IRC log of musicbrainz on 2006-07-31

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00:40:18 [Shepard]: can a swedish speaker check this, please? http://musicbrainz.org/release/be38a1ed-1711-4876-88b5-9dc629c3835c.html
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05:45:35 [nikki_]: my ears hurt and I can't sleep :(
05:57:19 [srotta]: Turn down the volume a bit.
06:06:17 [nikki_]: wish that would help.
06:06:33 [nikki_]: I think I have infections in both ears x_x
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07:37:43 [HairMetalAddict]: [02:39] <Shepard> can a swedish speaker check this, please? http://musicbrainz.org/release/be38a1ed-1711-4876-88b5-9dc629c3835c.html
07:38:02 [HairMetalAddict]: The Swedish itself looks okay. Can't say I know the artist.
07:43:35 [nikki_]: hmm.
07:43:56 [nikki_]: just forty more open add albums on my subscribed artists and one other open edit to vote on
07:44:03 [nikki_]: impressive.
08:01:19 [nightgroove]: uff
08:01:22 [nightgroove]: regn
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08:39:00 [[TeSeO]]: hello
08:39:10 [keschte]: hi
08:39:22 [[TeSeO]]: i want to ask something if anybody could help me
08:39:34 [[TeSeO]]: i have downloaded and properly installed the musicbrainz database
08:39:49 [[TeSeO]]: but i dont know how to update it
08:39:57 [[TeSeO]]: whenever they release a new version
08:40:22 [[TeSeO]]: is there any way apart of download the whole dta base and start the installation from the begining?
08:40:49 [keschte]: yes, wait a second
08:41:02 [[TeSeO]]: keschte: cheers mate
08:41:08 [keschte]: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/DatabaseDownload
08:41:27 [keschte]: its only the database you are interested in, not the server, right?
08:41:37 [[TeSeO]]: exactly
08:42:13 [luks]: set database type to RT_SLAVE and run `perl admin/replication/LoadReplicationChanges`
08:42:37 [keschte]: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/DatabaseSetup
08:42:55 [luks]: keschte: he already have the db installed
08:43:35 [[TeSeO]]: yes, and thanks to the people of this channel by the way :)
08:43:45 [keschte]: keyword was: start the installation from the beginning :)
08:44:04 [keschte]: it might be too early for me, though
08:44:24 [[TeSeO]]: otherwise i would be stuck on the cvs server that in mb web sites talks about in the how to's
08:44:52 [luks]: just change "sub REPLICATION_TYPE { RT_STANDALONE }" in cgi-bin/DBDefs.pm to "sub REPLICATION_TYPE { RT_SLAVE }"
08:45:03 [luks]: and then run the script to load changes
08:45:26 [luks]: ideally add it to cron, so it will update itself automatically
08:45:44 [[TeSeO]]: yes that's my plan actually
08:46:22 [[TeSeO]]: and it will update
08:46:33 [[TeSeO]]: the whole database? i'm using the big file
08:46:41 [[TeSeO]]: and two of the others
08:46:45 [[TeSeO]]: to have the covers and stuff
08:47:13 [[TeSeO]]: not using the moderators and searches because the users will be spanish speakers and will not use that cache
08:47:22 [[TeSeO]]: so is the only thing useless for me
08:47:30 [luks]: there are small packets of changes produced each hour
08:47:36 [luks]: it will download only those
08:47:51 [[TeSeO]]: will update album_asin_amazon table for example?
08:47:59 [[TeSeO]]: ah, oke so it will check
08:48:12 [[TeSeO]]: if what i have is updated and if not, it will download it
08:48:24 [luks]: i don't know. i think the packets include data from mbdump.tar.bz2 and mbdump-derived.tar.bz2
08:48:39 [[TeSeO]]: yes, the derived one is what i needed
08:48:48 [[TeSeO]]: you know is where the covers come from
08:49:06 [[TeSeO]]: luks i really appreciate your help, you did it a lot
08:49:18 [keschte]: sorry i didn't :)
08:49:20 [[TeSeO]]: this is real open source community
08:49:31 [[TeSeO]]: keschte, you too mate
08:49:49 [[TeSeO]]: at least is not the tipical irc channels that people is muted and ignores you
08:49:56 [luks]: what are you going to do with the database, btw?
08:50:31 [[TeSeO]]: at the moment
08:50:40 [[TeSeO]]: i'm gonna put the info
08:50:45 [[TeSeO]]: online
08:50:51 [[TeSeO]]: and try to position it
08:50:53 [[TeSeO]]: in google
08:51:07 [[TeSeO]]: for the people to talk about the songs , albums, artist and stuff
08:51:25 [[TeSeO]]: e.g: you go to a contact website and go to music section
08:51:46 [[TeSeO]]: and people vote and talk about an album, and also you can add new reviews for a musician, etc
08:53:23 [keschte]: hmm...
08:53:40 [keschte]: luks, you remember the subjective content thingie that was started a couple of months ago
08:53:59 [keschte]: nothing happened in that perspective, but we'd be interested to have this directly in mb
08:54:11 [keschte]: to have some more community value than just collecting data
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09:00:09 [[TeSeO]]: by the way, where you guys from?:-)
09:00:30 [[TeSeO]]: as how i speak english, you can notice i'm not. I'm spanish
09:01:32 [keschte]: i'm .ch
09:04:55 [keschte]: your english is fine :)
09:07:29 [luks]: keschte: hm, subjective content thingie?
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09:09:42 [keschte]: there was a discussion about adding another wiki for reviews
09:09:49 [luks]: ah
09:10:01 [keschte]: but as things go around here, it trickled away
09:10:23 [keschte]: [TeSeO]: is there a business aspect to your project?
09:10:38 [[TeSeO]]: no
09:11:03 [keschte]: we are *really* short on coders, and there are so many features we'd like to develop.
09:11:08 [keschte]: maybe you could help out?
09:11:46 [[TeSeO]]: what exactly are you looking for?
09:11:52 [keschte]: i remember that indexing the database by google was discussed too, but it was taxed too heavy for the database at the time
09:12:11 [keschte]: have you started working on these community features yet?
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09:12:29 [[TeSeO]]: i had no idea there was people working on it
09:12:36 [[TeSeO]]: aw sorry
09:12:41 [[TeSeO]]: id didnt get it
09:12:54 [[TeSeO]]: i can see
09:12:57 [[TeSeO]]: that the database
09:12:57 [keschte]: no, there aren't.
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09:13:07 [[TeSeO]]: has a *problem*
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09:13:14 [[TeSeO]]: and is that field
09:13:18 [[TeSeO]]: called gid
09:13:29 [[TeSeO]]: which i dont know exactly for what it is
09:13:40 [keschte]: its a unique identifier of an entity
09:13:48 [keschte]: ./artist/gid.html for instance
09:13:57 [[TeSeO]]: but i see that is used to make the url
09:14:05 [[TeSeO]]: buta that id is the id field as well?
09:14:10 [keschte]: until just now, they were lost after a merge, but not anymore
09:14:18 [[TeSeO]]: i think
09:14:21 [[TeSeO]]: that gid
09:14:40 [keschte]: the integer id is supposed to be the internal value and not used to link from outside
09:14:54 [[TeSeO]]: yes exactly
09:14:58 [[TeSeO]]: that gid field
09:15:06 [[TeSeO]]: might be a link
09:15:14 [[TeSeO]]: like this
09:16:02 [[TeSeO]]: http://www.lyricstime.com/guns-n-roses-welcome-to-the-jungle-lyrics.html
09:16:04 [[TeSeO]]: you see?
09:16:09 [[TeSeO]]: the keywords are in the url
09:16:19 [[TeSeO]]: in this case they dont use the internal id
09:16:20 [[TeSeO]]: but normally
09:16:25 [[TeSeO]]: using rewrite mode and regex
09:16:27 [[TeSeO]]: you can have
09:16:32 [[TeSeO]]: http://www.lyricstime.com/guns-n-roses-welcome-to-the-jungle-lyrics-X58778.html
09:16:52 [[TeSeO]]: and it is like if you put http://www.lyricstime.com/song.php?id=58778
09:17:00 [luks]: it's not very useful for mb to have keywords in the url
09:17:04 [keschte]: yea
09:17:07 [[TeSeO]]: why?
09:17:11 [luks]: currently it isn't even indexed by google
09:17:31 [[TeSeO]]: is very usefull to have the keywords in the url
09:17:33 [[TeSeO]]: in fact
09:17:37 [[TeSeO]]: if you just use
09:17:44 [[TeSeO]]: the field name
09:17:53 [luks]: this is how MB links should looke like: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/4a4ee089-93b1-4470-af9a-6ff575d32704.html
09:17:55 [[TeSeO]]: what you have in there
09:18:00 [luks]: where the "4a4ee089-93b1-4470-af9a-6ff575d32704" part is permanent
09:18:03 [luks]: and will never change
09:18:20 [keschte]: i'm not really fond of the GUIDs from a useabilty perspective
09:18:33 [keschte]: i proposed to have additional links like /artist/Pink+Floyd
09:18:36 [[TeSeO]]: if you use this, then you are wasting positive things with google
09:18:40 [[TeSeO]]: exactly
09:18:44 [keschte]: but this messes with the service aspect (webservices) of mb
09:18:49 [[TeSeO]]: no
09:19:06 [[TeSeO]]: is just substitute the gid for the new gid, using what the field name has
09:19:13 [[TeSeO]]: but no spaces, just -
09:19:24 [luks]: the problem in names in URLs, is that names change
09:19:28 [[TeSeO]]: if name is Guns and roses -> gid would be guns-and-roses
09:19:39 [keschte]: dumb question, how is the system supposed to know where the artist ends and the release name starts? :-)
09:20:01 [[TeSeO]]: because
09:20:06 [[TeSeO]]: what is really important
09:20:13 [[TeSeO]]: is the unique integer id
09:20:16 [keschte]: and urls are not supposed to be changeable by edits made against the entities, thats why :)
09:20:34 [keschte]: no, exactly the opposite.
09:20:45 [keschte]: the guid is permanant, and the rowid can change.
09:20:52 [HairMetalAddict]: Then you've got to deal with 10 different artists having the same name, non-English characters, and all sorts of other such fun.
09:21:06 [keschte]: we have now a mapping in place that will map 0..n albums merged into another to the guid of the destination album
09:21:17 [luks]: just look at wikipedia, they have to use "Foo (XYZ album)" hacks
09:21:18 [HairMetalAddict]: Along with, yes, artist names change sometime, making the links non-permanent
09:21:20 [keschte]: (or we will) :)
09:21:28 [[TeSeO]]: HairMetalAddict, the dealing is solve just taking the id, the links is just google work
09:21:52 [[TeSeO]]: if there are two bands called pink floyd
09:22:00 [keschte]: if we remove the robots.txt line preventing bots to index the site, it will index the guid's just fine
09:22:05 [keschte]: its the page content that counts
09:22:08 [HairMetalAddict]: yep
09:22:28 [[TeSeO]]: is just a positive thing that is not being used
09:22:36 [keschte]: on the other hand, your argument is for human readable (and more important, rememberable) urls
09:22:36 [[TeSeO]]: the keywords in da url
09:22:49 [[TeSeO]]: exactly
09:22:53 [keschte]: i for one cannot keep a guid in memory :D
09:22:53 [[TeSeO]]: basicly
09:22:57 [HairMetalAddict]: Google knows link URLs are used by SEOs to try and get higher result ranking, and ignores them.
09:23:10 [[TeSeO]]: HairMetalAddict, you are totally confused about that
09:23:24 [[TeSeO]]: as i work on seo and google LOVES friendly urls
09:23:50 [HairMetalAddict]: That's from the mouth of a Google staff, at a SEO conference that I *spoke* at.
09:24:10 [[TeSeO]]: conferences...
09:24:27 [[TeSeO]]: i could put you examples in spanish
09:24:31 [keschte]: whew, hma takes out the big guns :)
09:24:39 [[TeSeO]]: with spanish keywords
09:24:43 [[TeSeO]]: and you lsee how my sates
09:24:44 [[TeSeO]]: sites
09:24:48 [[TeSeO]]: are well positionated
09:24:49 [[TeSeO]]: for content
09:24:57 [[TeSeO]]: and 100% legal seo
09:25:02 [HairMetalAddict]: Dude, learn how to put a whole sentence on one line.
09:25:12 [[TeSeO]]: sorry, i will
09:26:16 [[TeSeO]]: i have an spanish ajax community web sites for manual, stutorials and news. I did a seo on it and you can see how if you use the seo technics properly and being honest what you do with the content website, google will take care of you
09:27:06 [[TeSeO]]: because what google wants is that the results you whant is what you get and that's what i do.
09:27:48 [inhouseuk]: so basically you want to take public domain musicbrainz data and place it on a site which will be indexed by google so that you can place loads of advertising on it?
09:27:58 [HairMetalAddict]: MB is best served by word-of-mouth anyway. Changing URLs just for Google, even if it would help, isn't worth the effort as (1) Google prioritizes actual content, no matter what the URL is, and (2) the point is to have permanent URLs, and that just won't happen if the current URLs are changed.
09:29:15 [[TeSeO]]: inhouseuk, i asked that question already, scroll up
09:29:52 [[TeSeO]]: HairMetalAddict, i dont whant to mess anything, i just was asked for indexes and stuff and i talked and gave my opinion. i think i'm not hurting anybody
09:33:10 [inhouseuk]: [TeSeO]: if you are making money out of the replicated feed, you would need to enter into a license agreement http://musicbrainz.org/doc/LiveDataFeed
09:34:42 [nightgroove]: i'm going out i n the rain, wish me luck
09:38:35 [[TeSeO]]: inhouseuk,
09:38:48 [nightgroove]: dude,
09:39:05 [[TeSeO]]: inhouseuk, i did read in mb web this "For instance, if you have banner ads on your site in hopes to cover your bandwidth costs, but you don't charge for anything else on your site, we don't consider that commercial use." that is my case
09:39:32 [inhouseuk]: not if your business is banner advertising!
09:39:56 [[TeSeO]]: which is not my case
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09:40:37 [[TeSeO]]: i'm not gonna be paid or earn money with what i want to do. Is just that
09:40:58 [[TeSeO]]: the mb hosting is expensive for bandwith and hard disk
09:43:04 [inhouseuk]: yes, but it doesn't need indexing by google presently. It wouldn't help musicbrainz by doing that
09:43:27 [inhouseuk]: in fact it would make that hosting and bandwidth cost even higher
09:44:15 [[TeSeO]]: i want my site be visited, if i dont place in google is because i'm stupid though
09:44:22 [keschte]: rainmo: yes, and?
09:46:53 [HairMetalAddict]: Where is the voting love? http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5278226
09:46:54 [HairMetalAddict]: :-P
09:47:23 [HairMetalAddict]: * HairMetalAddict hates open mods, hehehe
09:48:00 [inhouseuk]: [TeSeO]: if people are interesting in the content on your site, they will find it anyway. It seems you just want a good position in google to sell advertising space or make money from banner advertising as a commercial business
09:49:11 [[TeSeO]]: i think you and me have differents points of view of what people do when is searching things. Most of the people who uses google dont go forward than the second page
09:49:13 [keschte]: * keschte goes to vote no on HairMetalAddict edits :)
09:49:26 [HairMetalAddict]: What? All 1 of them? :-P
09:50:28 [keschte]: what, you don't have any more? slacker :)
09:50:43 [inhouseuk]: [TeSeO]: so why do you need a good position in google? What content is going to be on your site that people are interested in?
09:50:58 [[TeSeO]]: the content of music brainz:)
09:51:02 [HairMetalAddict]: Well, most of my stuff is auto-editor approved. ;-)
09:51:15 [[TeSeO]]: and i wnat a good position because i wnat my website be visited for people
09:51:27 [[TeSeO]]: i would not do it if i just want to place a web and nobody be there
09:52:45 [keschte]: [TeSeO]: so, to cut this argument short a bit (i hope)
09:52:57 [keschte]: could you imagine implementing this for mb directly?
09:54:03 [keschte]: and mb hopefully will get enough cashflow in the near future to support search engines indexing the real content
09:54:12 [[TeSeO]]: inhouseuk, are you being serious asking me why do i want my web with a good position in google? i think is that even if you create a website of ponneys you wish you could be the first even if you dont have google adsense
09:54:36 [keschte]: no, his point is valid!
09:55:34 [keschte]: its in a way direct competition on what we'd like to do.
09:56:33 [[TeSeO]]: you asked me something and i gave my opnion just that
09:56:49 [inhouseuk]: [TeSeO]: I'm just trying to work out why you want to do this and what benefit it has to musicbrainz
09:57:25 [inhouseuk]: currently I don't see how it would benefit musicbrainz directly
09:59:31 [keschte]: HairMetalAddict: regarding the note on your edit
09:59:42 [keschte]: it would be useful if the release artist was shown there hmm?
10:00:06 [[TeSeO]]: i wnat to do this because in my free time i'm music. I play guitar i have 4 guitars and i know from inside how bloody shit is new bands promoting. if you want to listen to some of my music go to www.javiermellado.info you might not like it, but is what i do (2) i earn my wages and eat because of the money i got from my work, i work in a company as system adminsitrator and web developer, i would quit working with the web i'd lik
10:00:06 [[TeSeO]]: e to do with mb database (3) if my web sites gets crowd and has many visitors and in my index i put the link to (database courtyse of musicbrainz community) it will have a link from my index. anything else you wanna know?
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10:01:57 [inhouseuk]: [TeSeO]: okay, so what is the benefit to you?
10:02:55 [keschte]: [TeSeO]: if that were so easy, we'd all be working fulltime for musicbrainz.
10:03:12 [[TeSeO]]: i think i dnt speak english enough for you to understand me
10:03:53 [[TeSeO]]: my benefit is taht in my free time i try to promote music and musicians
10:04:11 [[TeSeO]]: not all the people consider benefits on getting money
10:04:25 [[TeSeO]]: if it is what you wanna know, mr police man
10:05:27 [inhouseuk]: okay, fine. It's just that we've seen people attempting to make money out of the data without returning anything back to the community
10:06:08 [[TeSeO]]: i told you my website link to listen to my music
10:06:21 [[TeSeO]]: i guess those people dont bloody know what's a guitar chord
10:06:50 [[TeSeO]]: but not me, and from the begining you treated me like if i were a thief or something
10:08:08 [keschte]: [TeSeO]: this can happen while communicating in the internet
10:08:16 [keschte]: i'm sure he didn't mean it that way.
10:08:38 [inhouseuk]: indeed that was not my intention.
10:08:54 [[TeSeO]]: put yourself in my position and see how someone is keepin you what the hell you ar gonna do bla bla bla
10:09:14 [[TeSeO]]: specially when i was givin my opinion on something i was asked for the good of the community
10:09:44 [[TeSeO]]: but anyway, nevermind. I really appreciate your help, you helped me a lot in this irc channel
10:10:12 [[TeSeO]]: i can understand what you mean, people gettin money and not givin anything back.
10:10:20 [[TeSeO]]: to the community
10:15:05 [MBChatLogger]: Ewww! Gross!
10:15:05 [inhouseuk]: [TeSeO]: to understand my approach you need to understand one of the reasons why musicbrainz was created. Once there was a freely available CD lookup database where people submitted data to it. A company called Gracenote then decided to take that data and make a business out of it
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10:17:32 [mudcrow]: mornings MB
10:17:49 [MartinRudat]: mornings? bah! =)
10:18:05 [MartinRudat]: G'day mudcrow.
10:18:30 [mudcrow]: g'day me ol' vegemite eater
10:18:49 [Shrike]: Whussat vegemite then?
10:18:59 [Shrike]: I've heard of it so often
10:19:06 [Shrike]: Is it like Tartex?
10:19:11 [MartinRudat]: ...actually, I've tried vegemite, and think it's horrible salty stuff...
10:19:28 [MartinRudat]: it's a yeast byproduct, I think.
10:19:30 [mudcrow]: http://www.vegemite.com.au/
10:19:58 [Shrike]: http://www.tartex.de/marken/?SID=f5822bdc39d76761bdd55901d87cbe8f
10:20:37 [inhouseuk]: * inhouseuk emulates MBChatLogger "Ewww! Gross!"
10:20:55 [slaad]: * slaad calls ASIO and has MartinRudat's citizenship revoked
10:21:12 [MartinRudat]: slaad: heh. =)
10:21:38 [slaad]: Oi! Don't talk to me. I don't want to be implicated with you and go on a 28 day "holiday" :)
10:21:41 [MartinRudat]: I never did get around to trying a meat pie floater when I was over in SA.
10:21:55 [slaad]: Isn't that a Victorian thing?
10:22:09 [MartinRudat]: not that I'd heard. *shrugs*
10:22:27 [slaad]: I thought it was an AFL related thing.
10:22:54 [MartinRudat]: ...a bowl of soup at the footy?
10:23:19 [slaad]: Nah, they'd serve it in a chinese takeaway container.
10:23:30 [slaad]: Or possibly a chip boat.
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10:24:40 [MartinRudat]: Shrike: after looking at that, I can say with reasonable certainty that vegemite isn't a meat-substitute, though it does make rice taste nicer.
10:25:43 [slaad]: Rice taste nicer? O_o
10:25:57 [Shrike]: Yeah, looks to me like a marmelade sorta thing, but affarently salty
10:26:17 [Shrike]: I always thought it'd be something for vegetarians :)
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10:26:36 [Shrike]: I'll stick to Tartex
10:27:07 [MartinRudat]: afaik, it used to be vegetarian, but they've recently said it's not.
10:28:45 [MartinRudat]: slaad: well, just about anything makes rice taste nicer, I'd think... and about a tea-spoon to a pot of rice seems about right to me... =)
10:29:15 [slaad]: You've tried this?
10:29:44 [MartinRudat]: yes, though it was a while ago.
10:29:51 [slaad]: Bachelor at the time, eh? :)
10:30:07 [MartinRudat]: nope, a mum-cooked pot of rice.
10:30:21 [slaad]: Bizarre.
10:31:12 [inhouseuk]: it sounds like the type of meal uni students would make
10:31:14 [MartinRudat]: hmm... "spaghetti with baked beans", "peanut butter and jam sandwich"?
10:31:34 [slaad]: I used to rather like Continental side dishes mixed through rice.
10:36:47 [MartinRudat]: * MartinRudat wonders if it's wrong to want to force web-developers to use a 640x480 screen, and surf via dialup... at least for a little while. =)
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10:50:37 [inhouseuk]: MartinRudat: also the MS development team should go back to writing code on an old 386 with limited memory
10:50:56 [MartinRudat]: heh.
10:51:37 [MartinRudat]: actually, all you'd need to do is force them to use any machine with limited memory to get a massive improvement. =)
10:51:51 [inhouseuk]: true
10:52:27 [inhouseuk]: vista with less that 512 is terrible
10:52:32 [inhouseuk]: than
10:53:12 [inhouseuk]: and that is without any applications running
10:54:43 [MartinRudat]: ...I'd like to know where all my ram goes, I used to not swap, not all that long ago... I suppose I shouldn't really complain about lack of ram and be using gnome, though...
10:55:26 [inhouseuk]: gnomes eat memory for breakfast and lunch :)
10:55:59 [MartinRudat]: what about dinner? hmm... I suppose they eat as much CPU as a small CPU-eating critter. =)
10:58:42 [inhouseuk]: swapped out memory isn't bad, if it doesn't need accessing often
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10:59:52 [MartinRudat]: inhouseuk: I've got liferea, mozilla, and rhythmbox running, all of which seem to be memory hogs... I also leave my computer running... I spend a few seconds whenever I come back, waiting for everything to swap back in again... =)
11:00:50 [inhouseuk]: purchase some more memory :)
11:01:05 [MartinRudat]: it's a laptop, it's maxed out already. =)
11:01:25 [inhouseuk]: ah! I've had that problem :(
11:01:38 [MartinRudat]: ...and as soon as I've got s'more money, I plan to get a bigger computer.
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12:17:18 [HairMetalAddict]: Bleh. Easy no-votes. http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=248586
12:21:19 [timo-]: indeed
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12:31:34 [Freso]: HairMetalAddict: Eh. Regarding your comment on edit 5293825... they haven't even had 24 hours since their first edit, so saying that they don't respond when called on yet is a bit unfair, I'd say.
12:33:22 [Freso]: And the earliest comments were left a bit over three hours from their last edit, which is plenty of time for someone to depart from the computer.
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12:39:48 [nikki_]: oh. I already voted on those
12:55:36 [Freso]: :)
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13:35:54 [rainmo]: http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=219921 http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5293700
13:36:44 [timo-]: I'm setting up an MB database. is there an easy way to keep it up-to-date with the main database, besides downloading the dump again?
13:37:05 [rainmo]: they where just talking about this...
13:38:24 [inhouseuk]: timo-: you can set up replication, which will grab hourly db updates from the main server and apply them to your local db
13:38:52 [rainmo]: ug slmeone changed ... to that symbol for ...
13:39:00 [rainmo]: and it was voted through by newbies
13:39:29 [rainmo]: â€¦ is it
13:39:58 [inhouseuk]: change it back and put a note pointing to the styleguide that mentions it in the mod that was voted through
13:40:00 [timo-]: inhouseuk, there's a script or like for it?
13:40:28 [rainmo]: I don't remember which page has the rule about ...
13:40:36 [timo-]: okay, I need to enlarge my /var
13:40:45 [inhouseuk]: one sec mo and I'll find it
13:40:55 [rainmo]: ta
13:42:05 [rainmo]: I'm finding loadsof erranous mods with http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?voter_id=207928&vote_cast=1&vote_cast=0&vote_cast=-1&orderby=desc&voter_type=1&offset=25
13:42:58 [inhouseuk]: timo-: have a look in the admin/replication directory for the scripts
13:44:10 [luks]: there is a style guideline that says to not use 'â€¦'?
13:44:11 [timo-]: inhouseuk, thank you
13:44:38 [inhouseuk]: timo-: see htdocs/docs/Replication also
13:45:52 [rainmo]: http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=355961
13:46:20 [inhouseuk]: mo http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/MiscellaneousGuideline
13:46:27 [rainmo]: thanks
13:48:23 [rainmo]: coopera is adding (live) to the tracks of a live release
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13:48:34 [inhouseuk]: :(
13:48:40 [rainmo]: http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=219921
13:50:04 [inhouseuk]: well, it is set as EP and not live. But it is mentioned in the release title, so isn't needed on the tracks
13:50:17 [rainmo]: that's what I was thinking
13:51:47 [inhouseuk]: * inhouseuk is concerned about http://stats.musicbrainz.org/mrtg/dexter.cgi?log=dexter-xids&png=monthly
13:52:31 [inhouseuk]: keschte: did you maybe remove any memcache support in the code?
13:52:56 [rainmo]: * rainmo falls down
13:53:00 [rainmo]: i was suppose to vacumme
13:53:13 [rainmo]: now I haw TONNS of newbies making really dumb mistakes
13:53:24 [rainmo]: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=207928
13:53:43 [rainmo]: and this guy http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=355961
13:54:11 [inhouseuk]: mo household tasks take priority over MB
13:54:23 [inhouseuk]: that's what my wife says :(
13:54:29 [rainmo]: she's wroong!
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13:54:54 [rainmo]: thechairs and cats and junk wont get erranously deleted with 3 votes like tracks will!
13:54:55 [inhouseuk]: hah! you want to tell her that?
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13:55:54 [rainmo]: I can go vacumme if I am certain that someone else will llookat atleast some of these
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14:03:30 [rainmo]: * rainmo is away: stÃ¸vesugerspisedusj
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14:18:47 [keschte]: luks?
14:18:53 [luks]: yes?
14:19:05 [keschte]: perl question :(
14:19:14 [keschte]: %hash1 = %hash2
14:19:19 [keschte]: is this by reference or by value?
14:19:31 [keschte]: or rather, is it possible to clone a hash
14:19:44 [keschte]: i think i have a problem in the release editor
14:20:30 [luks]: ugh, i can't help you with this
14:20:52 [luks]: i'd say %hash1 = %hash2 *does* clone it
14:20:52 [keschte]: np :)
14:21:03 [keschte]: i think so too
14:21:12 [luks]: and $hash1 = \%hash2 copies a reference
14:21:22 [keschte]: this language is barely understandeable for someone trained in java or c#
14:21:38 [luks]: references in perl are simply plain stupid
14:21:54 [luks]: even references in C++ work much better
14:26:17 [keschte]: yeah, how is it going with the libs? :-)
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14:30:16 [flamingcow]: i think the answer to perl reference questions is "if you have to ask, you're using the wrong language"
14:38:03 [Aankhen``]: np: Dunya Salam (feat. Baaba Maal) ~ 1 Giant Leap [MP3]
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15:05:25 [nikki_]: hey mo
15:06:36 [keschte]: flamingcow: wanna help rewrite mb_server? :)
15:09:23 [nikki_]: * nikki_ falls over laughing at mo
15:09:40 [nikki_]: * nikki_ checks the open mods on mo's cats just to make sure
15:10:37 [nikki_]: * nikki_ wonders what language people would use if they did rewrite mb_server
15:16:35 [flamingcow]: C :)
15:17:47 [inhouseuk]: * inhouseuk was just thinking that :)
15:18:03 [inhouseuk]: my C is far better than my perl
15:18:39 [intgr]: Oh, come on, C hasn't been a buzzword for decades!
15:18:52 [inhouseuk]: and there are the ibm icu libraries for unicode support
15:19:16 [keschte]: from the things luks and rob are juggling, i'd say python
15:19:30 [inhouseuk]: * inhouseuk nods
15:20:10 [intgr]: Probably, yeah.
15:20:15 [luks]: i think the only possible choices would be python and java
15:20:30 [intgr]: Why Java?
15:20:39 [luks]: because it's fast
15:20:41 [keschte]: asp.net :D
15:20:59 [intgr]: Good point.
15:22:45 [keschte]: but unless mb starts making loads of money, that won't happen
15:23:00 [inhouseuk]: accessing the db will still be bottleneck for speed
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16:10:35 [DeafRaiders]: hi
16:12:08 [luks]: hi
16:12:25 [DeafRaiders]: can u provide me some help
16:13:11 [DeafRaiders]: can u change R&B Classic (disc 1) to R & B Classics (disc1). i am pending that to change the name
16:13:35 [luks]: why disc1?
16:13:52 [DeafRaiders]: cos is is that disc
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16:14:08 [DeafRaiders]: jst need to add an 's' to the end of Classics
16:14:47 [luks]: can you give me link to the album?
16:15:20 [DeafRaiders]: http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=536666
16:15:36 [DeafRaiders]: and how do i link it with picard
16:15:48 [luks]: "disc1" should be "disc 1"
16:15:54 [DeafRaiders]: someone here told me u the expert with it
16:16:08 [DeafRaiders]: ok why not (disc 1)?
16:16:24 [luks]: i mean, it should have the space
16:16:35 [DeafRaiders]: oh right
16:16:38 [luks]: err, and also please delete http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5271444
16:16:40 [DeafRaiders]: can u change it
16:16:44 [luks]: ok
16:17:14 [DeafRaiders]: yeah that was the testing
16:18:09 [luks]: also, tracks like "Can't Knock The Hustle (Feat. Mary J. Blige)" should be changed "Can't Knock the Hustle (feat. Mary J. Blige)" :)
16:18:30 [DeafRaiders]: ok pending to delete the one u told me to
16:18:37 [DeafRaiders]: small 'f'?
16:18:43 [luks]: yes
16:18:46 [luks]: and 'the'
16:18:47 [DeafRaiders]: ok thanks
16:18:54 [DeafRaiders]: ok
16:19:22 [DeafRaiders]: i can't save the ablum?
16:19:44 [DeafRaiders]: R & B Classics (disc 1)
16:20:36 [luks]: save?
16:20:41 [DeafRaiders]: yeah
16:21:05 [DeafRaiders]: like mark the tracks that artist and the name of Song
16:21:22 [DeafRaiders]: in picard
16:21:39 [luks]: ah, in picard
16:21:41 [luks]: yes, you can
16:21:52 [DeafRaiders]: it not allowing me
16:21:58 [DeafRaiders]: i also tried force save
16:22:29 [luks]: hm, you mean save tags to the files?
16:22:30 [luks]: or submit changes to the website from picard?
16:22:44 [DeafRaiders]: save tags to the files
16:23:07 [luks]: hm
16:23:13 [DeafRaiders]: to the cluster
16:23:24 [luks]: ah, drag the clusted to the album
16:23:29 [luks]: it should match the tracks
16:23:37 [luks]: and then you can save them
16:23:42 [luks]: *cluster
16:23:59 [DeafRaiders]: ok
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16:24:34 [DeafRaiders]: do i select them all to cluster?
16:25:07 [luks]: nope
16:25:22 [DeafRaiders]: it not letting my drag it
16:25:34 [luks]: hm
16:25:56 [luks]: maybe you could look at this - http://musicbrainz.org/doc/HowToTagFilesWithPicard
16:26:15 [luks]: there is a simple step-by-step guide
16:26:58 [luks]: i think you are on #5, right?
16:27:22 [DeafRaiders]: yeah
16:27:38 [luks]: and it doesn't let you to drag the cluster?
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16:27:53 [DeafRaiders]: well #3 really
16:28:05 [luks]: ah, then load the album first
16:29:02 [luks]: http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=536666&tport=8000 - click on the "Tagger" button
16:29:07 [DeafRaiders]: ok done
16:29:32 [luks]: and now it should let you to drag the cluster to the album, i think
16:29:54 [DeafRaiders]: nopr
16:29:56 [DeafRaiders]: nope
16:30:21 [luks]: hmm
16:32:17 [luks]: can you make a screenshot?
16:32:24 [DeafRaiders]: yeah
16:33:18 [DeafRaiders]: jst loading photoshop mate
16:34:09 [DeafRaiders]: http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/8545/screenshotbu7.jpg
16:35:27 [luks]: hm, i really can't see why it doesn't work
16:35:58 [luks]: can you drag *anything* in the right panel?
16:36:22 [DeafRaiders]: i restart picard
16:36:24 [DeafRaiders]: now
16:37:32 [DeafRaiders]: nope
16:38:43 [luks]: looks like some weird bug
16:38:50 [luks]: what system is what? winxp?
16:38:50 [DeafRaiders]: aahhhhh can drag the track by track but not the full cluster
16:38:58 [luks]: hmm
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16:39:22 [luks]: s/is what/is that/
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16:40:04 [DeafRaiders]: eh?
16:42:23 [DeafRaiders]: sorted now
16:42:42 [DeafRaiders]: only can do it track by track but would like to cluster by cluster
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16:44:06 [DeafRaiders]: thanks
16:44:38 [luks]: maybe it would be faster to drag a whole folder from windows explorer to the album
16:45:07 [DeafRaiders]: well mines is an external drive as MP3 Player 40GB
16:45:25 [DeafRaiders]: am gonna start adding the CD2
16:45:31 [DeafRaiders]: this program rocks
16:47:23 [luks]: well, it's buggy :)
16:47:42 [keschte]: * keschte grins
16:47:56 [keschte]: DeafRaiders: you haven't deleted the edit yet, huh?
16:48:07 [DeafRaiders]: * DeafRaiders hugs Musicbrainz members
16:48:13 [DeafRaiders]: huh?
16:48:37 [luks]: this one http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5271444
16:48:51 [keschte]: you have a delete link near the "status" label
16:49:12 [keschte]: rather than entering another edit to delete the pending add release edit, you can cancel your edit directly
16:49:30 [luks]: bah!
16:49:32 [luks]: * luks is stupid
16:49:37 [luks]: some votes please - http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5301677
16:49:45 [DeafRaiders]: how do i delete it
16:49:47 [keschte]: there's even a help text on the "remove release" page ;)
16:49:49 [keschte]: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/HowToCancelEdits
16:50:02 [keschte]: as i explained a few lines above :P
16:50:20 [nikki_]: hah, 3 votes in 7 seconds
16:50:23 [DeafRaiders]: how u add the pciture to the CD
16:50:25 [DeafRaiders]: ;)
16:50:34 [luks]: i added the amazon url
16:51:36 [DeafRaiders]: kl
16:52:45 [DeafRaiders]: it seems to not deleting it
16:53:12 [DeafRaiders]: its a bit confusing for me i only understand pictures, u see am deaf
16:53:25 [luks]: click on this http://musicbrainz.org/mod/remove.html?editid=5271444 :)
16:53:26 [DeafRaiders]: like that picard tutorial thats helpful
16:54:28 [DeafRaiders]: ok then what?
16:54:55 [luks]: and it's done
16:54:57 [luks]: now it says "Status: To be deleted"
16:55:18 [DeafRaiders]: ok
16:55:24 [DeafRaiders]: To be deleted
16:55:26 [DeafRaiders]: nice
16:55:53 [DeafRaiders]: i prefer the old tagger rather than picard its too confusing
16:56:11 [DeafRaiders]: i think most of them would agree
16:56:20 [nikki_]: * nikki_ wonders if DeafRaiders knows bsl then...
16:56:56 [DeafRaiders]: * DeafRaiders knows
16:57:24 [DeafRaiders]: * DeafRaiders profoundly deaf but loves beat of the music ;)
16:57:49 [nikki_]: ahh
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17:01:09 [DeafRaiders]: but i can hear the words any all
17:01:15 [DeafRaiders]: and*
17:02:10 [nikki_]: I have a fairly bad hearing loss, which possibly explains why I like foreign music so much, I can't understand much of the lyrics if it's english anyway
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17:13:29 [DeafRaiders]: kool where u from?
17:13:38 [nikki_]: north lincolnshire
17:13:52 [mustaqila]: INGERLAND!!112
17:14:01 [DeafRaiders]: north lanarkshire
17:15:21 [nikki_]: ah, scotland
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17:17:05 [keschte]: nikki_: i believe the styledude once said to use standard quotes, not the unicode ones
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17:20:18 [nikki_]: I agree with that for english
17:20:34 [nikki_]: but for languages where they're not the right quotes?
17:24:39 [nikki_]: I wouldn't convert Â« something Â» in french to "something", so I don't see why I would convert â€žsomethingâ€œ in german to "something"
17:26:35 [nikki_]: whereas it depends entirely on the font whether you can tell the difference between â€œsomethingâ€ and "something" in english
17:27:58 [keschte]: the guillemots are something else
17:28:07 [keschte]: or was it ..mets :)
17:28:12 [nikki_]: what are they then?
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17:29:30 [nikki_]: they're quotation marks in several languages, not just french
17:29:57 [DeafRaiders]: g2g bye
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18:02:03 [Keiron]: 'ello all
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18:18:22 [nikki_]: keschte: well, some random example from google news: Â« Le coÃ»t pour le peuple au Liban est trÃ¨s haut Â», a-t-il dit.
18:18:32 [nikki_]: they're acting as quotation marks there.
18:22:21 [VxJasonxV]: ã€Œã€
18:22:29 [VxJasonxV]: gotta love quotes / braces across cultures
18:22:39 [VxJasonxV]: ã€Œkekekekeã€
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18:28:29 [timo-]: yea, takes a while to import the mb database
18:30:42 [nikki_]: takes me about 2 hours
18:30:59 [nikki_]: VxJasonxV: I didn't bring up japanese 'cause lots of people refuse to touch it ;)
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18:31:47 [VxJasonxV]: I know
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18:49:57 [for4saken]: hello
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18:54:52 [Freso]: for4saken: G'evening.
18:55:12 [for4saken]: good evening
18:55:28 [for4saken]: I have a doubt
18:55:52 [for4saken]: sometime ago, I saw this edit (and absteined)
18:56:22 [for4saken]: its about this release: http://musicbrainz.org/release/88fd615d-4618-4547-8c86-b9f8ea13a49c.html
18:56:40 [for4saken]: it was a single artist (bajofondo tango club)
18:57:00 [for4saken]: changed to various artist
18:57:20 [for4saken]: but, end up that it continued to be under bajofondo
18:57:28 [for4saken]: I like this solution
18:57:50 [for4saken]: but I don't know if this is a proper solution under the style guide
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19:08:24 [for4saken]: this is the edit: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5040104
19:09:16 [for4saken]: a move from VA to an single artist of the release, however, which track has a diferent artist
19:22:46 [for4saken]: any thoughts?
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19:45:33 [keschte]: obviously not, forforsaken :)
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19:58:44 [Shepard]: HairMetalAddict?
19:59:22 [Freso]: Not me.
19:59:32 [rainmo]: wrong country
19:59:51 [Freso]: Exactly.
19:59:51 [Shepard]: nvm, he already replied earlier, just didn't see it :)
20:00:09 [nikki_]: you're all scandinavians by my definition!
20:00:17 [rainmo]: pfft
20:00:22 [nikki_]: * nikki_ giggles
20:00:33 [rainmo]: be carefull or you'll end up like your forefaters >O
20:00:53 [rainmo]: ie: vikings versus english
20:01:23 [nikki_]: please bring us a working language
20:01:32 [nikki_]: like one with a word for Ã¼bermorgen!
20:02:07 [rainmo]: overimorgen?
20:02:23 [rainmo]: day ater tomorrow?
20:02:24 [Shepard]: the day after tomorrow
20:02:26 [Shepard]: ja
20:02:27 [rainmo]: after even
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20:06:39 [ruaok]: * ruaok holds a $15k check from Google in his hands
20:06:43 [rainmo]: oooohhhh
20:09:05 [tru]: ruaok: food! and beer!
20:09:07 [tru]: :)
20:09:43 [ruaok]: yep. :-)
20:09:51 [ruaok]: * ruaok hugs his paycheck
20:10:03 [VxJasonxV]: nice
20:13:31 [Shepard]: hi ru
20:13:37 [nikki_]: ahhh!
20:13:39 [nikki_]: hi ruaok
20:13:45 [ruaok]: * ruaok waves
20:14:07 [nikki_]: shep insisted on typing first *pout*
20:14:26 [VxJasonxV]: google has put out a lot of money this summer
20:14:53 [rainmo]: hi ru
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20:15:22 [ruaok]: * ruaok got treated by Google to a nice dinner, drinks and schwag last week
20:15:30 [rainmo]: :o
20:15:32 [rainmo]: ja jÃ¸ss
20:15:38 [nikki_]: oh mo!
20:15:41 [rainmo]: ?
20:15:56 [rainmo]: yes?
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20:19:41 [Muz]: * Muz mooses along
20:19:55 [rainmo]: hello
20:20:01 [Muz]: Hei mo
20:20:26 [rainmo]: * rainmo has gamoja's from 'moose enterprises'
20:20:29 [Muz]: It's too quiet
20:20:34 [Muz]: :o
20:21:15 [nikki_]: * nikki_ bangs drums at muz
20:21:30 [rainmo]: there aren't really mooses in it, just a cartoone mose in trhe logo, the rest are monsterthings
20:21:44 [Muz]: Ouch nikki_
20:21:50 [rainmo]: * rainmo makes some noize
20:21:54 [Muz]: I suddenly remember why I dislike irssi
20:21:56 [Muz]: It sucks.
20:22:02 [rainmo]: bang BIF BAM BOOM
20:22:08 [rainmo]: * rainmo â™ª ã¤ã‚“ãâ™‚ - Mrï¼ŽMoonlightï½žæ„›ã®ãƒ“ãƒƒã‚°ãƒ»ãƒãƒ³ãƒ‰ï½ž (last.fm) (0:0-1) â™ª
20:22:12 [rainmo]: :D
20:22:20 [rainmo]: nikki, har du den?
20:22:26 [nikki_]: irssi doesn't suck
20:22:53 [nikki_]: isn't that a morning musume song?
20:23:03 [Muz]: It does, comparatively
20:23:04 [rainmo]: no tsunki is like singing and stuff
20:23:08 [Muz]: As a terminal irc client it rocks
20:23:13 [rainmo]: but he wrote all the stuff
20:23:23 [rainmo]: so perhaps this was his own song first
20:23:56 [rainmo]: wasn't he in a popband before he made up morningmuseme and stuff
20:24:09 [rainmo]: <-- only knows what he read
20:27:15 [nikki_]: hmm
20:27:49 [nikki_]: well, if it was on a release...
20:29:18 [rainmo]: last.fm is unhappy there
20:29:29 [Muz]: mo?
20:29:34 [rainmo]: yes?
20:29:41 [Muz]: What's wrong with last.fm?
20:30:07 [rainmo]: no nothing, just no album for tsunki â™‚
20:30:12 [Muz]: Ah
20:30:14 [rainmo]: and 'mr moonlight'
20:30:34 [Muz]: Thought there was something awry with the servers or something
20:30:44 [rainmo]: nei da
20:30:59 [Muz]: :)
20:31:45 [Freso]: nikki_: en:day after tomorrow = de:Ãœbermorgen = da:overmorgen
20:31:54 [Shepard]: <Muz> What's wrong with last.fm? <- everything? :o
20:32:15 [nikki_]: Freso: I know what it means, but english still doesn't have a word for it :P
20:33:24 [Freso]: nikki_: Oh. I thought you meant that Scandinavian didn't. :x
20:33:50 [nikki_]: no, I meant that the scandinavians should invade and bring us a better language :P
20:33:55 [nikki_]: one that's easier to spell
20:33:59 [Muz]: Vikings :D
20:34:05 [rainmo]: hahahaha easy to spell
20:34:17 [Shepard]: de:Übermorgen <- not capitalised though :P
20:34:30 [rainmo]: its a thingy not a noun
20:35:25 [nikki_]: a time?
20:35:50 [rainmo]: how the hell do I know whats everything called :p
20:36:13 [nikki_]: well, actually, I just want something that doesn't spell the same sound in 500 different ways :P
20:36:17 [rainmo]: * rainmo remove's 'what' 's s and tacks it onto everything
20:36:37 [rainmo]: or something
20:36:42 [rainmo]: nikki: we have that to
20:36:50 [rainmo]: o can be both o, Ã¥ and Ã¸
20:36:56 [rainmo]: e can be both e and Ã¦
20:37:08 [rainmo]: no o can't be Ã¸
20:37:13 [rainmo]: but it can be Ã¥
20:37:31 [rainmo]: u can be o
20:37:42 [rainmo]: sukker is pronounced sokker
20:37:50 [Shepard]: * Shepard helps mo in the household by adding a relationship "mo performs vacuum cleaner on his floor" and voting on his dirt remove edits a bit
20:37:58 [rainmo]: and sukker can be both to sigh and sugar
20:38:50 [srotta]: If I remember correct, in Swedish ä is pronounced as e. Except when it's in front of r; then it's ä. Except if the word is 'är', then it's e.
20:38:53 [srotta]: :P
20:39:00 [nikki_]: well, finnish then
20:39:02 [rainmo]: exactly
20:39:07 [rainmo]: eek finnshi
20:39:08 [nikki_]: anything's gotta be better than english :P
20:39:10 [Muz]: Finnish is a hog's eye of a language
20:39:18 [nikki_]: finnish makes me giggle
20:39:22 [srotta]: I find it quite easy ;)
20:39:25 [Muz]: Aaaahhhhaaakllaaaaasasaaa
20:39:26 [rainmo]: karkaprrika!
20:39:29 [nikki_]: you would :P
20:39:30 [rainmo]: or somethimg
20:39:35 [Muz]: That's probably a word in Finnish... :P
20:39:43 [Muz]: Too many a's :/
20:39:46 [srotta]: Sounds more like Dutch.
20:39:54 [rainmo]: flaahdaablaa
20:40:12 [rainmo]: we have a few words with double vovels
20:40:22 [rainmo]: but they are both pronounced. like in japanese
20:40:28 [Muz]: Haistakaa paskaa
20:40:43 [Muz]: There's a umlaut or two in there somewhere, just I can't find it on my keyboard
20:40:56 [srotta]: Nope, no umlauts there.
20:41:02 [nikki_]: * nikki_ gives muy a german keyboard
20:41:02 [Muz]: Oh
20:41:06 [nikki_]: muz even
20:41:09 [rainmo]: Âµ
20:41:19 [rainmo]: Ï€
20:41:20 [Muz]: Aren't z and y the wrong way wrong on a .de keyboard?
20:41:22 [Shepard]: µ :D
20:41:25 [Muz]: Or something to that effect?
20:41:28 [nikki_]: yes
20:41:29 [rainmo]: qwertz :o
20:41:34 [nikki_]: qwertz! yxcvb!
20:41:40 [Muz]: Arg
20:41:45 [rainmo]: x?!
20:41:49 [rainmo]: cvb?
20:41:50 [rainmo]: wtf
20:41:56 [nikki_]: it's not so bad, I can do the y now, but still keep typing y for z
20:42:04 [Muz]: I noticed :P
20:42:06 [Shepard]: qwertzuiopü
20:42:08 [Muz]: /nick Muy
20:42:10 [Muz]: :P
20:42:10 [Shepard]: asdfghjklöä
20:42:14 [Shepard]: yxcvbnm
20:42:17 [rainmo]: asdfghjklÃ¸Ã¦
20:42:19 [rainmo]: :p
20:42:25 [nikki_]: you missed the ÃŸ! :O
20:42:34 [rainmo]: klÃ¸Ã¦ LOL
20:42:35 [Muz]: * Muz can't see any of this unicode fun
20:42:36 [Shepard]: it's not in those rows
20:42:41 [rainmo]: lol unicoce
20:42:44 [rainmo]: code*
20:42:49 [nikki_]: but it's the best part about your keyboard!
20:42:54 [rainmo]: ÃŸ !!
20:43:19 [rainmo]: zxcvbnm
20:43:42 [rainmo]: qwertyuiopÃ¥
20:43:45 [rainmo]: asdfghjklÃ¸Ã¦
20:43:48 [rainmo]: zxcvbnm
20:43:56 [rainmo]: well that was fun
20:43:59 [rainmo]: :p
20:44:24 [nikki_]: Muz: need to configure your client then :P
20:44:42 [rainmo]: * rainmo wants to use guess case on last.fm
20:44:45 [Muz]: I would, but I so rarely use irssi, it's not worth the hassle
20:44:50 [rainmo]: * rainmo â™ª Sir Lord Baltimore - Lady Of Fire (last.fm) (0:0-1) â™ª
20:44:58 [rainmo]: of of of! not Of
20:45:00 [nikki_]: it's easy though...
20:45:09 [rainmo]: * rainmo makes it worth is
20:45:12 [rainmo]: mÃ¸Ã¸Ã¸se!
20:45:18 [Muz]: Still can't be arsed :P
20:45:23 [rainmo]: arse
20:45:32 [Muz]: I'll be back on XChat once this apt-get dist-upgrade is done
20:45:42 [rainmo]: * rainmo tempts muz with a moose
20:45:50 [rainmo]: hmm xchat
20:45:55 [Muz]: Mmm moose
20:46:19 [rainmo]: mÃ¸Ã¶ÃŸE
20:47:07 [Freso]: Elg.
20:47:13 [rainmo]: elg
20:47:35 [Freso]: rainmo: You should hear Afenginn's "Elg suite".
20:47:38 [rainmo]: mz: my mom told me to tell you that our moosesall have blue eyes
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20:48:18 [rainmo]: all our mooses*
20:48:43 [Muz]: Blue eyed moose :o
20:48:44 [rainmo]: also to ak if you like scandinavian or american mooses the best
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21:03:46 [Freso]: rainmo: http://musicbrainz.org/release/fe6c5b20-2ec5-42a0-9097-329d8fbd8da8.html - Track 12-14 make up the "Elg suite".
21:07:30 [BrianG]: all you mooses are belong to ooses?
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21:12:11 [ruaok]: * ruaok beams
21:12:12 [ruaok]: http://metabrainz.org/finances/donations.html
21:12:24 [rainmo]: :)
21:22:50 [intgr]: Oh, people have been talking about that donation for months.
21:22:54 [intgr]: I thought it had already happened
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21:49:30 [rainmo]: * rainmo â™ª Testament - Practice What You Preach (last.fm) (0:0-1) â™ª
21:52:28 [Muz]: * Muz :: WarCry - El Amor de Una Madre "Directo a la Luz"
21:53:57 [rainmo]: * rainmo â™ª Nancy Sinatra - Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down) (last.fm) (0:0-1) â™ª
21:54:24 [Muz]: * Muz mooses yonder
22:00:21 [rainmo]: * rainmo goes to bed
22:00:24 [rainmo]: rainmo is now known as nightgroove
22:00:30 [nightgroove]: natta
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22:00:38 [nikki_]: nos da!
22:00:42 [nightgroove]: :D
22:00:42 [Muz]: Nattamo
22:00:44 [nightgroove]: ZZzzD
22:00:45 [Shepard]: natta!
22:02:16 [Muz]: YYyyD
22:02:41 [Shepard]: tullemuy
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22:16:26 [VxJasonxV]: ugggggh
22:16:28 [VxJasonxV]: crawling :(
22:16:37 [VxJasonxV]: and picard has ~20 files to lookup and fill in before I can cluster and start working
22:16:47 [VxJasonxV]: 27
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22:19:11 [Freso]: Crawling indeed...
22:19:22 [VxJasonxV]: :(
22:19:25 [VxJasonxV]: someone kick something please
22:19:25 [Muz]: Muz has quit
22:19:27 [Freso]: What's taking the server down?
22:19:37 [VxJasonxV]: this is agonizing, for the simple reason that I just want picard to finish
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22:21:35 [VxJasonxV]: 24...
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22:21:52 [Prodoc]: Hi
22:22:03 [Prodoc]: are there server updates taking place at the moment?
22:22:14 [VxJasonxV]: no
22:22:15 [Prodoc]: everything is very sloooooow
22:22:23 [VxJasonxV]: we know :P
22:22:30 [Prodoc]: causing 502 errors
22:22:39 [Prodoc]: ok :-)
22:23:28 [Freso]: Is anything hitting the servers right now?
22:23:37 [Freso]: Slashdot? Last.fm?
22:24:48 [ruaok]: * ruaok goes to investiage
22:24:56 [ruaok]: invetigate even
22:25:01 [ruaok]: * ruaok pulls a mo
22:25:18 [Muz]: :P
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22:36:39 [ruaok]: * ruaok wishes he knew what make apache tip over
22:36:42 [ruaok]: things are better now.
22:36:46 [ruaok]: I'll keep my eye on things.
22:37:01 [Prodoc]: cheers ruaok
22:37:14 [ruaok]: np
22:39:29 [Prodoc]: I was in the middle of a series of edits, if I stop now I'll forget to finish it tomorrow ;-)
22:40:48 [nikki_]: well, shep can't decide, should we watch monty python or red dwarf?
22:40:58 [Muz]: Watch Monty Dwarf
22:41:13 [Prodoc]: I agree with muz here
22:41:17 [Shepard]: are there red pythons?
22:42:54 [ruaok]: * ruaok snickers
22:43:01 [ruaok]: here is a snipped from an email I just got:
22:43:02 [ruaok]: "I've checked the Muze and AMG databases, but none of them has the coverage that you do have for Italian CDs."
22:43:21 [ruaok]: * ruaok sends thanks to the italian supporters
22:44:25 [Muz]: Ooh Italian stuff
22:44:35 [Muz]: Was using that today, Elio e le Storie Tese I think it was
22:44:43 [Muz]: Tagging their discography to put up on the last.fm servers
22:45:43 [nikki_]: :D
22:45:57 [nikki_]: * nikki_ likes lots of foreign stuff :D
22:46:10 [Muz]: It's humourous stuff
22:46:36 [Prodoc]: is it possible to specify that a person was a member of a band except for 7 years in between?
22:46:42 [Muz]: Really crazy stories/opera things in the lyrics with a variety of instruments :P Our resident Swiss Italian was harping on about it
22:46:59 [nikki_]: nah, I just like it becoming less english-centric
22:47:10 [Prodoc]: I can only specify begin and end dates
22:47:18 [Muz]: Heck, we have a Japanese version of the site now!
22:47:31 [Prodoc]: or is it possible to add the person twice?
22:47:37 [Muz]: Other languages are on their way ;)
22:49:49 [Prodoc]: d*mn...it even works... :-D
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22:52:04 [Prodoc]: what should be done about names like 'Addie "Micki" Harris'? Should it be added as is? I can't find any reference that leaves out the micki part
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23:00:35 [Keiron]: I don't suppose there are alternate servives for Classic tagger?
23:01:02 [Keiron]: I figure I should ask before I start tagging the 3,000 songs it didn't catch (not bad, as my collection is pretty weird)
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23:13:48 [Freso]: Keiron: What do you mean?
23:16:36 [Keiron]: I wasnm't sure if there were any "fan-run" databases for the music
23:16:46 [Keiron]: I know the musicbrainz one is already community based
23:17:05 [Keiron]: but I figured I'd ask for any other options, before I start the rather grisly path of renaming all of them by hand
23:18:18 [Keiron]: I suppose I should ask in Picard is better that finding tracks as well, although to be honest I coudn't work out how to get it to do what classic seems to do readly
23:22:39 [Prodoc]: time for a nap, goodnight
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23:38:31 [Freso]: Keiron: I believe there is being work done in making Picard able to behave more like the Classic tagger. I've only ever used Picard meself though, so I wouldn't know what I was missing from the Classic Tagger. :)
23:41:41 [Keiron]: I'm prolly just not see'ing the option, but with classic I load up a directory of music it checks the songs, finds the matches from the acoustic points, and then asks me to save em
23:41:56 [Keiron]: with Picard, it seems to want me to goto the website and do it by album
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23:46:15 [Keiron]: Using the cluster options as reccominded in the help guide
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