IRC log of musicbrainz on 2006-10-25

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00:34:43 [nightgroove]
hmm fish
00:34:44 [nightgroove]
<3
00:35:40 [Muz_]
Hmm moose
00:35:41 [Muz_]
<3
00:35:44 [nightgroove]
lol
00:35:46 [nightgroove]
:p
00:35:58 [Muz_]
4 and a half more hours then I catch my train home :)
00:37:38 [nightgroove]
natta
00:37:40 [nightgroove]
:o
00:37:44 [nightgroove]
(natt
00:37:49 [nightgroove]
nei
00:37:51 [Muz_]
Nattamo
00:37:57 [nightgroove]
natta muz
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* Muz_ replaces mo's pillow with a moose
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Are puids actually generated, or just returned by the MusicIP server? In other words, is it possible for a song to not have a puid?
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01:28:59 [inhouseuk]
BlueLaguna: they are returned. If you are getting (no puid) appear in picard, you need to run the files through musicIP mixer http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/HowPUIDsWork http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/MusicIPMixer
01:29:24 [BlueLaguna]
Hmm, I see
01:30:52 [inhouseuk]
it can take upto 24 hours for the puids to be available after processing the files by musicip mixer
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02:22:21 [Jetpack]
i been submitting puid's like crazy
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07:16:14 [BrianG]
luks: "CD lookup not implemented. You need to have ctypes and libdiscid installed." -- is it not implemented because i don't have those installed? or is it just not implemented?
07:16:58 [luks]
because you don't have installed those
07:18:07 [intgr]
Heh, that's a misleading statement indeed.
07:18:48 [luks]
python-musicbrainz just raises an NotImplementedError, and I'm very lazy to think about error messages :)
07:20:33 [BrianG]
i get ctypes from python-musicbrainz2?
07:23:18 [luks]
sudo apt-get install python-ctypes
07:23:40 [warp]
if band A collaborates on one track of an album by band B, should I make an A & B artist to indicate the collaboration, or would it be better to enter some ARs ?
07:24:08 [luks]
libdiscid will be probably a problem, but you could try `wget http://users.musicbrainz.org/~luks/tmp/deb-libdiscid-0.1.0-1/libdiscid0_0.1.0-1_i386.deb && dpkg -i libdiscid0_0.1.0-1_i386.deb`
07:28:05 [BrianG]
thanks
07:28:20 [BrianG]
i had the python-ctypes
07:44:04 [BrianG]
working nicely, sweet.
08:04:32 [BrianG]
wikipedia wants to buy patents
08:05:48 [BrianG]
oh copyrights
08:06:54 [BrianG]
is cddbs fuzzy discids a copyright or patent?
08:07:20 [luks]
pattent
08:07:23 [luks]
-t
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08:46:12 [BrianG]
i knew that :)
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09:26:13 [chancey]
for the new picard - does "Fixed CD lookup" mean that the problem of wrecking tags on some albums is fixed?
09:27:07 [chancey]
luks?
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10:55:11 [mudcrow]
wow 3 minutes for my discogs edit to be accepted. must be a record :)
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11:20:27 [Muz]
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11:24:24 [Schika]
mudcrow, http://www.discogs.com/history?release_id=205447 (4 edits all accepted within a minute)
11:26:38 [mudcrow]
bah. I never win anything :(
11:28:19 [mudcrow]
discogs has stepped up a gear recently. I've had loads of releases accepted in the last few weeks
11:31:42 [Schika]
your discogs name?
11:33:17 [Schika]
nevermind ... found you there
11:33:18 [mudcrow]
mudcrow
11:33:26 [mudcrow]
not too hard to figure :p
11:35:20 [Schika]
http://www.discogs.com/subs/view/2113011 you could use the new ANV function to match how the artist appear on the release
11:37:55 [mudcrow]
yep, I was going to do that when I scanned the cover.
11:38:35 [mudcrow]
I just need to find the single again
11:44:15 [mudcrow]
hmm I'm sure these things breed. I have 3 copies of that single. I can't remember buying one let alone 3
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11:50:46 [Schika]
I guess you love that song
11:52:28 [mudcrow]
not really. I just fancied Claire Grogan at the time :p
11:53:28 [Schika]
hehehe
12:09:12 [nightgroove]
hmm elgkalver
12:10:22 [FauxFaux]
nightgroove!
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12:56:51 [nightgroove]
ja?
12:57:58 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux wuffles.
12:58:07 [nightgroove]
eehh..
12:58:23 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux ruffles the wuffled.
12:58:40 [nightgroove]
oh, you're in that kind of a mood
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hi
13:13:01 [Schika]
hi zout !
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hi
13:14:53 [Freso]
I love when obituaries containing nothing but the month of the passing away...
13:14:55 [Freso]
*contain
13:16:38 [zout]
Freso: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5731664
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13:41:06 [Freso]
How does one disable blinking in Firefox? :x
13:42:31 [FauxFaux]
How can that release have trm, puid, disc id, total length but no track times? :|
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13:44:25 [zout]
FauxFaux: I just moved the disc ids, removed the track times and moved the disc id back.
13:44:46 [zout]
some false track times already set prevented the server from filling in the track times from the disc id
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13:45:06 [FauxFaux]
Aha.
13:45:22 [mudcrow]
Abba
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13:45:51 [FauxFaux]
Axxxxa.
13:45:56 [FauxFaux]
Ah crap.
13:45:59 [FauxFaux]
I can't count /twice/.
13:46:04 [mudcrow]
Aqua
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Aliyaah
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14:11:05 [zout]
hmmm
14:11:27 [zout]
compare the second edit on http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?artist_type=3&artist_id=254671&orderby=desc with http://musicbrainz.org/show/artist/?artistid=254671
14:11:38 [zout]
why the unicode problem?
14:12:43 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux sees it too.
14:14:28 [mudcrow]
I've seen a few like that, wasn't sure if it was my end causing it not to display correctly
14:15:15 [FauxFaux]
Both are being served as utf-8.
14:16:51 [nightgroove]
yepp, I see the problem too
14:17:31 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux sees a Capital-A-with-tilde and a crossed-out o.
14:17:40 [nightgroove]
Sächsische S
14:17:46 [FauxFaux]
Yeah.
14:18:10 [nightgroove]
arears merged in artist merges?
14:18:30 [nightgroove]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5838742
14:18:38 [FauxFaux]
It's there even without js.
14:19:51 [nightgroove]
nobody knows if AR's are merged in artistmerges?
14:20:00 [mudcrow]
yes
14:20:02 [zout]
nightgroove: they are merged
14:20:10 [nightgroove]
danke, that's all I need
14:23:05 [nightgroove]
* nightgroove dances around woth a moose
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with
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http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5847404
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14:51:21 [Freso]
I found her year of passing away!
14:51:26 [nightgroove]
o.O
14:51:40 [nightgroove]
hvafforno?
14:51:55 [Freso]
nightgroove: http://musicbrainz.org/show/artist/?artistid=188263
14:52:18 [nightgroove]
åh ,sånn
14:52:25 [Freso]
I've managed to find several sites stating she's died, even one stating she passed away in May, but not a single one saying what year...
14:52:27 [Freso]
Until now!
14:52:35 [nightgroove]
wee!
14:52:46 [nightgroove]
er well
14:52:51 [nightgroove]
yopu know what I mean
14:52:51 [Freso]
She has, or had, a nice voice though. :/
14:53:35 [Muz]
elgkalver
14:53:43 [nightgroove]
elger!
14:53:50 [Muz]
Kalv!
14:53:52 [nightgroove]
søte muz
14:53:59 [nightgroove]
elgkalver ja
14:55:15 [nightgroove]
rare muz ^-^
14:55:34 [nightgroove]
°_°
14:55:37 [nightgroove]
°-°
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°¯°
14:55:53 [Muz]
:o
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o:
15:00:33 [Schika]
bye ... |8-o
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15:46:57 [nightgroove]
muz?
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mo?
15:50:41 [zout]
can I have some quick votes on my Blur-remove-disc-id-edits?
15:50:44 [zout]
http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=68620
15:51:00 [zout]
if they're gone, it's much easier to correct the track times
15:51:06 [zout]
if -> when
16:01:14 [nightgroove]
hi, can I have some votes? http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5855966
16:04:10 [zout]
sure... if you vote on the edits listed above ;)
16:04:17 [nightgroove]
ok
16:04:26 [nightgroove]
sorry didn't notice there was a url there
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* nightgroove is earheaded
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air headed even
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17:49:52 [Freso]
Hm. How does one split an artist?
17:50:02 [nightgroove]
make new artistname, move over albums
17:50:08 [Muz]
With a knife
17:50:11 [nightgroove]
(and change track artistr9
17:50:18 [nightgroove]
aarg
17:50:34 [nightgroove]
need. bbcode. url.enactor. now
17:50:42 [nightgroove]
so annoying to type in by hand
17:50:47 [nightgroove]
pluss scared of error
17:50:50 [Freso]
nightgroove: Oh. Bugger.
17:51:02 [nightgroove]
why this?
17:54:18 [Freso]
There's a Gerry O'Connor playing Irish fiddle and there's a Gerry O'Connor playing Irish banjo... and fiddle.
17:55:38 [nightgroove]
ersj
17:56:34 [nightgroove]
whoo. my first topic http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=308
17:59:25 [Freso]
And I also just realised that I should've realised this before adding all the stuff to the current Gerry O'Connor, but oh well.
18:01:35 [zout_away]
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18:01:40 [zout]
luks ?
18:01:45 [luks]
yes?
18:02:34 [zout]
I've replied to the thread about release country in 0.7.2
18:04:01 [Freso]
If there's "Track Title (live)" which is really several tunes, should it be "Track Title (live): Tune 1 / Tune n" or "Track Title: Tune 1 / Tune n (live)"?
18:04:31 [nightgroove]
"Track Title: Tune 1 / Tune n (live)" i would think
18:04:53 [Freso]
I'm just thinking that one might confuse "Tune n" with the one being live then...
18:05:00 [nightgroove]
ahm..
18:05:08 [nightgroove]
i se your poinbt
18:05:16 [nightgroove]
an annotiation, me thinks
18:17:07 [Yurim]
Hi folks! I'v got two best of-albums named "... Vol. 1" and "... Vol. 2". Schould they be entered that way or as "... (disc 1)" and "... (disc 2)"? They are avalable separately.
18:17:29 [luks]
"..., Volume 1" and "..., Volume 2"
18:18:06 [Yurim]
is this a guess or a standard?
18:18:16 [luks]
a standard :)
18:18:25 [Yurim]
thanks!
18:18:32 [luks]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/VolumeNumberStyle
18:18:36 [nightgroove]
why would volume x be entered as disc x
18:18:36 [nightgroove]
?
18:20:58 [zout]
luks: not just with the releases I mentioned
18:21:20 [zout]
all releases I tagged for the first time today don't have release country either :(
18:21:21 [luks]
I know, something is wrong but I have no idea what
18:22:08 [zout]
If it helps: if you let Picard reload them, it doesn't say something has changed when there's nog release country
18:22:54 [zout]
also, if mp3s contain the country tag, it doesn't say something needs to be changed (with *)
18:25:40 [luks]
zout: can you please test with this http://users.musicbrainz.org/~luks/picard-setup-0.7.2-2.exe ?
18:26:17 [zout]
sure
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downloading is very slow...
18:32:50 [zout]
luks: it's fixed!
18:33:02 [luks]
well
18:33:07 [luks]
and that's the problem
18:33:14 [luks]
i haven't changed anything
18:34:12 [zout]
?
18:34:20 [zout]
what did you let me download then?
18:34:37 [luks]
i just rebuilt the installed
18:34:48 [BrianG]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5856601 -- can i get some votes so someone dosen't edit one in the meantime failing the whole thing?
18:34:54 [luks]
no source changes, no library changes, ...
18:35:45 [luks]
hm, Italian, Latin? :)
18:35:50 [BrianG]
thanks
18:35:53 [zout]
BrianG: approved it
18:36:06 [BrianG]
they were luks, changed them to English
18:36:38 [luks]
I know, I was just wondering how can sombody mark en English release as Italian
18:36:43 [luks]
an
18:38:06 [zout]
the language guesser does that sometimes
18:39:35 [BrianG]
hmm i dunno. they do play Finiculi Finicula but i don't see it on those releases. heh
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* nightgroove waves
18:43:49 [zout]
hi ruaok
18:43:59 [nightgroove]
this mod looks worreing: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5856641 lookit the modders name
18:44:17 [ruaok]
hi alL!
18:44:23 [ruaok]
how are you zout, nightgroove?
18:44:39 [nightgroove]
* nightgroove has a headacke from battelign with the new TVdecoder
18:45:06 [nightgroove]
yarg new guy
18:45:13 [nightgroove]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?userid=262805
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* nightgroove 's headache increases
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18:46:29 [Kerensky97]
ewww.
18:46:30 [Kerensky97]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5856633
18:46:40 [intgr]
luks: Ideas? http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/2226
18:46:53 [intgr]
Doesn't look like it has anything to do with the overlay.
18:47:02 [nightgroove]
atleast it works now
18:47:14 [nightgroove]
but all lthechannels on the decoder are in black/white
18:47:38 [luks]
intgr: I've changed it just yesterday to wxversion.select(["2.6", "2.7"])
18:47:50 [intgr]
Ah.
18:47:59 [nightgroove]
I don't trust this ""testingthis"" guy to have picked the right track artists on these duplicated names...
18:48:19 [nightgroove]
http://musicbrainz.org/track/c1ec77a3-4a46-463c-9906-057ffc84d295.html
18:48:21 [nightgroove]
nice
18:48:28 [nightgroove]
no ending parentesis
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18:51:38 [BrianG]
funny.. these alternative light bulbs that save energy and thus saving the environment contain mercury
18:51:45 [nightgroove]
lol
18:51:49 [nightgroove]
:o
18:51:52 [nightgroove]
lost is on
18:51:56 [nightgroove]
bbiab
18:52:13 [ruaok]
anyone know of recent press coverage for MusicBrainz?
18:52:18 [BrianG]
don't push the button
18:52:19 [nightgroove]
no
18:52:22 [ruaok]
our servers are smoking right now. loads of traffic.
18:52:31 [Rexroom]
fun
18:52:33 [intgr]
luks: What should I do with libofa bugs, though?
18:53:00 [nightgroove]
its the first episode of the new seson
18:53:05 [nightgroove]
* nightgroove aways!
18:53:12 [intgr]
Or should I file a MusicBrainz ticket asking you to contact upstream?
18:57:00 [Kerensky97]
Not a big new release.
18:57:01 [Kerensky97]
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2006/10/20/5687
18:57:34 [Kerensky97]
maybe they get more traffic than they look or have been linked at digg.
18:58:08 [ruaok]
yeah, that link didn't do much.
18:58:16 [ruaok]
google news didn't have anything either.
18:58:27 [ruaok]
I'll look at the referrer logs tomorrow.
18:58:34 [intgr]
ruaok: Well, can't you see the referrers from HTTP logs?
18:58:38 [intgr]
Ah.
18:59:05 [ruaok]
the traffic spike started after midnight when the traffic analysis ran.
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19:21:04 [ruaok]
I didn't think it was possible to write python programs that leaked memory.
19:21:13 [ruaok]
I somehow managed to do just that. :-)
19:21:17 [ruaok]
* ruaok feels special
19:27:00 [ojnkpjg]
you must not use much software written in python :P
19:27:55 [Rexroom]
here's a braintwister for you
19:28:24 [Rexroom]
if a band rearranges and rerecords old tunes, is the end product an album or a compilation?
19:29:02 [ojnkpjg]
i'd vote album
19:29:20 [ojnkpjg]
since the audio is being released for the first time
19:29:48 [Kerensky97]
Yeah album if re-recorded. Compiliation if it's the same copy as the singl/album.
19:37:27 [Freso]
Rexroom: I've gone for album with the Dubliners...
19:37:59 [Freso]
(One has to be verrry careful with those old lads... you never know it's a compilation or an album. :x)
19:43:02 [zout]
can you guys please vote om my open Remove Disc ID edits at http://tinyurl.com/y6o8ru ? If they're gone, I can go and fix track times... Thanks!
19:45:57 [ruaok]
* ruaok voted
19:47:51 [ruaok]
zout: I was going to post the output of the script that inhouseuk posted once the next release was up.
19:48:13 [ruaok]
but I guess you're fixing some of these now anyway, huh?
19:49:55 [zout]
thanks for voting!
19:50:09 [zout]
I've fixed some 15, I think
19:50:32 [zout]
but it would be much much easier with the TakeTrackTimesFromDISCID edit or whatever it is called
19:50:56 [zout]
anyway, while editing I've come across a lot of bogus disc ids
19:51:32 [zout]
do you know what's the deal with the disc ids with all tracks 10 seconds long, and the last track very long (>50 minutes)?
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good evenin'
19:52:09 [ojnkpjg]
i've seen a few of those
19:52:14 [ojnkpjg]
i have no idea how they came about
19:52:24 [ojnkpjg]
maybe a software bug?
19:53:01 [flamingcow]
it's copy protection on the cd
19:53:17 [Prodoc]
luks, what's the official official name for Picard? I'd like to announce the latest release on a website to give the program and MusicBrainz some more attention
19:53:23 [flamingcow]
such as alphaaudio
19:53:28 [zout]
aha
19:53:36 [zout]
but they are bogus, right?
19:53:49 [Prodoc]
Picard, Picard Tagger, MusicBrainz Picard, MusicBrainz Picard Tagger
19:54:04 [luks]
Prodoc: I don't know :)
19:54:10 [Prodoc]
haha
19:55:19 [flamingcow]
zout: it's designed so computer cd drives read them that way, and simpler audio player drives read them with the real times
19:55:22 [flamingcow]
and yes, they're bogus
19:55:35 [zout]
OK
19:55:38 [zout]
thanks for the info
19:55:54 [Prodoc]
I take it the only person who could know, if it was ever officially decided, is ruaok?
19:56:13 [luks]
yes
19:56:15 [zout]
this is a great release: http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=120145
19:56:21 [zout]
5 disc ids, 4 are bad ;)
19:56:28 [Prodoc]
* Prodoc prods ruaok
19:56:48 [ruaok]
zout: i know nothing of those funky 10 sec ids...
19:57:03 [Yurim]
Does anybody know if "Joe Turner" (http://musicbrainz.org/artist/37ea7719-c6a4-4c63-a6ac-c26a77955ad6.html) is really different from "Big Joe Turner" (http://musicbrainz.org/artist/b123ba15-c4a5-4281-8117-2e57f8f02496.html)?
19:57:20 [Prodoc]
ruaok, what's the official official name for Picard? I'd like to announce the latest release on a website to give the program and MusicBrainz some more attention
19:57:28 [Prodoc]
Picard, Picard Tagger, MusicBrainz Picard, MusicBrainz Picard Tagger
19:58:01 [ruaok]
wasn't this officially decided on mb-users?
19:58:15 [Prodoc]
I don't know
19:59:26 [Rexroom]
what's new in 7.2?
20:00:06 [ruaok]
I think we decided that we'd use MusicBrainz Classic Tagger and MusicBrainz Picard Tagger
20:02:54 [Prodoc]
I can't find it as fast as I would like to in the archieves, I'll take your word for it then, thanks ;-)
20:03:43 [zout]
Prodoc: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2006-January/010945.html
20:03:50 [zout]
thread on the name starts there
20:04:06 [zout]
Rexroom: some bugfixes
20:04:11 [zout]
no new features
20:04:26 [Prodoc]
cheers zout
20:05:46 [zout]
ruoak: regarding the output inhouseuk sent
20:06:20 [zout]
would it be difficult the make a new script that does the same but doesn't check whether there are tracks with no track times.
20:06:27 [zout]
so checks all releases
20:06:54 [ruaok]
zout: shoudl't be too bad, I'd think.
20:06:56 [zout]
and lists releases that have more than one disc id, but wouldn't be able to pick track times because the disc ids differ too much
20:07:20 [zout]
that way, we'd be able to get a list of almost all bad entries/bogus disc ids
20:07:43 [zout]
and it would keep me busy for yet another year ;)
20:07:47 [ruaok]
lol
20:07:51 [ruaok]
I think we can do something there.
20:08:17 [Prodoc]
would it be in idea to use the official complete names on the website and in the program in a bit more consistent manner? ;-)
20:08:29 [ruaok]
enter a task request for me and I'll see what I can do.
20:09:01 [zout]
Prodoc: seems like a very good idea
20:09:12 [zout]
gives it all a more professional look
20:09:56 [Prodoc]
I'll add two tickets for Picard and the server
20:17:01 [Prodoc]
zout, the thread you referred to didn't get much response from different people, you and Björn Krombholz agreed it should be just Picard
20:17:35 [Prodoc]
'Picard - The MusicBrainz Tagger'
20:19:21 [Prodoc]
if that's what we are going to stick to I suggest we refer to just Picard on the MusicBrainz site and use MusicBrainz Picard outside of it, MusicBrainz being the creator and all
20:19:57 [Prodoc]
and keep tagger without a capital since it's not part of the title
20:20:22 [Prodoc]
any title
20:24:08 [zout]
so you suggest 'Picard' to use 'internally' and 'MusicBrainz Picard' externally and on the documentation and in the program
20:24:11 [zout]
?
20:25:49 [Prodoc]
'Picard' internally and in the documentation and 'MusicBrainz Picard' externally and in the program
20:26:07 [Prodoc]
or 'MusicBrainz Picard' in all cases
20:26:23 [Prodoc]
no 'tagger'
20:26:58 [zout]
sounds good too
20:29:33 [Prodoc]
maybe I should send an RFV to the style mailinglist?
20:31:25 [Prodoc]
yeah, I'd better, in that case more people will know about it and give their opinion
20:31:42 [zout]
true
20:31:52 [zout]
you can put my name under it
20:31:58 [zout]
if you like
20:32:18 [Prodoc]
for 'MusicBrainz Picard' then?
20:32:26 [Prodoc]
(just)
20:33:42 [zout]
yes
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20:47:30 [Prodoc]
zout, got a moment?
20:48:22 [zout]
ja
20:48:45 [Prodoc]
how's this for a tweakers intro? ;-)
20:48:51 [Prodoc]
MusicBrainz Picard is 'The next generation MusicBrainz tagging application' bedoeld voor het taggen van muziek bestanden op de computer. MusicBrainz Picard is speciaal geschreven om te gebruiken in combinatie met MusicBrainz. Dit maakt het mogelijk om meer dan alleen artiest, album titel en track titel weg te schrijven, dit in tegenstelling tot het gebruiken van bijvoorbeeld freedb.
20:48:53 [Prodoc]
In tegenstelling tot de meeste huidige beschikbare tagging programma's heeft MusicBrainz Picard een album georiënteerde aanpak in plaats van een track georiënteerde aanpak. Hoewel het concept even wennen is maakt dit het taggen uiteindelijk een stuk efficiënter.
20:48:54 [Prodoc]
Een grote bonus feature die het programma heeft is het zogenaamde 'audio fingerprinting'. Dit maakt het mogelijk audio bestanden automatisch te herkennen en op basis hiervan de nodige informatie binnen te halen van de MusicBrainz server.
20:49:39 [Freso]
Dutch?
20:49:44 [Prodoc]
aye
20:49:57 [Freso]
* Freso can understand it...
20:50:14 [zout]
I can ;)
20:50:49 [Prodoc]
should I include more detailed examples?
20:50:56 [Freso]
zout: Well, you *are* Dutch. You're supposed to understand it! I'm not Dutch, yet I understand it!
20:51:11 [Prodoc]
and is the text accurate?
20:51:17 [zout]
yes
20:51:33 [zout]
but some extra info on acoustic fingerprinting might be nice
20:51:36 [Freso]
Dutch is not supposed to be understandable unless you are Dutch yourself!
20:52:10 [zout]
well, half the terms are English ;)
20:52:17 [Prodoc]
Ok, I'll add and extra line on the fingerprinting
20:52:36 [zout]
and you have caught the English virus
20:52:38 [zout]
too
20:52:52 [Prodoc]
?
20:53:05 [zout]
'album titel' -> 'albumtitle'
20:53:11 [zout]
sorry, 'albumtitel'
20:53:18 [Prodoc]
hehe
20:53:31 [zout]
'album geori?nteerde' -> 'albumgeori?nteerde'
20:53:32 [zout]
etc
20:53:53 [Prodoc]
can you also give me some examples of additional info Picard can write to the files?
20:54:35 [zout]
release date
20:55:01 [Prodoc]
freedb has that, doesn't it?
20:55:21 [zout]
sometimes
20:55:29 [zout]
yeah, usually
20:55:48 [zout]
but also the unique identifiers so retagging when new info is added is very easy
20:56:44 [Prodoc]
release country? (sorry, haven't used picard for tagging myself)
20:57:08 [zout]
yes, from the oldest release date
20:57:31 [zout]
and of course release status and type
20:57:55 [zout]
and artist sortname
20:59:01 [zout]
Freso: you're from Denmark, right?
20:59:25 [Freso]
zout: Aye.
20:59:37 [Prodoc]
I'll add a note about more future capabilities
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Freso: reading Danish is much easier than hearing it
21:01:18 [zout]
for Dutch people anyway
21:01:43 [Freso]
zout: Probably the same with Dutch for Danes. ;)
21:01:53 [zout]
guess so
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zout: Specially since we're also taught German and English, and some French.
21:02:39 [zout]
we too
21:10:51 [Prodoc]
MusicBrainz Picard is speciaal geschreven om te gebruiken in combinatie met MusicBrainz. Dit maakt het mogelijk om meer dan alleen artiest, albumtitel, nummertitel, datum en genre weg te schrijven, dit in tegenstelling tot het gebruiken van bijvoorbeeld FreeDB. Hierbij valt te denken aan bijvoorbeeld het land van uitgave, artiestsorteernaam, albumstatus en albumtype (live, compilation,...
21:10:52 [Prodoc]
MusicBrainz Picard is 'The next generation MusicBrainz tagging application' bedoeld voor het taggen van muziekbestanden op de computer.
21:10:54 [Prodoc]
MusicBrainz heeft als doel een uitgebreide muziek-metadatabase op te bouwen, waarbij ze veel verder gaan dan alleen het opslaan van albums met de bevattende nummers.
21:10:56 [Prodoc]
...official, bootleg, etc.).
21:10:57 [Prodoc]
In tegenstelling tot de meeste huidige beschikbare tagging-programma's heeft MusicBrainz Picard een albumgeoriënteerde aanpak in plaats van een nummergeoriënteerde aanpak. Hoewel het concept even wennen is maakt dit het taggen uiteindelijk een stuk efficiënter.
21:10:59 [Prodoc]
Een grote bonus feature die het programma heeft is het zogenaamde 'audio fingerprinting'. Hiermee worden de audiobestand geanalyseerd en op basis van zijn unieke muziek eigenschappen krijgt het bestand een unieke identificatiesymbool. Dit maakt het mogelijk audio bestanden automatisch te herkennen en op basis hiervan de nodige informatie binnen te halen van de MusicBrainz server.
21:11:36 [Prodoc]
I think this catches the most important aspects, don't you think?
21:11:55 [Prodoc]
going into more detail will only cause confusion
21:12:16 [Prodoc]
or raise more questions
21:14:10 [zout]
'worden de audiobestand'
21:14:12 [zout]
+en
21:14:51 [zout]
and I'd use 'track' instead of 'nummer'
21:15:35 [Prodoc]
tock wel?
21:15:38 [Prodoc]
toch wel
21:15:41 [Prodoc]
?
21:16:14 [zout]
I have used it in the Dutch translation of Picard
21:16:35 [zout]
'audio bestanden' -> audiobestanden
21:16:44 [Prodoc]
and you say I caught the English virus? ;-)
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21:16:57 [zout]
:)
21:17:03 [Prodoc]
+Het identificatiesymbool is, of wordt, gekoppeld aan een bepaald nummer in MusicBrainz.
21:17:12 [Prodoc]
?
21:17:15 [zout]
with that I meant writing all words with spaces
21:17:32 [zout]
maybe 'akoestische vingerafdruk'
21:17:38 [Freso]
Oh well. Sleep well all. :)
21:17:48 [Prodoc]
ok
21:17:51 [Freso]
zout: "akustiske fingeraftryk"? :p
21:18:00 [Prodoc]
sleep well Freso
21:18:45 [zout]
welterusten Freso
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send
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now we only have to hope they decide it's interesting enough to post it
21:24:08 [zout]
where would it be posted?
21:24:15 [Prodoc]
tweakers.net
21:24:29 [Prodoc]
in the software meuktracker
21:26:04 [Prodoc]
d*mn, the latest Winamp has native supports for Flac files now
21:27:23 [Prodoc]
'support for reading ID3v2.4 per-frame unsynchronization', they realy are putting an effort in ID3v2.4 support lately
21:27:31 [Prodoc]
good news
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http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5857662 has to go fast before the track times are calculated...
21:28:54 [Prodoc]
* Prodoc voted
21:29:10 [zout]
thanks
21:31:34 [Rexroom]
I'd consider winamp again when they start supporting UTF-8
21:32:31 [Rexroom]
...
21:32:42 [Rexroom]
"NEW! Unicode filename and track support"
21:32:47 [Rexroom]
well, fuck
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21:42:09 [Prodoc]
Rexroom, lol
21:46:12 [Prodoc]
by the way, how can one become a member of the autoeditor mailinglist when he's one?
21:46:31 [zout]
you should be a member automatically
21:47:51 [Prodoc]
is that list that low traffic?
21:48:17 [Prodoc]
indeed it is, last message: Tue Oct 17 01:00:03 UTC 2006
21:48:24 [Prodoc]
that explains it
21:48:39 [zout]
yes, last few mails were about your election
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I'm off, see you later
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bye!
21:49:48 [Prodoc]
good night
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talk about misleading advertising
22:08:13 [Rexroom]
unicode support my ass, the medialibrary refuses to read them
22:15:34 [Prodoc]
haha, you can't have it all ;-)
22:16:14 [Prodoc]
anyway, time for a nap again, goodnight all!
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looks like I'll stick with foobar
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nabend
22:58:17 [FeZ-]
someone here who can help me a bit with a virtual musicbrainz server ?
22:59:27 [FeZ-]
1. do i need a internet connection after i have i have installed the virtual musicbrainz server correctly ?
23:00:57 [FeZ-]
2. i see the virtual server (website) correct but the tagger cant get TRM from fingerprint server and i cannot lookup artists or tracks
23:01:53 [FeZ-]
Error: The search server could not fullfill your request due to an internal error
23:06:09 [ruaok]
abend FeZ...
23:06:20 [ruaok]
yes, you need a net connection.
23:06:27 [ruaok]
the TRM server is not part of mb_server
23:09:03 [FeZ-]
damit
23:09:08 [FeZ-]
ba
23:09:09 [FeZ-]
d
23:09:20 [FeZ-]
but ok.
23:10:43 [FeZ-]
and why i cant search ?
23:11:05 [FeZ-]
i tried picard also, but the same effekt
23:11:32 [ruaok]
because the server is centralized and cannot be downloaded.
23:11:34 [FeZ-]
do i need the internet connection also for searching the files
23:11:40 [ruaok]
yup.
23:11:47 [ruaok]
you need to use the search server.
23:12:02 [FeZ-]
and why i have such a lot of data in my maschine ?
23:12:05 [ruaok]
use the "old search" -- that doesn't need a net connection.
23:12:22 [ruaok]
because you're a Warmduscher?
23:12:26 [FeZ-]
jep
23:12:33 [FeZ-]
that can happen
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23:13:28 [FeZ-]
ok so i only can use this maschine for programming stuff and se how it work on my maschine and not for tagging my 4 mp3
23:13:50 [ruaok]
no, not really.
23:14:00 [ruaok]
you should use picard for tagging. but event hat requires a net connection.
23:14:13 [ruaok]
* ruaok waves at intgr
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er. inhouseuk
23:15:03 [nightgroove]
yarr
23:15:11 [nightgroove]
Warmduscher = hot shower? lol
23:15:13 [FeZ-]
jep but for tagging with picard i dont need a vmserver running
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23:15:45 [ruaok]
oh no, not at all.
23:15:50 [nightgroove]
* nightgroove has to restard because of stupid WMP
23:15:52 [kunwon1]
Is there a musicbrainz client that runs on openbsd?
23:15:55 [ruaok]
nightgroove: yep. its a soft german insult. :-)
23:15:57 [nightgroove]
ruaok: I figured
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kunwon1: picard might run there. not sure.
23:16:14 [nightgroove]
and it means hot shower?
23:16:16 [nightgroove]
wow
23:16:25 [nightgroove]
its 'varm dusj' in .no
23:16:31 [ruaok]
kunwon1 and FeZ- : did you guys just discover musicbrainz today?
23:16:40 [ruaok]
* ruaok nods at nightgroove
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* nightgroove chuckles
23:16:59 [kunwon1]
ruaok: I see that libmusicbrainz is explicitly said to run on freebsd and netbsd, openbsd is not in the list
23:17:05 [kunwon1]
ruaok: no I didn't
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kunwon1: thats because no one has told us that it does or does not.
23:18:05 [kunwon1]
ruaok: are you making that statement on behalf of the developers?
23:18:19 [FeZ-]
nope. but i installed the server for the first time. i thought that i can tag offline using the vmserver
23:18:34 [ruaok]
kunwon1: urm, sure.
23:18:55 [kunwon1]
ruaok: okay, I just wanted to make sure you weren't just some random passerby in the channel :D
23:18:58 [ruaok]
* ruaok believes he qualifies as an MB developer.
23:19:12 [ruaok]
:-)
23:19:25 [kunwon1]
ruaok: and thank you for answering my questions, i'll give it a go and get back to you on whether it works or not
23:19:37 [ruaok]
ok, good luck!
23:19:41 [kunwon1]
and by 'you' i mean the developers ;)
23:19:47 [kunwon1]
thanks!
23:19:47 [ruaok]
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23:28:28 [FeZ-]
«ruaok» tnx for your help
23:28:39 [ruaok]
np
23:29:27 [FeZ-]
i will cancel this project.
23:29:31 [FeZ-]
wish a good night
23:29:33 [FeZ-]
ciya
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23:32:55 [nightgroove]
oh dear, ruaok, a random passer by in the chan
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* ruaok chuckles
23:35:11 [nightgroove]
well, good night
23:35:16 [nightgroove]
have a happy hacker time
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nitey natta!
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