33 [wolfsong13]

if they both exist in the same "section" any paragraph after a list has no break

02:07:50 [ruaok]

you know, I've seen that in other places too.

02:08:04 [wolfsong13]

you probably need to write a rule that cascades li>li or something like that

02:08:18 [ruaok]

yes, that needs to be addressed.

02:08:31 [wolfsong13]

and using [[BR]] creates a huge break instead

02:08:46 [ruaok]

can you please open a bug and capture this conversation. then I'll prod g0llum on this. He's the resident CSS expert

02:09:07 [ruaok]

yeah, we shouldn't be used breaks. The CSS is busted somehow.

02:09:09 [wolfsong13]

sure

02:09:14 [ruaok]

thanks.

02:09:21 [wolfsong13]

np

02:09:23 [ruaok]

OK, I'll plan on moving the old wikidocs over.

02:09:33 [ruaok]

that way you have time to do it right.

02:09:43 [wolfsong13]

ok

02:09:55 [ruaok]

* ruaok also had an idea on how to make 1.2 run on the same machine.

02:09:59 [wolfsong13]

you were going to do that tomorrow?

02:10:16 [ruaok]

yep. maybe later tonight if I don't go to a local concert.

02:10:33 [wolfsong13]

get out and enjoy some tunes

02:10:41 [ruaok]

should be a "seamless transition"

02:10:55 [ruaok]

*cough* *cough* bullshit *cough*

02:11:02 [wolfsong13]

LOL

02:11:08 [ruaok]

alas, that decision is not up to me.

02:11:26 [wolfsong13]

* wolfsong13 keeps his fingers crossed

02:11:27 [ruaok]

depends on sugar mama. Its date night and if she wants to crash early, I'll go play.

02:11:36 [nechto13]

teleGUISE_: the track is actually Allegro Moderato, so it's not performed as fast as Allegro even though it's still reasonably fast. but at this point i don't even care. hopefully, if someone has the release and will notice the difference they'll fix it or at least make enough of a fuss about it, so someone else will

02:11:42 [ruaok]

Otherwise I'll hang with her, since I will be gone the next two date-nights.

02:11:55 [wolfsong13]

awww date night

02:12:02 [wolfsong13]

that's good

02:12:07 [teleGUISE_]

nechto13: well the good thing is at least you know how to adjust the times when disc id's are attached ;)

02:12:25 [ruaok]

ok, and on that note. date night starts in 18 minutes, and I need a shower BAD.

02:12:29 [ruaok]

* ruaok runs off

02:12:37 [nechto13]

teleGUISE_: yep it was still a worthwhile experience

02:13:15 [teleGUISE_]

hmmm date night ?? does the GF know about that

02:13:33 [wolfsong13]

LOL

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02:17:19 [nechto13]

does anyone know how amazon asins work for albums that have cover art, but no amazon asin AR?

02:18:55 [wolfsong13]

you mean how it links to amazon?

02:19:11 [nechto13]

yes

02:22:08 [teleGUISE_]

there was a asin bot (if you will) that populated that information

02:22:38 [teleGUISE_]

basically a script ran and searched for amazon matching albums to the db and populated the asin ...

02:24:35 [nechto13]

teleGUISE_: so there's a field that relates an MB release to amazon, which is not displayed through interface and can

02:24:50 [nechto13]

*can't be modified by users

02:25:15 [teleGUISE_]

correct.. thats why it was decided to stop using it and go with the manual user correctable AR method

02:26:36 [nechto13]

ah i see. i think i suspected that's the case at some point

02:26:41 [teleGUISE_]

the AR overrides that information... as you will have or have noticed already.

02:27:41 [nechto13]

haven't noticed, but that's nice to know. what happens if the AR that overrides it is removed? does it revert back to the original album cover?

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02:29:15 [teleGUISE_]

ummm... that i don't know, never tried that. ;)

02:31:07 [nechto13]

hello GURT, i know you weren't curious about amazon convers on albums without asin ARs, but in case you actually wanted to know

02:31:09 [nechto13]

* nechto13 quotes teleGUISE_: basically a script ran and searched for amazon matching albums to the db and populated the asin ...

02:31:13 [teleGUISE_]

i dont know how it is stored in the db as to if the ASIN AR is in the field where the script asin was or if it has its own field..

02:32:28 [nechto13]

teleGUISE_: i understand. i think if you did, you could answer my previous question :)

02:33:29 [teleGUISE_]

do you happen to have a auto populated one that you AR replaced handy ??

02:33:39 [teleGUISE_]

+n

02:33:55 [GURT]

nechto13: ah ok.

02:35:45 [nechto13]

teleGUISE_: i've never put asin for an album with already existing cover so i don't

02:35:46 [teleGUISE_]

GURT: thats why i'm sure you noticed that the cover didnt always match the correct release... the script was pretty good but amazon kept making things more difficult for automation (iirc)

02:36:50 [teleGUISE_]

nechto13: ok... i just thought you may have had one handy.. wait i think i just fixed one.. for Mike Scott

02:38:01 [ojnkpjg]

the pitcher?

02:39:33 [ojnkpjg]

http://www.first-to-third.com/catalog/Nov20_61_tn.jpg

02:39:51 [nechto13]

* nechto13 watched demo for Spores http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8372603330420559198 and concluded that games are becoming so long and elaborate that soon eonugh they'll replace life for many people, even though that's happening already with MMRPG

02:39:53 [nechto13]

Spores doesn't even have multi-user interaction it seems, maybe it will have it whenever it's released

02:39:54 [lilo]

[Global Notice] Hi all. We're currently experiencing annoyancebot problems in a variety of different channels. You may want to consider temporarily using channel mode +R (only identified users can voice) for the time being.... sorry for the difficulties.

02:40:06 [nechto13]

i'm not changing the topic sort of posting a link

02:41:55 [nechto13]

ay caramba! there are 5 albums titled Still Burning 2 under one Mike Scott, 3 under other. they'll have to be merged too won't they?

02:43:05 [GURT]

teleGUISE_: never really had that issue. just one albums "bonus disc" was a picture of the album it acompanied

02:44:40 [GURT]

so i ended up giving it a random asin and then deleting the mod

02:46:40 [GURT]

afk

02:46:51 [teleGUISE_]

ahhh here it is - http://musicbrainz.org/album/6e8506a9-bd6e-4b2b-8ee4-8eaf5c173ee5.html and http://test.musicbrainz.org/album/6e8506a9-bd6e-4b2b-8ee4-8eaf5c173ee5.html

02:47:49 [teleGUISE_]

you guys see that?? now, i will ad the correct asin on the test server ... then put a removal edit in for guys to vote on so we can see .. OK

02:47:54 [teleGUISE_]

+d

02:50:51 [teleGUISE_]

yeah, nay, nobody care ;) ?

02:53:23 [nechto13]

teleGUISE_: link please?

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03:02:07 [teleGUISE_]

nechto13: what these?? - http://test.musicbrainz.org/album/6e8506a9-bd6e-4b2b-8ee4-8eaf5c173ee5.html .. http://musicbrainz.org/album/6e8506a9-bd6e-4b2b-8ee4-8eaf5c173ee5.html

03:04:13 [nechto13]

teleGUISE_: i thought you were gonna remove an asin AR to see what happens. i meant links to the mod

03:04:40 [teleGUISE_]

oh.. nobody said anything so i didnt do it... being if no votes i would never find out ;) ... ok hang on

03:06:35 [teleGUISE_]

http://test.musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=3930630 <-- Need some votes here for the test please

03:07:44 [teleGUISE_]

of course you will have to login to the test server to do so

03:07:58 [nechto13]

teleGUISE_: i have an accept button. is that the same thing as an approve?

03:08:32 [teleGUISE_]

wow thats new... i just noticed i have an accept reject button too

03:09:09 [teleGUISE_]

i can accept or reject my own edits :0 ??

03:09:19 [teleGUISE_]

go ahead and give it a shot and see what happens

03:09:41 [nechto13]

alright. here we go :P

03:10:07 [teleGUISE_]

no more image...

03:11:20 [teleGUISE_]

ok so that answers that question... which makes sense.. if someone felt the old image wrong and added an ar, then someone else found the ar link wrong removing it should be blank because the person requesting the AR ASIN removal -should- have made the correct ASIN AR addition

03:12:08 [teleGUISE_]

or stated there was none if be the case

03:15:09 [nechto13]

hmm. my guess is applying asin AR also clears the field filled in by the script (it could also be clearing the field on remove, but i'd find that unlikely). still does that mean that it's 2 separate fields?

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05:36:54 [lilo]

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05:38:50 [BGreeNZ]

What's +R ?

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05:49:14 [lilo]

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05:49:51 [MrQwerty]

"only identified users can voice"

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06:08:48 [g0llum]

moin

06:12:31 [lilo]

[Global Notice] Hi all. You may want to consider reverting from channel mode +R at this point, though if our problem person comes back, we'd advise using it again promptly, and leaving it up for a while. Thanks to everyone involved for your patience!

06:25:33 [HairMetalAddict]

Death to mornings!

06:27:31 [g0llum]

argh :)

06:31:20 [lilo]

[Global Notice] Hi folks. Our problem child is back. You'll probably want to use +R for a few more hours. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks.

06:31:54 [nikki_]

* nikki_ blinks groggily

06:38:27 [Muz]

* Muz yans and rubs his eyes

06:38:31 [Muz]

Errr, yawns

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06:42:11 [nikki_]

bloody wednesdays

06:44:52 [Muz]

Bloody mornings

06:45:20 [nikki_]

wednesdays are worse

06:45:30 [nikki_]

I have no free periods :/

06:45:35 [Muz]

Wednesdays always used to be shitty in school

06:45:52 [Muz]

Had all my least favourite subjects, in the most awkward order, with work almost always due :\

06:46:28 [nikki_]

I have maths, maths, tutorial, physics, chemistry, maths, maths. not only do I have no free periods, I have 4 periods of maths!

06:46:47 [nikki_]

er

06:46:49 [nikki_]

not chemistry, electronics

06:46:52 [nikki_]

* nikki_ is too tired

06:49:23 [BGreeNZ]

(Goo|Ba)d (morn|even)ing everyone

06:49:35 [Muz]

Hey BGreeNZ

06:49:48 [BGreeNZ]

Or, maybe just .* everyone :)

06:49:53 [nikki_]

time of day!

06:50:26 [BGreeNZ]

!time new zealand

06:50:26 [BrainzBot_]

06:50:26 new zealand

06:50:33 [Muz]

It's broken!

06:50:34 [ruaok]

!time fussland

06:50:34 [BrainzBot_]

06:50:34 fussland

06:50:49 [ruaok]

I'll say

06:51:15 [BGreeNZ]

Yes, I think I noticed that last time I tried it. 18:50 NZST

06:51:40 [BGreeNZ]

Yes, Muz?

06:51:50 [Muz]

I was CTCPing you to get the time :P

06:51:53 [BGreeNZ]

..or was that just a greeting

06:52:00 [Muz]

Oh, that was a greeting

06:53:33 [BGreeNZ]

Hmm. Client-To-Client Protocol. Can't say I've heard of that one..

06:53:56 [ruaok]

g0llum: still with us?

06:54:28 [BGreeNZ]

He was here a few minutes ago.

06:54:36 [g0llum]

ruaok: sure

06:54:57 [ruaok]

got a q for you. lemme find the example

06:55:11 [Muz]

CTCP is an easy rudimentary way of triggering various things, and there're a few that are genric

06:55:20 [BGreeNZ]

..and nikki_ hasn't fled the room. Guess that means you two made up?

06:55:27 [Muz]

Namely PING, TIME, VERSION and FINGER, which should be pretty self explanatory

06:55:32 [ruaok]

g0llum: see http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ModerationFAQ

06:56:01 [ruaok]

the latter portion of "How does the voting process work exactly?"... the paragraphs run together.

06:56:43 [ruaok]

the only way to get some spacing between these paragraphs is to insert <br/>, even though the paragraphs are properly enclosed in <p></p>

06:57:01 [ruaok]

I'm guessing its some sort of CSS wonkieness

06:57:15 [g0llum]

mom.

06:58:00 [g0llum]

i remember, that the css of the main site has margin:0 for <p>

06:58:22 [g0llum]

on http://test.musicbrainz.org/doc/ModerationFAQ, it looks good?

06:59:08 [g0llum]

nikki_ just told me i should not use mom unless i want to talk about my mom. (hi mom!)

06:59:12 [ruaok]

g0llum: no

06:59:19 [g0llum]

but since you are german, it works ;)

06:59:32 [ruaok]

I had to stop and think for a moment.

06:59:35 [nikki_]

* nikki_ grins

06:59:44 [ruaok]

the test server still has those running together.

06:59:56 [ruaok]

but the test server is still on SVN.

07:00:04 [ruaok]

would this improve if I switched it to SVN?

07:00:16 [ruaok]

s/SVN/CVS/ on the first line

07:00:26 [nikki_]

uh oh, I've wasted half an hour

07:00:30 [nikki_]

* nikki_ gets dressed

07:01:18 [g0llum]

on IE and FF winXP, it looks exactly like the wiki

07:01:41 [g0llum]

but FF indents the <ol> too much (or IE wrong, presumably)

07:02:20 [g0llum]

i see 3 paragraphs in the "How does the voting process work exactly?"

07:02:30 [g0llum]

Firstly, the moderation ...

07:02:32 [g0llum]

Otherwise, the moderation ...

07:02:36 [g0llum]

Each time a user looks ...

07:02:47 [g0llum]

ruaok: freddy says hi!

07:02:48 [ruaok]

camino: bad ff mac: bad

07:02:54 [ruaok]

hi freddy!

07:03:14 [g0llum]

Ä liäbä Gruäss vo miär (Ein lieber Gruss von mir)

07:03:30 [ruaok]

safari: bad

07:03:42 [g0llum]

css=fun!

07:03:43 [ruaok]

danke gleichfalls!

07:03:55 [g0llum]

can you enter a ticket, with a screenie please?

07:04:13 [ruaok]

* ruaok nods

07:04:16 [g0llum]

grumble

07:05:00 [ruaok]

oh yes.

07:05:10 [ruaok]

it appears to be an interaction between ul and p

07:05:19 [g0llum]

the settings are in main.css on the bottom

07:05:20 [g0llum]

http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/browser/mb_server/trunk/htdocs/css/main.css#L1007

07:05:28 [g0llum]

i figured that much

07:05:38 [g0llum]

why does wiki add <p> into <li> anyway :(

07:06:03 [ruaok]

dunno...

07:06:09 [ruaok]

but I've seen this outside of wikidocs.

07:06:23 [ruaok]

I've had to insert a <br/> when I put the old tagger back into index.html

07:06:28 [g0llum]

i started tweaking the settings, because the list items ran into the left border of the /doc/ page

07:06:31 [ruaok]

so, its not just a wikidoc problem.

07:06:57 [g0llum]

i'd suggest getting rid of <p> wherever possible

07:07:03 [g0llum]

<div> gives much more flexibility

07:08:30 [ruaok]

* ruaok has wondered about that

07:10:34 [nikki_]

why was the padding or whatever in <p> tags removed anyway?

07:10:39 [g0llum]

another thing to consider..

07:10:47 [g0llum]

it could be a html4.0 trans -> xhtml 1.1 issue

07:10:58 [nikki_]

I'm sure it's in the css

07:11:01 [BGreeNZ]

g0llum: The problem with <div> is that it has no semantics. There is no way, from a markup point of view, to tell whether this <div> is a paragraph, list item, heading, or some other block element

07:11:17 [g0llum]

for texts, it is ok.

07:11:27 [g0llum]

but it is used for anything else as well

07:11:55 [g0llum]

nikki_: look, it is here: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/browser/mb_server/trunk/htdocs/css/main.css#L55

07:11:58 [nikki_]

in main.css: /* globallby turn off <p> TODO: why use paragraphs then? */ p { margin: 0px; }

07:11:59 [g0llum]

i just added the comment

07:12:03 [ruaok]

g0llum: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/attachment/ticket/1363

07:12:15 [nikki_]

hehe, see!

07:12:41 [nikki_]

it says bad request

07:13:09 [g0llum]

http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/attachment/ticket/1363/para_run_ins.png

07:13:21 [g0llum]

ruaok: are we talking about different paragraphs?

07:13:35 [g0llum]

are you talking about the list items with the unfilled bullets?

07:13:54 [g0llum]

because this looks exactly the same to me: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ModerationFAQ

07:14:15 [g0llum]

only the lines of the <ul> have less vertical spacing between the items

07:14:58 [g0llum]

if that is the case, it is easy to fix (i think)

07:15:01 [g0llum]

just add some padding-bottom to the li items

07:15:06 [ruaok]

I think these bullets are not empty.

07:15:33 [g0llum]

its a circle with with filling????

07:15:46 [g0llum]

i'm looking at the screenshot

07:16:24 [ruaok]

* ruaok is hopelessly confuse

07:16:44 [g0llum]

* g0llum noticed

07:16:46 [luks]

g0llum: li p { margin-bottom: 1em }

07:16:47 [luks]

:)

07:16:51 [g0llum]

unfilled != empty

07:16:57 [g0llum]

luks: too much

07:17:26 [g0llum]

if it should look the same as the wiki, ~5px would suffice

07:17:43 [luks]

* luks just doesn't like pxs :)

07:17:47 [g0llum]

and the em stuff does not work the same in all browser, correct me if i'm wrong

07:18:14 [luks]

the em depends on a font size

07:18:47 [luks]

so if i use big fonts, i probably want to have more space than 5px

07:19:40 [g0llum]

the resize feature of ff and opera scales the margins+padding accordingly

07:19:49 [HairMetalAddict]

I've found 0.5 or 0.6 em to be a decent bottom margin for p's on some sites I've done.

07:19:50 [luks]

it does??

07:20:28 [nikki_]

* nikki_ never quite understood em but doesn't like pt

07:20:40 [luks]

g0llum: look for example at chatlogs.musicbrainz.org and resize the font

07:20:54 [luks]

margins will stay at 5px

07:21:14 [luks]

hm

07:21:20 [luks]

maybe not

07:21:31 [g0llum]

pt=worst

07:21:40 [luks]

yes, pt is not for screens

07:21:45 [nikki_]

exactly :P

07:21:47 [luks]

pt is good for printing

07:22:14 [luks]

em is the same as %

07:22:18 [HairMetalAddict]

em: If the font is showing to the user at 12px, a 0.5em bottom margin would put 6px (12 * 0.5) under the text. Thus the spacing will change depending on the font size.

07:22:18 [luks]

but in better scale

07:23:14 [nikki_]

I'm probablky going to miss the buss

07:23:18 [nikki_]

byeee

07:24:37 [HairMetalAddict]

Q: Is there a style rule that says not to put the artist name in a Greatest Hits album title, even if the artist name is shown in the title? (Meaning a style rule that tells us to change "Artist Name's Greatest Hits" or "The Best of Artist Name" to just "Greatest Hits"/"Best Of"?) Referring only to when the album itself uses the artist name in such titles, of course.

07:24:56 [g0llum]

bye nikki_

07:25:00 [HairMetalAddict]

Got a mod note saying there is one, but I've never heard of it. Need to verify...

07:25:27 [HairMetalAddict]

Wiki and Style page searches turned up nothing.

07:25:51 [g0llum]

luks: i have the stance now that the site has to look good in the default settings first.

07:26:43 [g0llum]

and we have plenty of things that are suggested (or sometimes shouted) all over the place, but not much help :(

07:29:12 [g0llum]

ruaok: are you satisfied with this?

07:29:29 [g0llum]

e.g. i'll look into it after work today

07:31:48 [HairMetalAddict]

Anyone aware of such a rule? I don't think it exists unless something's changed recently.

07:32:15 [juhae]

Never heard of anything like that.

07:33:06 [ruaok]

g0llum: cool, thanks.

07:34:16 [ruaok]

luks: do you know if you can pass a python distutils setup.py script something like a --prefix argument?

07:34:44 [ruaok]

I want to install the moin modules into /usr/local/lib/python2.4, not /usr

07:34:54 [HairMetalAddict]

Kay, I'll just keep the no vote and ask 'em to link to the style rule they're claiming exists.

07:37:05 [luks]

ruaok: python setup.py install --prefix=/usr/local

07:38:58 [ruaok]

no way. :-(

07:39:39 [luks]

hm, works fine here

07:39:43 [ruaok]

sheesh, I should go to sleep.

07:39:45 [g0llum]

ruaok: possibly something for your blog... wtf! http://forum.golem.de/list.php?10256 :)

07:39:48 [ruaok]

did here too. :-)

07:39:54 [g0llum]

even worse then the RIAA

07:40:06 [ruaok]

saw that.

07:40:11 [g0llum]

awesome feature

07:40:18 [ruaok]

guess what. no one will buy philips TVs then. :-)

07:40:31 [ruaok]

simple natural selection.

07:41:10 [g0llum]

it really looks like some people never learn

07:48:09 [Muz]

* Muz wishes he could read g0llum's link

07:48:38 [Muz]

I got up to "Patent auf ein" and then it all flew over myhead

07:49:50 [ruaok]

MUz: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn9011&feedId=online-news_rss20

07:49:54 [Muz]

Thanks ruaok

07:50:49 [Muz]

Wow... that's really... crap

07:51:02 [Muz]

Then again, there's nothing stopping you from turning the TV off during those adbreaks...

07:51:34 [ruaok]

that's the next patent. ssssh!

07:52:56 [Muz]

Ah well, it's not like TV has that much on it worth watching

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08:09:57 [timo-]

"Philips' patent acknowledges that this may be "greatly resented by viewers" who could initially think their equipment has gone wrong."

08:10:06 [timo-]

yes. that's why people would resent it

08:11:45 [ruaok]

cool, I think I got wikidocs up on scooby.

08:11:48 [ruaok]

time to go to bed.

08:12:02 [ruaok]

night all!

08:13:01 [g0llum]

night

08:16:41 [ruaok]

ahhh. much better!

08:16:42 [ruaok]

http://musicbrainz.org/wd/AboutMusicBrainz

08:17:05 [ruaok]

using the new wikdocs server, the external link icons (read: ugly ass) are gone.

08:17:20 [ruaok]

I added the bottom margin to the p in the css to.

08:17:22 [ruaok]

too

08:18:02 [ruaok]

shit. I broke the main wiki. not good.

08:18:15 [Muz]

Oh me, oh my

08:20:47 [g0llum]

you ported the /wd/ thingies now?

08:24:03 [ruaok]

fixed.

08:24:05 [ruaok]

no.

08:24:12 [ruaok]

I moved wikidocs.mb.org to scooby

08:24:28 [ruaok]

I had a hack a few things, but it'll do.

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08:26:50 [ruaok]

poor zim. not loved anymore.

08:29:25 [Muz]

You could donate him to someone who'd foster him... like me :3

08:31:16 [g0llum]

* g0llum is seriously confused by the wikidocs

08:31:28 [g0llum]

this will be turned off soon anyway?

08:31:42 [ruaok]

all the /wd/ will go soon

08:31:46 [g0llum]

ah.

08:33:21 [g0llum]

there's sure more things involved than hacking a bit of code when running such a project :)

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08:38:29 [BGreeNZ]

If anyone is sufficiently bored, here's some open mods to vote on: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/moderator-open.html?moderator=76483

08:41:38 [g0llum]

i'm not bored, but the temptation of posted links is big as always

08:42:05 [g0llum]

...spotted a mistake: these bands needs to be merged, thus it's wrong to add the wikipedia link twice

08:42:41 [ruaok]

* ruaok grins evilly

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08:42:49 [ruaok]

attracted to links, are we?

08:42:56 [ruaok]

shiny blinky links?

08:43:02 [ruaok]

http://tubgirl.com

08:43:11 [g0llum]

...have...to...click...

08:43:22 [ruaok]

(NSW!)

08:43:40 [ruaok]

(new south wales?)

08:43:45 [ruaok]

NWS. :-)

08:44:05 [BGreeNZ]

g0llum: I checked that. According to WP, the band was first named "The Hot Chocolate Band", and was later shortened to "Hot Chocolate", so they have releases under both names

08:45:21 [BGreeNZ]

ruaok: The temptation was too strong. I just *had* to click it :)

08:45:36 [ruaok]

I'm sorry. ;-)

08:46:01 [BGreeNZ]

Now I kind of wish I hadn't.. :)

08:46:02 [ruaok]

ok, this is me going to bed.

08:46:03 [ruaok]

natta!

08:46:04 [g0llum]

artists which changed their name are listed under one artist entry

08:46:23 [g0llum]

ruaok: omg.

08:46:43 [ruaok]

* ruaok snickers

08:46:49 [ruaok]

if you leave the door wiiiide open.

08:46:56 [ruaok]

and mo thinks he is a perv

08:47:12 [g0llum]

you should add [office alert] to such links :P

08:47:38 [BGreeNZ]

g0llum: Since when?

08:47:42 [ruaok]

NSW = not safe for work, BTW.

08:47:49 [g0llum]

waga!

08:48:12 [ruaok]

poly-klepto!

08:48:24 [ruaok]

* ruaok flumps

08:48:31 [ruaok]

* ruaok is away: flumping

08:50:37 [g0llum]

BGreeNZ: in any case, you'll need to add start-end dates if you want to keep both.

08:51:04 [g0llum]

and add links in the annotation to the other. i'm for keeping those separate, too - but its not how it has been done in the past.

08:52:16 [BGreeNZ]

I'm sure there's plenty of examples of artists changing their names in the database.

08:52:40 [g0llum]

just talkin' out of experience, man.

08:52:42 [g0llum]

:)

08:53:22 [BGreeNZ]

In this case, though, the name change is so trivial that we could probably do it with an alias if we have to

08:55:15 [g0llum]

you have dates when the name change happened?

08:55:53 [BGreeNZ]

They're probably on WP somewhere. I'll check

08:57:14 [g0llum]

http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4646557

09:00:33 [BGreeNZ]

So http://musicbrainz.org/album/4a7f0dc7-9985-4699-9695-18efb8cdff9f.html would be the only release under the original name, then?

09:08:52 [BGreeNZ]

So, are we merging them then?

09:16:45 [BGreeNZ]

* BGreeNZ shrugs, and votes "Yes"

09:22:23 [BGreeNZ]

g0llum: How can I vote on your open mods, if you don't have any? :(

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09:28:54 [BGreeNZ]

BTW, thanks for your votes, ppl

09:43:55 [BGreeNZ]

g0llum: I see you've closed the RFE I opened for you. Is there anywhere I can see the results?

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10:40:42 [VxJasonxV]

I have songs by an artist's name who is literally a smiley character, but MusicBrainz doesn't appear to be able to accept that?

10:40:52 [VxJasonxV]

I'd ideally like to have the smiley character as the name, and sort name as 'smiley'

10:46:25 [Mudcrow]

ideally I'd like a Ferrari F50, but such is life

10:47:34 [VxJasonxV]

:|

10:48:18 [Mudcrow]

or a Ferrari 250 LM would be nice, I'd be happy to settle for that

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10:57:41 [Mudcrow]

☺

10:57:45 [Mudcrow]

like that?

10:57:59 [VxJasonxV]

thank you

10:58:07 [VxJasonxV]

I've been trying to load it on visibone... but ugh

10:58:08 [VxJasonxV]

too many characters

10:58:25 [VxJasonxV]

I put that into MusicBrainz artist submission and... well. I don't remember what happens :P

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12:16:36 [nikkitest]

ruaok: (reading chatlogs) please change the times back for the subscribed mails

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12:19:40 [nikkitest]

it's just weird having it arrive at 4:30

12:21:48 [nikkitest]

wolfsong13: me for techie stuff? hmm?

12:27:00 [wolfsong13]

errr well

12:27:05 [wolfsong13]

please?

12:28:50 [nikkitest]

what?

12:29:01 [nikkitest]

I have no idea what's going on even though I read the chat logs

12:29:36 [wolfsong13]

wikidocs

12:29:58 [wolfsong13]

remember when i asked last week about you updating a few wiki pages?

12:30:04 [nikkitest]

no

12:30:12 [nikkitest]

you never asked me about updating wiki pages :o

12:30:27 [nikkitest]

shock horror, I found another site that's not blocked from college :o

12:30:46 [wolfsong13]

hmmmm must have been an imposter

12:30:56 [wolfsong13]

you said something about me doing all the work

12:31:22 [nikkitest]

huh...

12:31:31 [nikkitest]

* nikkitest does not remember this conversation at all.

12:32:08 [nikkitest]

are you sure it was me?

12:32:24 [wolfsong13]

yes

12:33:24 [nikkitest]

* nikkitest isn't

12:33:30 [nikkitest]

do you have logs? :o

12:33:53 [wolfsong13]

* wolfsong13 has never figured out how to search them

12:34:45 [nikkitest]

well, you'll just have to agree that you were imagining things if you can't work it out :P

12:35:18 [wolfsong13]

i knew i should have copied that one

12:36:17 [wolfsong13]

but since you really really really want to help anyway it makes no difference right?

12:37:15 [nikkitest]

how can I help when I don't know what's going on :/

12:38:13 [wolfsong13]

just updating a few pages in the wiki so we can wikidoc them

12:38:36 [nikkitest]

updating how?

12:39:54 [wolfsong13]

just making current and cleaning up formatting

12:40:54 [nikkitest]

we'll see

12:41:02 [nikkitest]

I have tons of work to do

12:41:12 [wolfsong13]

well i understand

12:41:16 [nikkitest]

I should be working now, but I need a break :/

12:41:50 [wolfsong13]

i'll find someone don't worry about it

12:42:56 [nikkitest]

well, I'm off to go find some chocolate and a drink before maths

12:43:01 [nikkitest]

back later!

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* Muz sees nikki found a way of IRCing from college

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13:26:02 [Muz]

* Muz pokes Shepard with a new Finntroll vocalist

13:37:41 [Mudcrow]

* Mudcrow pokes amazon with a troll

13:39:17 [Mudcrow]

bastards list my CD with correct title and label and catalogue number, with the wrong track listing, and also list it with the wrong title, label, catalogue number but the correct track listing

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14:03:38 [inhouseuk]

mud, that is nothing unusual with amazon

14:08:14 [Mudcrow]

amazon does seem to be getting worse recently, I've been coming across countless errors, wrong tracklistings, wrong covers, wrong artists

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14:14:55 [GURT]

haha. nice host mask rod

14:16:15 [RodBegbie]

cheers!

14:29:23 [inhouseuk]

* inhouseuk is tempted to register arse.eu

14:30:05 [inhouseuk]

just so I can have a hostname shove-it-up-your.arse.eu

14:32:19 [GURT]

* GURT wonders if cornhole.something is available

14:32:29 [inhouseuk]

:)

14:32:58 [Muz]

* Muz wants a .cat domain name to abuse

14:33:11 [GURT]

microwaved.cat

14:33:18 [Muz]

kick.your.cat

14:37:02 [inhouseuk]

I swear my wife thinks she's a cat sometimes. She finished nightshift earlier, came home, ate a small tin of pilchards, got into bed (where I was still sleeping) and breathed fishy breath over me :(

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14:37:37 [Mudcrow]

did she leave a small dead animal on the doorstep?

14:37:46 [Muz]

It's a sign of affection ;)

14:37:51 [inhouseuk]

not yet

14:38:36 [GURT]

hmm how long has this new tool album been floating around?

14:39:19 [Muz]

A while

14:39:22 [inhouseuk]

one of my pet cats used to collect fallen leaves. I'd arrive home from work and find a pile of leaves in the hall way

14:41:00 [GURT]

i wonder if it has new songs on it or if its a rehash of a previous album ala laturalus

14:46:55 [MBChatLogger]

Down with DRM!

14:46:55 [inhouseuk]

and interesting DRM article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4918076.stm

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15:17:29 [nikki_]

Muz: yes! they haven't blocked inhouseuk's server yet

15:18:03 [nikki_]

they have blocked livejournal, del.icio.us, musicbrainz (but not chatlogs.mb) and practically everything else except wikipedia and myspace

15:18:11 [nikki_]

oh, and google

15:18:57 [tru]

huh, who has blocked half-internet for you?

15:19:02 [nikki_]

and if the rest of college are allowed to waste time on myspace, I can fucking waste time on mb!

15:19:05 [nikki_]

tru: college

15:19:33 [nikki_]

they also somehow block port 22, so no reading email for me

15:20:36 [Kerensky97]

That sounds like a load of s**t, myspace is the first one to block, not the last.

15:20:45 [nikki_]

yeah :(

15:20:59 [nikki_]

how is *del.icio.us* bad and not myspace?

15:21:07 [nikki_]

del.icio.us is just like a load of urls!

15:21:19 [nikki_]

it doesn't have any real content, ffs!

15:21:31 [Kerensky97]

and email! WTF?

15:21:50 [nikki_]

Kerensky97: well, I have to use ssh to get at my email

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15:21:58 [nikki_]

hence the port 22 comment :)

15:21:59 [catmo]

nikki: it *might* link to porn omg

15:22:06 [nikki_]

catmo: so might google!

15:22:07 [catmo]

* catmo readthe chatloggs

15:22:14 [catmo]

I know exatly

15:22:16 [nikki_]

so might myspace!!

15:22:23 [catmo]

your college is crazy

15:22:27 [nikki_]

in fact, myspace seems more likely to have porn than del.icio.us

15:22:42 [catmo]

exactly

15:22:47 [catmo]

thus: WTF

15:22:49 [nikki_]

oh!

15:23:10 [nikki_]

they even blocked the chief examiner for our electronics syllabus's website!

15:23:17 [catmo]

XD

15:23:20 [catmo]

rofl

15:23:34 [catmo]

what was RodBegbie'd host mask that was so funny?=

15:23:54 [Kerensky97]

sounds like somebody got pissed file trading was going on and decided to turn off the internet.

15:23:56 [nikki_]

which was frustrating, I wanted to read some comments he'd made about electronics coursework.

15:24:11 [catmo]

* catmo shakes head

15:24:28 [nikki_]

I don't know how anyone can do any file trading

15:24:33 [nikki_]

we only have 50mb of space

15:24:43 [catmo]

you should really bring that up: say how am I supposed to even use this if it even blocks *school* stuff?

15:25:05 [catmo]

computers at school have a limit to how much you can put on the desctop

15:25:08 [catmo]

ë_ë

15:25:40 [nikki_]

I wouldn't really care if it weren't for the fact I'm *always* sat next to someone reading myspace.

15:25:53 [catmo]

it's not fair

15:25:57 [catmo]

really

15:26:00 [nikki_]

and there I am, trying to read stuff relevant!

15:26:25 [catmo]

sux

15:26:27 [GURT]

i've never seen porn on myspace ever

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15:26:43 [Mudcrow]

mo: n=rod@blazing.arsecandle.org

15:26:53 [catmo]

arsecandle?! wow

15:27:07 [catmo]

that's right up there with asshat :o

15:27:14 [catmo]

* catmo dances

15:27:19 [catmo]

I have cereal

15:27:21 [catmo]

:D

15:28:05 [inhouseuk]

GURT: it depends on whether you classify young girls pictured in their underwear as pornography

15:28:12 [Kerensky97]

nikki_: Can you still get to proxify?

15:28:29 [nikki_]

?

15:28:36 [Kerensky97]

http://proxify.com/

15:28:59 [catmo]

could try stuff like 'babelizer' too

15:29:00 [nikki_]

dunno right now, I'm at home

15:29:39 [Kerensky97]

It's not as good as having your own proxy server but we use it at work to bypass the filter.

15:29:58 [catmo]

:o

15:29:59 [catmo]

cool

15:30:34 [catmo]

weeee

15:30:54 [catmo]

this box is filled with pink isophor thingies to protect the contence

15:45:09 [catmo]

yay captn crunch is cool

15:48:17 [catmo]

it has LINK on it

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15:52:42 [Shepard]

* Shepard waves

15:53:33 [nikki_]

hi hi simon!

15:56:00 [catmo]

hmph

15:56:05 [catmo]

hi shep

16:02:59 [catmo]

interesting http://cdbaby.com/found?allsearch=code&allsearchsubmit=Search

16:13:52 [catmo]

"A Mash-Up Medley of Classic rock and retro hip hop. This piece is a Mash-Up Medley centered around Foreigner's "Juke Box Hero". Like most of my productions, it's chopped, mixed and edited for those afflicted with ADHD (in the key of E minor). Lacks a bit of direction, but was fun as hell to make. Scratches harnessed by the power of Serato (talk about a killer production tool)."

16:13:54 [catmo]

XD

16:15:39 [Shepard]

eek so what is it now?

16:16:05 [Shepard]

like, a mash-up or a medley? :/

16:16:12 [catmo]

either :)

16:16:13 [catmo]

both

16:16:15 [catmo]

dunno

16:16:31 [catmo]

was laughing atthe ADHD comment... perhaps that's why I like mash-ups?

16:16:35 [catmo]

soo chaotic :p

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can i please get some votes or aproval on this track so i may tag it? http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4643986

16:47:16 [MBChatLogger]

I see no action items

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17:30:17 [nikki_]

where's g0llum when I want him?

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17:53:13 [tru]

welcome.

17:53:39 [catmo]

hi ruaok

17:53:47 [catmo]

hey dj

17:54:30 [djce]

moin all!

17:59:46 [nikki_]

moin ruaok

18:00:54 [catmo]

ugh its made harder and arder to tag with the old mb tagger. isn't it :)

18:01:13 [nikki_]

of course

18:01:51 [catmo]

it I change the name after it searches. (eg if no artist name i nthe taggs already) then there is no 'tag' icon in the search

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18:13:24 [ruaok]

moin kids!

18:13:30 [ruaok]

* ruaok waves at djce

18:13:31 [catmo]

moin pops

18:13:36 [djce]

moin

18:13:58 [djce]

* djce dicks around with policy routing. mmmm, black magic.

18:15:46 [Shepard]

kleptomania ruaok

18:24:22 [ruaok]

moin Shepard

18:24:30 [ruaok]

listen much to Extrabreit?

18:25:43 [Shepard]

never heard

18:25:55 [Shepard]

but I sometimes feel like that ;)

18:26:19 [ruaok]

they have a song called Kleptomanie

18:27:54 [nikki_]

* nikki_ curses at maths

18:28:43 [nikki_]

also, our maths class has dwindled down to just three british students now

18:29:33 [catmo]

this is kinda irritating: both picard and old tagger puts spaces in the 'comment field' is this a feature?

18:35:39 [GURT]

MBChatLogger: http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4643986

18:35:39 [MBChatLogger]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4643986', GURT. Try /msg MBChatLogger help

18:35:39 [GURT]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4643986', GURT. Try /msg MBChatLogger help

18:40:53 [djce]

MBChatLogger: hey

18:40:53 [MBChatLogger]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'hey', djce. Try /msg MBChatLogger help

18:40:53 [djce]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'hey', djce. Try /msg MBChatLogger help

18:41:13 [djce]

Is that bug back again? I thought I fixed that.

18:41:15 [djce]

grrr.

18:44:33 [catmo]

I didn't try the most recent picard. I'll try it hust now i na bit to see if its still a problem

18:45:01 [ruaok]

which bug is that?

18:45:20 [catmo]

writes spaces in the comment field

18:49:41 [ruaok]

* ruaok was talking to djce

18:49:51 [catmo]

oh I thought he ment that

18:49:57 [djce]

Ah, nothing too exciting.

18:50:12 [djce]

Simply that when MBChatLogger says something (e.g. "I don't understand..."),

18:50:22 [djce]

it logs itself as saying it, then it logs you as saying it.

18:50:33 [djce]

http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/2006/2006-04/2006-04-19.html#T18-40-53-873545

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is logging

18:51:43 [calvino.freenode.net]

topic is: http://musicbrainz.org/ | Please add yourself to http://www.frappr.com/musicbrainz

18:51:43 [calvino.freenode.net]

Users on #musicbrainz: MBChatLogger djce Amblienne catmo toxickore Kerensky97 Shepard pankkake LTjake mustaqila luks Mudcrow Muz GURT ruaok wolfsong13 MrQwerty UserErr0r ojnkpjg joshk nikki_ tolsen asmodai sysrq Russ[work] trotek Knio HairMetalAddict inhouseuk MattF VxJasonxV jipp Shrike vegard klang canidae Eclipser adamcik flamingcow juhae BrainzBot_ Muti timo- warp enjayhch _thom_ tru

18:51:54 [djce]

MBChatLogger: how are you feeling?

18:51:54 [MBChatLogger]

I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'how are you feeling'

18:51:55 [catmo]

MBChatLogger: hey

18:51:55 [MBChatLogger]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'hey', catmo. Try /msg MBChatLogger help

18:52:54 [djce]

hm

18:53:46 [djce]

Hmmm, didn't Freenode change something a while back so you have to register with nickserv to priv messages?

18:54:05 [catmo]

that or the resipient can use

18:54:07 [catmo]

/msg nickserv set unfiltered on

18:54:15 [djce]

thanks

18:54:33 [djce]

ah, that's it.

18:54:51 [djce]

ok, seems happier.

18:55:16 [nikki_]

catmo: but they still have to register ;)

18:55:45 [catmo]

I said 'or the respient'

18:55:47 [catmo]

:)

18:55:55 [nikki_]

yes, they still have to register

18:56:15 [catmo]

presumably they are. its when one who isn't registred tries to talk to one who is..

18:56:31 [catmo]

two who arent can they talk?

18:56:36 [nikki_]

don't think so

18:56:39 [catmo]

hmm

18:56:57 [nikki_]

that's really confusing

18:57:19 [catmo]

its sucks bigtime

18:57:24 [catmo]

bbl, TV

18:57:27 [nikki_]

I have a song in my playlist called "love merry-go-round" and one called "luvly, merry-go-round"

18:58:09 [nikki_]

and I always mistake the not-so-hyper-bouncy-jpop one for the one that is

18:59:05 [Muz]

* Muz thought all nikki's music was happy bouncy jpoppy stuff :P

18:59:14 [nikki_]

nope

18:59:27 [nikki_]

although it's still jpop, just not as happy bouncy

18:59:54 [Muz]

Actually that's a lie, I see you've listened to L'ame Immortelle on occasion and i have that artist in my library too

19:00:24 [nikki_]

I love l'âme immortelle :o

19:00:31 [nikki_]

well, actually, I love sonja's voice.

19:00:38 [Muz]

* Muz hasn't listened to it in a long while

19:00:57 [Muz]

And yes, her vocals out do that other person's vocals

19:01:08 [nikki_]

the guy's?

19:01:11 [Muz]

Aye

19:01:22 [nikki_]

he has a name, you know :P

19:01:31 [Muz]

I know he has a name, I just don't know what it is :P

19:02:00 [Muz]

* Muz crawls off elsewhere for a few

19:02:09 [nikki_]

thomas

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man do i have to poop

20:07:53 [catmo]

to whom ever it concerns: the newest tagger (picard 0.7 beta2) still adds spaces in the 'comment' field

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20:11:19 [tru]

I think that's a libtp thingy.

20:11:32 [catmo]

I should perhaps add a bug report

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jupp

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good riddance. freak

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20:30:21 [nikki_]

hi ruaok

20:30:24 [catmo]

waga!

20:30:25 [ruaok]

heya

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20:46:26 [nikki_]

* nikki_ prods Kerensky97

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* Muz Kerensky97's nikki

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20:52:59 [nikki_]

hi g0llum!

20:53:04 [nikki_]

I wanted to ask you something

20:53:40 [g0llum]

hi

20:53:50 [nikki_]

except I can't remember what it was :)

20:55:19 [g0llum]

* g0llum is tired

20:56:19 [Shepard]

she always wants you when you are gone ;)

20:56:58 [Kerensky97]

nikki_: sorry, working.

20:57:38 [nikki_]

ah

20:58:14 [nikki_]

I was wondering if you had any opinions on romanisation of japanese and capitalisation of it

20:58:34 [g0llum]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

20:58:46 [g0llum]

oh, my jaw dropped on the keyboard

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20:59:54 [ruaok]

* ruaok looks at zim

21:00:13 [ruaok]

have you ever moved out a place and been carrying boxes for what seems like days?

21:00:22 [ruaok]

and you look back and the garage is still full of crap?

21:00:30 [ruaok]

crap you don't really want to deal with?

21:00:36 [ruaok]

* ruaok waves at zim

21:01:19 [tru]

damn. damn the new dismantled record is so good that I could probably listen to only it for a month.

21:02:57 [Kerensky97]

nikki_: I'm back, yeah I have opinions on it.

21:03:26 [nikki_]

oh?

21:04:46 [Kerensky97]

What specifically do you mean, I try to capitalize romanized similar to the English standard, particles are lower case.

21:05:14 [ruaok]

CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP.

21:05:43 [ruaok]

* ruaok gets working on http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/1090

21:05:52 [ruaok]

a package from the UK just arrived.

21:05:59 [ruaok]

* ruaok looks shifty

21:06:34 [Kerensky97]

White powder and wires sticking out?

21:06:40 [Kerensky97]

;)

21:06:51 [ruaok]

no. boatloads of chocolate. :-)

21:06:55 [Muz]

Quiet purring from inside the box and there appears to be punctures?

21:06:57 [Muz]

Oh :(

21:06:58 [ruaok]

* ruaok <3 nikki_

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21:08:30 [nikki_]

teeeheee.

21:08:34 [nikki_]

did it beat mo's?

21:09:16 [ruaok]

yep.

21:09:21 [nikki_]

woohoo! I win!

21:09:24 [ruaok]

and barely managed to escape the heat.

21:09:31 [ruaok]

today was the first day its been warm.

21:09:34 [nikki_]

ahh

21:10:05 [nikki_]

hmm

21:10:13 [nikki_]

so I wonder if my friend got her thingy too

21:13:51 [nikki_]

Kerensky97: ah, do you have any opinions on how things are romanised? I know some people prefer hepburn (which is tsu instead of tu, shi instead of si, chi instead of ti...)

21:14:43 [Kerensky97]

I've been doing hepburn.

21:15:47 [Kerensky97]

Mostly because when I hear it spoken it usually sounds like that more to me.

21:16:26 [nikki_]

* nikki_ nods

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21:18:52 [funky]

hi :D

21:18:57 [funky]

I didnt know this channel

21:18:58 [funky]

rocks

21:19:59 [Shepard]

hi

21:20:32 [funky]

hi Shepard

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21:21:16 [Shepard]

ruaok: I would beat it with hanuta but only for fixed bugs :P

21:23:50 [nikki_]

Kerensky97: well, the others have their uses, like it's not so easy to see where you get -chimasu from a -tsu verb

21:24:38 [nikki_]

but anyway, I was pondering whether people could decide on a capitalisation standard for romanised titles or not if I brought it up

21:25:23 [Kerensky97]

1st point- true, it can vary depending on what word.

21:25:40 [Kerensky97]

2nd point, I'm going by the seat of my pants, more discussion on it is good.

21:26:05 [Kerensky97]

I'd really like some set-in-stone rules to follow.

21:26:18 [nikki_]

personally I don't care about romanised titles, I just want things to be nice and consistent

21:26:36 [Kerensky97]

Exactly.

21:26:38 [nikki_]

* nikki_ eyes up aikawa nanase and her "Ai No Uta -Magenta Rain-" and "Ai no Uta -Majyenta Rain-"

21:29:52 [Kerensky97]

That's another thing, sometimes artist sites misspell english words in their songs and I think it's just because they don't speak english well. Murder - Death - Kill spelled Muder - Death - Kill.

21:30:47 [Kerensky97]

I want to go with the artist site but at the same time I'm pretty sure they meant Murder.

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21:31:53 [nikki_]

* nikki_ applies a liberal coating of clear nail varnish

21:32:03 [nikki_]

I *will* stop getting purple marks on all my work

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21:32:21 [LA2]

hi folks

21:33:15 [nikki_]

hi

21:34:05 [LA2]

I'm new here. I just registered (as LA2) and have started to read the FAQ. Is there a mailing list too?

21:34:22 [nikki_]

yes

21:34:30 [nikki_]

http://lists.musicbrainz.org

21:34:34 [LA2]

gr8

21:35:32 [LA2]

your system sucks, but I'm here to help you now

21:35:49 [ruaok]

whoooo hooo!

21:35:51 [ruaok]

we're saved!

21:35:57 [ruaok]

what miracles do you promise?

21:36:18 [Muz]

* Muz hopes he can turn water into chocolate

21:36:22 [Kerensky97]

coffee over ethernet?

21:36:28 [LA2]

is there really no way to document songs (composers, date written) as opposed to just tracks?

21:37:17 [LA2]

and is there a way to do batch submissions of Wikipedia links?

21:37:30 [ruaok]

nope, and nope.

21:37:35 [ruaok]

I hope you know how to code.

21:37:48 [LA2]

C, C++, Java, Perl

21:37:54 [ruaok]

great!

21:38:11 [ruaok]

http://musicbrainz.org/development/cvs.html

21:38:36 [ruaok]

go get started! send patches to patches at musicbrainz dot org

21:38:58 [Shepard]

* Shepard is reminded of army recruitement

21:39:05 [nikki_]

* nikki_ laughs

21:39:07 [Muz]

Hmmm, the Army

21:41:08 [ruaok]

* ruaok loves the old insult, but I'm here to rescue you bit.

21:41:19 [LA2]

When are you going to upgrade wiki. from MoinMoin to Mediawiki? It's not 2003 anymore.

21:41:43 [Shepard]

err

21:42:23 [LA2]

HelloEveryBodyImAnObjectOrientedJavaProgrammerWritingMyWikiInCamelCase

21:42:24 [Muz]

New, but firey!

21:42:44 [ruaok]

and stupid.

21:43:33 [Muz]

ruaok?

21:43:56 [LA2]

Your only excuse is that AMG sucks all the worse

21:44:06 [ruaok]

Muz: ya?

21:44:20 [Muz]

Your comment, in response to...?

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* Muz is confuzzled

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* nikki_ wonders who brought amg up...

21:46:58 [Shepard]

* Shepard is lost and just wonders why MBChatLogger doesn't react on AMG

21:47:15 [ruaok]

AMG is not evil. just clueless.

21:47:17 [Muz]

* Muz grmls at Freenode and the whole nickserv doohickey

21:47:23 [ruaok]

g r a c e n o t e is evil.

21:47:26 [nikki_]

* nikki_ wonders why her nail varnish dries so slowly

21:47:42 [Muz]

nikki, to give women an excuse for taking so long to get ready ;)

21:47:47 [Muz]

Women, and sad emo types

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21:47:50 [nikki_]

well, grml grml grml

21:47:57 [Shepard]

so true

21:48:07 [nikki_]

I want it to be faster and stay put!

21:48:22 [Muz]

* Muz suggests PVA glue, it dries clear and lasts long!

21:48:23 [Shepard]

you're not the typical woman :P

21:48:57 [Muz]

* Muz will be anything you want...

21:49:00 [Muz]

* Muz just coughs and leaves

21:49:46 [Shepard]

TMI

21:50:56 [nikki_]

what do normal women do while their nail varnish dries?

21:50:57 [Muz]

Too Much Internet?

21:51:06 [Muz]

Faff, and flap their hands about blowing on them

21:51:28 [nikki_]

booooring!

21:51:30 [ruaok]

TM information

21:51:38 [catmo]

lol

21:51:49 [Muz]

* Muz knows :P I'm just being an asshat

21:51:54 [Kerensky97]

compalin about how long nail take to dry?

21:51:55 [catmo]

* catmo laughs at ruaoks comment on http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/1090

21:52:07 [catmo]

* catmo yes up muz >)

21:52:13 [catmo]

eyes even

21:52:18 [Muz]

:o

21:52:31 [nikki_]

Kerensky97: ah, but then I'd be normal and I'm obviously not!

21:52:32 [catmo]

damn you beat me nikki

21:53:03 [nikki_]

how many normal girls do *you* know who love perl? :P

21:53:12 [Muz]

* Muz coughs a bit

21:53:18 [Muz]

Damn immature mind :(

21:53:23 [LA2]

OK, just wrote http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/LA2

21:53:47 [catmo]

how.. usefull

21:54:59 [Kerensky97]

Muz: Damn immature mind :( <---nasty XD

21:55:21 [Muz]

It's one of my oh so many flaws ;)

21:55:31 [Kerensky97]

:)

21:55:42 [Muz]

You've probably seen my "distasteful humour" :P

21:56:02 [Kerensky97]

I think every guy on the net digs geeky women

21:56:08 [LA2]

why is there no wiki style markup in the user profile page?

21:56:25 [Kerensky97]

Muz: Yes, it's a great source of entertainment.

21:56:25 [catmo]

Kerensky97: not all guys. some like geeky men ;)

21:56:34 [Muz]

Ah, glad someone enjoys it

21:56:37 [Kerensky97]

There are sites for that.

21:56:58 [Shepard]

LA2: because you haven't sent a patch yet

21:57:45 [catmo]

remember how I explained the differences betwene a n00b and a newbie?

21:57:58 [Shepard]

no?

21:58:12 [Muz]

Newbie is someone new, n00b is a prick who acts like a moron, and as if they're new when they should know better?

21:58:12 [catmo]

hmm......

21:58:19 [Muz]

Or at least that's been my understanding

21:58:23 [catmo]

ding muz :)

21:58:42 [ruaok]

ah, so we're dealing with a n00b here then?

21:58:49 [catmo]

ruaok: ding

21:59:09 [Muz]

Hehe, why do I find it so humourable seeing mo go "ding"

21:59:30 [catmo]

because I usually go 'wtf' or 'hæ?' ?

21:59:48 [Muz]

Stop reminding me to update mIRC ;)

21:59:58 [catmo]

bwahahaææahæhæhhhahøhø

22:00:02 [Shepard]

hö? :)

22:00:07 [catmo]

æ„›

22:00:09 [Muz]

Shep knows where it's at

22:00:23 [catmo]

he what?

22:00:32 [catmo]

うふふ

22:01:17 [Shepard]

* Shepard doesn't know what he knows

22:01:25 [Shepard]

I only know that I know nothing!

22:01:29 [catmo]

ja!

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22:09:10 [Muz]

<catmo> he what? <-- Errrm, "knows where it's at" is like "he knows the way to do it"

22:09:22 [Muz]

Concerning text encoding in this context, it didn't fark up on my client heh

22:09:23 [catmo]

yes. and do *what*?

22:09:31 [catmo]

aha

22:09:42 [catmo]

it's more that his client is fasrked too :p

22:09:45 [catmo]

farked

22:09:53 [Muz]

2 against 1 mo ;)

22:09:54 [Muz]

We win

22:10:00 [catmo]

hey!

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22:52:01 [catmo]

hmmm

22:52:13 [catmo]

the newest picard beta is tres beautiful

22:52:18 [catmo]

works like a charm

22:52:28 [Muz]

Newest beta?

22:52:30 [Muz]

there's a new one?

22:52:34 [catmo]

ja

22:52:40 [catmo]

read the blog

22:52:42 [Muz]

* Muz runs to check

22:52:54 [catmo]

should be the first here http://blog.musicbrainz.org/

22:52:56 [Shepard]

* Shepard hasn't checked it out yet

22:53:08 [Bad_Seed]

O.o

22:53:21 [Muz]

Nope

22:53:23 [Muz]

Nada there

22:53:35 [Shepard]

3rd

22:53:37 [Muz]

Unless you mean the b2?

22:53:44 [catmo]

yes

22:54:05 [Muz]

ah, already got that, I thought there was an even betterer version out

22:54:30 [Shepard]

betterer o_O

22:54:40 [Muz]

Shoosh, it's late

22:54:48 [Muz]

Late, and I've been craving bed all day

22:54:58 [catmo]

even I know betterer than that ;P

22:55:04 [Muz]

* Muz pets mo :P

22:55:11 [catmo]

prrrr

22:55:30 [Shepard]

prrrerer

22:55:42 [catmo]

oh man, I was asking for that eh

22:58:28 [ruaok]

luks: you around?

22:58:44 [luks]

yes

22:59:11 [ruaok]

I'm about to move the user home dirs from zim to scooby.

22:59:25 [ruaok]

please don't change anything in your account on zim.

22:59:30 [Shepard]

scooby?

23:00:13 [ruaok]

scooby.mb.org

23:00:16 [ruaok]

the catch-all server.

23:00:25 [ruaok]

known as bugs, svn, etc.

23:00:46 [Shepard]

I was more "scooby as in which character?"

23:00:49 [ruaok]

its our multiple personality disorder server.

23:00:56 [ruaok]

Scooby doo!

23:00:57 [Shepard]

heh

23:01:00 [catmo]

shep: dude! o.O

23:01:16 [Shepard]

isn't scoobydoo the full name for this?

23:01:22 [catmo]

nei

23:01:26 [Shepard]

ok

23:01:58 [ruaok]

http://www2.warnerbros.com/web/sd_brand/index.jsp

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23:13:16 [lilo]

[Global Notice] Hi all. Our problem child continues to spam random channels. He is in no way affiliated with #fazlamesai, http://www.fazlamesai.net/ or teknolojitelevizyonu.com (Turkish Technology Television)

23:14:12 [lilo]

[Global Notice] You may want to consider setting channel mode +R for the time being (only registered users or +v users have voice) as a temporary measure. We apologize for the inconvenience!

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23:23:49 [Shepard]

30gb of unsorted music -.-

23:23:52 [LA2]

So that you should have something to read, I just posted http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/FRBR

23:27:29 [catmo]

LA2: vennligst shit i den overlegne attituden takk

23:27:39 [ruaok]

LA2: you know how to make friends, quick don't you?

23:27:40 [ruaok]

"Unfortunately, Wikipedia and MusicBrainz were created not by the old experts whose life-long experience was summarized in the FRBR specification, but by some kids from the filesharing generation. And so we see a shortsightedly crippled data model with just albums, tracks, and artists, applied only to recorded music. That's not the final solution."

23:28:26 [ruaok]

FRBR is stupid top-down bullshit crap.

23:28:30 [catmo]

ruaok: you can't reson with him. he's swedish :)

23:28:54 [ruaok]

I've reasoned with .se people before.

23:29:09 [catmo]

sorr, it was a joke :)

23:29:22 [ruaok]

* ruaok waits for LA2 to lose interest and move on

23:29:29 [catmo]

like how you germans always tease g0llum for being swiss?

23:33:10 [Mudcrow]

* Mudcrow fails to see what books have to do with music... goes back to updating UK Subs discography MB style

23:33:56 [Muz]

Haha mo

23:39:34 [inhouseuk]

grrr battye is at it again!

23:39:47 [inhouseuk]

some 'no' votes on http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4649698 please

23:40:13 [ruaok]

* ruaok voted

23:40:21 [inhouseuk]

also http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4649500

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23:43:36 [catmo]

what aboutthese track adding mods? http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=201470

23:46:38 [inhouseuk]

dunno yet, I'm attempting to determine whether the existing album is correct

23:47:47 [inhouseuk]

some of the mods battye makes are correct. But these are quite rare and they never provide enough information

23:48:09 [catmo]

:(

23:48:18 [catmo]

how frustrating

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23:49:30 [Shepard]

mo: not teasing g0llum, just feeling sorry for him ;)

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23:50:00 [LA2]

ruaok, if you thing the present MusicBrainz is the final solution, I must feel sorry for you

23:50:27 [ruaok]

I'm sure you already feel sorry for me.

23:50:43 [ruaok]

as I am clearly a dumbass in your presence of brilliance.

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23:51:49 [Shepard]

registered today and already having to ultimate knowledge about our project. I think what muz defined as n00b fits here ;)

23:51:55 [catmo]

network problems muz?

23:52:04 [Muz]

Nope, soundcard

23:52:05 [catmo]

HEY!

23:52:07 [Shepard]

*the not to

23:52:13 [catmo]

the n00b things comes from me!

23:52:13 [LA2]

shepard, I think you are misreading me

23:52:18 [Muz]

I restarted KDE and whatnot, and then the machie

23:52:30 [Muz]

Yes mo, it comes from you

23:52:34 [Muz]

* Muz pets mo the n00b : P

23:52:35 [catmo]

erh.....

23:52:37 [Muz]

* Muz hides

23:52:38 [ruaok]

* ruaok thinks Shepard is spot on

23:52:51 [Muz]

Hehe, don't worry mo, I'm only teasing

23:52:54 [catmo]

>(

23:52:59 [catmo]

ok...

23:53:09 [Muz]

But yes, the principle behind what shep said holds true, irregardless of whom said the idea first

23:53:19 [catmo]

exactly

23:53:20 [catmo]

:)

23:53:24 [Muz]

* Muz nods

23:53:59 [LA2]

I think there is a big difference between pointing out a final destination or "ultimate knowledge" and pointing out a direction

23:54:24 [Muz]

Like there is a difference between newbie and n00b ;)

23:54:27 [Shepard]

a direction is pointed out on several wiki pages, go on reading

23:54:43 [LA2]

sure, I'm reading all the time

23:54:54 [catmo]

tsk tsk muz, newbie != n00b

23:54:59 [Muz]

I know!

23:55:05 [Muz]

Hence why I said there is a difference :P

23:55:28 [catmo]

:o I'm sorry I read your sentence all wrong! I saw that as sarcasm :/

23:55:39 [Muz]

Hehe, understandable

23:55:44 [Muz]

Unlike someone else in here though

23:55:52 [catmo]

hahaha true

23:56:06 [Shepard]

:o

23:56:33 [Shepard]

does someone want to sort my music?

23:56:44 [Muz]

If I get paid, yes

23:56:48 [LA2]

is this a bug in my irc client, or do some ppl here have invisible nicks?

23:57:03 [catmo]

n00b

23:57:05 [catmo]

:p

23:57:06 [Mudcrow]

yes shepard, points to nearest bin :p

23:57:28 [Muz]

LA2, why not write a patch for it? You're so brilliant afterall

23:57:53 [LA2]

i might just as well quit irc, this is leading nowhere

23:58:00 [ruaok]

* ruaok cheers

23:58:09 [catmo]

* catmo joins in

23:58:12 [Muz]

* Muz grins

23:58:21 [LA2]

här blir inga barn gjorda

23:58:30 [catmo]

nej ock bra er det

23:58:30 [ruaok]

duch auch!

23:59:00 [catmo]

hæ ruaok?

23:59:37 [Shepard]

ihr seid doch alle bekloppt :)

23:59:45 [tru]

LA2: minsann minsann.

23:59:49 [ruaok]

Shepard: stimmt!