IRC log of musicbrainz on 2007-02-08

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People make me very sad. :(
01:22:33 [FauxFaux]
Who wants to spot a single consistent piece of information on http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=%28clubber%27s+OR+clubbers%29+guide&type=release&limit=&handlearguments=1
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02:11:13 [Aankhen``]
FauxFaux: The top two results both have an "s" in the title.
02:11:28 [FauxFaux]
Heheh. :P
02:11:43 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux Clubber's Aankhen`` 2005 around the.. to head.
02:11:44 [Aankhen``]
:-P
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* Aankhen`` dies.
02:12:16 [FauxFaux]
If I go fix them, some accuracy nazi will go find the cd covers and claim artist intent.
02:12:23 [FauxFaux]
Which'll make me cry. =(
02:12:35 [Aankhen``]
Artist intent for what? 's vs. s?
02:12:57 [FauxFaux]
Yeah. And whether there's an elpissis.
02:13:24 [Aankhen``]
I recommend a quick 2×4 to the temple.
02:14:13 [FauxFaux]
I'll go replace them all with … to break everyone with stupid taggers or fonts. ¬_¬
02:14:25 [Aankhen``]
Doitdoitdoit!
02:15:08 [Aankhen``]
Aren't there other entries that ought to break their taggers already, though?
02:15:32 [FauxFaux]
Not very common ones. There's a whole range of Cluber's Guides, though.
02:15:44 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux clue-by-fours the spelling.
02:17:31 [Aankhen``]
http://musicbrainz.org/release/1df00b51-7400-4781-98c1-3878d3df9add.html
02:17:34 [Aankhen``]
That ought to break their taggers.
02:18:03 [Aankhen``]
Oh dear. That seems to be under the wrong KK.
02:25:18 [Aankhen``]
Couple of edits to move the albums:
02:25:18 [Aankhen``]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6409233
02:25:22 [Aankhen``]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6409228
02:25:36 [Aankhen``]
Help is appreciated, thanks in advance. :-)
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can I get some more people to vote on this please: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6406097
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this is seriously starting to annoy me http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6401333
06:55:23 [catgroove]
now I feel bad and hope I wont be accused of elitism and pulling rank :(
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hall Aankhen clone
07:47:09 [catgroove]
hallo
07:47:10 [catgroove]
*
07:57:56 [catgroove]
ok
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catgroove is now known as skolemo
07:58:15 [skolemo]
mø mø mø
07:58:50 [skolemo]
* skolemo is away: baaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ☮
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All hail skolemo.
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hi
08:22:25 [b4]
Yesterday I inquired about the mbdump.tar.bz2 file that seemed to be corrupted
08:22:38 [b4]
has there been any change since or is it still the same file?
08:24:13 [mustaqila]
SNOW :D
08:26:18 [juhae]
permaforst
08:26:22 [juhae]
-frost too
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b4: you still there?
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You may have gotten a copy of the file when it was being updated.
08:42:02 [ruaok]
I'd try downloading it again.
08:47:45 [b4]
ruaok, yes
08:47:51 [b4]
ok I'll try that
08:47:54 [b4]
I tried with different mirrors
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at different times
08:48:20 [ruaok]
well, yesterday the data updated and was propagating out.
08:48:32 [b4]
(and just for future reference; maybe it'd be handy to chmod 600 during the update next time :))
08:49:03 [ruaok]
its rsych and we don't have full control over the osuosl end of things. :-(
08:49:10 [ruaok]
rsync, that is.
08:49:18 [b4]
ok
08:50:02 [b4]
maybe a notice then, or something similar... or a torrent? who knows
08:50:26 [b4]
I don't really care because I don't have a download-limit, but I imagine it is annoying for the servers
08:50:44 [b4]
because I downloaded the file three times now in total (twice yesterday and again today)
08:52:58 [b4]
today's download worked fine by the way, thanks for the tip :)
09:12:05 [ruaok]
fortunately its not our bandwidth. :)
09:12:27 [b4]
ok ^^
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12:23:47 [catgroove]
mew
12:24:39 [FauxFaux]
Eee.
12:25:10 [Muz]
Moose.
12:25:19 [FauxFaux]
Sooomes.
12:26:27 [catgroove]
lololol
12:26:36 [catgroove]
hi
12:26:42 [FauxFaux]
Hi catgroove!
12:26:56 [FauxFaux]
How's your Sillyharmonic Orchestra, London war going? :)
12:26:59 [catgroove]
hiii fauxponies
12:27:10 [Muz]
MooseFaux.
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Ponies. <3
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Speak of the devil.
12:27:28 [catgroove]
I dunno, i've gotten a copy of the BOOK page that i'm goignto scan
12:27:39 [catgroove]
hi mud
12:27:46 [mudcrow]
hi catgroove
12:28:57 [catgroove]
:)
12:29:14 [Muz]
Moosecrow.
12:29:19 [Muz]
Moosegroove.
12:29:26 [catgroove]
moose moose moose
12:29:28 [FauxFaux]
Pozzies.
12:29:32 [catgroove]
nei
12:36:30 [mudcrow]
blah! I need more vocal credits.
12:36:49 [catgroove]
.. types you mean?
12:37:11 [mudcrow]
Voice, Backing Voice, Other Voices,more for the Other vocals credit
12:37:24 [mudcrow]
yes types i mean
12:37:28 [catgroove]
rap maybe? growls? freso wants litling
12:37:33 [catgroove]
lilting even
12:37:39 [catgroove]
yea you and me both brother
12:38:03 [catgroove]
the worst part is that I can actually just add them, but I can't
12:38:03 [mudcrow]
Voice is used for a spoken word EP. I can't use vocals as he doesnt "sing" anything
12:38:12 [catgroove]
yes
12:38:18 [catgroove]
this is in the wiki... let me see
12:39:05 [catgroove]
scroll down to Advanced Vocal tree http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/mo
12:39:13 [catgroove]
there is some links there too
12:39:21 [mudcrow]
and rap, and the othered I said on the forum. It seems rather stupid that we have some really obsure credits in the main Ars yet hardly any bloody vocal credits
12:39:31 [catgroove]
I agree fully
12:39:42 [catgroove]
there is a forum topic on this?
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finally
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* catgroove goes to check
12:40:25 [catgroove]
ah I was logged out ,thats why there where no blue squares
12:40:48 [mudcrow]
I did a forum topic a while back. I dont think it ever got a reply
12:40:56 [catgroove]
:O
12:40:59 [catgroove]
wait a sec
12:41:01 [catgroove]
let me read up
12:41:41 [mudcrow]
erm, can I take no replies as meaning everyone agrees that we eed them ? :p
12:42:11 [catgroove]
hehe
12:42:21 [catgroove]
no replies because people aren't paying attention
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lol
12:42:47 [catgroove]
but I'll post on it, I'm sick of this waiting
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if you're willing to help me champion it
12:43:09 [catgroove]
shepard sort of abandoned it since its a uphill struggle
12:45:45 [mudcrow]
Discogs list of vocal credits:
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Alto Vocals
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Backing Vocals
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Baritone Vocals
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Bass Vocals
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Choir
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Chorus
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Coro
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Human Beatbox
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Lead Vocals
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Mezzo-soprano Vocals
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Overtone Voice
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Rap
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Scat
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Soprano Vocals
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Tenor Vocals
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Toasting
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Treble Vocals
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Vocalese
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Vocals
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Voice
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Whistling
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Narrator
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Interviewer
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Voice Actor
12:47:03 [mudcrow]
although I have no idea what Overtone Voice & Vocalese are
12:51:02 [mudcrow]
I had a whole album of Voice Actors, the album was based on The Levellers (in english history) with each performer acting and singing the part of each historical person. The Levellers (the band) played the part of the Levellers
12:52:31 [mudcrow]
http://musicbrainz.org/release/bbd6bb9d-458f-44a2-af7d-77c05673bf7f.html Freeborn John, The leader of the Levellers
12:54:05 [mudcrow]
Justin Sullivan of New Model Army, playing the part of a soldier in Cromwells army, Cromwells army were called the New Model Army. :)
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ooh
13:49:11 [catgroove]
I'll create a separate page with my Advanced voclatrea, can you work in some of those in it then?
13:52:28 [mudcrow]
sure
13:53:02 [catgroove]
yay!
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morning
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time of day
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its 14:54 here
13:55:51 [agolding]
8:55
13:56:44 [agolding]
am i correct that there is no musicbrainz-enabled application that will enable me to populate the lesser used id3 tags... i.e. if i want to use it to fill in the "Conductor" tag?
13:57:11 [catgroove]
♪ time is coming d
13:57:17 [catgroove]
there is
13:57:28 [catgroove]
its picardQT, its in alpha-beta now
13:57:35 [agolding]
right, someone mentioned that
13:57:48 [agolding]
so that is the only one?
13:58:08 [mudcrow]
the only one unless you write a apllication
13:58:10 [agolding]
i think, as a rule, i don't install software i have to build myself, lol
13:59:13 [agolding]
oh i see there are compiles now
13:59:25 [agolding]
will it be cross-platform? ie will it run on mac later?
13:59:28 [agolding]
oh
13:59:32 [agolding]
nvmind i just saw that part
13:59:51 [mudcrow]
I think the idea is that it will run on any platform
14:01:07 [agolding]
btw, doesn't itunes make some crude effort to tag files? (i've never used it) where does it pull its info from?
14:02:02 [mudcrow]
there is a tag editor in itunes, I played with it once, I didnt see any options other then manually tagging each file
14:09:00 [agolding]
hmm so how dangerous is it to use this version?
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ok in:
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$set(artist,%orchestra%))
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i assume the first item in the ordered pair is the id3 tag name
14:14:55 [agolding]
this supports any id3 tag field there?
14:17:21 [mudcrow]
sorry I have no idea, picard is Luks baby and he's not here. you could try posting questions to the tagger support forum
14:22:48 [mudcrow]
if an artist using multiple different aliases while in a band, which alias should be listed as band member?
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Richard London, aka Baird Smart, aka F-Reg, aka Asquith Asquith Asquith
14:23:46 [mudcrow]
I hink he used a different alias on every release
14:28:52 [mudcrow]
bloody dadaists. Rev Arthur Asquith Asquith, how am I meant to sort that?
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* catgroove tsks at mudcrow's general direction: http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=101
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* warp pops in
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ok, question.
18:07:58 [Muz]
"no"
18:08:09 [warp]
i'm about to add an album, but one of its tracks was already released as an .mp3, which is in MB as a NAT
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can i move that track to the album in some way?
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or should i just delete it after the album has been added?
18:08:42 [Kerensky97]
good question.
18:10:55 [mudcrow]
delete the NAT after you've entered the album if its the same track, theres no way to move it.
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& thank's mo, ill look at the forum when I get a minute
18:11:20 [warp]
just listened to them, the .mp3 release is slightly different.
18:11:42 [Kerensky97]
How slightly?
18:11:59 [Kerensky97]
Different edit or a completely different version?
18:12:29 [warp]
the rapper says a few lines before the track really starts on the album.
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18:13:18 [Kerensky97]
You might want to leave the NAT then and put a note in the annotation for the album. It sounds like the times will be different.
18:13:36 [Kerensky97]
I'm not sure how that would affect the PUID but it might be different too.
18:13:40 [warp]
yes, i expect this album version is a re-recording of atleast the vocals.
18:13:59 [warp]
i have no idea about PUIDs.
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18:16:18 [Kerensky97]
My guess is the actual MusicIP scan that the PUIDs refer back to would be different between the two songs and the fingerprint that Musicbrainz creates may also be different so as far as any music scanning is concerend they're two completely different tracks so both should stay.
18:16:46 [warp]
ok
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18:23:55 [srotta]
Kerensky97: On the other hand, people will happily mix those two, so in about three hours same PUIDs will be added to both versions. :P
18:24:55 [warp]
srotta: haha, it's not that popular :)
18:25:06 [srotta]
It doesn't matter.
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http://musicbrainz.org/artist/d4b38261-46f4-416f-94e7-bec55c4fe79a.html?short=0&compact=&mbt=0
18:26:06 [srotta]
If there are two listeners, the other one will add the PUID for both versions, because "it's pretty much the same anyway and the track was in that torrent".
18:26:10 [warp]
(in case anyone was wondering which artist and/or tracks i was talking about)
18:26:32 [Kerensky97]
That's what I was thinking with the annotation, that track will quickly be one of the onces that constantly gets mixed by people.
18:26:55 [warp]
i did put an annotation an the NAT album thingy.
18:27:40 [Kerensky97]
That's the best we can do.
18:29:06 [Kerensky97]
Hopefully if the times vary enough Picard will show up with a yellow or red bar to at least help them know somethings not matched right.
18:29:45 [warp]
i don't have times yet for the album,.. will get a discid in about a week orso.
18:30:11 [warp]
(so can't be arsed to get a list of times from the mp3s)
18:30:49 [Kerensky97]
Either way somebody may add one later and take care of it.
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18:31:42 [warp]
ok, next album i'm working on:
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this one has two tracks featuring other ppl, the first is:
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Han Geol Eum Man (Rap. Kim Jin Pyo), i guess i can leave that last bit off and add it as an AR
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and
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One'Love (Duet tae.1)
18:33:26 [warp]
is there an AR for duet too? :)
18:34:01 [warp]
(note, pasted here transliterated for readability, i usually only add the original language)
18:34:27 [Kerensky97]
I don't know, it seems like I was just reading on the mailing list that somebody wanted one so it may not exist yet.
18:34:41 [warp]
hrm.
18:34:53 [warp]
changing them to Feat. would loose information.
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18:38:44 [Kerensky97]
Is the "(Duet tae.1)" officially on the track list? If it is maybe you can leave it in there and use an "other vocals" AR until we have something better.
18:39:21 [warp]
Kerensky97: I don't have a back cover, but it is there in the few tracklistings online that I found.
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I'd say leave it in that case, somebody can fix it later if it isn't there and we won't have to lose info.
18:40:59 [warp]
* warp nods.
18:41:12 [warp]
but i'll leave the rap one for now too, just to be consistent.
18:41:22 [Kerensky97]
yeah
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yay! I found a new bank that will allow us to take direct deposit donations from europe without going broke.
20:51:55 [Clint]
i like not going broke
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yeah. I like not going in the hole for receving donations. :)
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21:54:12 [mudcrow]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/mo?action=show I added some more styles Mo and some descriptions. I didnt touch any of the classical related vocals, I'll leave that to someone who has a clue what they are mean.
21:54:39 [FauxFaux]
Nananananaa catmo! Catmo! Catmo!
21:55:27 [mudcrow]
if anyone else can think of any other needed vocal credits, or thinks that the ones listed are not needed, please comment
21:55:58 [FauxFaux]
Looks completely out of my scheme of Things Of Care. :)
21:57:40 [mudcrow]
I care. It really bugs me when I cant add the correct ARs. I get annoyed having to add performed Other Vocals to so many releases
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Thank you mudcrow!
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fauxlol
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night all
22:42:22 [FauxFaux]
Night!
22:42:38 [catgroove]
:D
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natta!
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23:38:53 [joseba]
ruaok: doesn't paypal work?
23:39:03 [joseba]
international money transfers are very expensive
23:39:15 [ruaok]
joseba: it does, but I don't trust paypal at all.
23:39:22 [ruaok]
plus we still need a local bank.
23:39:35 [ruaok]
and there are lots of people who don't want to use paypal.
23:39:51 [joseba]
but rather pay $20 to $30 in banking fees?
23:39:55 [ruaok]
this new bank is quite cool -- since we are non-profit, they have agreed to let us receive wire transfers for FREE!
23:40:05 [joseba]
which country is this?
23:40:10 [ruaok]
so far I see no fees that we're going to encounter.
23:40:11 [ruaok]
US
23:40:23 [joseba]
but the sender pays fees
23:40:32 [ruaok]
and we've been paying paypal upwards of $80 to receive our license payments from customers.
23:40:36 [ruaok]
that will now drop to 0.
23:40:41 [joseba]
at least from UK and DE, and I am sure from pother countries
23:41:12 [ruaok]
people want to do direct transfers to donate.
23:41:19 [joseba]
but instead donators may maybe $800 in fees to their banks
23:41:22 [joseba]
is that better?
23:41:22 [ruaok]
and I am looking for a way to make that happen.
23:41:44 [ruaok]
relax. you can use paypal.
23:41:56 [ruaok]
everyone else who has a handle on their fees can use direct transfer.
23:41:59 [joseba]
for donatation from europe, can't you open or have someone open an account in Euroland?
23:42:06 [joseba]
then money transfers to that account are free
23:42:08 [ruaok]
and if you spend $800 in fees, you need to get a new bank.
23:42:11 [joseba]
for both sides (!)
23:42:21 [ruaok]
I've tried.
23:42:29 [ruaok]
you need to have a legal entity in that countruy.
23:42:31 [joseba]
total fees i mean, not for one donation
23:42:56 [ruaok]
otherwise the person who opens the account needs to pay taxes on the money going through.
23:42:58 [ruaok]
at least in .de
23:45:37 [joseba]
hm.
23:46:45 [joseba]
and setting up a legal entity is a big hassle of course
23:57:18 [yllona]
ruaok: please check the new offerings from HSBC (http://hsbc.com) not sure if it's everything you need, but looks promising. Note: that some US banks will "flag" HSBC payments, tho they will post, after an inquiry
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23:59:28 [ruaok]
yllona: I don't have a local branch I can walk into.
23:59:41 [ruaok]
besides, wamu is ready to give me everything I need. for free.
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