IRC log of musicbrainz on 2006-06-28

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00:01:25 [ruaok]
ok, bye!
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01:09:04 [mustaqila]
Natta!
01:09:16 [Nyght]
night muz
01:09:37 [mustaqila]
Hey/bye beth, you always seem to come and go when I do but vice versa :P
01:09:42 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila thinks someone's avoiding him
01:09:56 [Nyght]
ah. it's being in different time zones I'm sure.
01:10:05 [mustaqila]
I'm yanking your chain :P
01:10:12 [Nyght]
and you working. ;P
01:10:25 [Nyght]
* Nyght giggles
01:10:25 [mustaqila]
:)
01:10:27 [Nyght]
that tickles :)
01:10:31 [mustaqila]
Hah
01:10:50 [mustaqila]
Must sleep, I want to be in to the office on time/early for the first time in a while :)
01:11:25 [Nyght]
no doubt!
01:12:19 [Freso]
Hm. Am I still too green to join in on -experts? >_>
01:13:08 [Nyght]
No, probably not, I felt that way for a long time too
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01:56:30 [Freso]
G'night lads.
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02:40:29 [Nyght]
hi panda
02:40:34 [dmp_panda]
hello late night people ;)
02:40:36 [dmp_panda]
hi Nyght
02:42:15 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: thanks for the mail. That sets things up and give energy to keep it up :)
02:43:59 [Nyght]
You're welcome. :) glad I could help!
02:50:34 [Nyght]
I had about 25 remove disc id's move out faster than I could blink earlier..
02:50:46 [Nyght]
guess when you hit a group with 20 or more subscribers things just fly. ;)
02:58:22 [dmp_panda]
!seen yllona
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02:59:14 [dmp_panda]
!choose vote or moderate
02:59:14 [BrainzBot]
vote.
02:59:34 [dmp_panda]
nice bot
02:59:54 [Nyght]
* Nyght snickers
03:17:23 [deadchip]
how is <sort-name> different from <name/> ?
03:17:27 [deadchip]
ERR
03:17:28 [deadchip]
err
03:17:30 [deadchip]
and caps
03:17:39 [deadchip]
well yeah, what is the difference, or at least what can be different?
03:18:09 [deadchip]
* deadchip ignores sort-name for now
03:19:26 [Nyght]
name is the artist's name, usually appears on website's releases etc. Sortname is often times lastname, first (for people groups) and groups it changes mainly if there is a "the" as in red river, the
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03:22:43 [dmp_panda]
deadchip: this has the full detail about it if you wish http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SortName and http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SortNameStyle
03:26:05 [deadchip]
dmp_panda: thanks
03:26:33 [dmp_panda]
you welcome
03:27:00 [deadchip]
ok i didn't know this exists somewhere else as well
03:27:05 [deadchip]
i thought it's specific to the XMLWS responses
03:27:06 [deadchip]
sorry :|
03:27:18 [deadchip]
(and it wasn't mentioned on the XMLWS wiki page..)
03:32:05 [deadchip]
Collaborating Artists: "Bob Dylan and The Band" have sort name "Dylan, Bob and Band, The"
03:32:05 [Nyght]
Thanks panda, I wasn't yet utilizing the web since I was in dinner
03:32:06 [deadchip]
lol
03:32:41 [deadchip]
* deadchip thinks up an artist name who's sort name has an entirely different meaning
03:32:45 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: ;)
03:33:32 [dmp_panda]
deadchip: sort name AFAIK are things to help only computers in sorting things right. In extreme cases, they are very "far" from the name
03:33:39 [dmp_panda]
about Dylan and the band...
03:33:43 [deadchip]
dmp_panda: yeah i'm reading the page
03:33:58 [deadchip]
well i have a set of C++ classes for your XML webservices
03:34:02 [deadchip]
used in BMP
03:34:20 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda is really interested :p BMP or BMPx ?
03:34:40 [deadchip]
http://websvn.beep-media-player.org/filedetails.php?repname=bmpx&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fsrc%2Fmusicbrainz_xml.cpp&rev=0&sc=0
03:34:45 [deadchip]
dmp_panda: yeah well
03:34:46 [deadchip]
BMPx
03:34:58 [deadchip]
but we refer less and less to it as BMPx as it's more and more nearing the real "BMP 2" release
03:35:36 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda rejoices and run apt-get update to get the new development version :)
03:35:48 [deadchip]
there are ubuntu packages now
03:35:54 [dmp_panda]
am on sid
03:35:57 [deadchip]
hmmm
03:36:01 [deadchip]
well i think the debian ones are old
03:36:14 [deadchip]
http://thehoneymustardbandits.org/nexu/linux/beepmediaplayer/
03:36:20 [deadchip]
these are for dapper 6.06 ^
03:36:29 [deadchip]
maybe they'll somehow work on Debian dunno :\
03:36:34 [dmp_panda]
I'll compile it anyway (I think I remember precomped packages misses some options right?)
03:36:46 [deadchip]
yeah some leave some things out
03:37:00 [deadchip]
well i added a lot in recent svn
03:37:36 [deadchip]
what's kind of nice is that you can merge albums and outfit them with canonical data
03:37:43 [deadchip]
i.e. you have an album "Something foo" and "Something Foo"
03:37:53 [deadchip]
it's logically the same album (you know that), but the computer doesn't
03:37:59 [deadchip]
so you select both, click om Merge/Modify
03:38:07 [deadchip]
it queries Musicbrainz XMLWS
03:38:23 [dmp_panda]
nice :)
03:38:23 [deadchip]
you can select the right release, and it groups the 2 albums in the database and re-tags the files appropriately
03:38:39 [deadchip]
optionally you can also make it move them to another folder them
03:38:40 [deadchip]
then*
03:38:41 [deadchip]
LOL
03:38:47 [deadchip]
i added that to clean up my Downloads folder ;)
03:38:49 [deadchip]
hahaha
03:39:11 [dmp_panda]
any ETA for BMP2.0 release?
03:39:49 [deadchip]
umm for 2.0, that's going to take very long
03:39:56 [deadchip]
we have to write the SVG skinning engine first
03:40:03 [deadchip]
but we're going to release 0.20 in the next 1-2 weeks
03:40:10 [deadchip]
which includes all the database improvements and the musicbrainz stuff
03:40:19 [dmp_panda]
cool
03:44:28 [dmp_panda]
deadchip: does 0.20pre5-1 has your MB work or is it only in svn?
03:56:01 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda now segfaults bmpx :p
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04:27:03 [yllona]
hey folks
04:33:56 [yllona]
laterz
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04:34:55 [dmp_panda]
hey yllona :)
04:35:05 [dmp_panda]
rats! I missed her
04:35:50 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda blames Sonny Rollins and lazy users...
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04:58:49 [teleGUISE]
Hellooooo peeps
04:59:19 [dmp_panda]
hello tele ;)
04:59:22 [dmp_panda]
how do ya?
04:59:51 [teleGUISE]
i ya do ok ;)
05:01:05 [teleGUISE]
so did you push that modified release event stuff to keschte yet?
05:01:53 [dmp_panda]
didn't had the time yet. I'm checking out the TEST code now to make it work. I'll mail him this evening
05:02:06 [dmp_panda]
meant: code from test
05:02:32 [dmp_panda]
I suspect it require 0 work to make it work on test, but still, I prefer to verify :)
05:03:07 [dmp_panda]
do you think they will accept it this late in the release cycle?
05:05:51 [teleGUISE]
i'm not sure but the sooner we can get it on test... the sooner it can get on main
05:06:26 [teleGUISE]
of course it does need to work ;) but I don't think there were any problems, it's all just verbage adjustment
05:06:39 [dmp_panda]
yep
05:07:24 [teleGUISE]
can we get a yes vote for dcflyer to remove his oops over here on a album he just entered that was wrong - http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5090743
05:07:49 [dmp_panda]
goin on it
05:08:48 [teleGUISE]
so was the panda just talking to himself this evening? or were there other lurkers chattin
05:08:48 [dmp_panda]
ok
05:10:12 [teleGUISE]
im going to shoot Excite... I think they didnt pay there span bills or something.. it seems like they have all their mail traffic running off one little T1 cuz it's choked to the hilt
05:10:16 [dmp_panda]
heu... :p I arrived two hours ago or so :) Nyght was there
05:10:28 [dmp_panda]
do you want a gmail account?
05:12:14 [teleGUISE]
i was thinking about it... keschte had asked, i guess it's still the "IN" web based mail.. never did ages ago cuz i figured it wasnt anything great.. but it seems people like it a lot
05:13:03 [dmp_panda]
mm... the search features and labelling stuff + custom filters are really cool for a web based thingy
05:13:07 [dmp_panda]
plus the space
05:13:09 [teleGUISE]
they don't let you pop for free either though, right? not that it matters cuz i don't think anyone does anymore
05:13:17 [dmp_panda]
you can pop
05:13:22 [dmp_panda]
I do
05:14:01 [teleGUISE]
whats the per mail attach limit size send/receive
05:14:32 [dmp_panda]
no idea. But I remember sending/recieving reasonnably big stuff
05:15:52 [teleGUISE]
ah.. was just curious i'm sure it's at least as big as the others if not bigger being you have more storage than all the rest..
05:17:13 [dmp_panda]
I guess so. Storage is really the strong point IMO. I'm only at 10% and I guess I've stuffed it quite a lot.
05:17:47 [dmp_panda]
you can even use it as a filesystem via fuse (or something like that) on linux :D
05:18:00 [teleGUISE]
so it's like a drive?
05:18:23 [dmp_panda]
yes
05:18:38 [dmp_panda]
that's stupid but it works :D
05:18:45 [teleGUISE]
yahoo had/has something like that for bloze... it was really a bitch though on dial up :)
05:18:46 [dmp_panda]
although... not *that* stupid
05:19:06 [dmp_panda]
yeah I can imagine. dialup... aaaah, the good ol' days
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05:19:47 [teleGUISE]
eeekss... hide its the fly
05:20:02 [dcflyer]
:P
05:20:10 [dmp_panda]
'lo the fly :)
05:20:37 [teleGUISE]
unfortunately everyone is lurking or sleeping so the only takers on your edit so far are the panda and I
05:20:51 [dcflyer]
thanks
05:21:34 [teleGUISE]
i think this is the first time i ever saw you on the mb channel
05:21:47 [dcflyer]
do you have a guess why Amazon would create a new ASIN as they did?
05:22:02 [dcflyer]
yep..irc virgin
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05:22:21 [teleGUISE]
unfortunately you picked a boring evening...
05:22:28 [g0llum]
* g0llum waves
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05:22:40 [dmp_panda]
hey keschte ;)
05:23:18 [teleGUISE]
do we have a guess to why amazon does anything that it does ;) ... they list things that are local [import] and things that are [import] local
05:23:42 [teleGUISE]
hey keschte... do you just ignore my mail or does excite not like you ;) ?
05:23:55 [keschte]
i was bored :)
05:24:55 [keschte]
the current tally is 9:1
05:25:01 [keschte]
so, others agree
05:25:17 [teleGUISE]
dcflyer: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000FMGTUI :() see .co.uk has the correct listing but shows it as an import
05:25:54 [teleGUISE]
keschte: well it pissed me off cuz stupid excite didnt get me the mail till after the others 1st and 2nd'd it..
05:26:36 [keschte]
they seconded in record time. not more the 3 minutes after i hit the button
05:26:44 [teleGUISE]
i had no mail then like 12 from Mbrainz all spanned across like a 30 minute time frame from Mbrainz
05:26:56 [dcflyer]
@teleGUISE you are correct about import/local/import
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05:27:21 [dmp_panda]
dcflyer: do you know electro/remix stuff well?
05:27:26 [teleGUISE]
i wanted to see who the lamers were that said abstain and the deadbeats were that said No :P
05:27:38 [dcflyer]
pretty well
05:27:53 [dmp_panda]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5063901 ?
05:28:15 [dmp_panda]
really not my stuff, and wanted another opinion about it
05:28:47 [teleGUISE]
keschte: well i hope drsaunde is ready.. i gave him some last minute arsewhippin this evening
05:29:57 [keschte]
every automods makes a mistake once in a while
05:30:13 [teleGUISE]
keschte: can we get a yes here for dc to close this out in 30 - http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5090743
05:30:49 [teleGUISE]
they do... oh you mean like that oops i just told you to vote on that dc did ;)
05:32:16 [dmp_panda]
hee... keschte... about our release js thingie :p - what's the proper way to do this when I'm ready? Fill a ticket and push the patch? Mail you the baby? root Dexter myself? :D
05:32:35 [teleGUISE]
dcflyer: heee.. http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B000FMGTUI and the .de domain doesn't show it as an import. I told ya they are really lost at amazon.. They need to hire us and pay us peace work
05:33:04 [keschte]
ticket+patch would be the best
05:33:09 [dmp_panda]
kay
05:33:26 [keschte]
or ask ruaok for svn privs :)
05:33:51 [dmp_panda]
why would he give me a svn write access? :p
05:34:23 [dcflyer]
teleGUISE: you are correct again! they are lost at amazon...they need to license MB
05:34:39 [dmp_panda]
do they read irc logs? :)
05:35:17 [teleGUISE]
well there you go.. im sure ru would pay you a nice commission if you landed that deal!
05:35:57 [deadchip]
lol @ amazon hire
05:36:57 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda out for a moment, see ya people! --- keschte - I'll fill the ticket and patch this afternoon
05:36:59 [teleGUISE]
dcflyer: you have a gmail account too, huh ?
05:37:14 [teleGUISE]
dmp_panda: fine panda be like that ;)
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* nikki_ shivers
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05:38:00 [dcflyer]
yes to gmail
05:38:27 [teleGUISE]
nikki_ you just stick your head in the freezer or something?
05:38:38 [dcflyer]
lol
05:38:53 [nikki_]
no
05:39:16 [keschte]
off to work. cu
05:39:17 [nikki_]
it's half six in the morning and I just relucantly threw myself out of my nice warm bed
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05:39:51 [teleGUISE]
it's cold there?
05:40:28 [nikki_]
it's raining
05:40:38 [nikki_]
not particularly warm compared to my bed
05:41:38 [teleGUISE]
* teleGUISE throws nikki a blanket to carry around
05:43:04 [nikki_]
noo
05:43:10 [nikki_]
I'll fall asleep
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05:45:26 [teleGUISE]
dcflyer: so is there a ASIN report amazon publishes that you watch for new one's or just scan the PSB listings daily ;)?
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05:47:30 [dcflyer]
no, just signed up for PSB "new" release e-mail alerts
05:49:57 [teleGUISE]
oh.. amz has that.. i gather there's lots of stuff there I never bothered to look at.. signed up many moons ago just to d/l a track that was free
06:08:52 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda back
06:09:43 [dmp_panda]
any opinions about how to write this release title (commas? spaces? dashes?)? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000046TN/104-6357001-2894348?s=music&v=glance&n=5174
06:13:31 [inhouseuk]
I'd write it as on the cover and wait for ideas
06:15:17 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk goes to meet his wife from work, back later
06:15:23 [dmp_panda]
the album has been entered already using slashes (which doesn't really please me), and awaits to pass
06:15:30 [dmp_panda]
see ya inhouseuk :)
06:17:01 [dmp_panda]
for those who have ideas and want to comment: http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5052175
06:21:15 [dmp_panda]
teleGUISE, you missed that one ;) http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5089926
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going to oxford now
06:58:04 [dmp_panda]
good day nikki_
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mornings
07:59:16 [dmp_panda]
hello mudcrow
08:06:43 [mudcrow]
hi panda
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08:08:52 [catgroove]
brrrrr
08:08:54 [catgroove]
bah
08:09:06 [catgroove]
* catgroove wants to kill his hair
08:09:11 [catgroove]
ugh
08:09:17 [catgroove]
altough waking up to this is fun
08:09:19 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♪ Alice Cooper - Feed My Frankenstein (last.fm) (0:0-1) ♪
08:09:24 [MartinRudat]
* MartinRudat hands mo a bottle of nair. =)
08:09:40 [catgroove]
:o
08:09:43 [catgroove]
nei!
08:10:14 [dmp_panda]
hello le chat ;) Salut Martin
08:10:21 [catgroove]
japanda
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* mustaqila picks up the kitty and tickles
08:18:13 [catgroove]
prrrr!
08:18:39 [catgroove]
now well, gotta get ready
08:19:25 [mustaqila]
grml grml hair
08:19:38 [mustaqila]
I need a hair dryer :\
08:20:40 [catgroove]
* catgroove agrees
08:20:49 [catgroove]
and its bad weather for hair
08:20:56 [mustaqila]
Nice weather here
08:21:00 [mustaqila]
Isn't all windy
08:21:01 [catgroove]
* catgroove attempts to braid his own hair
08:21:17 [catgroove]
not winduy, lots of rain and still hot and wind and blah
08:21:40 [mustaqila]
not a cloud in the sky, no wind, and all sun :)
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08:25:22 [catgroove]
well. i have to go out
08:25:25 [catgroove]
see yas later
08:25:32 [catgroove]
hi shwep
08:25:35 [catgroove]
-w
08:36:48 [dmp_panda]
what should be done when somebody enters an album with a data track: (a) vote no and ask he re-enters it properly (b) vote yes and go with a track removal ?
08:38:31 [MartinRudat]
...I presume you mean a data track at the end of the track-list?
08:39:12 [dmp_panda]
yes
08:39:18 [HairMetalAddict]
(b), esp. if it's a freedb import since they can't be deleted during the import
08:39:36 [MartinRudat]
hmm... I'd vote yes, and remove the track, I think.
08:40:47 [dmp_panda]
it's a freedb import. Ok. Thanks gentlemen :)
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* catgroove ♪ Alice Cooper - No More Mr. Nice Guy (last.fm) (0:0-1) ♪
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08:55:16 [Aankhen``]
np: Chris Michaels ~ The Fiery Furnaces [MP3]
08:55:38 [Aankhen``]
And now that that's finished...
08:55:38 [Aankhen``]
np: Paw Paw Tree ~ The Fiery Furnaces [MP3]
08:55:40 [Aankhen``]
:-)
08:57:34 [mudcrow]
me playing nothing by nobody
08:57:40 [Aankhen``]
Tragic. :-(
08:57:55 [Muz]
* Muz mooses about
08:58:13 [Aankhen``]
* Aankhen`` stalks mudcrow.
08:58:15 [mudcrow]
actually thats a lie as I have the stereo playing instead of music on the comp
08:58:17 [Aankhen``]
* Aankhen`` stalks Muz too.
08:58:39 [Muz]
:o
09:00:58 [mudcrow]
np Бляха-муха (панк-рок)Объект Насмешек - Монолог из подворотни: Soviet Punk Rock Anthology 1980-1991:)
09:01:22 [Aankhen``]
Soviet Punk Rock? o_O
09:02:36 [mudcrow]
some good bands on that comp, and some very strange ones too
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09:08:13 [Nyght]
* Nyght peaks out with a yawn
09:09:53 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda curses amz.fr the worst amz store of them all *sigh*
09:10:06 [Nyght]
* Nyght pets the panda
09:10:39 [Nyght]
we keep hoping teleguise will go to work for them and get them all striaghtened out, but he hasn't done so yet.. maybe you should. ;)
09:10:50 [Nyght]
straightened geh
09:10:51 [dmp_panda]
certainly not
09:11:03 [Nyght]
oh, too upper crust for ya?
09:11:22 [dmp_panda]
I got a friend who was there and they are known to have detestable job pratices :)
09:11:53 [dmp_panda]
but yeah, as suggested numerous times, they should pay us to fix their mess :)
09:12:42 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: what's "crust"? (and specially upper crust :p)
09:12:52 [Nyght]
uh oh, what type of horrid practices?
09:13:13 [dmp_panda]
salaries. contracts. plus the "ambiance".
09:13:17 [Nyght]
Well, the lower you get on the bread the darker the crust I imagine.. never thought about it, but...
09:13:21 [Nyght]
ick
09:14:04 [dmp_panda]
yet I wasn't there myself, so take it as a second hand opinion ;)
09:14:36 [dmp_panda]
and of course this is specific to .fr
09:16:15 [Nyght]
Of course, though I imagine they do have a lot of employees
09:18:24 [Muz]
Hey Beth
09:18:42 [Nyght]
hey muz
09:20:07 [Muz]
Not avoiding me today? :P
09:21:30 [Nyght]
I guess not, seeing as I just woke up. :D
09:22:01 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: you would be surprised... in 2004 .fr had the grand total of 70 salaries, and they sent 50 of them to UK...
09:22:32 [Muz]
Hehe Beth
09:22:53 [Nyght]
That's not half as many as I figured, no wonder their data is so screwed up.
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09:24:27 [Nyght]
muz, is last fm that understaffed?
09:24:38 [Muz]
Huh?
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09:24:59 [Nyght]
about how many employees are employed there?
09:25:12 [Muz]
There's 25~
09:25:26 [Muz]
It gets the work done though, so I shan't complain nor say much about it :)
09:25:40 [Nyght]
and not half as dependant on employee interaction as amazon I imagine.
09:26:03 [Muz]
Beth, really, this is all going over my head, I hardly slept last night :P
09:26:39 [Nyght]
no, I wasn't stating that, I mean, bytes online only had like four employees, but it was very user based. Amazon isn't half as user based for the actual content.
09:26:47 [Nyght]
* Nyght pinches muz
09:26:54 [Nyght]
well wake up and drink some coffee. ;)
09:27:10 [Nyght]
or else I might as well be avoiding you!
09:27:16 [Muz]
Coffee shan't save me from this sleepless pit of despair
09:27:39 [Muz]
Ahhhh, I get you!
09:27:45 [Muz]
HAd to read it several times over
09:28:26 [Nyght]
* Nyght snickers
09:28:40 [Nyght]
you are not allowed to delve into computers "tonight" mister, do you understand me?
09:28:48 [mudcrow]
muzzy feeling old? can't handle the allnight sessions anymore?
09:28:58 [Nyght]
sleep, it's my prescription and I'm sticking to it
09:29:13 [Muz]
Nah, last night couldn't sleep much, and the night before I got 20 minutes sleep before coming into the office
09:29:46 [Nyght]
No, he's got coding flying in his brain mudcrow, he needs to have all computers locked away from his fingers for a night. ;)
09:33:07 [Muz]
I'm not a coder thankfully
09:34:33 [Nyght]
well, you've been looking into your os and stuff. I don't knwo what about.
09:35:15 [Muz]
:)
09:46:23 [teleGUISE]
ugh...
09:47:48 [Muz]
...hgu
09:48:34 [teleGUISE]
g..u.h
09:48:43 [mudcrow]
...hug...
09:48:59 [teleGUISE]
awww... that's what i needed :P
09:49:32 [teleGUISE]
dont worry mud im not saying it was from you
09:49:44 [mudcrow]
:)
09:51:22 [teleGUISE]
i give up on this one ;) ... http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=199117
09:52:36 [teleGUISE]
damn labels and producers and people cant make up their minds..
09:52:55 [Shepard]
morning
09:52:59 [teleGUISE]
Anyone care to share any ideas on that one?
09:53:04 [teleGUISE]
morn shep
09:53:33 [teleGUISE]
i'd hade to dupe the album just because it was released under a different title
09:53:59 [teleGUISE]
well actually not a different title of the album but of the combo or whatever they are calling it
09:55:47 [teleGUISE]
ok good.. that settles it.. no ideas, no thoughts, no comments means no changes to be made ;)
09:55:56 [mudcrow]
looks good to me
09:56:58 [mudcrow]
it cant be a "proper" hip hop album, it doesnt have 20 feat. artists per track :p
09:57:09 [teleGUISE]
no doubt
09:57:34 [teleGUISE]
i guess i will link it to the amazon.com store even though the track list is wrong!! bastards
09:58:05 [teleGUISE]
i cant seem to find each individual LP being sold only the combo CD set
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09:59:06 [teleGUISE]
i mean not only cant amazon get ASIN's uniform across the domains they can't get album or track titles the same...
09:59:40 [dmp_panda]
:)
10:00:26 [teleGUISE]
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000D9Y5N .. http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000D9Y5N .. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000D9Y5N I mean come on 3 different Album titles with all the same ASIN!
10:01:01 [mudcrow]
i was just looking at that
10:01:58 [mudcrow]
typical amazon naming, I'm sure the rename these albums just to make it even harder to find
10:02:51 [teleGUISE]
i figured .com because Pete Rock is american as is the label Rapster .. but maybe i should use .co.uk
10:04:31 [teleGUISE]
and all of this because I was fixing a borked artist name
10:06:46 [mudcrow]
are rapster a US label? discogs list them as German http://www.discogs.com/label/Rapster+Records
10:07:35 [teleGUISE]
i just ar'd the .com and annotated the .co.uk .. not spending more time on the silly thing
10:07:37 [teleGUISE]
err....
10:07:52 [teleGUISE]
damn wikipedia had me thinking they were US
10:08:13 [teleGUISE]
oh well pete rock is US
10:08:26 [mudcrow]
sublabel of K7, which is German/US based, so they be the same
10:08:46 [mudcrow]
*may
10:09:31 [teleGUISE]
Signed to Pete Rock's Elektra imprint "Soul Brother Records" in 1994 but only managed to release the "Fakin' Jax" 12" before Elektra and Pete parted ways.The album they recorded (Center of Attention) eventually saw an official release in 2003 thanks to bbe/Rapster.
10:10:07 [teleGUISE]
yet - http://www.discogs.com/release/501902 shows it released in us
10:11:03 [Nyght]
hi teleguise
10:11:16 [teleGUISE]
amazon must hire discoger's cuz they are making about as much sense
10:11:17 [mudcrow]
but thats on Soul Brothers and dated 2000, which contridicts the previous statement
10:11:42 [teleGUISE]
mudcrow: exactly :) that's what i mean.. they say 1 thing, then contradict it in another
10:11:56 [teleGUISE]
hola nyght
10:12:33 [teleGUISE]
then read this one mud - http://www.discogs.com/release/298776
10:12:47 [teleGUISE]
Originally recorded for Soul Brother Records in the mid nineties but not released
10:12:48 [Nyght]
Teleguise, looks like you stumbled on something like I did with jhelisa
10:13:41 [teleGUISE]
well was it or was it not released
10:13:48 [Nyght]
though at least all of her stuff has the same titles
10:14:07 [Nyght]
I haven't looked that far down the conversation yet. ;)
10:14:10 [teleGUISE]
they dont know... nobody knows ;)... but i knows
10:14:50 [mudcrow]
strange that the 2000 release was not queried by a mod when it was submitted
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10:17:09 [teleGUISE]
discogs doesn't have a secret place to show when releases were added do they? they just list them by user but no dates
10:18:01 [mudcrow]
page history will show you the original submission and all mod notes for it
10:18:16 [mudcrow]
http://www.discogs.com/changereq?id=942131
10:18:43 [mudcrow]
submitted 23-Aug-05
10:19:01 [teleGUISE]
ah thanks mud! its when you submit a change request
10:25:16 [teleGUISE]
i cannot believe excite still has not fixed their traffic problems
10:30:23 [Nyght]
tele, do I have to shove a gmail or aim account down your throat? both are decent with attachments, both you can pop from, neither are horrid with advertisements... both have 2 gigs.. hmm.... me thinkest you are being silly. :D
10:31:42 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk thinks http://musicbrainz.org/album/3c8dec07-1e41-4ebb-ac68-4fabaad6e39a.html how has proper spanish caps
10:31:53 [inhouseuk]
it's possible track 6 should be ¡Dame! ¡Dame! ¡Dame!
10:32:18 [Nyght]
* Nyght has no clue
10:32:50 [inhouseuk]
it's really wierd listening to music you know very well sung in a different language :)
10:33:51 [Nyght]
LOL I bet it is
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10:40:32 [Nyght]
how likely is it when you're running 24 bit encryption on a wireless network, for someone to port in?
10:40:53 [inhouseuk]
64 bit?
10:41:11 [teleGUISE]
easier than 64 bit :)
10:41:12 [Nyght]
sorry, 128 bit
10:41:21 [Nyght]
hush tele. :D
10:41:41 [inhouseuk]
any wireless network is possible to break into given time
10:42:01 [Nyght]
a year is time... guess it's time to change the hex.
10:42:02 [Nyght]
:(
10:42:31 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: you mean wep?
10:42:37 [teleGUISE]
encryption is a waste imho it just slows things down... turn down your power if your that worried
10:42:41 [Nyght]
Yeah panda
10:43:03 [teleGUISE]
most of the time you don't need 100% to cover the areas you think
10:43:13 [Nyght]
Um, tele it's in the basement.. :( I'm upstairs, I don't know how much I can turn down the power.
10:43:18 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: 10 minutes to break in if there's enough traffic. Though it requires some motivation and is not yet completely script kiddy
10:43:37 [teleGUISE]
i love hacking all my neighbors cuz they leave their crap up to 100%... so easy for me to play hop scotch
10:43:45 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk doesn't notice any slow down with encryption, it depends on the hardware
10:44:00 [Nyght]
I just have an OLD47096 on my client list.. and the rest I know.
10:44:34 [Nyght]
I imagine it could be the uplink?
10:44:36 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda confirms inhouseuk: there's no serious slowdown with wpa
10:44:56 [Nyght]
Yah know tele, if it was a neighbor I wouldn't mind at all.. my neighbors are great. :D I'd offer them free wireless cable.
10:45:14 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: if somebody would "break in", I think they wouldn't DHCP to lower the tracks, so you wouldn't see them
10:45:24 [teleGUISE]
it still requires processing power when tested on max throughput it does not match open
10:45:39 [inhouseuk]
to be honest the 'kiddies' are more likely to use the open access points than one with any form of encryption/authentication enabled
10:45:52 [teleGUISE]
you might not see it surfing but we tested it wep wpa and open.. open wins
10:46:07 [dmp_panda]
teleGUISE: I use cables mostly :D
10:46:26 [Nyght]
inhouseuk, that's how I was... I'd pick up a wireless and surf on it (while I was travelling) and then just skip any encrypted, too much difficulty.
10:46:36 [teleGUISE]
ah screw cables .. im tired of running them ;)
10:46:51 [Nyght]
Though I do know I made my network visible when trying to get networked with a mac.. I should probably turn that off too.
10:46:53 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda curious about the figures of the slowdown. teleGUISE: is it around 20% slowdown or more?
10:47:07 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: turning off broadcasting doesn't hide you
10:47:13 [teleGUISE]
you -can't make your net invisible
10:47:17 [teleGUISE]
like panda said
10:47:20 [Nyght]
I was going to wire my house, but, most of the walls are cement (at least the foundation walls.
10:47:25 [teleGUISE]
thats a false tale
10:47:36 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk can see 3 completely open access points from where he is sitting
10:47:46 [Nyght]
Yeah, true, but you can make it more difficult to find.
10:47:52 [teleGUISE]
not at all
10:47:56 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: no
10:48:08 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: not from a person who wants to break in
10:48:14 [teleGUISE]
exactly
10:48:24 [inhouseuk]
and limiting to known mac addresses doesn't help either, mac addresses can be changed and they are always in the clear
10:48:29 [dmp_panda]
same for mac filtering.
10:48:32 [teleGUISE]
your net still has to broadcast.. otherwise it couldn't sync
10:48:38 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda types too slow for inhouseuk :)
10:48:55 [MartinRudat]
ipsec?
10:49:02 [Nyght]
True, okay... I give that.
10:49:04 [teleGUISE]
well limiting to mac addresses does help the casual passer by...
10:49:35 [inhouseuk]
even if SSID broadcast is off. The SSID can be seen when a client joins
10:49:35 [teleGUISE]
that's what i mainly use... if they want to hack it they will hack it.. but limiting mac's allows you to run it open and not worry about somebody just jumping on
10:50:21 [dmp_panda]
I see... I always thought mac filtering was completely useless :)
10:50:43 [teleGUISE]
about as useless as encrypting then ;)
10:50:51 [dmp_panda]
mmm...
10:51:00 [teleGUISE]
it just takes them longer
10:51:00 [dmp_panda]
well it's easy to spoof a mac address
10:51:12 [dmp_panda]
not easy to break wpa ;)
10:51:19 [Nyght]
Well, for the moment I am going to assume it's my uplink...
10:51:31 [teleGUISE]
yea but if your watching packets in the first place what do you think your going to do with them?
10:51:39 [Nyght]
as long as they don't start messing with my files, if it's someone else I don't truly care.
10:52:01 [dmp_panda]
teleGUISE: I didn't understood
10:52:13 [teleGUISE]
you shouldn't allow your wifi connection to have access to local files
10:52:18 [dmp_panda]
ah
10:52:38 [dmp_panda]
yeah, after that of course, network policy and so, ok ;)
10:52:40 [teleGUISE]
Nyght: file and printer sharing should be off on your wifi
10:53:19 [teleGUISE]
dmp_panda: i meant if your watching packets in the first place, your probably going to hack something right? I mean people dont just watch wifi packets for fun ;)
10:53:21 [inhouseuk]
Nyght: your access point should be able to show the number of associated clients
10:53:46 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda now watch fleeing packets to try to find some fun in it
10:53:57 [teleGUISE]
not if she is using the default XP pissy thing.. it will not show dupe SSID broadcasts
10:55:06 [Nyght]
It does inhouseuk, but it's never shown the uplink hub well at all, I had to have both to give the cabled computers access.
10:55:18 [teleGUISE]
but it will show the total otherwise like inhouse said.. its just so stupid it doesn't list dupe SSID's so if 10 people have "Linksys" as SSID , XP shows 1 available
10:55:28 [Nyght]
tele, I try never to use default anything. :D
10:56:07 [inhouseuk]
tele: I was thinking more of the web interface on the access point, most will show the number of associated clients and generally the mac addresses as well
10:56:52 [inhouseuk]
if it's more than you expect, someone else is using it
10:56:59 [teleGUISE]
oh... gotta ya.. true .. I thought you just meant the silly XP default OS one
10:57:24 [teleGUISE]
thats of course the best way to see if anyone is actually connected
10:58:02 [inhouseuk]
but doen't show if someone is just snooping traffic
10:59:01 [teleGUISE]
true... let 'em snoop... i say.. change your SSID to SNOOPY ;)
10:59:22 [teleGUISE]
rusnoopy
11:00:03 [Nyght]
My ssid is pentium, back from when we used to have both the 386 and 486, and it only was pentiums allowed on the network. :D
11:00:30 [teleGUISE]
nyght how many other clients need to work off the wifi in your house?
11:00:51 [Nyght]
But it's still listing the laptop, which has been off for two days, it's the correct name, and then I have used the PSP to access as well, so.. it's why I'm not positive, it could be the PSP.
11:01:01 [inhouseuk]
one of my neighbours was running an open access point with default passwords and I changed her SSID to SEESTEVEDOWNSTAIRS
11:01:20 [MartinRudat]
heh. =)
11:01:34 [Nyght]
The firewall server, the husband's computer, the kids, my own, laptop, and sometimes PSP's and the uplink of cours.
11:01:35 [teleGUISE]
heee... thats like the one i sent "netmsg" commands to that never patched or turned it off in XP
11:01:47 [Nyght]
LOL Inhouse!
11:02:35 [teleGUISE]
nyght: ewww.. you have too much crap
11:02:49 [Nyght]
Oh wait, wifi only, laptop, mine and the psp's/
11:02:56 [teleGUISE]
somebody needs to get fishing or crawling
11:03:04 [Nyght]
I don wanna!
11:03:08 [inhouseuk]
I wouldn't have done it if I didn't know her well. I've fixed a few of her computer problems in the past and she'd just installed wi-fi
11:03:37 [MartinRudat]
* MartinRudat ponders the two runs of cat5 he's got thumb-tacked to the door-frames around the house...
11:03:42 [Nyght]
has she seen you since you changed it?
11:04:21 [teleGUISE]
hmmm... well i was gonna say if you only had the 1 to get a set of directional antennas... i gather the psp and laptop get used often?
11:04:23 [dmp_panda]
speaking about network... any problem with MB right now?
11:04:25 [inhouseuk]
Nyght: yes, I went to see her before she'd noticed it
11:04:42 [Shepard]
dmp_panda: not here
11:04:48 [Nyght]
ah, that sucks, ya shoulda waited. :D
11:05:08 [inhouseuk]
I'm not that wicked
11:05:25 [dmp_panda]
mmm... keschte pushed buttons again? :D
11:05:39 [teleGUISE]
i was.. to the guy by my office that didn't listen and wouldn't turn his power down.. when i told him it would work fine...
11:06:13 [Nyght]
tele, the PSPs are wireless only, and access probably once a week, or more depending on how "lazy" we are. ;) the laptop not very often at all. (just when my computer is in use and someone else has to use the laptop for like aol, since we don't install it on our main computers, too intrusive.)
11:06:50 [teleGUISE]
for aol? you can access aol through the web with no install
11:06:56 [Nyght]
* Nyght hides her wickedness and tries to appear the good little angel like nikki
11:07:16 [teleGUISE]
just no chat rooms and crap... but mail aim etc..
11:07:40 [Nyght]
I know tele, but the adware and the cookies, and you can't for chat rooms if someone wants to chat on true aol chat channels. GAG!
11:08:26 [Nyght]
whoops, read. :D
11:08:38 [Nyght]
You can see I was typing when your last message came up.. at any rate.
11:08:41 [teleGUISE]
nyght: well youd be amazed with a set of directional antennas .. we were able to turn the power to 50% in most cases or even 25%... we then spectrum analyzed the perimeter and spurious emmissions were dropped 10fold
11:09:15 [teleGUISE]
that's why i said if you can drop the power they can't snoop what they can't hear
11:09:21 [Nyght]
I could probably turn mine down to 10% Cause it's an N network
11:09:52 [inhouseuk]
pre-N it hasn't been ratified yet :)
11:10:04 [Nyght]
Yeah yeah, pre-N
11:10:23 [teleGUISE]
but that also defeats directional antennas
11:10:25 [Nyght]
got into Pre-N because I was stealing signals with the laptop. :D
11:10:59 [teleGUISE]
the more bounce the more snoop(able)
11:11:12 [Nyght]
I know, I should shift to my g router for the house.
11:12:40 [Nyght]
I had to set up the pre-N while I was out in the garage and various other places and snagging signals from inside the houses I was visiting at, it came in very handy then. So, I do have an idea how far the signal travels and at what power... just none of them had basements so I don't know what the thick cement walls do. (Guess I should grab my laptop and check.)
11:12:42 [teleGUISE]
1 set up we did is through 2 houses, 1 brick wall and is no less than 75 feet using 50% power we get a signal strength of on average 90%
11:13:25 [Nyght]
That's the type of information I needed. :D
11:14:06 [Nyght]
I know I can pick up the banks signal like, at a tenth of a mile away.
11:14:21 [teleGUISE]
off axis at the same distance power was about 40% and further it dropped quite abit.. so basically anyone else could get 10% at best...
11:14:47 [Nyght]
does a wifi finder give you those specs?
11:14:51 [inhouseuk]
unfortuately the power can't be reduced on some access points, it's ether 100% or nothing
11:15:34 [teleGUISE]
you mean someone makes a a wifi ap/router that doesnt have power settings still?
11:15:51 [teleGUISE]
what good for saken company would that be...
11:15:54 [teleGUISE]
god
11:18:48 [teleGUISE]
nyght: depends on the wifi finder... the cheapies with 3 little led's don't .. actually the few tests we did i was lucky and was able to have use of a piece of cell/wifi test equipment that did spectrum analyzing
11:19:07 [Nyght]
It's a Belkin, and it doesn't look like there's a way to drop the power... I have been bothered with a few of Belkin's practices and already told them I wont be buying another of their network products. :(
11:20:16 [inhouseuk]
the motorola AP's don't have adjustment either
11:20:17 [teleGUISE]
for somereason some companies dont put the settings on the web page but you can telnet them
11:21:43 [teleGUISE]
kind of a paint but once it's set it's set.. until of course you have to reset the router.. but you could save a data file and then upload it..
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11:22:07 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda now thinks about a teleGUISE telnetable no-encryption router/wiki-network :p
11:22:37 [teleGUISE]
no my router is telnetable unless your directly connected to .. what do ya think im that stupid ;)
11:23:07 [dmp_panda]
no maaaaââââster
11:23:48 [Nyght]
I'll have to check that tele, it's not on the web area that's for sure.
11:24:19 [teleGUISE]
you can buy a cheap G or even B Linksys cheap that does power, netgear has it, d-link
11:24:30 [Nyght]
Linksys annoyed me too.
11:24:42 [teleGUISE]
Linksys run LINUX = good stuff ;)
11:24:46 [Nyght]
Because I could never get the damn thing to correctly address right.
11:25:20 [Nyght]
had to run dmz, and that was totally annoying, it was a problem with the firmware but they didn't replace it, I had to.
11:25:24 [teleGUISE]
can't say I ever used motorola so guess thats why i never ran into that problem
11:25:32 [teleGUISE]
or your saying Belkin
11:26:13 [teleGUISE]
well i hated linksys too... anyone owned by those crappy CISCO guys must suck :)
11:26:34 [Nyght]
mine is belkin, inhouse was talking motorola, and the messed up firmware that you couldn't run forwarded or virtual modes was a linksys.
11:26:39 [teleGUISE]
i was waiting for inhouseuk to perk up with that comment
11:27:02 [Nyght]
inhouse is being quiet again. :(
11:27:08 [inhouseuk]
:)
11:27:26 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk was getting a drink
11:27:57 [dmp_panda]
is inhouseuk connected somewhat to Cisco? :)
11:28:02 [teleGUISE]
actually i must say just like anything first editions have issues... early linksys had problems
11:28:02 [Nyght]
don' do that.. we misses you when you're off getting refreshments!
11:28:31 [Nyght]
it was an earlier one, I just think they shoulda replaced it instead of saying too bad, so sad.
11:28:56 [teleGUISE]
well thats cuz their CISCO and they could say that when nobody else could make a wifi router worth a poop yet
11:29:01 [inhouseuk]
dmp_panda: no, but most of my network kit is cisco and I have a fair amount of experience with cisco kit in general
11:29:26 [Nyght]
True teleGUISE, very true.
11:29:46 [Nyght]
give us another 100+ dollars because the first one didn't work right.
11:30:08 [dmp_panda]
kay. So I can say linksys firmwares sucks and the first thing I do is flash them with something else, without inhouseuk stoning me :D
11:30:12 [Nyght]
:smirks: bah, I left them just like I'm leaving Belkin behind, but worse, I wont connect either up to my clients either.
11:30:28 [teleGUISE]
i hate companies that think they have monopolies.. but have to admit when buddies of mine were having p2p issues causing there d-links to crap out and reboot... i let them borrow a crappy old B Linksys and it worked solid
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11:31:10 [Nyght]
Yeah, d-link's not much better.. I'm waiting for a good company to come out and remain solid, and good with customer relations.
11:32:17 [inhouseuk]
zyxel kit is very good, a sort of poor mans cisco
11:32:29 [teleGUISE]
dmp_panda: you flash your linksys with t3rd party like SVEA?
11:32:45 [dmp_panda]
I used dd-wrt in the past
11:33:00 [dmp_panda]
now I play safe and don't have time anymore to play games :D
11:33:22 [dmp_panda]
but dd was really nice
11:33:45 [dmp_panda]
openwrt was fine also if I remember well
11:34:30 [inhouseuk]
this is why I like cisco kit -> switch uptime is 1 year, 14 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 25 minutes
11:34:55 [teleGUISE]
yea.. some of those definitely had some cool command sets, made linksys finally offer some improved stock firmware
11:35:11 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/showrel.html?id=13868&type=album Panda, should the first e in bete noire have the accent over it?
11:35:24 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: bête
11:35:26 [teleGUISE]
hurry.. someone call inhouse's power utility and tell them turn off his power for 5 minutes :P
11:35:37 [Nyght]
That's the one. :) thanks!
11:35:38 [dmp_panda]
Bête noire
11:35:43 [dmp_panda]
for the cap
11:36:04 [inhouseuk]
tele: it's protected by a UPS :)
11:36:22 [dmp_panda]
there's also an exceptionnal gadget from Linksys which I much love, the NSLU2 - a small nas
11:36:28 [teleGUISE]
yea and i bet 5 minutes just aint gonna cut it for running your battery down either :)
11:36:50 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk nods
11:37:06 [Nyght]
LOL about like mine. :D
11:37:36 [Nyght]
* Nyght dies that tele hasn't done cat number and disc label yet
11:37:58 [teleGUISE]
for what?
11:38:12 [MartinRudat]
I think that I'd want an old laptop and a wi-fi card as a gateway/router...
11:38:25 [teleGUISE]
im playin hunt for open AP's now that you got me started on it again...
11:40:18 [teleGUISE]
i have 3 ap's like a sectored cell site all around me with directional antennas and query each in rotation ;)
11:41:21 [inhouseuk]
teleGUISE: these are nice to carry around in a pocket http://www.trendnet.com/en/products/TEW-429UB.htm
11:41:47 [inhouseuk]
they also do one with flash storage
11:41:49 [teleGUISE]
nyght: and come to think of it... if your in the basement why don't you just wire yourself? dont your utilities come in at ground level?
11:42:21 [MartinRudat]
I want one of these. =) http://www.peplink.com/productsLoader.php?productName=debian
11:42:52 [teleGUISE]
that's a cool one.. better than mine cuz mines not a flash storage.. i need one of those
11:42:53 [MartinRudat]
teleGUISE: that's neat.
11:43:00 [Nyght]
I'm upstairs, the wireless router is in the basement..
11:43:17 [Nyght]
and, I'm at a center wall, not at the side wall where I can just plug in without creating trip wires. :D
11:43:50 [Nyght]
Yeah, he got his real nicely priced on Ebay, he gloated about it in IRC.
11:44:06 [inhouseuk]
that I did :)
11:44:06 [MartinRudat]
* MartinRudat orders Nyght a reel of cat5, a few boxes of cable clamps, a packet of rj45 connectors, a crimping tool, and a hammer.
11:44:21 [MartinRudat]
=)
11:44:27 [Nyght]
Martin, I can't find my good cable... otherwise I would have the house wired.
11:44:40 [teleGUISE]
inhouseuk: where's the price
11:44:50 [Nyght]
got it from a business job I did, it was some specially coated cat five cable.
11:45:22 [Muz]
Cats! :D
11:45:27 [Muz]
Eee! 5 kitties :D
11:45:46 [teleGUISE]
martinrudat: that is pretty cool... are you gettin one of those?
11:45:52 [Nyght]
* Nyght wants five kitties but has been overruled by the husband
11:46:13 [MartinRudat]
teleGUISE: I'd like to, but I need to get me one of those disposable income things first... =)
11:46:33 [Nyght]
ugh, wouldn't it be nice if we all had disposable income! :DF
11:46:45 [inhouseuk]
tele: I don't think they sell them directly, but if I recall they are around $50
11:47:15 [teleGUISE]
nay... what's the price of those well depending on the one you want that's nothing that eating Ramen Noodles for about month couldn't fix
11:47:16 [MartinRudat]
Nyght: 'twould indeed.
11:48:22 [Nyght]
teleguise, what a horrible diet!
11:49:01 [MartinRudat]
* MartinRudat tries to remember the names of all those fun dietary diseases that people get from eating nothing but ramen...
11:49:14 [teleGUISE]
inhouseuk:that couldn't be for the one with flash storage to is it?
11:49:40 [teleGUISE]
bad diet but allows you to get toys quicker ;)
11:49:42 [inhouseuk]
nope, that would be more
11:50:15 [inhouseuk]
the standard one without flash is http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ANOYMM
11:51:28 [teleGUISE]
oh ok duh.. i didnt read the whole thing... i was wondering why it had a usb connector if it didnt have flash storage.. its cuz its a usb wifi adapter too ;)
11:52:01 [inhouseuk]
yes
11:52:28 [inhouseuk]
and the internal battery charges from the USB
11:53:01 [teleGUISE]
meez wasn't thinking... i was like what good is the usb just for charging the batteries ...
11:53:45 [dmp_panda]
teleGUISE: what's the conclusion with the trailing slash amz buzz? bother? don't bother?
11:54:01 [teleGUISE]
but like you said it does that and is a usb wifi.. not bad so your paying $34 for a fancy wifi finder+ $9 for a usb wifi adapter
11:55:07 [teleGUISE]
aww.. no gift wrapping available... no deal then.. i cant send myself a present
11:55:14 [inhouseuk]
aww
11:55:32 [teleGUISE]
inhouseuk: you have 1 of those?
11:55:46 [inhouseuk]
yes
11:56:07 [teleGUISE]
that exact 1 or the 1 with storage?
11:56:15 [inhouseuk]
that exact one
11:57:15 [inhouseuk]
it's very useful when I'm visting new clients etc, to scare them about security :)
11:57:22 [Nyght]
* Nyght has decided that any of the sony/bmg protected discs she comes along any more she'll write bmg/sony and let them and the artists know she's not buying the album but downloading it, because she can't rip it for personal listening anyways
11:59:11 [inhouseuk]
I thought sonybmg had now stopped producing protected discs
11:59:12 [teleGUISE]
hee.... so Mr. Customer i see your running a wifi G network SSID, on dafult channel unencrypted
11:59:27 [inhouseuk]
teleGUISE: you got it!
12:00:06 [Nyght]
nope, just changed the software
12:00:49 [Nyght]
http://www.sunncomm.com/support/faq/
12:01:11 [teleGUISE]
dmp_panda: i give up on guessing... people make up their own rules anyway ;) .. actually i really dont know why or if its part of the new update we just dont truncate all after the ASIN
12:01:47 [Nyght]
I think it's so the window doesn't stretch like crazy. ;)
12:01:53 [teleGUISE]
it's not hard to add a little better url checking..
12:02:14 [teleGUISE]
i dont recall test having anything better though
12:03:43 [teleGUISE]
hee.. i get to bitch about excite some more ;) .. i finally got my discog password email 8 minutes ago from how long was it ago we were talking about discogs
12:04:29 [teleGUISE]
why is my password so funky... i dont remember making my password funky
12:04:45 [Nyght]
actually keschte did something that wraps the titles now from what I recall.
12:05:13 [Nyght]
cause it took a note from the funky chicken?
12:07:43 [teleGUISE]
inhouseuk: you haven't by chance opened yours up have you? curious if the board had an external antenna socket provision already?
12:07:48 [Nyght]
panda http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5048816
12:10:37 [teleGUISE]
* teleGUISE wonders if inhouse is popping his nifty little toy open... (ok wishful thinking)
12:11:02 [inhouseuk]
teleGUISE: I haven't looked inside, I think getting inside would be quite difficult
12:11:11 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk was on the phone
12:12:32 [teleGUISE]
ooh.. boy Fry's sells Trendnet...
12:13:13 [teleGUISE]
they smokin crack though for the online price.. the store better be cheaper
12:13:15 [Nyght]
It doesn't look like it would just pop open and reclose.
12:13:45 [teleGUISE]
oh thats the one with the flash drive... but still
12:14:16 [teleGUISE]
a 512mb flash drive is $19 and they want $84
12:16:41 [inhouseuk]
$40 for the standard one http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4557127
12:16:41 [teleGUISE]
nyght: most of them are snap assy.. i would think they wouldn't epoxy seal it
12:17:19 [teleGUISE]
yeah... thanks i saw.. thats better than the amz price
12:18:21 [teleGUISE]
that means that 1 is probably the same at the store... but ill have to look... can't imagine them wanting $44 more just for 512mb flash drive
12:18:47 [teleGUISE]
especially when they sell a 2gig for $49
12:19:01 [inhouseuk]
older products always get discounted
12:20:02 [teleGUISE]
well than the 512mb combo one should be getting discounted cuz it should be older and being replaced with a 1gig version ;)
12:21:39 [inhouseuk]
yeah, when they release a 1gig version :)
12:21:46 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5057581
12:23:46 [Nyght]
* Nyght just wants a fresh set of eyes and those great searchers to look and see if they can find a legit release with the same track list
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12:26:15 [teleGUISE]
huh.. that things only coming up on a year old
12:26:51 [Nyght]
WHat's that teleguise?
12:27:35 [teleGUISE]
oh sorry nyght... talking about the hotspot finder
12:28:49 [teleGUISE]
and i meant to say already coming up on a year old.. so it should be being replaced witha new model
12:29:05 [Nyght]
I would agree
12:29:12 [Nyght]
* Nyght is waiting in fact
12:31:14 [inhouseuk]
hmm, those discids are a mess.
12:32:34 [teleGUISE]
and talk about cross link trm heaven!
12:32:41 [inhouseuk]
the ones with ~9:24 last track probably belong on the official release which had a hidden track at the end
12:32:58 [teleGUISE]
linked to 6 tracks on the same album ;)
12:33:04 [teleGUISE]
http://musicbrainz.org/showtrm.html?trm=56427670-f9d7-4148-9ba2-630f261851a4
12:33:10 [Nyght]
Yeah they are.. and I can't see keeping the album based on the disc id's
12:33:30 [Nyght]
yep
12:33:56 [inhouseuk]
but there is nothing stopping it from being classified as bootleg
12:34:36 [teleGUISE]
true.. it just would be nice to start with a clean slate, no trm's no pweeds, no id's
12:35:20 [teleGUISE]
stuff autofreedb imported from 2002 has a way of getting borked up over the past 4 years :)
12:35:27 [Nyght]
It's a heck of a lot of clean up specially for something "not official".
12:36:00 [inhouseuk]
trm's and puids can be removed without vote
12:36:04 [teleGUISE]
exactly... i mean you have 1/2 the people say screw trm's but when you want to delete them they go crazy
12:36:08 [Nyght]
I would say make the last track without the 9:24 time a NAT first personally.
12:36:15 [mudcrow]
i would delete the bugger
12:36:19 [teleGUISE]
making 190 edits is quite a pita though
12:36:50 [Nyght]
agreed tele, and just cleaning up the puid/trm from the screwed up foo fighters disc I got was annoying, yet less, this?
12:36:58 [teleGUISE]
you know me the DELETE MASTER :)
12:37:25 [Nyght]
* Nyght shrugs and figured it was worth a controversy over, specially cause she didn't start this one!
12:37:38 [teleGUISE]
well if you vote yes mud.. it could get deleted
12:38:14 [Nyght]
Nope, becaue that would be two to two and it would go to the no vote.
12:38:58 [Nyght]
cause I'm thinking, it's all the songs on the official disc, and therefore just as good as a home VA. sorta...
12:39:26 [teleGUISE]
does anyone even know if its still at freedb
12:40:05 [teleGUISE]
holy crap batman... there's over 90 entries at freedb
12:40:16 [Nyght]
and you can't delete any of the disc id's with homeburnt, because they're all homeburnt
12:40:34 [mudcrow]
http://www.freedb.org/freedb_search.php?words=Untouchables+korn&allfields=NO&fields=artist&fields=title&allcats=YES&grouping=none&x=0&y=0
12:40:45 [teleGUISE]
shmooz... nihouse nyght and your in
12:41:19 [teleGUISE]
well thanks mud.. i knew that part.. i thought you found the release for me ;)
12:41:21 [Nyght]
LOL I wont try.. inhouse is in my corner on something much more important. I value our unique looks (all of ours, not just Steve's.)
12:41:24 [Nyght]
Steves
12:41:25 [Nyght]
geh
12:41:48 [mudcrow]
i aint looking thru 100+ dodgy CDs at freedb
12:42:09 [teleGUISE]
me neither lets hope the majority stays and this is gone
12:43:16 [mudcrow]
http://www.freedb.org/freedb_search_fmt.php?cat=misc&id=b90ebd0e
12:43:24 [Nyght]
I would look at g-note first
12:44:26 [mudcrow]
the fact that its still in freedb is meaningless when they have so many obviously bogus entries for the same album
12:45:15 [teleGUISE]
true... i was just curious... that disc id isnt even one of the ones attached ;0
12:46:21 [teleGUISE]
most of them look to belong to the official version and are homebrew
12:46:28 [mudcrow]
well there's 106 disc ids there, i've looked at about 15 and each has a different tracklisting
12:46:44 [teleGUISE]
only 2 are actually for this release... and 1 is a homebrew of it
12:46:49 [Nyght]
here we go http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=4
12:47:04 [Nyght]
They're all homebrews teleguise~!
12:47:58 [teleGUISE]
exactly... 4 are homebrews of the official and for sure 1 is a homebrew of the other remaining
12:48:31 [teleGUISE]
mudcrow: http://musicbrainz.org/bare/cdlookup.html?id=b90ebd0e
12:50:10 [Nyght]
which was why I took a fun little jab and went to deleting at least three of the disc ids
12:52:16 [teleGUISE]
well nobody in the subsciber list looks familiar to being active so unless those snoopy chat log readers go typing in urls nobody will ever know about this edit ;)
12:53:18 [teleGUISE]
whats up with the id's on the official
12:58:39 [Shepard]
it's very chatty in here today compared to yesterday
12:58:48 [teleGUISE]
nyght - http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/moderator-open.html?moderator=37736
12:59:29 [Nyght]
Thank you teleGUISE> Happy to vote. :D
12:59:56 [Nyght]
But you didn't vote on mine. :P
13:01:11 [teleGUISE]
cuz i dont want modbot emails for when the removal passes, unless you plan on deleting them
13:01:41 [Nyght]
I will be. :D
13:01:56 [teleGUISE]
well then can i vote No to increase my No vote count :P
13:02:08 [Nyght]
LOL I don't care!
13:02:20 [Nyght]
but ya better change it if it doesn't get deleted
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13:03:30 [teleGUISE]
im just waiting for the comment to merge the release into the official one ;) ... crap it couldnt do any harm every track is already crosslinked and mismatched all over
13:04:27 [Nyght]
That could work... but, I would still want the disc id's gone... I haven't looked at the offician
13:04:34 [Nyght]
official releases disc ids yet.
13:04:51 [teleGUISE]
oh hey you like voting on myspace edits.. vote on this one so it goes off my subscribed open edits list.. cuz you know i refuse to vote on them ;) - http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5056459
13:05:37 [teleGUISE]
nyght: i was jokin about the merger... that's all we need is to cross the cross links with more crossing including pweedcross
13:05:41 [Nyght]
tsk tsk, doing your dirty work for you
13:05:55 [mudcrow]
hmm I'd vote for Ashlee Simpson any day
13:06:20 [Shrike]
np, Fallout - Rock Hard (Fallout 7") - pre-Carnivore/Type O Negative
13:06:28 [teleGUISE]
even though that does appear to be an official myspace page... i just cant get myself to vote on them :)
13:07:20 [teleGUISE]
thanks MUD... nyght flaked out
13:07:50 [teleGUISE]
and whats up with krazykiwi abstaining.. how do you abstain on a myspace edit
13:07:59 [teleGUISE]
yes or no... no abstain
13:08:01 [Nyght]
I was opening it, something has slowed my computer way down, imagine it's the TRM lookups
13:08:40 [teleGUISE]
or i should say yes / no or ignore it exists
13:09:39 [teleGUISE]
ashless has nice release events and record label & catalog #'s for all too :)
13:09:46 [teleGUISE]
that's ashlee
13:09:48 [ngw_]
ngw_ is now known as ngw
13:09:49 [mudcrow]
* mudcrow wishes people would add the label and/or country to these hits compilations. it's almost impossible to identify some of them without knowing where they are from
13:10:31 [teleGUISE]
hee... hee... mud encountring all the fun and having all the same complaints
13:11:06 [Shepard]
only 5k mods and you caught up with mo
13:11:11 [Shepard]
go, muddy, go!
13:11:17 [mudcrow]
lol
13:11:21 [teleGUISE]
you mean you cant find the VA titled "Greatest Pop Hits" with 23 tracks
13:11:35 [mudcrow]
I was wondering if I would hit 60k mods before mo
13:11:37 [Shepard]
oh, that one! ;)
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13:12:16 [teleGUISE]
:) .. no not that one shep its the one with 2 Ashlee Simpson tracks not just 1
13:12:27 [Shepard]
damn
13:12:42 [mudcrow]
right now I cant find "most wanted hits" that has the same tracklisting
13:13:01 [teleGUISE]
but crap i remember seeing that one somewhere titled "Greatest 22 Pop Hits" but had 23 tracks ;)
13:13:54 [teleGUISE]
and crap if mud is anymore glued to his computer Im thinking he showers in the same room...
13:13:56 [mudcrow]
compilers cant count, its a wellknown fact
13:14:17 [mudcrow]
showers?
13:14:30 [teleGUISE]
i was curious... 15 straight hours of editing on MusicBrainz is a SICKNESS if you didn't know :-)
13:14:51 [Nyght]
Mmmm, obsessive compulsive disorder for a fact.
13:15:10 [teleGUISE]
i take it you don't have a day job and are a "schooler" thats out on break
13:15:37 [mudcrow]
I do work occasionly.
13:15:55 [teleGUISE]
or if you do have a day job ask them if their hiring cuz i wanna get paid while I get to play 15hours on Musicbrainz
13:16:24 [mudcrow]
I'm self employed right now, so I only do work when I need the money
13:16:45 [teleGUISE]
mud works... yeah when you see the edit total dip below 4k for the week you know he took a day off :P
13:16:50 [Nyght]
Tele, go to work for DOL> :D
13:17:02 [teleGUISE]
dol?
13:17:20 [MartinRudat]
Department of Labour? *shrugs*
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13:17:33 [mudcrow]
hi joan
13:17:34 [Shepard]
hello joan
13:17:34 [teleGUISE]
thats what i thought too.. but still didnt get it
13:17:37 [Nyght]
Yeah Martin.. tele should recall that.
13:17:43 [Nyght]
Hi Joan
13:17:46 [teleGUISE]
i should?
13:17:51 [MartinRudat]
G'day Joan.
13:18:08 [Joan_W]
high mudcrow, shep, beth, martin and tele
13:18:09 [teleGUISE]
Hey Joannie Jett
13:18:12 [Nyght]
Yeah, I work at home and do billing for DOL, and get paid to be on the computer.. you asked if I ever was tempted to fake thebills. :D
13:18:31 [teleGUISE]
oh yeah... you did work for them...
13:18:32 [Joan_W]
Joannie Jett? dark hair yes but I can't sing to save my life
13:19:00 [teleGUISE]
who said.. turn on the shower a clip on the waterproof earbuds and crank the ipod ;)
13:19:09 [Nyght]
hehe do you sing in the shower Joan?
13:19:31 [Joan_W]
no - I can still hear myself even in the shower. Too many cigarettes over too many years.
13:19:33 [Nyght]
* Nyght hides cause tele and her are thinking too much alike!
13:20:13 [Nyght]
Eh, you should still sing, it's good for the soul
13:20:22 [Nyght]
even if it makes the ears cringe
13:20:25 [inhouseuk]
a large number of the artists today can't sing either, but they seem to get an income from it
13:20:25 [Joan_W]
I sing in my head
13:20:58 [Joan_W]
very true inhouse - when I was a teenager I won a singing competition representing London Schools. I was a soprano back then
13:21:21 [mudcrow]
you never want to hear me "sing"
13:21:58 [teleGUISE]
so whats your goal mud to beat zout? (not that that's your motivation... well maybe it is ;) )
13:22:15 [mudcrow]
my goal is to clear up these VA compilations
13:22:34 [Nyght]
* Nyght bites tongue and keeps opinion to self on those artists that can't sing
13:22:50 [teleGUISE]
well i hope you have a good savings cuz you won't be working again for awhile if that's your plan
13:23:10 [Nyght]
Eh, mudcrow You and I are as insane :)
13:23:26 [MartinRudat]
mudcrow: isn't that like trying to sweep a desert clean?
13:23:33 [mudcrow]
yes martin
13:23:40 [Joan_W]
everybody on here is insane - it's one of the criteria for gaining admittance
13:24:31 [Joan_W]
I do wish people who enter bootlegs would put a link as to where to find it - it would save an awful lot of work
13:24:37 [mudcrow]
It's always annoyed me that every time I entered a release, I would find loads of VA comps linked to the wrong artist, so I thought I'd try to clean them up a bit, not realising just how big a job that would be
13:25:23 [teleGUISE]
just delete the va comp is quicker ;)
13:25:52 [mudcrow]
I'm tempted to delete loads. theres a lot I see no reason for keeping in the db
13:26:28 [Joan_W]
then delete - I am sure if it is valid then someone will object and it can be re-instated
13:26:45 [teleGUISE]
holy crap you are at 59k.. i thought i looked the other day and you were like 25k away from me... you did 4k in edits in like 3 days!
13:27:07 [mudcrow]
lets start with all those bloody Promo Only radio comps. they really annoy me :p
13:27:21 [teleGUISE]
mud is a machine he is only part human ;)
13:27:47 [teleGUISE]
hee hee... i tell ya you bitch about the same va crap i did before...
13:28:10 [teleGUISE]
wtf is a Promo Only Radio Comp and why do we need them if they are promo only for the radio
13:28:39 [Joan_W]
the radio programme will have long gone and everybody will have forgotten about it
13:29:11 [Shepard]
censorship! :P
13:29:30 [teleGUISE]
its just some crap that found its way on p2p's and is no different then any other VA of its time
13:29:45 [mudcrow]
its not radio Joan, they are promo compilations only avaible to proffesional DJs through subscription. so they shouldnt be that many in circulation
13:29:59 [Joan_W]
sorry - my misunderstanding
13:30:26 [mudcrow]
but we seem to have just about every one in the db, I think someone has just copied the tracklistings from the website
13:31:03 [teleGUISE]
actually it was my bad i shoud have stated the title correctly "Promo Only Mainstream Radio" as in "Mainstream Radio" is the series they call it
13:31:12 [MartinRudat]
I've got three CDs around somewhere which are promo only... one I think was a mass-mailing from the state government...
13:31:22 [teleGUISE]
well actually mud should have said the title correct ;)
13:32:06 [mudcrow]
Promo Only: Mainstream Radio. There's Promo Only: Indie and gawd knows how many other series they do too
13:32:23 [teleGUISE]
it's so funny that i don't think a single 1 has a disc id and if 2 have a release even added even though its part of the title i'd be amazed
13:32:45 [teleGUISE]
release event added
13:33:39 [teleGUISE]
oh boy.. to my surprise .. 1 with a disc id and about 10 with dates, out of a few hundred
13:34:00 [teleGUISE]
damn search.. ok 4 with disc id's
13:34:48 [teleGUISE]
didnt the damn buckeyefan guy enter most of those
13:35:43 [mudcrow]
he seems to be the submitter on the ones i've looked at
13:36:18 [teleGUISE]
i seem remember voting no on some... the others i see have 0 votes
13:36:44 [Joan_W]
and they all seem to be imported from Freedb
13:36:47 [mudcrow]
like most dodgy entries, most seem to have passed with no votes
13:37:43 [teleGUISE]
yea.. i voted no on 21 of them :)
13:37:59 [Joan_W]
all buckeyefan and all about 8/9 February this year
13:38:23 [teleGUISE]
yeah mine i caught were the end of Feb
13:38:49 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk sulks - I can't sing along to this :(
13:38:51 [inhouseuk]
La Reina Del Baile from Oro: Grandes Exitos by ABBA
13:39:04 [inhouseuk]
Dancing Queen in Spanish
13:39:25 [teleGUISE]
and im sure all the trm's are just people tagging crap with a matching track but having nothing to do with that release
13:39:35 [Nyght]
Not my promos, but I'm a little more touchy about disc ids for my promo lists. :D
13:39:53 [Nyght]
Then again tele said I better be... so. :D
13:40:27 [mudcrow]
agrees with tele
13:41:41 [teleGUISE]
so who's gonna start puttin in remove edits for them :P .. we can problem hit em all by the top of the hour before anyone has a chance to say otherwise
13:42:38 [Joan_W]
18 minutes to go
13:42:40 [mudcrow]
well. they are in the db now. and I do have the website confirming they are subscription only releases.
13:42:54 [Joan_W]
vote: Yes
13:43:52 [mudcrow]
http://www.promoonly.com/database/
13:44:12 [Joan_W]
already looking at that - it's why I said yes
13:44:45 [teleGUISE]
when i told that story they said well if its a subscription then its legit and if its legit we should have it in the db.. blah blah blah yacky yacky poo
13:45:26 [teleGUISE]
and i was like if they have a subscription you will see they offer it in tagged form so there is no reason for them to tag it here cuz it comes tagged
13:46:03 [Nyght]
Okay, I recall what annoyed me about allowing "VA" torrents... then you can't find the actual release that was official if you are unsure about it.
13:46:58 [teleGUISE]
yea i dont get any of that , im still waiting for the explanation between that and a homebrew...
13:47:01 [mudcrow]
I didnt know we allowed VA torrents, I've voted down every release that I can only find via torrents
13:47:33 [Nyght]
I was, but then when it hit the mailing list, it seems that's a grey area not decided upon.
13:47:55 [Aankh|Clone]
VA torrents?
13:47:58 [Aankh|Clone]
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13:47:58 [teleGUISE]
yea the people who get crap via torrent are Grey about it
13:48:08 [Aankhen``]
What are VA torrents?
13:48:20 [Aankhen``]
Those homebrew compilations distributed through torrents?
13:48:24 [mudcrow]
I don't see the point of any VA compilation if the tracks are widely available on official releases
13:48:33 [mudcrow]
*VA bootleg comp
13:48:35 [teleGUISE]
DING!
13:48:39 [Nyght]
DING!
13:48:52 [Aankhen``]
DON^H^H^HDING!
13:49:25 [Nyght]
but, it's like, if we vote them down, then we're doing an unwritten "rule" now...
13:49:29 [teleGUISE]
but the VA bootleg has jimmy blowing his nose inbetween tracks so its different from the official
13:50:17 [Nyght]
LOL tele!
13:51:14 [Nyght]
Joan, ya wanna up your vote count?
13:51:15 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=4
13:51:37 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/user/view.html?uid=37736
13:52:10 [teleGUISE]
and who's jimmy ... jimmy was the guy who ripped the cd from Sally who borrowed it from Tom who then forwarded it Mike who mucked the tracks up some more.. then gave it to Clark who distributed amongst his mp3 buddies who added more crap to the tags, clipped half the tracks off and then gave it to Marty who seeded it on torrent.. so thats how Alex got it who then tried to unbork the track...
13:52:12 [teleGUISE]
...clips and took jimmy blowing his nose as a track transition ... whew! :P
13:53:04 [Nyght]
* Nyght snickers and hurts from laughing!
13:53:56 [Joan_W]
and it's not just Promo Only Mainstream Radio - if you look at their site they have 26 different promo lists http://www.promoonly.com/view_listings.php
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13:54:51 [teleGUISE]
and if you didnt get all that... if you just took the CD that jimmy ripped you'd have the official disc already in the db, so why add the crap torrent version... cut out the middle man
13:54:54 [inhouseuk]
teleGUISE: just as well he wasn't farting!
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13:55:11 [mudcrow]
I've been waiting for someone to download their database and start importing the whole lot
13:55:20 [Nyght]
Oh, but I have that torren inhouse~!
13:55:41 [teleGUISE]
inhouseuk: oh wait... thats the other being seeded now
13:55:45 [Joan_W]
vote count increased
13:55:46 [Nyght]
wb Joan
13:55:47 [teleGUISE]
see nyght already has it ;)
13:56:14 [Nyght]
* Nyght giggles madly!
13:56:43 [teleGUISE]
oh be sure to add the disc id when he was constipated to the correct disc not the burping version
13:57:00 [teleGUISE]
because that will bork up our track times
13:57:13 [Nyght]
should I burn it gapless, so it's closer to legit, or make it with four second gaps to insure it's known to be homebrew?
13:58:15 [teleGUISE]
i think 4 should be good cuz its already about 6 since it went ring around the rosy
13:58:26 [Nyght]
and Joan if you want to know why I'm referring to freedb.. http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5057581
13:59:12 [Nyght]
* Nyght dances and sings "ring around the rosey, pocket full of posies asses asses we all are asses.. whoops. :D
13:59:27 [Joan_W]
I don't trust anything coming from Freedb - always look for verification
13:59:46 [teleGUISE]
well crap now that everyone is voting im not editing ;) ...
13:59:58 [teleGUISE]
i need to go on a quick bogus disc id rampage
14:00:15 [Nyght]
Ah, you can finish the metalica and queen I didn't get back to. :D
14:00:21 [Nyght]
those clear out quick.
14:00:35 [Joan_W]
okay - here is where I show my ignorance - how can you tell if a disc id is bogus?
14:00:55 [teleGUISE]
screw metallica... they are too screwed up and i dont feel like dealing with grumpy metal heads and their bogus disc id's :)
14:01:58 [Nyght]
usually there's a +2 second gap.. I'm sure someone has an edit where it's all explained and can show you that edit Joan
14:02:15 [Shepard]
Joan: with tele's bogus methods. although they are not failure free, I have seen factory Disc IDs falling into his schema
14:02:43 [Nyght]
* Nyght is looking for the long explanation with bnm
14:02:43 [teleGUISE]
impossible...
14:03:06 [Shepard]
impossible is nothing :)
14:03:17 [teleGUISE]
please point me to a release link
14:03:30 [Shepard]
I didn't do a bookmark
14:03:39 [teleGUISE]
likely story ;)
14:03:43 [Shepard]
but I remeber two occasions
14:04:09 [Nyght]
The biggest one I found was the Beauty and the Beast Martin and I both have, that gives a fairly strange occurence and there are a few others., but, if in fact it's not bogus, someone will add it again within enough time.
14:04:17 [teleGUISE]
only way you would know is if you owned both discs
14:04:26 [Joan_W]
okay - thanks
14:04:49 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4874760
14:04:55 [Shepard]
or if someone else owns the other
14:04:55 [Nyght]
There's one.
14:05:45 [teleGUISE]
huh?
14:05:45 [Shepard]
anyways, I'm going to buy some disc IDs now.. back later ;)
14:06:05 [teleGUISE]
buy some.. you can just use luks gen and make all you want
14:06:41 [Nyght]
and that was the one I was actually searching for Joan. http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4874889
14:07:10 [Nyght]
Enjoy Shep!
14:07:13 [teleGUISE]
you keep posting links and im thinking your showing me a disc id that has exactly 2second gaps thats legit
14:07:19 [Nyght]
* Nyght has enjoyed filling in my music collection of late
14:07:45 [Nyght]
oh heck no tele, I would have to dig out my actual discs for that, and I don;'t have the patience today!
14:08:04 [Nyght]
the first I'd be going for would be the queen, because those times are all borked up for the collection.
14:08:27 [teleGUISE]
well you go queen
14:08:39 [teleGUISE]
queen and metallica are yours...
14:08:46 [teleGUISE]
i want something more fun
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14:09:34 [teleGUISE]
and no hip hop crap cause i dont feel like sifting through the explicit and clean versions
14:09:56 [Nyght]
actually I did metallica as a favor to mo, not a big favor in my opinion.. but, he asked, I complied, I was messing with queen already and I can't recall why.
14:10:05 [Joan_W]
can I have a couple of no votes here please so that I can get it sorted out with the correct track listing and bootleg title http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5084834
14:10:07 [teleGUISE]
crap how did open edits go above 5k again.. i had mine down to 4800!
14:10:11 [Nyght]
then stay away from adema too
14:14:10 [teleGUISE]
i wish the Broken Win32 CD TOCs report showed how many disc id's that release had because it is a good place to usually find borked id's and if i knew how many i would know which to pick
14:15:08 [teleGUISE]
a quick check of the inhouse-tele amz bogus report.... and it
14:15:34 [teleGUISE]
looks good :) only the amended 3
14:17:27 [Nyght]
Yeah, nikki did one up for me, but it doesn't change with disc ids deleted. :(
14:18:23 [Nyght]
however, I appreciate it all the same. :D
14:20:01 [Joan_W]
thanks for the vote beth
14:20:10 [Joan_W]
just one more needed now
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14:20:29 [Nyght]
You're welcome, just had to give wiki links at least.
14:26:11 [inhouseuk]
Nyght: which report did you require?
14:26:35 [inhouseuk]
albums by highest number of discids?
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14:29:15 [Joan_W]
inhouse or tele - if you have a moment, please take a look at http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5084834 for me please
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14:29:48 [Joan_W]
night Martin
14:29:51 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda back, now reading the logs to find who said "panda" :p
14:29:59 [Joan_W]
hi panda
14:30:03 [dmp_panda]
and hello Joan
14:30:33 [Nyght]
yes please inhouseuk
14:30:50 [Joan_W]
thanks tele - I can now get it straightened out
14:30:56 [Nyght]
Went into a sneezing fit, allergy season, ugh!
14:31:18 [teleGUISE]
ok anyone happen to have Dido - No Angel?
14:31:20 [Joan_W]
Cleo come to visit - paws on keyboard
14:31:45 [inhouseuk]
teleGUISE: yes, I have a copy of that
14:31:47 [teleGUISE]
12 disc id's and i think 10 are bogus.. would be nice to be sure though ;)
14:31:56 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: wtf http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5048816 ? MB moderators now speak french only?
14:32:34 [inhouseuk]
tele there are a couple of different versions, let me check which I have
14:32:36 [Nyght]
I dunno, maybe they're not very comfortable with English
14:32:42 [Nyght]
I just knew you spoke the language and I didn't.
14:32:51 [Joan_W]
I am sure "body building" is not French
14:33:00 [teleGUISE]
my super duper sensor detects that you have disc id - tGLVH4u4SbFYcx34YSdNQE.pyHA-
14:33:02 [dmp_panda]
Joan_W: sure :)
14:33:27 [Nyght]
LOL, well I don't do dido, sorry. :D I have one song a friend sent me, that's it.
14:33:28 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: they should better learn, still, if they plan to have any vote on their mod :D
14:33:45 [teleGUISE]
or of course it could be opposite and 10 are good and 2 are bogus.. that's why i asked ;P
14:33:56 [inhouseuk]
Nyght: give me a while and I'll hack that report for you, I'm in the middle of something at the second
14:34:02 [Joan_W]
Whilst I more or less understand panda, I still wouldn't vote as I know nothing at all about PUID's
14:34:38 [Nyght]
whenever you have the time, I try and not press you too often. :D
14:35:16 [teleGUISE]
actually i think thats the case 10 might be good and 2 are bad
14:36:00 [teleGUISE]
no 3 are bad
14:36:07 [dmp_panda]
teleGUISE: I was asking about that AMZ slash thingie coz one of my area is suddenly swamped by by 3 mods / per ASIN (the initial one with slash , the delete the initial one, and the add one without slash), not to mention now the "glitch" will come into play :/ ---- makes me think we should better replace "delete mod" by "cancel mod" coz too many newbie confuse "delete that mod" with "delete that ASIN AR"
14:36:12 [Nyght]
It's getting harder and harder to vote on things, more "other" languages
14:37:00 [teleGUISE]
you noticed that too.. i kept forgetting to say something and ask if we advertised on the No Speaky da english web news cast cuz lots of peeps no speaky da english enter many many edits
14:37:14 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5046113
14:37:27 [Nyght]
I don't get this... why is there abstains when this is going away from style?
14:37:39 [Joan_W]
I can only say that it is a good job Google is not a subscription site or I would be running up a hell of a bill checking on edits with no supporting evidence, let alone foreign languages
14:38:11 [teleGUISE]
dmp_panda: i really dont even see the problem with the "/" i mean it works... i really dont understand why this cant be handled server side as well...
14:38:34 [teleGUISE]
dmp_panda: people never answer these questions though ;)
14:38:51 [mudcrow]
Nyght; depends whether volume is part of the title. we shouldnt be adding volume if it isnt already there
14:38:54 [dmp_panda]
teleGUISE: because the server developpers are just lagggggingg (*ping* keschte *pong*)
14:39:05 [Nyght]
tele... it's coding. :) too much trouble. :D (it's an answer. probably not an accurate answer to boot, but hey!)
14:39:50 [dmp_panda]
teleGUISE: there's no problem until we end-up with 5 mods needed per asin... whoever asked for "no trailing slash asin" be spanked right now!
14:39:50 [teleGUISE]
and then people put stuff on the wiki and we dont know what to believe... just like imdb ar
14:40:29 [inhouseuk]
teleGUISE: the discid I have is http://musicbrainz.org/showcdtoc.html?id=8560 and a scan of the cover is http://www.inhouse.co.uk/misc/na.jpg if you want to add the label etc information
14:40:34 [teleGUISE]
i know myself i added quite a few before i was yelled at for doing it.. yet nobody was able to say why other than .. cuz the wiki says so.. well of course you wrote the damn wiki page
14:41:11 [teleGUISE]
whatever inhouseuk making me work... giving me cover scans and crap ... errr :)
14:41:42 [inhouseuk]
I had the cover scan up there for another reason months ago
14:42:42 [teleGUISE]
heee.... look how good the Tele MASTER is.. look at what disc id tele said inhouse would have.. come on.. come on you guys
14:42:49 [Nyght]
LOL good inhouse, you make him work for ya. :D
14:43:05 [Joan_W]
beth - your http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5046113 is, in any case, a bootleg of outtakes, etc. see http://www.members.tripod.com/UlfB/
14:43:23 [teleGUISE]
see what tele say - teleGUISE>my super duper sensor detects that you have disc id - tGLVH4u4SbFYcx34YSdNQE.pyHA-
14:43:41 [teleGUISE]
http://musicbrainz.org/showcdtoc.html?id=8560 = tGLVH4u4SbFYcx34YSdNQE.pyHA-
14:43:54 [teleGUISE]
come on.. pat tele on back.. say good disc id master... good disc id master
14:44:09 [Joan_W]
it should be volume, but it is five volumes in a set of bootlegs http://www.greg.grant.org/tom_waits_trades.html
14:44:20 [teleGUISE]
ok... your no fun.. its not even the same one ;)
14:44:24 [Joan_W]
good disc id master
14:44:40 [Nyght]
anyone read finish? http://www.findance.com/arvostelut/arvostelu.php?emmasalokoskitrio_puutarhassaep&PHPSESSID=73b82d948ca60a230146fc98f849fe29
14:44:43 [inhouseuk]
8560 is t2MXDXI254Fnkxzg.6Xbd0cY43E-
14:45:08 [teleGUISE]
i know... ok... your no fun.. its not even the same one ;)
14:45:15 [inhouseuk]
:)
14:45:22 [mudcrow]
Juhae speaks Finish
14:45:44 [mudcrow]
well I hope he does, as he his Finish
14:46:16 [teleGUISE]
actually i determined you would have 1 of the 52:xx total time ones after looking at discogs.. plus i figured it was more likely that 10 were right and 2 wrong than 2 right and 10 wrong
14:48:21 [Nyght]
I think it's Finnish, could be wrong
14:48:39 [inhouseuk]
yes, there have been a lot of different pressings of that album
14:49:57 [teleGUISE]
1 added the remove for the 1.. the only other i was questioning was - http://musicbrainz.org/albumdetail.html?albumid=3163&disciddetail=times .. was http://musicbrainz.org/showcdtoc.html?id=14317
14:50:23 [Nyght]
* Nyght away to cook breakfast for the hungry monsters
14:50:26 [teleGUISE]
track 11 being 10 seconds shorter
14:51:06 [teleGUISE]
oh and the one with track 2 being 4 seconds longer.. which is the one being dislpayed
14:51:33 [teleGUISE]
possible real ones but very odd
14:54:04 [dmp_panda]
Nyght, Joan_W: http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5048816 - translation of what he says is useless - even in french it's meaningless
14:55:16 [teleGUISE]
inhouseuk: you probably had it for something regarding "Thankyou"
14:55:43 [inhouseuk]
yes, I think it was
14:55:46 [Joan_W]
thank you for the note panda - I shall keep an eye open for his response.
14:56:31 [dmp_panda]
ok. If nobody from texas notices it, all may be fine :p
14:56:55 [Joan_W]
I think he is too busy with disc id's to notice if an atom bomb dropped on him
14:57:09 [dmp_panda]
anyhow, I remember I ping already
14:57:18 [dmp_panda]
because his french caps are horrible
14:57:45 [dmp_panda]
but I pinged in english :/
14:57:55 [teleGUISE]
well im not from texas...cuz i most certainly dont where shit kickers or a cowboy hat
14:57:57 [dmp_panda]
meant: in panda-english :D
14:58:07 [teleGUISE]
so you must not be talking about me
14:58:16 [Nyght]
LOL thanks Panda!
14:58:17 [Joan_W]
would we ever talk about you
14:58:44 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda now imagines teleGUISE riding a bull with a cowboy hat
14:59:18 [Nyght]
* Nyght laughs
14:59:43 [teleGUISE]
i'd get slapped if i called her a bull :) ... funny ?? no funny ??
15:00:09 [Nyght]
you'd get more than slapped I imagine
15:00:25 [Joan_W]
* Joan_W has a very vivid picture - tele in the the John Travolta role in Urban Cowboy
15:00:30 [dmp_panda]
somewhat funny :p
15:00:57 [dmp_panda]
maybe teleGUISE may enjoy being slapped :p
15:00:59 [teleGUISE]
well being i said it in the ladies (majority speaking) room i wasnt sure
15:01:21 [dmp_panda]
especially by ladies of course
15:01:23 [teleGUISE]
i was going to comment on slapping her but refrained..
15:01:45 [teleGUISE]
figured it was getting to male perverted
15:02:00 [teleGUISE]
thought you never know these crazy mbers might be into that wild stuff
15:02:29 [Joan_W]
too early in the day
15:02:33 [teleGUISE]
that was of course booty slap ...
15:02:38 [dmp_panda]
this room is really funny as long as Shepard doesn't *cough* :P
15:04:18 [teleGUISE]
ok dido wasnt fun only 4 releases that needed id's removed
15:04:28 [Joan_W]
okay - it is 4 p.m. and I have just realised I have not eaten today, so off to find some food in an empty refrigerator. Probably means I ought to do some shopping.
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15:05:03 [Joan_W]
Why is the women who always have to do the shopping?
15:05:30 [teleGUISE]
i dunno i like doing the groceries... i know what im getting then
15:05:45 [Joan_W]
I hate shops - all shops
15:06:05 [teleGUISE]
do the grocery stores have online shopping there?
15:06:09 [Nyght]
I'm lucky, my sweety shops when I ask him to, then again he's closer to the shops too
15:06:33 [dmp_panda]
Joan_W: I hate shops also. I just don't have choice. She beats me. Does she beats you also?
15:07:05 [Joan_W]
yes we have on line shopping and I have an account with the largest of them around here - but to make it worthwhile you need to do a "big" shop
15:07:47 [teleGUISE]
why they charge you more to do it online?
15:07:53 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda said enough stupidities for today. Bye fine people! See ya!
15:07:57 [Joan_W]
no - HE doesn't beat me - in fact he would go shopping if I asked, but then I would also end up getting a lot of stuff I didn't need.
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15:08:42 [Joan_W]
we have a charge of £5 over here - about $8 - so it has to be a large shop to make it worth the extra
15:09:17 [Joan_W]
okay - tummy making strange noises - better go and find something to eat
15:09:29 [Russss]
£3.99 for Tescos on a tuesday
15:09:51 [Russss]
that's twice the return bus fare
15:09:56 [Russss]
reasonable enough, methinks.
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15:10:12 [Joan_W]
only £3.99 - Tesco is my local store - well five miles away - will put through a big shop for next Tuesday.
15:10:39 [Russss]
beware their web site is terrible sometimes
15:11:10 [Joan_W]
I know - it is about a year since I did it on line, so they will not now have a list of my regularly purchased items. Start from scratch again
15:12:12 [Joan_W]
We have an ASDA nearby and they also deliver, a Morrisons - but they don't and unfortunately we do not have a Sainsburys, unless I want to go to Wakefield
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15:12:41 [Joan_W]
or Doncaster
15:14:07 [Joan_W]
FOOD - away
15:14:14 [inhouseuk]
* inhouseuk has somerfield and Lidl 5 minutes walk away, all the others within a 5 mile radius
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15:19:04 [dmp_panda]
oh well... back anyway... Nyght: that "french" mod is really mysterious - bound to fail anyhow right? The PUID is already detached it seems...
15:19:34 [dmp_panda]
or I don't get it...
15:20:21 [Nyght]
Then it will fail dependency
15:20:39 [dmp_panda]
dunno. I just don't get it: "Old: This PUID was removed from this track"
15:22:32 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/showpuid.html?puid=31eb908c-3ce5-252e-9f78-112275364cd9
15:22:35 [Nyght]
it's that one
15:23:10 [Nyght]
looks like you just found a bug
15:24:22 [dmp_panda]
do you suggest it's a "wording" bug?
15:24:49 [dmp_panda]
or worse
15:26:23 [Nyght]
It's worse
15:26:30 [dmp_panda]
mm
15:26:33 [Nyght]
it wont go to the correct page... it says not found
15:26:56 [Nyght]
but, it shows in the url what it's supposed to go to
15:27:13 [dmp_panda]
but... if the puid would be already removed, that mod should have already failed right?
15:27:54 [Nyght]
/showpuid.html?puid= It's missing this part of the code
15:28:23 [Nyght]
no. not until it's truly gone, and the PUID is still there.
15:29:31 [dmp_panda]
the little "teleGUISE PUID expertise" is awaited by its parent at the moderation store
15:30:32 [dmp_panda]
unrelated note: I asked that moderator already - now, please, somebody stops his french cap massacre
15:31:22 [Nyght]
* Nyght figures the panda will be waiting a while
15:32:15 [dmp_panda]
for the little teleGUISE to come to his parents or for that moderator to stop FuCkINk the french cap? :D
15:35:27 [Nyght]
panda, are you lookjing over the other mods?http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5052975
15:35:48 [Shepard]
back
15:35:58 [dmp_panda]
hi again Shep ;)
15:36:09 [Shepard]
hey hey panda
15:36:49 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: I'have looked through his mods two days ago I guess and posted that: http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5052972
15:37:48 [Nyght]
ah, it looks like he needs a bit of tutoring I imagine
15:37:59 [Nyght]
though I'm not seeing any responses from the editor either
15:38:00 [dmp_panda]
"Bad cap on albums I don't care about" - I'm a bad panda, I don't care ;) - now, no answer and he continues to rampage, I DO care :)
15:38:35 [dmp_panda]
let give him a day or two after my french answer?
15:38:48 [dmp_panda]
see if he continues to?
15:38:50 [Aankhen``]
* Aankhen`` O.D.s on smilies.
15:39:01 [dmp_panda]
!wft O.D.s
15:39:15 [dmp_panda]
!wtf O.D.s
15:39:16 [BrainzBot]
That acronym wasn't in the database, please add the definition if you find it: http://acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?acronym=O.D.s
15:39:24 [Freso]
dmp_panda: Overdose
15:39:28 [Nyght]
Very cool
15:39:28 [Nyght]
overdoses
15:39:46 [Freso]
Nyght: :)
15:39:47 [dmp_panda]
aarrrr I swear I'll lower the rate
15:40:09 [Freso]
dmp_panda: :p
15:40:11 [Freso]
;)
15:40:15 [Freso]
(Sorry.)
15:40:31 [Aankhen``]
dmp_panda: You gotta hook me up, man!
15:40:34 [dmp_panda]
sorry Aankhen`` :P :) :D
15:40:41 [Aankhen``]
dmp_panda: It's like torture to be seperated!
15:40:44 [Aankhen``]
Ahh...
15:40:46 [Aankhen``]
* Aankhen`` feels the buzz.
15:40:54 [mudcrow]
:):):):)
15:40:57 [mudcrow]
bugger
15:41:04 [Aankhen``]
* Aankhen`` gets an even bigger high.
15:41:05 [mudcrow]
:) :) :) :0-
15:41:19 [Aankhen``]
* Aankhen`` shoots through the stratosphere, dangerously close to ODing again.
15:42:07 [dmp_panda]
anyhow :) ;) :/ :0 and seriously I *hate* french capitalization mods. So please let's watch this before it becomes unmanageable, right? :D oO :)
15:42:20 [Nyght]
hehehehe ;) :) :D :P :( not all my faces produce the correct smileys.. specially this one which is why I like using it. ;0)
15:42:48 [Aankhen``]
GAH!
15:42:52 [Aankhen``]
THE BUZZZZ!
15:42:55 [Aankhen``]
* Aankhen`` blissfully ODs.
15:43:04 [Aankhen``]
* Aankhen`` bleeds colons and brackets.
15:43:37 [Nyght]
Well, I'm not good with it at all, frederic? is French as well, I can give him a head's up too.
15:43:37 [mudcrow]
i hate french capitalisation mods too, because french capitalisation confuses me totally
15:44:24 [dmp_panda]
back to the main the little TELEGUISE is still lost in the grocery shop and still awaited by his parents for smileys expertise, errrrrrr I meant, PUID expertise
15:44:26 [Aankhen``]
What is French capitalization?
15:45:05 [dmp_panda]
What is EnGliSH cap StANDard?
15:45:16 [Aankhen``]
Eh, English has no standards.
15:45:25 [dmp_panda]
mucrow: sentence mode
15:45:29 [Nyght]
Engrish geesh. :D
15:45:40 [dmp_panda]
mudcrow: and your mostly done
15:45:44 [mudcrow]
hands pands a d
15:45:57 [dmp_panda]
but the exception
15:46:03 [dmp_panda]
exception(s)
15:46:05 [dmp_panda]
*sigh*
15:46:37 [VxJasonxV]
This may be an odd request, but is there anyone here that could push through an automod for me?
15:46:43 [VxJasonxV]
if that's even the right term.
15:47:01 [Nyght]
Automod shouldn't need pushing through, what's the mod?
15:47:08 [VxJasonxV]
erm, pending mods, yeah
15:47:22 [VxJasonxV]
All the track changes on this album: http://musicbrainz.org/album/11d8ec7d-4162-42ec-bdad-13ab1be4cd66.html
15:47:34 [VxJasonxV]
I finally got proof from the artist: http://vxjasonxv.com/images/synthsationstracklist.png
15:47:39 [mudcrow]
Mon homme elephantis that correct panda?
15:47:48 [dmp_panda]
mostly
15:47:49 [VxJasonxV]
All the tracklistings on the web omit the attributed artist...
15:47:53 [dmp_panda]
cap wise
15:47:58 [VxJasonxV]
(and also leave out Ms. CTR too
15:47:59 [VxJasonxV]
)
15:48:00 [dmp_panda]
you missed accent
15:48:13 [dmp_panda]
mudcrow: "Mon homme éléphant"
15:48:28 [mudcrow]
bugger
15:49:51 [dmp_panda]
mudcrow: always lowercase unless title begins with "Le" "La" "Les" "L'". Just ping me for the accents, and you resolved 99% of french problems :D
15:50:02 [mudcrow]
looks - I didnt enter the album, so not my fault :p http://musicbrainz.org/album/b15fc5ab-f145-46ef-9631-c494ce527890.html could you have a look at the caps/spelling
15:50:03 [Nyght]
Geh, that's not a fun shift of things... still reading though
15:50:25 [VxJasonxV]
Nyght, that's what happens when the artist has multiple personalities XD
15:50:46 [VxJasonxV]
(On an arcade game, he has no less than 10 psuedonyms, this CD is only a FRACTION of that :P)
15:51:01 [Nyght]
hehehe true Jason!
15:51:02 [dmp_panda]
mudcrow: any fu**** artist intent I should be aware of?
15:51:17 [mudcrow]
not that I know of
15:53:58 [dmp_panda]
mudcrow: it's now panda-borked :p - afaik and as I said, sentence mode first, then if "LeLaLes", uppercase the first letter of the noun following. The rest are accents.
15:54:23 [mudcrow]
thanks panda
15:55:24 [dmp_panda]
np :). About the release title though...
15:55:44 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5053537 This is the only one I didn't approve
15:56:03 [Nyght]
sorry for the spam, but since it's not someone I am "familiar with" I figured it was better to note most of the approvals
15:56:04 [dmp_panda]
mudcrow: what about "Allo le monde..." instead of "Allo le monde"?
15:56:06 [VxJasonxV]
WHOOPS
15:56:09 [VxJasonxV]
snap
15:56:15 [VxJasonxV]
thanks for being on the ball Nyght...
15:56:19 [VxJasonxV]
(more so than I am >_>
15:56:52 [mudcrow]
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005AXFH.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg you're right panda. shows monde...
15:57:04 [Nyght]
You're welcome. :D I don't just blindly do things, otherwise I would hope someone flogs me!
15:57:17 [Nyght]
errr.. no, worse, flogging might make me be less thorough
15:58:23 [dmp_panda]
mudcrow: note that I'm not concerned... and most times, cover art I don't give too much credit... So, just as you feel is appropriate.
15:58:35 [VxJasonxV]
sweet. once it's deleted, the yellow will all disappear
15:58:58 [dmp_panda]
mudcrow: and I would go with "..." variant though.
15:59:17 [Shepard]
haha.. translating german liner notes to the english ARs is funny...
15:59:24 [mudcrow]
i changed it thanks
16:00:44 [VxJasonxV]
hmmm
16:00:46 [Nyght]
whoo hoo, just slipped iunder the wire with those approvals
16:00:48 [dmp_panda]
now mudcrow, when I'll need help, what kind of strange and mystical stuff and/or language do you master (so that I know)? :p
16:00:49 [VxJasonxV]
Picard put that in Various Artists ?
16:00:59 [VxJasonxV]
Even though the album artist is KaW ?
16:01:22 [Nyght]
Yes, because it's various.
16:01:39 [VxJasonxV]
:| it's only one person.
16:01:43 [Nyght]
I wish it responded to SGdr5 maybe eventually it will
16:01:57 [VxJasonxV]
hum
16:02:00 [mudcrow]
I struggle with the english language... but have an extensive knowledge of 80's punk bands
16:02:17 [Nyght]
mudcrow: what is your native tongue?
16:02:19 [dmp_panda]
oh! good to know
16:02:21 [mudcrow]
english
16:02:34 [Nyght]
LOL ah, I see you sound like me. :D
16:02:54 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=4
16:02:58 [mudcrow]
erm south london varient of english mixed with a bit of Norfolk
16:03:01 [Nyght]
Panda, can I get some votes?
16:03:26 [VxJasonxV]
Nyght, that's not right though. Because Synthsations is listed as an album for KaW's artist page
16:03:31 [Nyght]
Mmm, simple american mess up for me.
16:03:31 [dmp_panda]
Nyght: I don't know... I need to think about it... really... :p
16:03:53 [Nyght]
* Nyght snickers "Bad Panda"
16:04:12 [Nyght]
Is it still listed under KaW correctly?
16:04:21 [VxJasonxV]
yes
16:04:37 [VxJasonxV]
What my point was, was that it's listed as an Album for KaW, yet it's Various Artists?
16:04:40 [dmp_panda]
errrrr Nyght: the link you provided is my own laundry list right? :p
16:04:50 [dmp_panda]
ooo
16:04:54 [Nyght]
Oh, wonderful, no it's supposed to be mine
16:05:00 [dmp_panda]
loooooooooool
16:05:17 [Nyght]
Yeah... well, maybe AR to KaW will clear it up?
16:05:21 [dmp_panda]
Nyght is providing your own laundry list :D
16:05:40 [Nyght]
I've seen sometime an AR over ride what's in the text field, or I thought it had once.
16:05:47 [mudcrow]
http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=141077
16:05:56 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda handles Nyght a little help: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=141077
16:05:56 [Nyght]
well... :) Panda, you can't vote on your own edits! :P
16:05:59 [mudcrow]
you need to include your mod id
16:06:20 [dmp_panda]
geeeeee this rooom is hystreical now :p
16:06:32 [Nyght]
* Nyght snickers
16:06:40 [dmp_panda]
oh well can't even spell it right
16:06:49 [Nyght]
alright mudcrow and Panda, get out of the water together, panda's and Crow's should never think alike
16:07:16 [dmp_panda]
so Nyght needs votes. crows needs votes. pandas needs votes.
16:07:17 [Nyght]
I am a name, not a number!
16:07:24 [dmp_panda]
just don't use the same url :p
16:08:56 [dmp_panda]
whats is mudcrow workin on by the way? (besides punk bands)
16:09:04 [mudcrow]
everything
16:09:08 [dmp_panda]
:D
16:09:13 [dmp_panda]
crows rock
16:09:22 [mudcrow]
VA compilations and splitting bands of the same name
16:09:33 [dmp_panda]
mmmm
16:10:07 [dmp_panda]
I don't remember I saw you in my own "pain regions" though, which means MB is vast.
16:10:46 [Nyght]
well I ventured into jazz earlier.
16:11:19 [dmp_panda]
did you? Without even giving me a phone call?
16:11:22 [mudcrow]
you know when I hit when of your subscribed artists when you start seeing 100's of mods being done
16:11:51 [dmp_panda]
let see that now... http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=192108&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc
16:11:57 [dmp_panda]
hooooo
16:12:03 [dmp_panda]
50k mods?
16:12:06 [dmp_panda]
hoooo
16:12:20 [dmp_panda]
don't you have a real life? :D
16:12:27 [dmp_panda]
or... a job? :D
16:12:53 [mudcrow]
i have no life it seems :p
16:13:37 [dmp_panda]
mudcrow: please come to my one of my subscriptions and do 1000 mods. Needs help!!! Jazz looks really bad!
16:13:43 [mudcrow]
I don't know everyone is surprised at the amount of mods, everyone knows VA comps are a mess, which is why no-one touches them
16:13:51 [Nyght]
Well, everyone said it was jazz while I was doing lookups, but her name is jhelisa
16:13:53 [dmp_panda]
I do
16:14:03 [dmp_panda]
I want VA mess out of jazz
16:14:13 [dmp_panda]
I know it's feasible
16:14:16 [Nyght]
mudcrow, I touch them every time I do one of "my artists" I just haven't been editing a lot at all lately.
16:14:49 [Nyght]
I think my next tackle will be unknown though
16:15:00 [VxJasonxV]
Anybody want tons and tons of easy mods? Go clean up all the improperly sorted artists starting with "The" :D
16:15:48 [mudcrow]
if you want tons of mods, go clean up Bollywood soundtracks.
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16:15:58 [VxJasonxV]
huh
16:16:00 [nikki`]
yay library
16:16:05 [mudcrow]
hi nikki
16:16:06 [VxJasonxV]
nikki`, I know someone else that uses that cgi irc proxy
16:16:13 [nikki`]
inhouseuk: what's the url for your cgi:irc?
16:16:19 [VxJasonxV]
I don't suppose you live in/around New York?
16:16:23 [nikki`]
VxJasonxV: I found it from wikipedia's cgi:irc article
16:16:23 [nikki`]
no
16:16:26 [nikki`]
I'm in the uk
16:16:42 [Nyght]
tons of easy mods and votes, just check new albums coming into VA
16:16:48 [Nyght]
va-mb
16:17:07 [inhouseuk]
nikki http://www.inhouse.co.uk/cgi-bin/irc.cgi
16:18:18 [mudcrow]
correcting caps, adding release attributes & setting language/script are all easy mods, and theres 1000's of releases that need doing
16:18:27 [nikki`]
ah
16:19:00 [Nyght]
treu true
16:19:49 [dmp_panda]
Bonjour nikki`variant ;)
16:20:54 [nikki`]
salut
16:23:39 [dmp_panda]
nikki: how was Oxford?
16:24:11 [nikki`]
*is*
16:24:18 [nikki`]
* nikki` is in oxford's central library
16:24:47 [nikki`]
it's busy and pretty
16:24:55 [nikki`]
* nikki` is exhausted...
16:25:07 [dmp_panda]
is/was. dunno. Does it still exist after you went there?
16:25:23 [nikki`]
I'm still there
16:25:32 [dmp_panda]
you yes :p
16:25:40 [nikki`]
so you can't say 'was'!
16:26:10 [Freso]
nikki`: He didn't. He wrote it.
16:26:30 [Nyght]
no he didn't, he typed it
16:26:39 [Freso]
nikki`: And he managed to do it just fine, from what I can tell.
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16:26:47 [nikki`]
seems you need a dictionary...
16:26:51 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda now hides under some grammar book in order to know how to properly speak to the Oxford Mistress :D
16:27:01 [nikki`]
because 'say' can mean 'express in words', which is what he did.
16:27:07 [Freso]
Nyght: :)
16:27:46 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda now hides behind nikki and throw Freso a few rocks :p
16:28:30 [nikki`]
hehe
16:28:32 [dmp_panda]
coz Freso english is obviously a loosy variant of panda-english
16:29:14 [dmp_panda]
no disrespect, though, just sheer facts
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16:31:07 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda throws one more stone toward Freso's head just to see if he's still alive
16:31:21 [Freso]
Actually Freso English is a mix of Irish, Scots, Brits, Danish, American, archaic / historical, and 'poetic' English.
16:31:33 [dmp_panda]
yeah, sure
16:31:34 [nikki`]
* nikki` is pure brit
16:31:42 [Freso]
* Freso is pure Freso
16:31:43 [Freso]
:p
16:31:50 [Nyght]
Freso Panda and tele english.. then nikki engrish, I'm totally not in the groove
16:32:04 [dmp_panda]
especially nikki engRish :D
16:32:15 [Freso]
Except that Freso isn't really pure, but, eh.
16:32:15 [dmp_panda]
I would love to know how that sounds
16:32:29 [mudcrow]
and mudglish
16:32:29 [nikki`]
* nikki` thinks tele's english is more engrish than her own
16:32:36 [nikki`]
most people find tele's english weird :P
16:33:08 [Freso]
Yes.
16:33:12 [dmp_panda]
That's not people thought. That's a fact. Tele-english is actually weird :p
16:33:45 [dmp_panda]
which is why it's valuable
16:34:52 [Nyght]
* Nyght is a true freak cause non of them are strange to her
16:35:29 [dmp_panda]
Given how you spelled "none", I'm not suprised :D
16:35:44 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda now hides far away from Nyght to avoid the rocks :D
16:35:54 [Nyght]
but really I do have my own variant, it's "one off" english... and it takes nikki to translate it. :D
16:36:17 [Nyght]
* Nyght wondered if anyone would catch that. ;)
16:36:34 [Nyght]
grammar mavin!
16:37:08 [dmp_panda]
!wtf mavin
16:37:09 [BrainzBot]
That acronym wasn't in the database, please add the definition if you find it: http://acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?acronym=mavin
16:37:16 [dmp_panda]
that bot just suck
16:37:25 [dmp_panda]
I know it's not an acronym
16:37:33 [dmp_panda]
ish
16:37:39 [Nyght]
no, it it sucked more guys would hang out here more often. :D
16:37:50 [dmp_panda]
can't we have a decent dictionnary? :p
16:37:51 [Freso]
Nyght: ...
16:38:06 [Nyght]
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/mavin
16:38:57 [dmp_panda]
I can't read!!! I'm blind! Something writtent in latin, please!
16:39:04 [dmp_panda]
written
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16:39:24 [Nyght]
* Nyght borrows nikki's crown
16:39:26 [Nyght]
yes Freso?
16:39:34 [dergringo]
hi
16:39:42 [dergringo]
how can I add a cover to an album?
16:39:42 [Freso]
Nyght: Just... ...
16:39:57 [Freso]
dergringo: Keyword: Amazon ASIN
16:40:03 [Freso]
:)
16:40:04 [Nyght]
http://www.answers.com/topic/maven
16:40:14 [mudcrow]
with an amazon link to the same release dergringo
16:40:35 [dergringo]
amazon does not sell this album
16:40:50 [mudcrow]
then you can't add cover art i'm afraid
16:40:57 [dergringo]
oh :(
16:41:02 [dergringo]
kk
16:41:04 [dergringo]
thx
16:41:30 [mudcrow]
blame the lawyers, coverart is protected by copyright
16:42:38 [dergringo]
dergringo is now known as dergringo^afk
16:43:46 [mudcrow]
the title "The Death of Ase from Peer Gynt Suite" just doesn't scan right
16:47:19 [Nyght]
* Nyght returns nikki's halo back to her
16:51:37 [nikki`]
* nikki` polishes and props it back above her head
16:51:41 [nikki`]
O:)
16:52:31 [Nyght]
* Nyght smiles, knowing it belongs there more
16:52:36 [Freso]
* Freso shields his eyes from the light now radiating from nikki`
16:52:44 [catgroove]
* catgroove pings
16:52:48 [catgroove]
ping!
16:52:50 [Freso]
* Freso pongs
16:52:54 [dmp_panda]
pong
16:53:00 [catgroove]
no, its just a mo-ping
16:53:03 [catgroove]
no pong necessary
16:53:06 [mudcrow]
moping
16:53:12 [Freso]
Aw.
16:53:13 [nikki`]
mopong! :P
16:53:15 [Freso]
Don't mope. :(
16:53:19 [catgroove]
* catgroove rolls
16:53:19 [mudcrow]
:)
16:53:29 [nikki`]
mopong looks like an indonesian word
16:53:35 [inhouseuk]
Nyght: http://www.mb.inhouse.co.uk/topdiscids.html server is a little loaded at the moment, so it might be slow
16:53:36 [catgroove]
it probably is
16:53:53 [Nyght]
thank you inhouse! Faving it as soon as it loads
16:54:34 [catgroove]
isn't this wrong? http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5052971
16:55:45 [dmp_panda]
chat totalement foufou: I'm not sure...
16:55:55 [dmp_panda]
yeah it's wrong
16:56:17 [dmp_panda]
but artist intent?
16:57:10 [mudcrow]
artist intent in being the inablity to spell Rebecca?
16:57:36 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda shuts the fuck off himself
16:58:35 [catgroove]
this morning I noticed in my tagradio playing 'sir lord baltimore' it had never done that. I had tagged it a long time ago, but that album was just added a little while ago: http://beta.last.fm/explore/ (on the second line seconds fro mthe right)
16:59:09 [catgroove]
thank you whoever upladed 'kingdome come' sirlord baltimore album!
16:59:27 [Freso]
W00t! Last.fm Radio works again!
16:59:37 [catgroove]
it didn't work?
16:59:44 [catgroove]
been playing it since this morning
17:00:16 [Freso]
catgroove: I couldn't get it to output sound, but I suspect it was ALSA misbehaving.
17:00:19 [catgroove]
and been playign it the past few days
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17:01:26 [catgroove]
waga
17:01:31 [ruaok]
klepto!
17:01:44 [nikki`]
klepto!
17:02:28 [nikki`]
wonder how long I have left
17:03:34 [dmp_panda]
kind of an argument also: http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5048755 - May I translate? Here: "indeed, it's a live" - which is not to say she/he's wrong, but frankly he/she done already a lot of very bad french cap, so please be kind with n00bs but also watch him/her
17:05:40 [mudcrow]
newbs not noobs
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* Nyght wanders
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17:14:50 [Freso]
Is there an Irish cap standard?
17:15:20 [Freso]
Guess not.
17:15:27 [catgroove]
write one!
17:15:41 [Freso]
* Freso goes for sentence case
17:15:46 [dmp_panda]
Irishs just capitalize Guiness :p
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17:22:42 [Shepard]
Hmm Guiness
17:25:16 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda handles the extra Guiness to Shepard
17:26:07 [Freso]
* Freso wants Guinness ;_;
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17:28:06 [catgroove]
hey shep, now l.fm is promesign not a pony, but an unicorn http://beta.last.fm/tools/
17:28:07 [catgroove]
:o
17:29:09 [Shepard]
they are a bit far from reality ;)
17:29:14 [dmp_panda]
Sorry, the Last.fm Beta site is currently only accessible by subscribers
17:29:18 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda would prefer a pony
17:29:24 [dmp_panda]
in these conditions :p
17:29:37 [Shepard]
Coming soon to this space: a brand new Last.fm sidebar for your blog, chart images, data feeds, banners, buttons, a unicorn riding over a rainbow, and more. Stay tuned!
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17:29:55 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda stays tuned :p
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* dmp_panda now quit tuned position
17:30:19 [Shepard]
screw the new features, I don't want them. as long as they don't figure out how to update their MB data, they'll see no penny from me
17:36:22 [nikki`]
* nikki` knows the feeling
17:36:54 [nikki`]
they did something where data ended up a bit cleaner
17:37:13 [nikki`]
but there are still a load of tiny artists with shitty pages and I hate it
17:38:04 [Shepard]
it's not a feeling, it's a fact :P
17:39:12 [Freso]
* Freso just added an album without track titles :o
17:39:20 [Shepard]
:o
17:39:20 [catgroove]
o.O
17:39:30 [catgroove]
òÓ
17:39:34 [nikki`]
you feel annoyed with them for not updating their data, that's a feeling
17:39:35 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda confess he doesn't know shit about lastfm and doesn't want to know - but everybody immediately forgives him as he is a n00b
17:39:46 [Freso]
dmp_panda: :)
17:39:51 [nikki`]
and I feel annoyed with them because I can't merge tracks or link them to mb or something to clean them up
17:40:05 [nikki`]
hey panda, how did you find mb?
17:40:22 [dmp_panda]
I was aware of it years ago I guess...
17:40:39 [nikki`]
hmph
17:40:45 [nikki`]
how did you become aware of it? :o
17:40:46 [dmp_panda]
but just recently felt again about looking at it with a player
17:40:52 [dmp_panda]
years ago? :p
17:41:24 [dmp_panda]
can't remember. Googling I guess.
17:41:43 [catgroove]
I found it through 'listen-to' ahh. rip listen-to
17:42:05 [dmp_panda]
But at that time it just looked to me too much like an immature replacement to freedb (sorry to say that :/)
17:42:22 [catgroove]
if it was years ago, it might have been :o
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17:42:43 [dmp_panda]
cat: I don't know... maybe two years ago?
17:42:59 [catgroove]
I remember though, I came to mb, tagged all lmy files (nearly) and the left, then about a month later or so started moderating and reading and things.
17:43:20 [dmp_panda]
I was interested in my own egoist thingie at that time
17:43:32 [catgroove]
but i n that month I completely forgot about it
17:43:57 [dmp_panda]
but, you know...
17:44:20 [nikki`]
library closing...
17:44:22 [catgroove]
added all my cd-albums
17:44:23 [dmp_panda]
the thing that interested me was musician information, locations, sessions, recording dates...
17:44:35 [catgroove]
made some *very* hilarious newb mistakes
17:44:39 [dmp_panda]
id3 is a train wreck
17:44:47 [dmp_panda]
freedb is a train wreck
17:44:58 [dmp_panda]
music tagging is train wreck
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* dmp_panda now runs out of stones throws
17:45:18 [HairMetalAddict]
A train wreck is a train wreck!
17:45:27 [catgroove]
hi hma
17:45:38 [mudcrow]
HMA is a train wreck
17:46:04 [dmp_panda]
I'm thinking that since at least 5 years, and I'm running to avoid stones since the same time :D
17:46:04 [Freso]
In Soviet Russia, trains wreck you!
17:46:09 [HairMetalAddict]
* HairMetalAddict would like to remind the channel that duck hunting season is over. It is now panda and cat hunting season.
17:46:09 [catgroove]
ahaha i was waiting for that ë_ë
17:46:11 [catgroove]
:p
17:46:22 [catgroove]
what? all I said was 'hi'?
17:46:27 [HairMetalAddict]
:-P
17:46:46 [HairMetalAddict]
I'm just bored.
17:47:01 [catgroove]
then go hunt poodles then, or something
17:47:05 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda thanks HairMetalAddict, and once again vets his full-body-armor
17:47:08 [dmp_panda]
:p
17:47:10 [catgroove]
muz will go with you, he likes dogs :p
17:47:27 [dmp_panda]
where is nikki now? Did I say something?
17:47:32 [Muz]
Rawr
17:47:35 [Muz]
I NEED ALCOHOL
17:47:36 [Muz]
Errrm
17:47:42 [Muz]
In 10 minutes of course, when work is over
17:47:55 [HairMetalAddict]
* HairMetalAddict looks at the rottweiler lying at his feet and wonders how quick it could eat a cat
17:47:59 [catgroove]
^case point, why last.fm never gets anything fixed
17:48:03 [Muz]
Hah mo
17:48:08 [catgroove]
:)
17:48:10 [Muz]
Shuttup, I spent a lot of today fucking fixing things
17:48:14 [catgroove]
* catgroove smiles sweetly
17:48:16 [Muz]
Not happy about some of the stuff I encountered too
17:48:20 [catgroove]
ooh! what?
17:48:27 [mudcrow]
nikki`>library closing... panda, i guess she got chucked out
17:48:37 [Muz]
Stuff
17:48:45 [HairMetalAddict]
Stuff is evil!
17:49:16 [Muz]
Damn right
17:49:23 [catgroove]
hey hey, btw, muz, today a song i 'd tagged a long time ago played, I tagged it when it wasn't steamable, but today (or yesterday, whatever9 sir lord baltimor got in the database!
17:51:08 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda stares at Xchat: yeah 35 seconds lag, very cool of you to have a decent conversation
17:51:09 [Muz]
:)
17:51:09 [catgroove]
it made me very happy and surprised
17:51:09 [Muz]
* Muz goes elsewhere for a bit
17:51:09 [catgroove]
so now I'm going n*back* and tagging everything I didn't tag, because it wasn't streamable
17:51:26 [catgroove]
* catgroove ponders why the beta.last.fm shows an amazon link, that is a japanese amazon link, to a queen album?
17:51:33 [catgroove]
it shows me the price in yen to :D
17:53:59 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda tickles HairMetalAddict under the chin, coz it's a known fact all these long-haired-metal-thingies are just hidden cats :p
17:54:10 [catgroove]
:o
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* dmp_panda handles Muz a few remains of a bottle of rhum, with mango juice
17:55:43 [Muz]
:D:D:D
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* dmp_panda drops the mango-rhum into muz glass and chokes glasses
17:57:50 [catgroove]
* catgroove has parser error at panda's sentence
17:58:06 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda has parser error at panda's sentence
17:58:34 [dmp_panda]
parser has panda's error at glasses' sentece
17:58:44 [catgroove]
nei
18:00:54 [dmp_panda]
oh well... where is nikki now? I really wanted a serous discussion about unicode and the new proposed mpeg-x documentation format and now... all is left is my favorite cat, a Moose, and a buddy who really loves his hair too much :p
18:01:08 [Freso]
... the font's not monospaced!
18:01:20 [dmp_panda]
ha! I forgot the frigo
18:01:23 [catgroove]
....and a nutty dane
18:01:54 [Freso]
There's a one pixel offset up above with catgroove and dmp_panda's identical statements! :o
18:02:07 [Freso]
* Freso utterly confused
18:02:08 [dmp_panda]
on purpose *grin*
18:02:22 [Freso]
s/offset/difference/
18:02:23 [dmp_panda]
which doesn't mean you escape either of them
18:03:09 [Freso]
Oh well.
18:03:12 [Freso]
Hail Eris and all.
18:03:29 [catgroove]
hæ? who?
18:03:34 [Freso]
dmp_panda: So. What about Unicode?
18:03:38 [dmp_panda]
now, where is the hair nut? Deserted the battle field already hey?
18:03:44 [catgroove]
ÆØÅ æ„› ọñÿÿÿ
18:03:47 [catgroove]
Ã¥ faen
18:03:48 [dmp_panda]
Ho, frigo.
18:03:51 [Freso]
catgroove: Eris. My goddess.
18:03:52 [catgroove]
it worked i nmy thinger
18:03:56 [catgroove]
ÆØÅ
18:03:58 [dmp_panda]
I wanted to have a very serious discussion
18:03:59 [catgroove]
æ„›
18:04:00 [dmp_panda]
about collation
18:04:01 [catgroove]
ọñÿÿÿ
18:04:06 [catgroove]
it doesn't like ọñÿÿÿ
18:04:08 [Freso]
dmp_panda: Collation?
18:04:09 [dmp_panda]
Unicode collation that is
18:04:14 [catgroove]
damn
18:04:20 [dmp_panda]
again :D
18:04:22 [catgroove]
ç then?
18:04:29 [dmp_panda]
that's all :)
18:04:39 [catgroove]
what is collation?
18:04:41 [dmp_panda]
Let discuss unicode collation
18:05:01 [catgroove]
ọñÿÿÿ
18:05:03 [catgroove]
damn
18:05:07 [mudcrow]
i would discuss it if i knew what it was
18:05:15 [catgroove]
yes ,what is collation?
18:05:15 [dmp_panda]
a way to order things in a thingie way
18:05:24 [catgroove]
do you umean search?
18:05:31 [ruaok]
* ruaok runs off to the office
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18:05:32 [dmp_panda]
notice how I answered you before you asked the question
18:05:38 [dmp_panda]
that's the power of collation :p
18:06:10 [catgroove]
no ,that's the power of bogus answers
18:06:25 [dmp_panda]
or bogus questions?
18:06:27 [dmp_panda]
:p
18:06:40 [catgroove]
this is'nt jeopardy, buddy
18:06:50 [Freso]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_collation_algorithm
18:07:34 [Freso]
catgroove: That wasn't form as a question.
18:07:38 [Freso]
*formed
18:07:54 [dmp_panda]
Unicode collation is an algorithm to honor sorting in any (any on the duce) variety of languages to be sorted according to "locale" rules
18:07:57 [catgroove]
so? I said it *wasn't*. pay attention!
18:07:58 [catgroove]
:p
18:07:59 [dmp_panda]
crap
18:08:03 [catgroove]
oooh that
18:08:07 [catgroove]
ok now i understand
18:08:08 [dmp_panda]
Freso is faster than me
18:08:16 [dmp_panda]
at givin an url
18:08:41 [catgroove]
well i didn't read it because whenever I ope na wikiurl I'm stuck the next 5 hours reading wikipedia
18:08:53 [dmp_panda]
mm
18:09:03 [catgroove]
as for the thignie, well that would require a locale setting that people could set
18:09:07 [catgroove]
and the coding
18:09:08 [dmp_panda]
so well, I bugged everybody already with that...
18:09:27 [dmp_panda]
of course it requires coding
18:09:28 [Freso]
catgroove: Exactly. If you were to have it earned points, it should've been "Buddy, isn't this Jeopardy?"
18:09:30 [Freso]
;)
18:09:36 [dmp_panda]
but it's not reallyhard
18:09:38 [dmp_panda]
and it rocks
18:09:41 [dmp_panda]
and it helps
18:09:47 [catgroove]
well actually nikki has brought it up ever so rarely, first time before you where here, (but aperantly maybr usign the musicbrainz site)
18:09:51 [dmp_panda]
even if you understand half of it
18:10:15 [catgroove]
I'd really like if æøå sorted the correct way
18:10:32 [catgroove]
and it woud l be groovey if jaoanese stuff sorted by their,, erh, sorty-thingy
18:10:41 [Freso]
dmp_panda: Anyway. I think I believe I know what it is and would be awesome if it could be implemented properly.
18:10:52 [dmp_panda]
geee. On my screen æøå looks like cat food :D
18:11:09 [Freso]
* Freso is all for more fine grained assignments of language and script
18:11:18 [dmp_panda]
Freso: it's 200 lines long to implement - maximum - !!!!
18:11:22 [catgroove]
but the thing is, you're going to get people that want things to sort according to where the artist ias from, or even skandinavian, moiry, AND korean/chines/japanese signs the way they are sorted
18:11:28 [Freso]
dmp_panda: I know.
18:11:44 [dmp_panda]
catgroove: collation doesn't solves all
18:11:45 [catgroove]
pand? you know the answer to it
18:11:49 [dmp_panda]
just some bits
18:11:55 [catgroove]
'insert patch here'
18:11:57 [catgroove]
:]
18:12:00 [dmp_panda]
:P
18:12:13 [Freso]
dmp_panda: I was involved with LJ's i18n for quite some time, and, eh. Some of the stuff is really out there.
18:12:17 [catgroove]
there is a mailinglist for internationale and unidcode stuffs
18:12:24 [catgroove]
its got one of those letternumber codes
18:12:28 [catgroove]
like l8tn or something
18:12:28 [Freso]
i18n
18:12:32 [catgroove]
yes!
18:12:33 [dmp_panda]
Freso: Oh! :) Interesting
18:12:41 [Freso]
i-nternationali[sz]atio-n
18:12:48 [catgroove]
it's dead, but not dead dead
18:13:00 [dmp_panda]
I really thought you were only some kind of frigo
18:13:03 [dmp_panda]
;)
18:13:06 [catgroove]
ynterbalvbla why there is a 8 I have no idea
18:13:26 [Freso]
catgroove: nternationalsatio is 18 characters.
18:13:28 [dmp_panda]
the number of letters ;)
18:13:37 [catgroove]
so why is it not i18tn then?
18:13:44 [catgroove]
iatten? rofl
18:13:56 [Freso]
canidae: internationalisatiotn?
18:13:57 [dmp_panda]
coz these people has too much time on their hands?
18:14:11 [catgroove]
panda: obvisuly
18:14:27 [catgroove]
freso: you're going nt oping him one of these days and he's going n to be all 'wtf?'
18:14:29 [Freso]
dmp_panda: Anyway. What *is* a 'frigo'? :x
18:14:35 [dmp_panda]
lol
18:14:39 [catgroove]
a freso spelling
18:14:41 [dmp_panda]
mmm...
18:14:48 [Freso]
catgroove: ?
18:15:01 [dmp_panda]
a "fridge" is the closest description :D
18:15:07 [catgroove]
you said 'canidae' not catgroove' again
18:15:10 [Freso]
Very well.
18:15:14 [catgroove]
mr freeze
18:15:22 [Freso]
catgroove: Ack! *grumbles*
18:15:26 [Freso]
(Sorry.)
18:15:31 [catgroove]
:)
18:16:10 [dmp_panda]
so now, really, nikki unplugged router again right?
18:16:24 [catgroove]
she's at school. oxeford no less, leave her alone :p
18:16:34 [catgroove]
I meant to type oxford as oxeford too
18:16:42 [catgroove]
erh.. cause oxen
18:16:52 [dmp_panda]
ho crap. Once I had the occasion to meet a real unicode expert....
18:16:58 [catgroove]
* catgroove waves and babbles like the village idiot that he is
18:16:59 [Freso]
Isn't there, like, a UCA library for PHP which can be used? Do we have to write it ourself.
18:17:20 [Freso]
s/$\./\?/
18:17:22 [dmp_panda]
Freso: what kind of php do you plan to write/use?
18:17:44 [dmp_panda]
if you want crappy newbie stuff, it's easy to find :D
18:18:18 [Freso]
dmp_panda: At the moment? Well, perhaps improving a bit on Drupal's code base and some of the Drupal modules. Perhaps write a module or two of my own.
18:18:41 [dmp_panda]
so you don't need to *find* code, do you? :p
18:18:44 [Freso]
dmp_panda: No. Like, an offical Unicode Consortium sanctioned UCA library.
18:19:08 [Freso]
I'm not saying it's there, I'm asking if it is.
18:19:11 [dmp_panda]
I doubt they do condescend to implement stuff
18:19:15 [flamingcow]
what are you looking for the library to do?
18:19:39 [dmp_panda]
expecially in... potato hypertrophic pyjamas!
18:20:21 [dmp_panda]
sorry flamingcow :P you were about to say something interesting
18:20:21 [flamingcow]
mbstring handles string operations on encoded multi-strings
18:20:26 [flamingcow]
and is built in for most people
18:21:01 [dmp_panda]
although it sucks (just a panda opinion that don't need answers)
18:21:52 [flamingcow]
if you want non-suck, i suggest you find a language other than php :-P
18:22:00 [flamingcow]
by php standards, it's actually rather nice
18:22:26 [Freso]
Yes! Let's switch to Python! :D
18:22:38 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda now pats flamingcow, while on the other hand he write some php socket code to nuke falmingcow box
18:23:01 [dmp_panda]
ho well..
18:23:12 [dmp_panda]
even that I mistook to spell write... :/
18:23:39 [dmp_panda]
* dmp_panda runs out now!!! phone call!!! see ya people :)
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18:53:48 [Freso]
Wow. This radio is fond of the Pogues: http://www.last.fm/user/Freso/
19:01:11 [catgroove]
I knew it would happen! the last.fm search always crashes opera
19:01:15 [catgroove]
I mean *always*
19:01:25 [Freso]
:/
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19:32:12 [canidae]
meh, i seem to have this problem in several channels, people saying "canidae" instead of something else :s
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freso: see? I told you!
19:37:35 [Freso]
canidae: Sorry. :x
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19:54:55 [mudcrow]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5096093 can I have some votes please. All these multiple spellings of the same name are driving me mad(der)
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!seen ruaok
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I saw ruaok 1 hour 51 minutes and 5 seconds ago, quitting the server with message: "Waga waga klepto!"
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19:57:33 [ruaok]
bah.
19:57:37 [ruaok]
* ruaok <== dumbass
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* ruaok starts looking for a new scooter battery
19:57:49 [Freso]
:P
19:58:11 [Freso]
keschte: Try again. ;)
19:58:13 [mudcrow]
did you use your psychic power then keschte?
19:58:14 [keschte]
what a coincidence
19:58:18 [keschte]
:)
19:58:38 [keschte]
1hr 50 minutes drive to work. quite a detour? hehe
19:58:42 [ruaok]
uh oh. everything ok?
19:58:51 [ruaok]
ya, scooter battery.
19:58:59 [ruaok]
then I forgot I had lunch with a friend.
19:59:05 [ruaok]
at least I got sushi out of it.
19:59:05 [keschte]
i was just looking for you... [21:56] keschte: !seen ruaok
19:59:09 [keschte]
:-)
19:59:20 [keschte]
mjam, sushi
19:59:25 [ruaok]
* ruaok nods
19:59:35 [ruaok]
this is some of the best sushi in the state too.
20:01:17 [keschte]
at first i couldn't understand freddy planning another trip... but now :)
20:01:37 [Freso]
Oh well. Upgrading Java made MusicMagicMixer stop working. :/
20:02:19 [ruaok]
keschte: where is freddy going?
20:02:58 [keschte]
SF/LV for 10 days. but then he got drafted for a bodyleasing like i was...
20:03:21 [ruaok]
ah.
20:03:24 [keschte]
now its high season again, and flights are much more expensive
20:03:31 [ruaok]
you're done whoring yourself out again.
20:03:35 [ruaok]
?
20:03:55 [keschte]
well, actually its really easylife there :)
20:04:06 [keschte]
so, i'm quite well settled until 12/2006
20:05:04 [ruaok]
unless a london pub evening opens up
20:05:05 [ruaok]
:-)
20:05:26 [keschte]
sometimes, i work hard. sometimes, i spend a few minutes on more important stuff like mb ;)
20:06:04 [keschte]
the .ch landesverteidigung is in good hands :P
20:07:11 [keschte]
sooooo...
20:07:21 [catgroove]
hi ru
20:07:30 [keschte]
we haven't agreed on a timetable yet. what is left to be done?
20:08:07 [keschte]
* keschte thinks we will not have critical bugs.
20:08:19 [keschte]
therefore we shouldn't wait much longer
20:09:49 [keschte]
* keschte waits ;)
20:11:03 [ruaok]
catgroove: hi
20:11:22 [ruaok]
keschte: well, like I said... I can have all my changes done this week.
20:11:43 [ruaok]
we could do it sunday, but I think sunday after this one gives us a little more breathing room.
20:12:28 [Nyght]
!weather 80136
20:12:35 [BrainzBot]
Strasburg, CO (80136): 88°F / 31.1°C, Partly Cloudy
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20:22:20 [keschte_]
carp!
20:23:04 [Nyght]
wb keschte
20:23:10 [catgroove]
koi?
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20:23:15 [keschte_]
hi
20:23:18 [catgroove]
hai
20:23:24 [catgroove]
* catgroove chuckles
20:23:30 [catgroove]
hai = norwegian for shark
20:23:34 [keschte_]
my comp dies (=freezes) on me regularly
20:23:39 [catgroove]
:(
20:23:50 [keschte_]
some hardware malfunction i assume
20:23:57 [catgroove]
icky
20:24:32 [ruaok]
keschte: is it hot?
20:24:39 [ruaok]
try taking the cover off the machine...
20:25:19 [keschte_]
ruaok: for the timetable, you have the say of course. another week is bearable :)
20:25:23 [keschte_]
ruaok: i have
20:25:50 [ruaok]
keschte: its actually more your call.
20:25:51 [keschte_]
its no hot, unfortunately, not even the insane gfx card i once bought
20:26:14 [ruaok]
what if we aim to get all the changes done by sunday and then ask for one last push?
20:26:23 [ruaok]
then release a week after that?
20:26:29 [ruaok]
push == more testing.
20:26:37 [ruaok]
I think I would be comfortable with that.
20:26:59 [ruaok]
* ruaok goes to dismantle the scooter battery
20:27:08 [catgroove]
* catgroove plays some music
20:27:10 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♪ Black Sabbath - Paranoid (last.fm) (0:0-1) ♪
20:27:13 [keschte_]
i most of the people who read the ML/Blog and like to test have done it
20:27:16 [keschte_]
+think
20:27:38 [catgroove]
tell them that if they don't test it they can't complain later
20:27:45 [catgroove]
:)
20:27:49 [keschte_]
therefore, i think it would be worth a try to display the box i've sent you on the main server
20:29:32 [catgroove]
eehhhhhh
20:29:34 [catgroove]
cute http://www.last.fm/music/Accept
20:29:45 [catgroove]
'track 4 track 2 track 5 track 1' ?
20:29:48 [catgroove]
:o
20:31:45 [Freso]
* Freso hasn't tested, but is still new
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we new nebie teasters
20:32:12 [catgroove]
donm't worry about breakign some thing. that's what we need you uto do :p
20:33:39 [Nyght]
http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5052774 catgroove.. something you might want to take a look at. ;)
20:33:46 [ruaok]
keschte_: yes, I will add that box in just a second.
20:33:46 [catgroove]
i na bit
20:38:07 [Freso]
catgroove: I'm not new to testing. :)
20:38:14 [keschte_]
ruaok: /comp/header such that it shows on all pages :)
20:38:33 [Freso]
(Running Gentoo == Testing, testing, testing and testing some more.)
20:39:24 [Freso]
catgroove: I *am* new to MB however, so I do not yet have enough knowledge and feel for where and how to test, what's to test, etc.
20:39:55 [Freso]
catgroove: I know the test server is test.mb.o, but... I have no idea what's been worked on and thus what needs to be tested.
20:40:08 [keschte_]
if you are able to do the things you do, then that's good to hear
20:40:28 [keschte_]
you'll see, what has been worked on.
20:40:38 [Freso]
catgroove: Hence, right now, I'm turning my attention towards adding information on the [Danish] [folk] music I can add information on.
20:40:41 [keschte_]
and then there is the blog post, which has pointers to changelogs, closed bugs etc.
20:41:46 [Freso]
keschte_: It's all fine and dandy you're telling me this, but, being told that they exist doesn't mean I'll be in any more luck of happening upon them than I've been until now.
20:42:02 [catgroove]
freso: but that's my point, since you *are* new to mb, you would see things i n the test that we would overlook, since we aren't new tro mb
20:42:05 [keschte_]
whatever
20:42:41 [catgroove]
nyght: you're rightI mixed it up with an itunes link, but what is this archive thing?
20:42:58 [Freso]
keschte_: If you say so. I'm not trying to be rude, simply stating how it is at this very moment. :)
20:43:05 [catgroove]
afaik archive.org doesn't store files. does it?
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20:44:08 [Nyght]
I think that's the same.. well, let me double check it myself.
20:44:37 [catgroove]
thanks
20:44:39 [Nyght]
http://www.archive.org/details/rolla2006-06-11.WNHU.FLAC
20:44:44 [catgroove]
changign to abst for now
20:44:51 [Nyght]
it seems to be a place that does allow downloads, I've seen it before
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20:49:17 [catgroove]
lol http://www.last.fm/music/Return/_/This+Panda+Has+Claws
20:50:26 [Kerensky97]
:) Al Gore was right. http://image58.webshots.com/58/2/79/46/2431279460065331594IELVic_ph.jpg
20:50:37 [ruaok]
keschte_: I think you were kidding about adding the blurb to comp/header, but I think it makes sense. :-)
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I'll leave it there until people complain about it. :-)
20:53:23 [Shepard]
people in the US doubt the global warming theory? lol!
20:53:59 [catgroove]
muzping?
20:56:18 [Freso]
Shepard: People all over question several of them.
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20:56:47 [catgroove]
well global warming means iceage here so..
20:56:49 [Shepard]
ruaok: I like the banner
20:56:58 [mudcrow]
agrees with mo on that
20:57:53 [catgroove]
we already have the weird sudden torrential rainforrest like downpurs that last 4 minutes but rain more than seattel i na year. except its cold not hot like the amazon
20:58:13 [catgroove]
and instead of drye season we have winter
20:58:27 [ruaok]
Shepard: thanks keschte_
20:58:27 [Kerensky97]
my co-workers are debating global warming now because of that picture.
20:58:35 [Kerensky97]
They think there's no such thing.
20:58:41 [ruaok]
I gotta agree -- its a good way to get people's attention.
20:58:43 [catgroove]
o.O
20:58:53 [catgroove]
kerensky: what country?
20:58:55 [Kerensky97]
"It's just a pattern"
20:58:57 [Kerensky97]
US
20:59:01 [catgroove]
...
20:59:04 [catgroove]
figures
20:59:05 [catgroove]
poor you
20:59:19 [Kerensky97]
Well I live in the most conservative state of the nation.
20:59:25 [Kerensky97]
It's expected.
20:59:25 [catgroove]
D:
20:59:38 [catgroove]
* catgroove holds his tounge
20:59:41 [Kerensky97]
hence why I want to move.
20:59:55 [catgroove]
dakarkerensky
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21:00:41 [Rondom]
hello
21:00:51 [mudcrow]
hi
21:01:09 [Shepard]
hi
21:01:18 [catgroove]
bah
21:01:20 [catgroove]
:)
21:01:55 [Nyght]
It's not so much a factor of belief, it's more it isn't comfortable to consider changing their bad habits, so better to refute it.
21:02:01 [mudcrow]
http://musicbrainz.org/album/1702b3d2-1d77-4d21-a75e-d745785aceb2.html how could you think that that language is German?
21:02:04 [catgroove]
dingbeth
21:02:35 [Rondom]
isnt't German at all!
21:02:40 [Rondom]
<== German
21:02:41 [Nyght]
* Nyght shakes head at mudcrow
21:02:45 [Nyght]
no clue mudcrow
21:02:53 [Shepard]
* Shepard can read that!!!
21:02:56 [Shepard]
kidding...
21:03:09 [catgroove]
errhh. its hindi or something
21:03:12 [Nyght]
* Nyght cant'' read that, but does recognize German most of the time!
21:03:16 [Shepard]
Rondom: noch so einer :)
21:03:24 [mudcrow]
it is Hindi
21:03:28 [catgroove]
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
21:03:40 [catgroove]
LOL there is a servernotice thing
21:03:43 [catgroove]
XD
21:03:59 [catgroove]
its sure going nt oget peopels attention!
21:04:00 [Shepard]
haha mo found the banner
21:04:01 [catgroove]
whoot
21:04:16 [Nyght]
I like it too, and yep, it got my attentio
21:04:28 [catgroove]
it's completely annoying but I have no problems with it, nbecause I agree with doing anything to grab peopels attention
21:04:28 [ruaok]
Russss: ping!
21:04:29 [Rondom]
if I have a title called "foo/bar" on a disc it should be entered as "foo/bar" into musicbrainz, righT?
21:04:51 [catgroove]
if that's a name and not two albums /tracks i noen, yes
21:04:54 [catgroove]
in one
21:04:58 [Rondom]
...becasue the title doesn't consist of two part
21:05:07 [Rondom]
ok
21:05:11 [catgroove]
if its two in one, please foo / bar
21:05:49 [catgroove]
is it two albums in one?
21:05:57 [Rondom]
thx, catgroove that's what I thought. I was a bit confused because you are supposed to put spaces arround the slash, if the track consists of two parts
21:05:57 [catgroove]
or is the album called foo/bar
21:06:21 [Nyght]
You know on that picture they should have 2000 and nothing hanging there on the line.
21:06:21 [Rondom]
no the track
21:06:31 [catgroove]
yes. but that is *because* one wants to distignify from when tracks/albums have titles with / i nthme
21:06:42 [catgroove]
Nyght: agree!
21:06:57 [Rondom]
what
21:07:13 [catgroove]
rondom: some pictuer, diffenrt topic
21:07:32 [Rondom]
catgroove: accidentally hit the enter key
21:08:14 [Shepard]
Nyght: any idea for the next step on the project type thing?
21:08:42 [Rondom]
what's the rule for performers. I've seen a CD with performers being in brackets. As far as I rememeber this is against the rules, isn't it? What's the rule then?
21:09:06 [Shepard]
you can link performers with advanced relationships
21:09:42 [Rondom]
track-wise? cool!
21:09:53 [Nyght]
So far it seems totally accepted, and while you came up with the best lay out, I feel that should be the meat of the RFC on style. Of course, That's not simple for me, since I feel I'm "stealing" your work and presenting it.
21:10:16 [Rondom]
Well, the only problem is that taggers don't have support for this although vorbiscomments allow entering info about ht eperforme
21:10:22 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♪ Whitesnake - Love Hunter (last.fm) (0:0-1) ♪
21:10:34 [Shepard]
that's just a different way of saying "do the work, please!" :P
21:10:39 [Freso]
Rondom: So does ID3v2.
21:10:45 [catgroove]
rondom: the newest thing i npicard is taggerscript, where that will l be possible
21:11:17 [Nyght]
Nope, it's just stating I'm willing to do it, but are you going to feel like I'm snaking your idea? I at least haven't seen any dissension of the thought/idea
21:11:41 [Rondom]
catgroove: cool, don't know what's going on in the commiunity. I'm pretty new to editing the database myself
21:11:44 [ruaok]
ok, here is a really tough one. Can you spot why the compliations are not being listed in the short artist list?
21:11:45 [ruaok]
push @shortlist, $album if ($type == &Album::ALBUM_ATTR_ALBUM ||
21:11:45 [ruaok]
$type == &Album::ALBUM_ATTR_EP ||
21:11:45 [ruaok]
# $type == &Album::ALBUM_ATTR_COMPILATION ||
21:11:46 [ruaok]
$type == &Album::ALBUM_ATTR_SINGLE);
21:11:52 [Nyght]
but, if you want to take it over, I wont complain either... I think Don will accept it coming from you better than he will from me. :S
21:11:56 [ruaok]
* ruaok <=== dumbass again!
21:12:05 [Shepard]
beth: no, surely not, if you want so, go ahead. it were just my initial ideas, do with them what you want :)
21:12:06 [Freso]
ruaok: :)
21:12:29 [Freso]
ruaok: I take it you don't actually need an answer? :p
21:12:31 [Nyght]
Is COMPILATION supposed to be COMPILATIONS?
21:12:38 [Freso]
Nyght: No.
21:12:48 [Freso]
Nyght: Look at first character on the line.
21:12:50 [catgroove]
there's a # thingy?
21:12:54 [catgroove]
<-- clueless
21:12:59 [Freso]
catgroove: Ding!
21:13:04 [catgroove]
:o
21:13:07 [Nyght]
The # sign?
21:13:07 [Freso]
catgroove: That marks the rest of the line as a comment. :)
21:13:08 [catgroove]
I was right
21:13:10 [catgroove]
wow
21:13:13 [Nyght]
ah yerah. :D
21:13:21 [Freso]
Hence it's not being parsed.
21:13:26 [catgroove]
and I don't even know this stuff
21:13:28 [Nyght]
okay.. anyways, Shep, okay I'll reformat the whole thing and send it to style then.
21:13:32 [Shepard]
beth: actually I don't think don will accept from me better than from he. I guess the opposite is the case :P
21:13:33 [catgroove]
cool
21:13:48 [Shepard]
*than from you
21:13:49 [ruaok]
Freso: yah, I'm good without an answer on that. :)
21:13:55 [catgroove]
I was just looking for some thing i n the 'compliation' line that didn't fit the style of the others
21:13:58 [Nyght]
I knew what ya meant. :)
21:15:11 [Nyght]
Yeah it's like a REM, only without all that writing.. okay, off to snag mailing list stuff and send to style with a RFC
21:15:19 [Shepard]
and you'll still have my full support in the discussions. I think we need some more examples now
21:16:14 [ruaok]
ok, thats fixed and live.
21:16:20 [ruaok]
I hope the other bugs will be as simple.
21:16:25 [catgroove]
yay
21:16:44 [catgroove]
now i don't have to load the large list to view the compilations on uriah Heep's page
21:19:29 [Rondom]
I'm pretty sure this is answered in the wiki, but how are artists/performers like "Foo Bar and Orchestra" handled? I mean the orchestra itself doesn't have a name or it's the "Foo Bar Orchestra" so the track is performed by "Foo BAr and Foo Bar Orchestra"???
21:19:45 [Nyght]
I will add the comment I never sent out as well... I can give tons of examples I imagine.. there's a ton in the db already.
21:19:54 [Freso]
Rondom: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SortNameStyle
21:19:59 [catgroove]
maybe if you uggave some more inf othan a gerneal idea. links?
21:20:11 [Rondom]
http://musicbrainz.org/album/a0670f90-0b3e-4802-9f6e-2920d62edc2f.html
21:20:20 [catgroove]
it depends o n the artist, to be honest
21:20:26 [Rondom]
^ this is the cd I'm talking about
21:20:41 [Shepard]
Nyght: well, I want people to show examples which conflict with my AR idea, the strange border cases ;)
21:20:51 [Rondom]
the question was more of a general nature, though. it wasn#t directly related to this cd
21:21:03 [Nyght]
keschte, how much coding would the proposed "group type" Project take, and to as well be able to qualify dates to it, and from group?
21:21:05 [Freso]
Rondom: Again, http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SortNameStyle :)
21:21:08 [catgroove]
and it depends o n the artist, there is no uniform answer
21:21:15 [Rondom]
Freso: yeah, read it
21:21:17 [catgroove]
it depends if its jazz, classical, rock ,etc
21:21:22 [Nyght]
* Nyght shrugs
21:21:27 [Nyght]
that's a bunch harder to do Shep. :D
21:21:33 [catgroove]
freso. that's not really what we're talking nabouti
21:21:54 [catgroove]
if it should be something & orcestra or somethings orcestra, etc
21:22:13 [Freso]
catgroove: Oh. Right. Bugger. >_<
21:22:13 [catgroove]
and I'm saying, it depends o n the artist(s)
21:22:16 [catgroove]
:)
21:22:17 [Freso]
* Freso should just go to bed
21:22:26 [catgroove]
hmm early :p
21:23:10 [mudcrow]
you trying to fix that Kurt Weill album rondom? I had a look at that before and gave up
21:23:18 [Rondom]
catgroove: I'll just edit these tracks the way I think using all information I can find and let a mod make this decission
21:23:27 [Rondom]
mudcrow: yes
21:24:02 [mudcrow]
good luck mate
21:24:17 [teleGUISE]
sorry but that freakin !New Server Release Box is IRRITATING!
21:24:28 [catgroove]
tele: sush
21:24:29 [Shepard]
shut up :P
21:24:30 [Rondom]
mudcrow: why did you give up? I corrected some typos and replaced the letters a, o and u with the umlauts, if necessary
21:24:47 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♪ Alice Cooper - Snakebite (last.fm) (0:0-1) ♪
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21:24:53 [Rondom]
mudcrow: what did you want to change
21:24:56 [teleGUISE]
i know there is, i tested, i broke it, the fix it... i go break it again ;)
21:25:09 [teleGUISE]
tyeh fix
21:25:14 [teleGUISE]
maybe even they
21:26:24 [Shepard]
then go and break it but shut up :P
21:26:30 [mudcrow]
I wasn't trying to fix anything in particular, I was just trying to make sense of all those releases of that album that we have in the db
21:26:39 [teleGUISE]
nah...more fun, time to work on making adblock remove the bastard
21:27:07 [catgroove]
bitch bitch, moan moan, complain complain :p
21:28:40 [teleGUISE]
could have at least made it fit correctly.. geesh.. lets cut off the end of the z
21:29:00 [catgroove]
ahham: works for me, in Opera
21:29:02 [catgroove]
:DD
21:29:08 [catgroove]
hihi
21:29:34 [teleGUISE]
i doubt it mo it doesnt work in ie either... the top part of the z is overwritten by a fix pixels
21:29:35 [mudcrow]
buy a bigger moniter tele :p
21:29:50 [catgroove]
erh.. you are calling me a liar or what?
21:30:03 [catgroove]
im' telling you it *is* working in opera
21:30:22 [Shepard]
he called me a liar earlier today, too :P
21:30:25 [catgroove]
:o
21:30:26 [teleGUISE]
yep.. i am prove it
21:30:35 [catgroove]
what a bastard that telefjomp is :p
21:30:38 [teleGUISE]
wheres your snap shot
21:31:03 [catgroove]
why would I say it works if it doesn't? I a m the first to complain if there is a problem
21:31:18 [teleGUISE]
cuz you designed the irritating box :P
21:31:25 [catgroove]
I what?
21:31:32 [catgroove]
I had nothing to do with the damn thing
21:31:39 [catgroove]
dust
21:31:54 [teleGUISE]
mudcrow: i think im going to use it on a smaller monitor so the irritating box is smaller :)
21:31:59 [Freso]
teleGUISE: What is it your saying isn't working?
21:32:00 [Shepard]
it's you !!!
21:32:15 [Shepard]
all your boxes are belong to us...
21:32:18 [teleGUISE]
i didnt say anything wasn't working
21:32:41 [Rondom]
mudcrow: only found one, will look for the others. the release date is also very confusing. the label of the cd was printed before 1995 because it doesn't use the new zipcodes introudced in Germany, but the homepage of the label say it has been released in 2000 or so :roll:
21:32:47 [mudcrow]
i found scrolling down a little completley removed the box :p
21:33:14 [ruaok]
* ruaok looked at the new showartist.html and almost faints.
21:33:20 [ruaok]
*fainted
21:33:23 [catgroove]
oh?
21:33:35 [ruaok]
its not there anymore. a little shock at first. :)
21:33:40 [catgroove]
:OOOOo
21:34:04 [catgroove]
* catgroove gasps
21:34:11 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♪ Judas Priest - Victim of Changes (last.fm) (0:0-1) ♪
21:34:17 [catgroove]
radio is happy today
21:34:28 [catgroove]
tele: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/nasasie/teledust.png
21:34:50 [catgroove]
it even doesn't obstruct the addnote/aprove links
21:34:53 [Shepard]
two of them! wtf!
21:35:01 [catgroove]
well lthats caouse its an iframe
21:35:06 [catgroove]
I susspectedas much
21:35:16 [catgroove]
they're not i n the way, I don't mind them
21:35:34 [Nyght]
Okay. so I chose the truly "easy" way to present it on Style. :D
21:35:38 [catgroove]
they're temporary and will be a good aid to get the message acros
21:35:51 [catgroove]
i'd say 'use this for very important messages i n the future also'
21:36:40 [catgroove]
also I prove that opera is kewl and supperior to everything, once given non-borked coded pages to work with i n the first place
21:36:59 [Nyght]
ugh,. it broke the URLs
21:37:09 [catgroove]
what did nyght?
21:37:17 [Shepard]
yeah like keschte's mails :)
21:37:22 [Shepard]
but rest is fine hehe
21:37:32 [catgroove]
tele: are you being quet and coverign in defeat? :)
21:37:48 [Shepard]
mo: her latest mail, the URLs have a line-break in 'em :(
21:37:59 [catgroove]
aww
21:38:04 [catgroove]
I hate when that happens to me
21:38:09 [Freso]
catgroove: Where does the iframe come from?
21:38:32 [Nyght]
catgroove http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2006-June/003256.html
21:38:49 [catgroove]
once upon a time everybody had them, then they where turned of because soemnewbies voted randomly no. then I nagged and bribed ruaok with chocoalte to get them back
21:38:57 [catgroove]
as an option for automods
21:38:59 [teleGUISE]
catgroove: no i modified settings so box is not as irritating
21:39:12 [catgroove]
you uninstalled IE?
21:39:13 [catgroove]
':D
21:39:53 [Nyght]
ah well, it's just ml being added... and if anyone on style doesn't know how to dig in the archives/ :D
21:39:58 [Nyght]
well, we're in trouble. :D
21:40:13 [catgroove]
I completely agree, but you know that
21:40:29 [Freso]
Heh.
21:40:32 [catgroove]
I agreed with the ddition of a prioject type before you came onboard, mrs nyght :)
21:40:42 [Freso]
GMail ignores the line breaks. :)
21:40:46 [catgroove]
(onboard mb that is9
21:40:59 [Nyght]
Yep. :) thanks catgroove, maybe you can make another rare appearance on the mailing list. :)
21:41:08 [ruaok]
Shepard: OT: Deutschland v. Argentinien. Was meinst du?
21:41:14 [catgroove]
erh... okda, siden det er du og alting
21:41:25 [Nyght]
LOL Yeah, well I'm stating a lot of "old stuff" hehe
21:41:38 [Shepard]
ruaok: wir gewinnen :)
21:41:57 [catgroove]
* catgroove dreads his email
21:42:14 [ruaok]
im ernst, oder scherzt du nur?
21:42:28 [Shepard]
voller ernst
21:42:36 [ruaok]
cool.
21:42:38 [teleGUISE]
gmail blah blah thats all i hear about is gmail :)
21:42:45 [catgroove]
gmail blah
21:42:49 [ruaok]
bis jetzt hab ich noch nicht richtig aufgepasst.
21:42:56 [catgroove]
ugh..... 109 emails
21:43:01 [ruaok]
moechte aber gern das naeschte spiel sehen.
21:43:04 [ruaok]
catgroove: only?
21:43:14 [catgroove]
no, new
21:43:15 [ruaok]
I'll do you 109 if you do my 500. :-)
21:43:17 [teleGUISE]
but if they were 109 gmails you would be happier ;)
21:43:30 [catgroove]
I have 1356 unread messages
21:43:40 [catgroove]
i n the *inbox*
21:43:50 [catgroove]
then another houbdred, mails, mailinglists, wikithings
21:43:58 [Shepard]
ruaok: naja, bis auf brasilien haben alle favoriten bisher mit kleineren mannschaften probleme gehabt. und wir sind durch alle vier spiele ohne probleme durchgegangen
21:44:21 [Shepard]
großer heimvorteil halt
21:44:29 [catgroove]
159 auto, 45 bug, 94 expert, 9 i18n, 209 style, 109 sub, 94 wiki
21:44:42 [catgroove]
I want to delete them all but I can't
21:44:50 [catgroove]
what if i delete something important
21:45:13 [ruaok]
Shepard: yup.
21:45:29 [ruaok]
mal sehen dann, nit war?
21:45:36 [teleGUISE]
catgroove: sure you can... if you havent answered by now you think they are still expecting a response
21:46:02 [ruaok]
keschte_: backporting the album/single/ep limiting stuff is... FUN!
21:46:16 [Shepard]
also wenn wir gewinnen, das nächste spiel nach argentinien dürfte weniger schwierig werden
21:46:49 [Freso]
catgroove: That's why I've moved all mailling lists etc. to gmail and only use freso-dot-dk for personal mail..
21:47:31 [ruaok]
Shepard: genau mein denken.
21:47:41 [ruaok]
bis wir brazilien spielen. :)
21:47:49 [ruaok]
wie letztes mal. heh.
21:48:15 [teleGUISE]
how are we going to learn german if we don't have little subtitles with the translation ;)?
21:48:27 [catgroove]
they don't want us to understand
21:48:33 [ruaok]
I'll translate:
21:48:44 [ruaok]
> That teleGUISE sure is a bastard, no?
21:48:50 [catgroove]
* catgroove is reminded of the idea that when the parents wanted to talk so the kids couldnt understand, they'd talk english
21:48:51 [ruaok]
> Yup, I can't wait for him to leave
21:48:59 [catgroove]
of course since I knew english since 3 it didn't work on me
21:49:01 [ruaok]
> Good luck, he is pesky and will stick around
21:49:12 [catgroove]
pfffgtt
21:49:14 [Shepard]
exactly that
21:49:17 [teleGUISE]
LOL thats exactly what altavista translate said!
21:49:17 [ruaok]
catgroove: me too.
21:49:22 [ruaok]
switched to english.
21:49:27 [Freso]
* Freso ist für argentina ge-heppen <- pseudo-german
21:49:32 [ruaok]
then once we started learning they switched to french.
21:49:36 [ruaok]
then to spanish.
21:49:59 [ruaok]
* ruaok slaps Freso with a large frozen soccer ball
21:50:09 [Freso]
ruaok: :D
21:50:50 [Shepard]
mo: so you want me to translate talk about football?
21:50:51 [mudcrow]
its FOOTball not bloody soccer. you kick it with your foot hence the name :p
21:50:55 [Freso]
* Freso hast eine bisschen blöte [wrong word, but, eh] punkt für Südamerika
21:51:02 [Freso]
*ein bitte
21:51:05 [Freso]
Bah.
21:51:10 [Freso]
Bloody German.
21:51:11 [catgroove]
shep: absolutely not, I knew that's what you where talking nabout
21:51:20 [Shepard]
I have no idea what you mean, Freso :D
21:51:34 [Kerensky97]
On the new test server, how do you get to votes for your subscribed artists?
21:51:40 [teleGUISE]
mudcrow: oh no now you started the edit spam ;)
21:51:52 [mudcrow]
blah
21:52:13 [teleGUISE]
and of course Nyght has to get in there with atleast 13comments to add to my box ;)
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21:52:15 [Freso]
Shepard: I'm better at reading (parsing, really) German than producing readable/parseable German
21:52:22 [Nyght]
* Nyght snickers
21:52:24 [Nyght]
bite me tele!
21:52:54 [teleGUISE]
wow! zout backed down... wooo hooo
21:53:03 [Shepard]
Freso: better not try to parse ruaok's German, it's not much better than yours :P
21:53:24 [teleGUISE]
we're home free.........
21:53:35 [mudcrow]
i've always found zout to be reasonable
21:53:40 [Nyght]
* Nyght dances and giggles
21:53:58 [Nyght]
same here
21:54:43 [Freso]
Shepard: Anyway, the last thing meant (or was meant to mean) that I have a soft spot for Southern America
21:55:06 [Freso]
Shepard: My ideal final final would be Brazil-Argentina or Brazil-Portugal
21:55:39 [teleGUISE]
crap... i need to find an open AR edit and there is obsolutely no easy to way to do it
21:55:46 [teleGUISE]
for a VA that is
21:55:48 [mudcrow]
not Portugal please
21:56:17 [Freso]
mudcrow: Yes, Portugal, please. >:|
21:56:42 [Freso]
* Freso = part Portuguese
21:57:05 [Nyght]
mo, thanks for pointing out my quick mixup there!
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21:57:32 [Freso]
Shepard: How do you say 'soft' in German?
21:57:46 [teleGUISE]
oh yes there was cool!
21:57:47 [ruaok]
weichei, like Shepard
21:57:58 [Shepard]
weich, but that doesn't fit to what you want to say
21:58:07 [ruaok]
Shepard: thanks, I'm more than a little sensitive about my Germany skilz. You wanker.
21:58:15 [Shepard]
ruaok: pff, warmduscher :P
21:58:44 [Kerensky97]
ruaok: Is there a link that goes straight to subscribed artist votes on the new server?
21:58:55 [teleGUISE]
err... why is it still yellow
21:59:04 [ruaok]
Kerensky97: huh?
21:59:28 [ruaok]
I think you actually want to ask keschte that...
21:59:59 [Kerensky97]
Like this: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&artist_type=4&moderator_type=5&vote_cast=-2&orderby=asc&voter_type=0
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He's been gone for a while so I'll catch him some other time.
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22:02:43 [Rondom]
* Rondom is listening to Weltmeister by Die Toten Hosen from the album Nur zu Besuch: Unplugged im Wiener Burgtheater. (0:15/2:58)
22:03:28 [Rondom]
Shepard: wir werden weltmeister.... wir sind papst.... du bist deutschland....
22:03:46 [Shepard]
jup
22:03:51 [Shepard]
und wir sind waldmeister
22:04:52 [ruaok]
yum. waldmeister pudding
22:05:05 [keschte_]
summdidum.
22:05:06 [teleGUISE]
man i cant believe how recently people are so quick to respond with label & catalog info.... now only if it was a real field in the db... ehmmm ru kesh :)
22:05:08 [Rondom]
Shepard: naja, man kann ja mal träumen
22:05:16 [keschte_]
germans had an easy group ;)
22:05:23 [ruaok]
keschte_: yes
22:05:28 [Shepard]
Rondom: geschenk an n kumpel gestern war eine nachmache von dem plakat, stand drauf "Du bist Geburtstag" und "Wir sind Viertelfinale"
22:05:44 [Rondom]
Shepard: lol
22:06:30 [ruaok]
keschte_: nice check in message: "blubb boing?" :-)
22:06:36 [keschte_]
ruaok: you're having fun?
22:06:46 [keschte_]
hehe.
22:06:48 [ruaok]
I'm just whining. :-)
22:07:01 [ruaok]
the showartist fix will be done soon. one last page to do.
22:07:09 [ruaok]
but having to deal with cvs is.... so yesterday
22:07:21 [keschte_]
aye
22:07:27 [teleGUISE]
whining about the irritating banner i bet ;) hee hee haa haa
22:08:33 [teleGUISE]
keschte: where is my invite... i could get mail quicker from the post office at this point compared to excite
22:09:20 [keschte_]
now that you're asking ... :)
22:09:20 [ruaok]
* ruaok waits for the first mail about the banner
22:09:29 [keschte_]
* keschte_ likes it
22:09:41 [Rondom]
teleGUISE: excite still exists?
22:09:42 [keschte_]
its annoying enough that people will test to make it go away :P
22:09:52 [teleGUISE]
ru's obviously been ignoring my irc mail about the banner
22:09:59 [teleGUISE]
as is keschte..
22:10:12 [keschte_]
irc mail?
22:10:15 [teleGUISE]
it was annoying enough i modified the script in adblock to override it :)
22:10:22 [keschte_]
lol
22:10:55 [teleGUISE]
so it was ru! i thought it was all you keschte
22:11:57 [ruaok]
teleGUISE: keschte_ created it, I uploaded it. so yes.
22:12:00 [teleGUISE]
Rondom: not for long I think someone nuked their mail servers .. 2 days now and its absolutely stupid trying to get mail
22:12:34 [teleGUISE]
yeah i figured there was some swinglish in that banner not being all right ;)
22:12:46 [Rondom]
teleGUISE: is there anything cool about them? why don't you switch to somthing else?
22:12:46 [keschte_]
bah
22:13:27 [teleGUISE]
i have a few others.. it was just one ive used for MB forever thats all .. you know all about that change thing .. you hate to let go :P
22:13:37 [Rondom]
yes
22:14:04 [Rondom]
I'm even forwarding my spam, becuase I fear I could miss some important mails from my old email-adress
22:14:32 [teleGUISE]
they worked fine other than they bork the mail headers so crap gets out of sequence.. they add extra white space lines in return mail.. and ummm what else.. oh other than that they work great ;)
22:15:20 [Rondom]
teleGUISE: this is cool, they modify your mails? do you have smtp-access?
22:15:27 [Rondom]
I guess webmail
22:16:08 [teleGUISE]
i just dont see how they could possibly go 2days now and not either fix their backbone issues or their servers... it feels like every www excite user is clogged into 1 t-1 span.. i get spits of data then bog.. spits .. bog
22:17:07 [teleGUISE]
ohh.. it felt spunky i was able to check 2 emails without delay
22:17:11 [Rondom]
you are pretty..... "lucky"
22:17:23 [Rondom]
good night and thanks for answering my question
22:17:24 [Rondom]
s
22:17:38 [ruaok]
gute nacht, Rondom
22:17:39 [teleGUISE]
night random rondom
22:17:41 [Rondom]
* Rondom often hits the enter-key to soomn
22:17:49 [ruaok]
keschte_: show only changes checked in and live on test
22:18:10 [ruaok]
* ruaok considers doing some damage control on the lucene stuff
22:18:14 [ruaok]
just to shut teleGUISE up
22:18:17 [teleGUISE]
oh boy an invite.. now i wonder if ill be able to read it before Thursday :)
22:18:17 [ruaok]
:-)
22:18:34 [Rondom]
teleGUISE: that's where my nick comes from, but I hate being called Random because people can#t distinguish between an o adn an a
22:18:39 [teleGUISE]
hey.. i have been verrrrrrrrrrrrrry nice about ragging on you about lucene :P
22:19:01 [teleGUISE]
i even beat up others for doing so
22:19:05 [ruaok]
teleGUISE: yes, you have. and I have found my bonehead mistake for why the results are all borked up. :)
22:19:14 [Shepard]
n8 Rondom
22:19:37 [teleGUISE]
random: oh so random rondom was right ;)
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22:20:11 [catgroove]
atleast its an r not a c
22:20:13 [catgroove]
:)
22:20:22 [teleGUISE]
ruaok: COOL! see a little ragging and a little leave you alone time and you nailed it
22:20:51 [teleGUISE]
catgroove ;)
22:21:04 [teleGUISE]
random rondom with his candom condoms
22:21:35 [ruaok]
and pankakke a pan, rather than bu :-)
22:21:44 [Rondom]
teleGUISE: this is also something some people like joking about
22:22:00 [Rondom]
but I don't care about this one
22:22:34 [Shepard]
you should not care at all about tele's "jokes" :)
22:22:58 [catgroove]
Nyght: ;)
22:23:44 [catgroove]
0:D
22:23:52 [teleGUISE]
* teleGUISE wonder why ru is thinking about bukakke instead of lucene.. or maybe since he figure out the issue with lucene he will bukakke on it
22:24:00 [catgroove]
ew
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22:24:40 [teleGUISE]
ok quiet he's back
22:24:49 [teleGUISE]
:-).
22:24:50 [Rondom]
night / nacht (or "night/nacht" ;-) )
22:24:53 [catgroove]
and a good thing too, to stop your jokes
22:24:58 [Rondom]
Shepard: I don't care at all
22:24:59 [catgroove]
natta rondom1
22:25:00 [Freso]
"A random rooondom, from town to town..."
22:25:14 [Freso]
Oh well.
22:25:22 [Freso]
Sleep well Rondom - and the rest of ye too!
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22:25:38 [Shepard]
natta Freso
22:27:01 [Shepard]
"love&kiss zaphod" :D
22:27:14 [Freso]
Schlaf gut, Shepard. =)
22:27:28 [Shepard]
danke, du auch
22:28:00 [catgroove]
yeas something like that. only more manly.. n' stuff
22:28:38 [Freso]
Auf wiedersprechen, alles! *gehs*
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22:28:50 [keschte]
ruaok: you know Text::WikiFormat enough to help me out on this? http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/1649 possible cause http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/changeset/7477 ?
22:29:35 [ruaok]
* ruaok looks
22:30:02 [catgroove]
uff
22:30:04 [keschte]
but since it happens only on the GetShortText one, i'm looking in the wrong place
22:30:28 [catgroove]
did I mention how I like being able to see what the vote tally is i n the iframe? I really like that
22:30:33 [keschte]
GetShortText is complicated :|
22:30:36 [keschte]
http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/browser/mb_server/trunk/cgi-bin/MusicBrainz/Server/Annotation.pm?rev=7477#L604
22:30:43 [catgroove]
oohh
22:30:50 [catgroove]
http://test.musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=3930915 the info link
22:30:55 [catgroove]
again, I like
22:31:19 [catgroove]
may I ask something?
22:31:38 [catgroove]
is it possible to 'hide' the extrta track feats and arr?
22:32:09 [catgroove]
people are going to ask for that
22:32:28 [keschte]
possibly in a later version
22:32:33 [keschte]
we'll have to see what the reaction is
22:32:35 [catgroove]
to see the tracklist better. i,magine if a track has 18 covers for example
22:32:46 [keschte]
there are only 3 shown
22:32:51 [keschte]
like in the relationships box
22:32:53 [catgroove]
ok
22:33:13 [catgroove]
i'd still implement a 'hide' feature *now* so we wont get alot of balbue for 3 weeks
22:33:18 [catgroove]
baluba*
22:33:19 [ruaok]
keschte: is this a bug specific to this release or was it there before>
22:33:34 [keschte]
new bug
22:33:56 [keschte]
its related to the arguments handed in to Text::WikiFormat i assume
22:34:12 [keschte]
mo, see track #5 here: http://test.musicbrainz.org/album/1b3ce475-1250-4700-abd2-fd889dd6db8a.html
22:34:43 [teleGUISE]
by chance did we add any code to the AR url detection and acceptance?
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22:35:18 [catgroove]
and that is still 4 lines of text extra.. I'm just trying to think inbefpre hand so we are saved work later when the bucket load of people who are slow on the uptake complai nabout it ;)
22:35:36 [teleGUISE]
thats not on the test server i should have said
22:35:54 [keschte]
ruaok: it works on the main serva. http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=528909
22:36:18 [ruaok]
ah, ok...
22:36:24 [keschte]
mo: i don't worry a bit about that.
22:36:35 [keschte]
everybody will love that the ARs finally are shown.
22:36:36 [catgroove]
well I do
22:36:43 [keschte]
maybe they will even enter a couple more
22:36:47 [catgroove]
yea. all they love is to complain :)
22:37:06 [teleGUISE]
keschte: shouldnt imdb AR's have the www. added as per the discussion
22:37:07 [keschte]
teleGUISE: yes, luks added MySpace
22:37:20 [keschte]
yup. that might not have been updated
22:38:47 [teleGUISE]
hmmm hhttp can still be entered though :( - http://test.musicbrainz.org/show/release/relationships.html?releaseid=249072
22:38:50 [keschte]
ruaok: could it be that the text just got longer because it attempts to insert a title attribute to truncated links?
22:39:08 [ruaok]
* ruaok is totally befuddled
22:39:35 [keschte]
the ellipsis chars there is an indication that the url truncating is the bad boi
22:39:46 [keschte]
grumble
22:40:06 [keschte]
damn wiki annotations :)
22:40:21 [ruaok]
ya know....
22:40:38 [ruaok]
the code that shows the short text was never really adapted for use with wiki annotations.
22:40:48 [ruaok]
do we really need to have short annotations?
22:40:54 [ruaok]
why not show the full one always?
22:41:01 [keschte]
hehe, elegant solution.
22:41:09 [keschte]
i think this line is the problem:
22:41:10 [keschte]
http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/browser/mb_server/trunk/cgi-bin/MusicBrainz/Server/Annotation.pm?rev=7477#L651
22:41:18 [keschte]
it encodes the whole stuff again
22:42:24 [keschte]
* keschte thinks we show all..
22:42:34 [keschte]
its not encouraged anyhow to paste in whole biographies
22:42:38 [keschte]
or reviews
22:42:54 [keschte]
* keschte thinks we _could_ show all
22:43:25 [catgroove]
ruaok why not show the full one always? <-- I agree with this
22:43:32 [catgroove]
you ucant have to big annotations anyway
22:43:42 [teleGUISE]
just curious why we still don't show annotations when AR's are added, any reason?
22:43:55 [ruaok]
keschte: ding. its not for biographies or reviews.
22:43:56 [catgroove]
it borks up the replication, and its nosencial
22:44:00 [ruaok]
that comes later.
22:44:04 [catgroove]
annotations are for info, not about bios
22:44:22 [ruaok]
keschte: make it always show the full one. fuck it.
22:44:27 [catgroove]
for bios g to owikipedia/last.fm whathave you ,whathave we ar-URL links for?
22:44:28 [catgroove]
:)
22:44:29 [teleGUISE]
what mo? that didnt make sense
22:45:19 [catgroove]
basically I was agreeign with ru about dispalyign the full annotation
22:45:33 [teleGUISE]
w
22:45:50 [catgroove]
its really irritating that I type i nsoem liner infos or labeltext, and then the last lie nabout japan is hidden with a 'read more' thing
22:45:53 [catgroove]
w what?
22:46:08 [ruaok]
ok, now to fix the lucene issue, I need some help from all y'all.
22:46:11 [teleGUISE]
i dunno.. keyboard felt like typing
22:46:13 [catgroove]
yay
22:46:29 [catgroove]
testing lucene!
22:46:35 [ruaok]
right now, by default we search for the provided keywords in artist, sortname and alias fields.
22:46:42 [ruaok]
this is the nature of the problem.
22:47:01 [ruaok]
if this text occurs in all three fields, it ranks higher than those where it doesn't occur in all three fileds.
22:47:11 [catgroove]
aha
22:47:15 [ruaok]
so, searching for "jennifer" doesn't give you the artist "jennifer" as the first hit.
22:47:27 [teleGUISE]
he ru remembered jenni ;)
22:47:32 [catgroove]
it should thing that 'artist' field is cooler, or something
22:48:01 [ruaok]
so, the fix for this would be to boost the sortname and alias fields lower, so they don't really influence the search results.
22:48:10 [ruaok]
catgroove: ding./
22:48:34 [teleGUISE]
keschte: has anything been done to the language/script detection area ? or no expect it to act like it did
22:48:37 [ruaok]
problem is that I can't really modify the search terms, unless I parse them fully and that is stupid.
22:48:54 [ruaok]
so boosting the terms is not a simple thing.
22:49:05 [ruaok]
I can do that for the taglookup stuff, but not the searches.
22:49:10 [catgroove]
how goes the updatign it more often than once a day going?
22:49:16 [ruaok]
catgroove: it aint.
22:49:21 [catgroove]
:(
22:49:31 [ruaok]
so, the only option I can see is this:
22:49:38 [ruaok]
by default only search artist fields.
22:50:00 [ruaok]
then add two checkboxes underneath that let the user choose to search sortname and alias as well.
22:50:17 [ruaok]
so by default you get the results you expect.
22:50:26 [ruaok]
when you don't find what you need, you add more fields to search.
22:50:31 [teleGUISE]
are you seeing the "artist, sorname, alias" as 1 string, hence thats why you said you would have to parse it?
22:50:37 [keschte]
what about non-latin artists
22:50:39 [ruaok]
and you may get a different sort order, but find what you are looking for.
22:50:55 [ruaok]
teleGUISE: yes.
22:51:09 [ruaok]
and if it was just a stream of words, then I could do it.
22:51:24 [ruaok]
but since the query string could contain query mark-up its not so easy.
22:51:35 [ruaok]
keschte: what about them?
22:51:55 [ruaok]
keschte: can you hack on something for me?
22:52:09 [keschte]
if you don't include the sortname, we'll have big problems (cyrillic stuff rears its carpy head again)
22:52:15 [ruaok]
* ruaok needs JS help
22:52:20 [catgroove]
a search for kago ai wouldnt get me kao ai inles I did some funky æ„› thing
22:52:24 [ruaok]
yes, very true.
22:52:40 [ruaok]
I need to test so see if artist & sortname as the default gives us the search results we want.
22:52:42 [ruaok]
one sec.
22:53:18 [catgroove]
its whatthe old search did afaik so.. no wait it didn't search sortnames :p
22:53:29 [ruaok]
yes, that should work:
22:53:30 [ruaok]
artist:jennifer
22:53:30 [ruaok]
# rel arid artist o_artist p_artist sortname alias begin end
22:53:30 [ruaok]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:53:30 [ruaok]
1 100 d60bd9ce-f> Jennifer Jennifer Jennifer Jennifer
22:53:33 [ruaok]
2 62 f0602f55-1> Jennifer Lopez Jennifer Lopez Jennifer Lopez Lopez, Jennifer J-Lo J Lo Jenife> 1970>
22:53:42 [keschte]
i am quite sure it did, catgroove.
22:53:43 [ruaok]
artist:jennifer sortname:jennifer
22:53:43 [ruaok]
# rel arid artist o_artist p_artist sortname alias begin end
22:53:43 [ruaok]
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22:53:46 [ruaok]
1 100 d60bd9ce-f> Jennifer Jennifer Jennifer Jennifer
22:53:49 [ruaok]
2 62 f0602f55-1> Jennifer Lopez Jennifer Lopez Jennifer Lopez Lopez, Jennifer J-Lo J Lo Jenife> 1970>
22:54:16 [ruaok]
so searching alias should be optional, and then things would be more like people expect them to be.
22:54:23 [ruaok]
keschte: remember the JS searchbox improvements I wanted?
22:54:35 [ruaok]
Here is what I'd wish for
22:54:37 [keschte]
scatterbrains alert
22:54:37 [ruaok]
1. a pony
22:55:02 [ruaok]
2. depending on the search type selected, show check boxes for which fields to search.
22:55:19 [ruaok]
3. if punctuatiion is entered, show a warning about the query syntax.
22:55:19 [keschte]
omg, not another javascript thingie :)
22:55:35 [catgroove]
agree! :p
22:55:36 [keschte]
yes, i remember now.
22:55:38 [ruaok]
well, how can we do this without?
22:55:54 [ruaok]
each search type will have different fields to search on.
22:56:01 [teleGUISE]
oh no more keschascript
22:56:04 [keschte]
it should probably work like the AR entry page. show all, but with js you'll see only the relevant ones
22:56:06 [catgroove]
:(
22:56:07 [catgroove]
:)
22:56:19 [ruaok]
keschte: sure.
22:56:31 [ruaok]
can you hack up the skeleton for me and I will fill that out?
22:56:35 [keschte]
although i'd really like just one field in the sidebar
22:56:38 [ruaok]
You can skip #1 if its too difficult.
22:56:49 [ruaok]
that's fine.
22:56:50 [teleGUISE]
if your going to allow seperating out the fields.. couldnt you sort them 1 by 1 and then rank them to give them priority?
22:56:51 [keschte]
then say the first 10 results in each of the artist/release/tracks domain
22:56:52 [ruaok]
we just use the defaults for that.
22:57:13 [catgroove]
utoh
22:57:15 [teleGUISE]
though i guess that slows things down 2 or 3x
22:57:16 [keschte]
and more gimmicky stuff in the advanced search
22:57:18 [ruaok]
teleGUISE: I would have to do multiple seaches for that.
22:57:34 [catgroove]
please don't remove the 'artist' 'track' 'album' fileds for m the sidebar :/
22:57:34 [ruaok]
keschte: that's fine too.
22:57:43 [ruaok]
catgroove: relax.
22:58:19 [ruaok]
I can hack up the lucene_server to accept the flags for which field to search. no biggie.
22:58:19 [catgroove]
:D
22:58:36 [catgroove]
<:/
22:58:39 [keschte]
humm. so you'd like me to fix something up for the sidebar
22:58:40 [teleGUISE]
would a multiple search really be that slow or intense since its all indexed?
22:58:49 [ruaok]
keschte: no, forget the sidebar.
22:58:59 [catgroove]
* catgroove breathes out
22:59:05 [catgroove]
sorry :)
22:59:15 [ruaok]
let's make the defaults for each category be sane.
22:59:30 [ruaok]
then in an advanced search we offer the customization of fields.
22:59:46 [keschte]
yes, else you'll have tons of mails to the support e-mail addy :)
23:00:17 [ruaok]
though, we should have and "advanced search" that is different from "tag lookup"
23:00:24 [ruaok]
they are two different beasts.
23:00:34 [ruaok]
maybe that should be fixed too.
23:00:38 [keschte]
yes, we can add this to the normal textsearch component
23:00:44 [ruaok]
call what is currently called Advanced Search and name it tag lookup.
23:01:03 [ruaok]
and then have an "advanced search" that offers more flexivility for normal searches.
23:01:09 [catgroove]
yay
23:01:42 [keschte]
the tag lookup is stupid. it shouldn't check for blank fields anymore. it complains if track has e.g. a completly valid trackname, but no artist set.
23:02:07 [keschte]
this sounds cool.
23:02:17 [catgroove]
I agre!
23:02:20 [ruaok]
keschte: make ya a deal. you make the fixes and I will fix taglookup.
23:02:29 [keschte]
please create a ticket, with the fields you'd like to include for each entity type
23:02:36 [ruaok]
k
23:02:58 [ruaok]
what do you think of my advanced search vs taglookup suggestion?
23:03:11 [ruaok]
while we're fixing nomenclature.
23:03:14 [catgroove]
don't understand it quite
23:03:21 [keschte]
the filename is taglookup.html. the case is clear :)
23:03:43 [ruaok]
but the search page says "advanced search" which is not what most people would expect.
23:04:18 [ruaok]
did you want to make a new advanced search page, or just add the checkboxes to the search component?
23:04:22 [keschte]
the lucene search is more advanced than the advanced search imo
23:04:29 [ruaok]
ding.
23:04:36 [keschte]
add it to the comp.
23:04:38 [ruaok]
taglookup is kinda stupid in comparison, as you say.
23:04:39 [teleGUISE]
you mean the advanced search might not take the last word of the artist name and the first word of the track title and display results !! wow
23:04:40 [ruaok]
ok
23:05:23 [teleGUISE]
always like how advanced search for artist "Smash Mouth" track "Come On" displays -- "Come in my Mouth" :P
23:05:51 [keschte]
lol
23:06:24 [teleGUISE]
by artist Earl Wilson.... or "On the Mouth" by "Superchunk"
23:06:30 [keschte]
some hidden treasures in our music database
23:07:04 [teleGUISE]
actually though how does it come up with that result ?
23:07:19 [keschte]
damn, its late again.
23:07:45 [keschte]
...laters
23:07:47 [catgroove]
that damn time-dude, always runnign away
23:07:57 [keschte]
bai
23:07:59 [teleGUISE]
yea ask him a tough question he runs ;)
23:08:02 [keschte]
keschte has quit
23:08:05 [teleGUISE]
see ya keschte..
23:21:09 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila mooses catgroove up via hadooop
23:22:09 [catgroove]
ping
23:22:13 [catgroove]
hi hi mus
23:23:12 [mustaqila]
Hey hei mo
23:27:55 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♪ Black Sabbath - N.I.B. (last.fm) (0:0-1) ♪
23:27:57 [catgroove]
:D
23:28:19 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila :: Norther - Unleash Hell
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23:35:00 [Shepard]
* Shepard has a nive cover for muz: http://www.ezperanza.com/ktkcover.gif
23:35:20 [mustaqila]
Not my kettle of fish ;)
23:35:25 [catgroove]
rawr
23:35:27 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila has picky tastes about women
23:35:30 [catgroove]
* catgroove likes
23:35:35 [catgroove]
* catgroove too
23:40:21 [ruaok]
wow, this is cool:
23:40:21 [ruaok]
http://flickr.com/photos/mlk/177281841/
23:40:55 [ruaok]
wow. I can see my tent from space. :)
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23:41:28 [catgroove]
ru: :)
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23:42:18 [catgroove]
that is burnign man, okay
23:52:56 [mustaqila]
catgroove, rokning dodar
23:53:11 [catgroove]
yatta hvada?
23:53:20 [mustaqila]
Errm
23:53:25 [mustaqila]
Those o's should have umlauts
23:53:45 [catgroove]
/braindead <--
23:53:51 [mustaqila]
Swedish :P
23:54:02 [catgroove]
smoking kills?
23:54:04 [catgroove]
bah
23:54:08 [mustaqila]
Yes!
23:54:08 [mustaqila]
:D
23:54:16 [catgroove]
antismokers are death :(
23:54:16 [mustaqila]
Yay, you understood me :3
23:54:19 [catgroove]
* catgroove hates them
23:54:21 [catgroove]
:)
23:54:38 [Shepard]
o_O
23:54:57 [mustaqila]
Rokning under graviditeten skadar ditt barn
23:55:10 [catgroove]
ja fysj
23:55:14 [mustaqila]
:P
23:55:19 [mustaqila]
Ja joss
23:55:22 [mustaqila]
Hehehe
23:55:48 [catgroove]
muz: did you get a hold of a swedish packet of smokes or something?
23:55:54 [mustaqila]
... yes
23:55:55 [mustaqila]
:P
23:55:59 [ruaok]
LOL
23:56:03 [catgroove]
and its jøss, really.
23:56:12 [mustaqila]
I can't do the o/ on my keyboard :(
23:56:17 [mustaqila]
Well, not easily
23:56:29 [catgroove]
o O ( if sheplish can complain about er i can complain about ø )
23:56:31 [Shepard]
ø :o
23:56:33 [catgroove]
please
23:56:48 [catgroove]
some words change meansing quite drastically if ø -> o
23:56:53 [mustaqila]
Sorry
23:56:56 [catgroove]
meaning even
23:56:58 [catgroove]
no rpob
23:57:01 [catgroove]
prob
23:57:04 [catgroove]
wow I'm tired
23:57:14 [mustaqila]
* mustaqila goes to cry and smoke these smooth smooth swedish smokes
23:57:20 [catgroove]
the only thing that's keepign me awake is hunger
23:57:27 [catgroove]
if I eat something I'll fall asleep
23:57:28 [catgroove]
oh and
23:57:29 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♪ AC/DC - Big Balls (last.fm) (0:0-1) ♪
23:57:33 [mustaqila]
They're giving me cancer, but in a less obtrusive way to that of English cigarettes!
23:57:33 [catgroove]
* catgroove chuckles
23:57:50 [catgroove]
really?
23:57:59 [mustaqila]
Compared to what I usually smoke, yes
23:58:29 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♪ Motörhead - (Don't Need) Religion (last.fm) (0:0-1) ♪
23:58:32 [catgroove]
:D
23:58:40 [Shepard]
* Shepard plays something for mo to keep him awake...
23:58:42 [Shepard]
* Shepard np: Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven (08:03min)
23:58:46 [catgroove]
:o
23:58:51 [catgroove]
I just played that a while ago
23:58:55 [catgroove]
and
23:59:19 [catgroove]
that, and the song i'm listening to now is o n the same kassette my mother compiled for herself before I was born
23:59:51 [catgroove]
I'm currently adding the tracks of my moms old mixtapes onto a tag in last.fm, kinda like a 'childhood memories tag'