IRC log of musicbrainz on 2007-03-25
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- 00:00:13 [Muz_]
- But yeah, thanks again yllona
- 00:00:34 [yllona]
- Jugdish: i don't type well enough for a wiki, but there's an excellent site called "cooking for engineers"
- 00:00:50 [yllona]
- hang on, i'll grab the link
- 00:00:58 [Jugdish]
- for engineers?
- 00:01:04 [yllona]
- yes.
- 00:01:32 [yllona]
- http://www.cookingforengineers.com/
- 00:02:19 [yllona]
- this ia great site, as engineers/techies often want to know the science behind common cooking prctices
- 00:02:28 [yllona]
- *practices
- 00:03:02 [Muz_]
- Cooking isn't an art, it's a science ;)
- 00:04:27 [yllona]
- muz: and you're welcome.. glad to see you cooking again.
- 00:04:56 [Muz_]
- I need to stop eating out so much, seeing as I've started gaining a few lbs :/ That, and I need to watch my budget a bit too
- 00:05:15 [yllona]
- cooking is very relaxing... and much less expensive than eating out. not to mention the personal satifaction in creating your own meals
- 00:05:38 [Muz_]
- Far far healthier too, given the choice of "restuarants" in this area
- 00:06:05 [Muz_]
- * Muz_ has had a strange past few weeks. Stopped smoking, cut back on the boozing, started excercising more, and now cooking rather than taking out
- 00:06:17 [yllona]
- yeah... check the cooking for engineers site. the author re-creates "restaurant" meals at home, and post the recipes
- 00:06:40 [Muz_]
- Well, in this part of London, it's either kebabs, curry or fried chicken ;)
- 00:07:20 [juhae]
- * juhae demands falafel
- 00:07:33 [yllona]
- eek, that could lead to weight gain for sure, if not high blood pressure/cholesterol
- 00:08:30 [yllona]
- juhae: http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/find/results?search=falafel&x=0&y=0
- 00:08:35 [Moosebot]
- yllona's URI is at http://xrl.us/vgcz
- 00:09:22 [yllona]
- epicurious is a great site for recipes but doesn't always explain the cooking techniques inline with recipe
- 00:09:42 [yllona]
- cooking techniques are published elsewhere on teh site
- 00:09:50 [Muz_]
- Yeah, the stress can't help either given my usual diet hahah
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- 00:11:29 [yllona]
- here's the food dictionary from epicurious, it's linked from the side bar for the recipes : http://www.epicurious.com/cooking/how_to/food_dictionary/
- 00:11:31 [Moosebot]
- yllona's URI is at http://xrl.us/vgc4
- 00:12:01 [Jugdish]
- moosebot sure likes that one url
- 00:13:27 [yllona]
- another good recipe site is http://recipesource.com/ -- it's an open community of recipe contributors, so recipes & results will vary *greatly*
- 00:13:36 [Muz_]
- Oooh pasta's done *goes to check on the mess*
- 00:14:23 [yllona]
- recipesource has been around for as "SOAR" for 15+ years at this point
- 00:16:49 [Muz_]
- Ooooh it worked
- 00:17:14 [yllona]
- :)
- 00:18:23 [yllona]
- Muz_: give the pasta a good rinse, to remove salt and residual starch
- 00:20:59 [Muz_]
- Thanks for the tips yllona, don't half taste bad either
- 00:21:49 [yllona]
- yeah, you'll perfect it over time. i still prefer pasta cooked on the stovetop, tho i'll reheat in the microwave
- 00:23:00 [yllona]
- the key factor is removing the starch with rinsing -- other wise pasta or any other kind of noodles will become "gummy"
- 00:23:34 [yllona]
- it's always better to under cook noodles anyway, especially if you plan on reheating leftovers
- 00:24:09 [yllona]
- i lways ore-rinse rice, for the same reason
- 00:24:21 [yllona]
- *pre-rinse rice
- 00:24:36 [Muz_]
- * Muz_ doesn't do rice at all :/
- 00:25:46 [yllona]
- rice is especially easy in the microwave, and you don't need to buy "microwave special rice" either. regualr rice will do
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- 00:27:17 [warp]
- hm.. #cooking
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- 00:28:02 [yllona]
- warp why is there anything else happening in this channel?
- 00:30:23 [warp]
- * warp just back from reading the backscroll :)
- 00:30:37 [warp]
- * warp looks at cookingforengineers.com
- 00:31:02 [yllona]
- warp: it's an excellent site, to learn cooking
- 00:32:00 [warp]
- :)
- 00:34:09 [yllona]
- i recommend the "betty crocker's cookbook" as the best "starter" cookbook... i have versions going back to the '60s, and it's been revised numerous times. cover's the basic beautifully -- available on amazon
- 00:34:45 [yllona]
- i'm not sure if there an EU version with conversions to metric tho.
- 00:35:39 [warp]
- ah well, there's always /usr/bin/units :)
- 00:36:00 [yllona]
- i still consult this version regularly: http://www.amazon.com/Betty-Crockers-Cookbook_ringbound-Crocker/dp/0307098001/
- 00:36:01 [hacim]
- what does "Failed prerequisite" mean? in an edit?
- 00:36:05 [Moosebot]
- yllona's URI is at http://xrl.us/vgc8
- 00:36:24 [warp]
- Moosebot: gah, stop with the URIs already.
- 00:36:25 [Moosebot]
- warp: I don't understand. Please use !cmds for a list of commands.
- 00:36:41 [Muz_]
- /ignore Moosebot
- 00:36:53 [warp]
- yup.
- 00:37:13 [yllona]
- hacim: you missed something on an earlier revision of the edit
- 00:37:40 [yllona]
- hacim: can you please post a link?
- 00:38:01 [hacim]
- yllona: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6596936
- 00:38:03 [Moosebot]
- hacim's URI is at http://xrl.us/vgc9
- 00:39:15 [Muz_]
- Heheh, HairMetalAddict's wet dream http://beta.last.fm/event/176681
- 00:39:51 [yllona]
- hacim: looks like modbot beat you to the language/script change for subsequent edits. language/script changes are "automod" -- not voted upon
- 00:40:30 [hacim]
- yllona: I dont get it
- 00:40:37 [hacim]
- sorry, this is my first contribution :)
- 00:41:14 [yllona]
- is ok, i've not followed the full history on this edit, so here's my take
- 00:41:48 [hacim]
- i dont think there is much history... I put it in, realized the language was wrong, changed it, got a comment from an editor, adjusted according to what they said
- 00:41:57 [hacim]
- and then this, which I dont know what it is :)
- 00:42:39 [yllona]
- hacim, ah, that's just a DB update timing issue then, ignore and carry on
- 00:42:49 [hacim]
- cool :)
- 00:43:11 [hacim]
- i thought failed pre-req meant that it was voted down or denied or something
- 00:43:55 [yllona]
- i've been caught in edits the same way... enter something, then realize i made a msitake/typo -- meanwhile the DB enters an updat ecycle
- 00:44:07 [yllona]
- *update cycle
- 00:44:42 [yllona]
- no not for language/script -- unless there were comments on teh edit
- 00:44:43 [hacim]
- ok, so I should just wait
- 00:44:50 [hacim]
- and dont need to do anything
- 00:44:57 [yllona]
- yeah
- 00:46:39 [yllona]
- for general purpose i think DB updates occur at 10 minutes before the hour. ex: it's 17:46 here so the next DB update should occur in 4 minutes
- 00:47:02 [yllona]
- unless something's drastically changed and i missed the news
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- 00:54:05 [hacim]
- yllona: so does my addition have to get enough positive votes before it goes in? is that how it works?
- 00:54:16 [hacim]
- I need to find some info on the process and read it I guess
- 00:55:04 [yllona]
- hacim: in the most basic sense, tho some DB values are automod -- not moderated (like language/script)
- 00:55:55 [yllona]
- hacim: don't be shy -- solicit votes in this channel. just say " i added/updated [URL] votes please
- 00:56:49 [warp]
- hacim: an edit also goes through eventually if there are no votes at all.
- 00:57:14 [yllona]
- and be prepared to defend your edits in the comments, if you've added anything controversial -- my advice -- always do your research :-D
- 00:58:50 [yllona]
- hacim: let me get you a wiki page on the process, one sec
- 00:59:58 [yllona]
- hacim: start here: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ModerationGuide?highlight=%28moderatio%29
- 01:02:04 [yllona]
- this info dated, and it's *always* okay to ask questions here
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- 01:39:51 [yllona]
- later folks
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- 09:02:40 [nightgroove]
- nightgroove is now known as catgroove
- 09:02:42 [catgroove]
- boo
- 09:03:07 [catgroove]
- !tell Aankhen`` that the 'URI' feature is a bug
- 09:03:07 [Moosebot]
- catgroove: Okay.
- 09:03:57 [catgroove]
- !cmds
- 09:03:57 [Moosebot]
- catgroove: You may use the following commands:
- 09:04:02 [catgroove]
- not that again
- 09:25:03 [Aankhen``]
- It's never a bug, it's a feature. :-)
- 09:25:03 [Moosebot]
- aankhen``: You have 1 new messages. Please use /privmsg Moosebot !messages to view them.
- 09:25:32 [Aankhen``]
- I'll have to look into it in the morning. I can't seem to reproduce the behaviour, though. :-S
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- G'night for now.
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- 09:26:37 [luks]
- hmm
- 09:26:53 [luks]
- * luks is now very happy with the data quality control changes
- 09:26:57 [luks]
- not
- 09:32:48 [HairMetalAddict]
- No easy way to improve the quality by deleting Britney and the other various talentless crap? ;-)
- 09:33:16 [luks]
- heh
- 09:36:02 [warp]
- luks: were you able to recreate my bug btw?
- 09:36:16 [luks]
- no
- 09:36:30 [warp]
- ok :/
- 09:37:14 [luks]
- but I've added a couple of asserts to the code, so if it happens again we will have better information about the source
- 09:37:33 [warp]
- well, i can make it happen again very easily ;)
- 09:37:46 [warp]
- can i check your asserts out and try again?
- 09:38:48 [luks]
- well, if you have time for some IRC debugging :)
- 09:39:33 [warp]
- in a few minutes. i'm setting up spf records for my domain, but it looks like the web interface of my dns hoster is buggy.
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- 09:42:24 [luks]
- ok, thanks
- 09:52:10 [warp]
- * warp bzr pull
- 09:57:44 [warp]
- luks: it still happens.
- 09:58:00 [warp]
- and the log doesn't look terribly different.
- 09:58:02 [luks]
- no python traceback in the console?
- 09:58:22 [warp]
- no, console looks the same as the log file.
- 09:58:36 [luks]
- hmm
- 09:58:44 [luks]
- can you try one more thing?
- 09:58:51 [warp]
- sure
- 09:59:13 [luks]
- add `print cluster, file, self._object_to_item` at the top of `def add_file_to_cluster` in picard/ui/itemviews.py
- 10:02:05 [warp]
- ok, did that
- 10:04:17 [luks]
- can you put somethere the whole log from console?
- 10:05:25 [warp]
- er sure
- 10:07:30 [warp]
- http://www.frob.nl/tmp/beforeIII.log
- 10:10:21 [luks]
- hm, and after doing this you had the two files as subitems of tracks 4 and 9?
- 10:10:27 [warp]
- yes
- 10:11:00 [warp]
- note that the unmatched folder in the lookup still shows (2)
- 10:12:33 [luks]
- I'm starting to suspect a bug in PyQt
- 10:13:09 [warp]
- hm
- 10:13:56 [luks]
- have a minute for one more test?
- 10:14:01 [warp]
- sure
- 10:18:37 [luks]
- hmm
- 10:25:10 [luks]
- warp: please replace itemviews.py with http://rafb.net/p/4S2OBU18.txt
- 10:27:42 [warp]
- http://www.frob.nl/tmp/beforuIII.log
- 10:27:57 [warp]
- * warp sees tracebacks
- 10:28:59 [HairMetalAddict]
- http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?artist_type=3&artist_id=1352&orderby=desc ... Some of these mods are attempts to delete the remaster release dates
- 10:29:16 [HairMetalAddict]
- (2003 = remaster release)
- 10:30:25 [warp]
- HairMetalAddict: complicated! just tell us to vote no or yes
- 10:30:26 [warp]
- ;)
- 10:31:07 [warp]
- luks: is it any help?
- 10:31:13 [luks]
- warp: uh, oh. sorry for bothering you, but could you replace line 168 with `print cluster_item, repr(cluster_item.text(0))`
- 10:31:22 [warp]
- sure.
- 10:31:25 [HairMetalAddict]
- No on any "remove" edits that include a 2003 date. The others I can't personally verify.
- 10:31:26 [luks]
- I didn't realize the japanase text will break it
- 10:31:35 [HairMetalAddict]
- Working on mod notes now.
- 10:32:51 [warp]
- * warp isn't sure about line 168
- 10:33:00 [warp]
- luks: what is on that line now?
- 10:33:11 [luks]
- print cluster_item, cluster_item.text(0)
- 10:33:22 [luks]
- it's just repr() around the last argument
- 10:34:25 [warp]
- meh.. my vim doesn't show line numbers. but it's quite a few lines off :)
- 10:34:45 [luks]
- uh
- 10:35:02 [luks]
- er, right, sorry
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- 149, in add_file_to_cluster
- 10:37:19 [warp]
- luks: http://www.frob.nl/tmp/beforuIII.2.log
- 10:38:24 [luks]
- great, thanks
- 10:38:41 [luks]
- I think I should be able to figure out what's wrong based on this
- 10:38:52 [warp]
- good luck!
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- hi. how can you decide between a single artist release or various artist? if the large majority of the release is 1 artist?
- 15:01:32 [Muz_]
- If there is more than one artist for the tracks on the disc, it's a VA release
- 15:03:32 [warp]
- * warp disagrees.
- 15:03:40 [warp]
- or well.
- 15:04:40 [warp]
- erasetr: if the majority of the release is by a single artist, you can make a VA release with different artists for each track but still put that artist as the artist for the _album_.
- 15:05:06 [warp]
- depends on the specific release if that is appropriate or not.
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- bonjour
- 15:45:58 [Muz_]
- Orignal!
- 15:46:18 [dmppanda]
- Moose sans élan :-)
- 15:46:31 [Muz_]
- élan du canada?
- 15:46:45 [dmppanda]
- du massif-central!
- 15:47:02 [dmppanda]
- * dmppanda wonders how much french Muz has :)
- 15:47:20 [Muz_]
- I took French lessons for 5 years, albeit I've forgotten a lot of it, and was never much good at it
- 15:48:28 [dmppanda]
- 5 years of torture hey?
- 15:48:49 [Muz_]
- :P
- 15:50:10 [dmppanda]
- I took 5 years of german - I know the meaning of the word torture (though I still can't translate it to german :-))
- 15:57:16 [Muz_]
- It's too hot in here :(
- 15:57:25 [Muz_]
- * Muz_ hates overheating machines
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- catgroove?
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- hey luks
- 17:02:53 [luks]
- hi
- 17:02:56 [cooperaa]
- what's up?
- 17:06:29 [luks]
- sunday evening, too lazy to do anything useful.. can't be better :)
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- haha excellent
- 17:12:33 [cooperaa]
- I've got way too many assignments to do... :P
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- okay, enough procrastinating... time to get to work
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- * ruaok rolls in to finish up loose ends on next week's release
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- 18:02:24 [VxJasonxV]
- I should probably pitch some time into testing
- 18:02:40 [VxJasonxV]
- though, I'm going down to the springs here shortly :(. And I don't know what I'll be doing when I get back D=
- 18:07:30 [ruaok]
- VxJasonxV: helping to test would be GREAT anytime in the next week. so there is plenty of time still
- 18:13:38 [VxJasonxV]
- true
- 18:13:45 [VxJasonxV]
- I could probably do it (at? :3) after work
- 18:16:43 [Jugdish]
- when entering an invalid barcode, it just says "Barcode _____ is not a valid EAN barcode." could there be some additional information added here to help the editor out on what exactly is wrong? like "EAN's must be 13 digits" or something like that
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- ummm
- 18:27:50 [Jugdish]
- on the test server, when i search for the artist "eloisia", i get an error saying "Artist with MBID b6825817-60c2-47b1-a6da-09f2abbe4e8b not found in the database"
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- ruaok: did you get that last thing i said about the test server?
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- Jugdish: no, what was that?
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- on the test server, when i search for the artist "eloisia", i get an error saying "Artist with MBID b6825817-60c2-47b1-a6da-09f2abbe4e8b not found in the database"
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- Jugdish: most likely not an error. the search indexes for test aren't really up to date.
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- can you find it using the direct search?
- 20:06:25 [Jugdish]
- nope
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- Ultimate artist to test search on indexed search: was (not was)
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- Jugdish: http://test.musicbrainz.org/browseartists.html?relstatus=&reltype=&index=ELIO
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- that artist isn't in the DB on test.
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- 20:15:51 [Jugdish]
- what i don't get though is if it isn't in the db, why didn't it just return 0 results rather than saying "MBID _____ not found in the database"?
- 20:16:46 [ruaok]
- because test doesn't have a search server installed.
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- it uses the live search server, which DOES have the artist.
- 20:17:08 [Jugdish]
- ah
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- should the sortname for "Emily Haines & The Soft Skeleton" be "Haines, Emily & The Soft Skeleton" ?
- 21:57:36 [Aankhen``]
- Yes.
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- Or Soft Skeleton, The? I'm not quite sure.
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- oh yeah, you're right
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- would it be appropriate to add "Dan Bejar" as an alias of "Daniel Bejar" or is that unnecessary?
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- Just letting you guys know that the Gentoo overlay is up to date again.
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- Please remember to beat me with a stick if I ever get so negligent again.
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- night
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- is mb smart enough to handle a release merge where the track orders are slightly different?
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