IRC log of musicbrainz on 2006-10-23

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[Global Notice] Hi all, we've had quite a few people asking whether the memorial site for Rob Levin (lilo) is online yet, and I am happy to inform you all that you can now leave your condolences and read what others have to say over at http://lilo.freenode.net Have a good evening and thank you for using freenode!
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oh shit. last.fm concert features are sick!
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06:25:56 [VxJasonxV]
wow
06:26:00 [VxJasonxV]
I DO NOT like FreeDB2 :X
06:26:04 [VxJasonxV]
it doesn't do partial matching
06:28:32 [dholmes]
I haven't used FreeDB in ages
06:28:44 [VxJasonxV]
I FreeDB import so often
06:28:50 [VxJasonxV]
it's a terrific starting point
06:29:05 [dholmes]
I used to, but nowadays I find it to be less useful
06:29:47 [VxJasonxV]
I still have plenty of albums in my niche to import
06:29:53 [VxJasonxV]
Do you do less importing and more ARing ?
06:30:22 [dholmes]
A bit, but I still do a lot of importing
06:30:35 [dholmes]
But now the things I import are less likely to be in FreeDB
06:30:52 [dholmes]
And even when they are, FreeDB can be kinda spotty in quality at times
06:31:16 [dholmes]
Usually I find it just as easy to use the track parser
06:31:48 [VxJasonxV]
I use the track parser, but a lot of the source data is not well formed
06:32:05 [VxJasonxV]
so it just becomes as tedious as manually pasting
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brrp
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bluurg
09:07:57 [juhae]
Damn, krazykiwi has done some excellent AR work, but attributed them to a wrong artist. :)
09:08:32 [mudcrow]
my favourite mistake
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* Muz_ mooses in triumphantly
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Muz!
10:36:54 [Muz_]
Faux!
10:37:07 [FauxFaux]
*hides*
11:33:11 [slaad]
Is something up with MB at the moment?
11:38:58 [Muz_]
All da niggas in da hood be up wiv dat shizzle MB yo
11:39:00 [mudcrow]
hhmm. I think I may be in the shit
11:39:18 [slaad]
Ut oh!
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mudcrow broke something! I'm telling!
11:39:59 [mudcrow]
huh? I'm more worried about getting something broke
11:44:55 [BrianG]
WWDSD?
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Wow, MB have forums now?
16:20:01 [Freso]
rowaasr13: Aye. :)
16:23:07 [rowaasr13]
Huh, guess I was away from social part of MB for some time. :) Ok, that's perfect place to post some thoughts I had today. Meanwhile, if anyone wants to place some "no" votes on japanese->romanization track moves, you can find some there: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&automod=&mod_type=10&moderator_type=0&moderator_id=126407&voter_type=0&voter_id=126407&artist_type=3&artist_id=365786&orderby=desc&minid=&m
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rowaasr13: "No edits found matching the current selection"
17:43:28 [mudcrow]
cos you were too slow warp :p already been voted on
17:43:48 [warp]
aw :(
17:45:27 [mudcrow]
don't worry, there's lots of other edits to vote on
17:45:43 [warp]
* warp checks
17:46:41 [warp]
nope, only 1 for me.
17:46:49 [warp]
i probably need more subscriptions :)
17:47:10 [mudcrow]
you could vote on mine :p
17:47:47 [Kerensky97]
I was going to vote on all those but they already had two, and 5 days before the edit ran out. I was holding off voting so he would have had the option to cancell the edits and wouldn't be saddled with 20 no votes on his record. :(
17:48:24 [warp]
nothing wrong with no votes on your record.
17:48:37 [mudcrow]
I only have 2
17:48:45 [warp]
builds character
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;)
17:49:13 [warp]
* warp has 3 voted down.
17:49:50 [Kerensky97]
I've seen many users and many auto-mods use their superior no vote count to claim they're right. It's not right and people shouldn't think like that but it could be enough to turn a new editor away.
17:50:06 [warp]
and only 1 edits failed for other reasons, i thought i had more.
17:50:55 [warp]
Kerensky97: ah, having no votes just means they're doing safe edits. not everyone has the same opinion, i'll put something up for vote if i'm not sure and see no problem in being voted down.
17:51:23 [mudcrow]
I never judge anyone by how many no-votes they have. If you're not checking everyday its easy to get a whole load of no-votes with not much chance to do anything
17:51:52 [smgoller]
what artist was this for?
17:52:27 [mudcrow]
japanese artist, changing all the tracks to a translit name
17:52:38 [smgoller]
boo
17:53:00 [smgoller]
anything in english i can search on to find em? :)
17:54:21 [mudcrow]
I would search my voting history to see what artist/editor it was. but theres far too much to get it to load at this time of day
17:54:45 [warp]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/artist/?artistid=365786
17:55:17 [warp]
rowaasr13's link contains the artistid
17:56:51 [mudcrow]
moderator id 126407
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who do i bother about bugs in the wiki? :)
18:28:42 [mudcrow]
http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/
18:32:42 [warp]
Component: WikiDocs I guess?
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done.
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18:42:46 [zout]
please vote on http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5844900 . I want to see what happens when two albuma with an AR connecting them is merged
18:43:47 [luks]
the AR will be removed
18:44:59 [zout]
cool
18:45:07 [zout]
well, albums have to merged anyway
18:45:57 [luks]
warp: delete the trailing space from "=== 이정현 === "
18:47:34 [warp]
luks: argh.. that simple :S
18:47:37 [warp]
thanks
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* ruaok limps in feeling under the weather
18:53:46 [Kerensky97]
I think there's something going around, everybody all over is feeling under the weather.
18:57:37 [zout]
Japanese readers: is http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=277581 the same as http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=395049 ? if so, please go ahead and merge
18:57:42 [ruaok]
yuyp.
18:57:56 [ruaok]
I've got lots of friends that are fighting it.
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* ruaok waves at zout
18:58:34 [warp]
fighting it?
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trying to not get the full effect of it.
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zinc lozengens and such.
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I'm hoping to not let mine get full blown.
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aaah, i thought the yup and fighting it were responses to zout. I missed kerensky97's line.
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:D
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hi ruaok
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hiya!
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hi
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20:52:14 [BrianG]
can someone add the Qt Picard to the version list on trac?
20:53:12 [BrianG]
er wait.. i just enter the milestone?
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Can a few people give this merge a look? http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5801473
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done
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21:47:18 [Freso]
Eh... I didn't just want no votes for it. My own would've been quite sufficient. :x
21:47:35 [Freso]
I just wanted some feedback on the policy on the matter.
21:47:54 [chb]
dunno - I trusted your info and this is my first time voting :-p
21:48:52 [catgruff]
do you want me to vote 'ye's to keep it open?
21:49:02 [Freso]
chb: Don't trust my info. :) I stated explicitly that I'm not sure of the policy in this area.
21:49:09 [Freso]
catgruff: Yes, please.
21:49:20 [mudcrow]
wonders how it can be called 20 greatest hits, have 20 tracks AND be disc 2?
21:49:30 [Freso]
catgruff: It'll fail anyway in less than 24 hours, but that'll give them time to cancel it themselves if they want to.
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* catgruff nods
21:50:06 [Freso]
mudcrow: That's actually a good point. That's why I wanted more eyes on this! :D Thank you. :)
21:50:11 [Freso]
Oh well.
21:50:24 [Freso]
* Freso opens a Google instance and digs in...
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catgruff: Actually, I could've changed my own to abstain. Oh well. :)
21:52:10 [catgruff]
also
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* catgruff waves at ruaok
21:52:44 [mudcrow]
have fun, theres only a few Dubliners greatest hits releases. I think I have about 5 titled that
21:52:55 [mudcrow]
(a few hundred) :p
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* ruaok waves at catgruff
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21:53:16 [Fuss]
hi everybody, after several months of using the classic tagger quite intensively, I just gave Picard another try. So I tried with a few albums (one at a time). When I follow the 'HowToTagFilesWithPicard' help file, there is no possibility to send the (not yet existing) PUIDs to musicbrainz. When I don't 'cluster' the album, the 'submit tagged information' button can be clicked and the PUID's are sent; however this is an annoying way to tag sin
21:53:55 [Freso]
mudcrow: Oh really? I think I only have... three.
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mudcrow: But plenty of VA releases with the Dubliners though, and a few non-compilation ones as well...
21:55:01 [mudcrow]
I have a couple of original 60's vinyl releases and quite a few cassette releases by them
21:55:07 [ruaok]
Fuss: I'm not sure I fully understand. What about clustering or not clusterong?
21:55:25 [Freso]
mudcrow: Oh well. It seems that there have been (at least) one 2-disc release titled "20 Greatest Hits"... can't verify disc length or track order though.
21:55:47 [Freso]
mudcrow: I was but a wee lad in the LP era. :)
21:57:18 [catgruff]
LP <3
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* Freso fwaps catgruff
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Not Linkin Park...
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erh? o.O
21:57:38 [Freso]
Dork.
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ruaok: when I cluster the files from my album (which resides on mb, but has no PUIDs yet), I can tag my files in an easy way, but there is no possibility to send the PUID's to musibrainz.. when I don't cluster the files (this way I have the files from the faultly indicated album to the album I imported in the tagger), the possibility to submit tagged information is there
21:57:47 [catgruff]
wtf linking park?
21:57:52 [Freso]
catgruff: :p
21:58:03 [Fuss]
so I'd like to send the PUID's to musicbrainz
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* Freso pats catgruff
21:58:07 [Freso]
catgruff: Sorry. :)
21:58:14 [ruaok]
Fuss: ahh yes.
21:58:21 [Fuss]
but the Picatd application doesn't allow me to do so, when I follow the howto
21:58:31 [ruaok]
the simple answer: don't worry about it for right now.
21:58:35 [Fuss]
Picard*
21:58:53 [ruaok]
the thing is that you side-step the PUID process by tagging with clustering.
21:59:02 [ruaok]
it would take longer to tag via PUID.
21:59:12 [catgruff]
I meant Long Play http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_play
21:59:25 [ruaok]
lukas is rewriting picard as we speak, and the flow of tagging will probably change a little in the process.
21:59:44 [ruaok]
I think we should re-examine this issue when the picard rewrite hits the ground.
21:59:55 [Fuss]
ruaok: ok, so is there a possibility to generate PUID's from correctly tagged (mb-artist, mb-album, ...) files and submit them?
21:59:56 [catgruff]
picard rewrite <3
22:00:47 [ruaok]
no not currently.
22:01:01 [catgruff]
there isn't?
22:01:18 [Fuss]
ok but the dev team is planning to do so?
22:01:27 [catgruff]
I just do the thing and select 'force save, drag things up there again and hit puidsing, but maybe that's different
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catgruff: I know you did.
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Freso: dust :P
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catgruff: Dust? :x
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ok, tulling da
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:)
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:)-
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dust to dust, funk to funky, we know Major Tom's a junkie
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wtflol mudcrow
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catgruff: when I choose 'force save', the submit button is still grayed out
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you needto move it up to unclustered again ..
22:04:19 [Fuss]
ok let's see
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if not it may be that it doesn't *have* a puid
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another crash :)
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:(
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uff
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Picard is quite unstable
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strange
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in the 3 hours I tried to use it, it crashed 5 times
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its been *extreamably* stable for me since 0.7.
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what OS fuss?
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WinXP SP2, Picard version 0.7.0
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most of the unstable ness in picard is apparently wx widgets thingy
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with the qy picard most those bugs will go away
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is there a roadmap for the next version?
22:09:36 [catgruff]
basically if it crashes or hangs when you use the interfave, click a button ,drag and drop etc
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its wx widgets
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uhhmm..
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Traceback (most recent call last):
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File "picard\tagger.pyc", line 692, in OnTimer
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File "picard\album.pyc", line 303, in checkTrackUnsaved
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AssertionError
22:10:17 [catgruff]
there is a wikipage around luks' page..
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luks is your man there
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ok I'll have a look, thanks
22:11:04 [catgruff]
luks is in europe, he should be sleeping
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as i shoukd
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up early tomorrow
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ehh.. today
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natta folks
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sleep tight
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* Freso should be sleeping a swell as well...
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G'night all!
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Erk... *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/python: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0000000003cb4810 ***
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* ruaok didn't do it
22:38:16 [intgr]
Good thing it's reproducible.
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Man, Picard takes a while to start up within valgrind.
22:42:16 [Kerensky97]
Does ieatbrainz use PUIDs or TRMs?
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TRMs.
22:43:04 [intgr]
I don't think it has been been developed since MusicIP appeared.
22:43:11 [yllona]
Kerensky97: ieatbrainz uses TRMS, afaik
22:43:15 [Kerensky97]
That''s what I thought.
22:43:33 [yllona]
i haven't checked to see if it's been upgraded
22:44:07 [Kerensky97]
I had the feeling it was a bit dated.
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I just wish a Mac Picard was available.
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Kerensky97: in due time.
22:44:53 [ruaok]
with picardQT we're getting a lot closer.
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Port-it-yourself!
22:45:41 [intgr]
Gah, and each fingerprint analysis takes twice that.
22:46:16 [Kerensky97]
I saw the pics for the updated Picard interface, looks good.
22:55:13 [intgr]
Where should libofa errors be submitted?
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Ping luks.
23:00:44 [Fuss]
hm another Picard crash
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:/
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libofa, not Picard. :)
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#4 0x00002b43cf6ea415 in Signal_op::RemoveSilence () from /usr/lib/libofa.so.0
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doesn't matter in what component
23:07:54 [intgr]
But it does matter that the component is written by a third party - Music IP, unrelated to MusicBrainz/MetaBrainz. :)
23:10:52 [Fuss]
as a dev it does matter, but as an end user i don't think it does, it "just crashed"
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But hey, I'm not a regular user. ;)
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:)
23:16:26 [ruaok]
intgr: its not quite unrelated. I personally worked on libofa. :)
23:18:04 [Fuss]
so we have to blame ruaok for the crashes!
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* Muz_ crashes a moose into Fuss's shins
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=)
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hmm as a european i should go to sleep now
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byebye!
23:22:32 [zout]
me too
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bye!
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* ruaok wonders if he should go to bed too. afterall he is european too
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