IRC log of musicbrainz on 2007-03-29

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http://musicbrainz.org/show/artist/relationships.html?artistid=110757
00:51:06 [Jugdish]
this has the relationship "has/had member Panda Bear"
00:51:21 [Jugdish]
but Panda Bear is the performance name for Noah Lennox
00:51:35 [Jugdish]
so shouldn't the AR be with Noah Lennox and not Panda Bear?
00:57:12 [BrianG]
is Panda Bear the member or is Noah Lennox?
00:58:01 [BrianG]
are a New York City-based group of experimental musicians from Baltimore, Maryland. Animal Collective consists of Avey Tare (also known as David Portner), Panda Bear (also known as Noah Lennox), Deakin (also known as Josh Dibb), and Geologist (also known as Brian Weitz).
00:58:48 [Jugdish]
well Noah Lennox is his real name (obviously)
00:58:57 [BrianG]
it's correct how it is.
00:59:19 [Jugdish]
why's that?
00:59:49 [BrianG]
because the members are Avey Tare, Panda Bear, Deakin, and Geologist
01:04:29 [BrianG]
O'Shea Jackson isn't a member of NWA, but Ice Cube is
01:04:34 [BrianG]
Ice Cubes a pimp
01:04:36 [BrianG]
also
01:05:21 [Jugdish]
heh
01:06:31 [Jugdish]
is it against the rules to add a release whose release dates and tracklisting have been announced but hasn't actually been released yet?
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05:01:37 [srotta]
Jugdish: "Jury's out".
05:02:00 [Jugdish]
well
05:02:18 [Jugdish]
someone swept through and voted against every edit pertaining to an upcoming release that isn't in stores yet
05:02:46 [Jugdish]
which i felt was a bit harsh considering the album has a wikipedia page, discogs page, and amazon ASIN all containing a full tracklist and release date
05:03:51 [srotta]
Which, of course, doesn't mean it will ever see the light of day in that form.
05:04:23 [srotta]
Yeah, I'm against adding them. Some people are for. There's been talk about it in the mailing lists.
05:05:38 [srotta]
The problem, as I see it, is that, once again, proving something doesn't exist is much harder than proving it exists. So once the release is added into the system, it's PITA to remove if it turns out it came out in some slightly different form.
05:06:10 [srotta]
Having a track list doesn't mean the track order will be correct, or that it doesn't have hidden tracks.
05:07:13 [srotta]
I probably wouldn't vote against that kind of edit, but I wouldn't vote for it either.
05:07:25 [Jugdish]
yeah
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´ o_o`'
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08:10:48 [NotAnyone]
You guys really don't like to let a guy lurk...
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mornin'
08:39:14 [Aankhen``]
Evening.
08:52:11 [Muz__]
Moose morning
08:52:22 [workingmoose]
working mornin'
08:52:28 [Muz__]
:o
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10:45:12 [workingmoose]
!seen ruaok
10:45:12 [BrainzBot]
I saw ruaok 159 days 14 hours 59 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: here 30 miles is... You wanna go WHERE?
10:46:36 [workingmoose]
!choose BrainzBot-on-crack or BrainzBot-is-in-love
10:46:36 [BrainzBot]
BrainzBot-is-in-love.
11:12:43 [warp]
hm
11:13:32 [warp]
i keep seeing the 'should unreleased albums be in the db' discussion pop up in various places on the forums over the past few weeks, perhaps we need some definite decision on that.
11:14:14 [warp]
what would be the best place to start that discussion? mb-style? mb-user? or just the forums?
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11:15:08 [catgroove]
bah
11:15:11 [workingmoose]
agreed. are you talking about "unreleased yet albums" or "unreleased" in general?
11:15:55 [warp]
most examples are leaked albums, or official mp3 releases of tracks from forthcoming albums
11:16:01 [workingmoose]
if "unreleased yet" (like: "I got it from p2p but it will be there in two weeks"), then my own opinion is a strong no :-)
11:16:10 [catgroove]
* catgroove ponders wtf "NotAnyone" meant
11:16:22 [warp]
workingmoose: i'm not interested in discussing this now here.
11:16:31 [workingmoose]
warp: ok ;)
11:16:39 [HairMetalAddict]
mmm, I add 'em, no question. While I can see the questioning of some P2P'ed early leaks where they turn out to not be the full album, some of the discs received by me and other radio staff are full releases received early for airplay. Then again, I work with a genre that doesn't get much airplay these days, so sending out "sample" discs isn't as common as for things like top-40.
11:16:42 [warp]
workingmoose: i just think we need a definite answer either, documented atleast on the wiki.
11:17:33 [warp]
workingmoose: and my question is, which place is the best place to have this discussion. certainly not irc, but i'd welcome your inputs in whatever place is most appropriate ;)
11:17:57 [workingmoose]
Style mailing list maybe?
11:18:33 [workingmoose]
warp: are you aware if (a) this question is touchy, or (b) if there is some kind of consensus?
11:18:59 [warp]
workingmoose: there is no consenses, e.g. luks' opinion differs from hairmetal and mine.
11:19:08 [workingmoose]
fine :p
11:19:08 [catgroove]
and mine
11:19:09 [catgroove]
whoo
11:19:12 [catgroove]
* catgroove nut
11:19:20 [workingmoose]
* workingmoose wonders which opinion he'll pick :)
11:19:24 [catgroove]
mine zomg
11:19:27 [warp]
workingmoose: i don't think it is really touchy :)
11:19:27 [catgroove]
nei
11:19:43 [warp]
workingmoose: i guess i just want it set in stone before it becomes touchy :)
11:19:57 [workingmoose]
warp: ok, so go on the style ML and suggests something. And let see how it turns out...
11:20:07 [warp]
workingmoose: i will, thanks.
11:20:14 [catgroove]
I dissagree with voting things down
11:20:31 [catgroove]
I don't agree with adding p2p torrent shite
11:20:46 [catgroove]
I think it's a case by case thing
11:20:48 [warp]
catgroove, HairMetalAddict: are you both subscribed?
11:20:53 [catgroove]
to what?
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11:21:01 [workingmoose]
style ML
11:21:02 [warp]
catgroove: musicbrainz-style mailinglist
11:21:07 [catgroove]
erh.. i like forums but
11:21:17 [catgroove]
I haven't read that mailing list in.. oh atleast a year :(
11:21:21 [warp]
hehe
11:21:50 [warp]
catgroove: well, if you want me to pass on your comments instead of posting yourself, feel free to mail me at kuno@frob.nl
11:22:04 [warp]
* warp collects votes for his camp ;)
11:22:34 [warp]
HairMetalAddict: same for you.
11:23:01 [workingmoose]
I'm sure ol' rusty catgroove can still manage to use a mailing list :p
11:23:32 [workingmoose]
unrelated: what's wrong with scooby? http://stats.musicbrainz.org/mrtg/scooby.cgi damn slow, and damn loaded lately.
11:23:53 [warp]
thanks :)
11:24:01 [warp]
* warp goes back to work now.
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11:33:49 [HairMetalAddict]
I'm subscribed, but with an e-mail addy I rarely check and digging through all those posts to find any good stuff is an exercise in futility, so...
11:43:29 [workingmoose]
catgroove? still here?
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11:49:00 [Muesic]
is mr Lukáš Lalinský here?
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12:01:54 [catgroove]
yes genma?
12:05:29 [workingmoose]
catgroove: I need some help/opinion about wiki questions. Do you have a few minutes for me?
12:05:33 [catgroove]
ok
12:07:12 [catgroove]
hello
12:07:19 [workingmoose]
What's the point in keeping orphaned redirects?
12:07:25 [catgroove]
what are those?
12:07:49 [workingmoose]
pages that redirects to other pages, and that no pages link to. Like: SpecialUUIDs
12:08:02 [workingmoose]
or ChoralWorksNamesTranslations
12:08:14 [catgroove]
erh...
12:08:17 [workingmoose]
or DanishCapitalisationStandard (note the "s")
12:08:43 [catgroove]
I'm to brainzoined to be of much use right now
12:08:48 [catgroove]
:(
12:08:54 [workingmoose]
:-)
12:09:19 [workingmoose]
brainzoined? Looks like good stuff :p
12:09:22 [catgroove]
I want to sleep because I haven't had much sleep this week and I have a testomorow but of course today is the day the neigbours decide that they want to remodel their appartment
12:09:34 [warp]
workingmoose: none?
12:09:40 [warp]
catgroove: :S good luck.
12:10:38 [catgroove]
so this evening there are a lot of good programs on telly I want to see, so I thougt to myself "hey, la smart idea; I'll sleep some at noone/after noon before things start on telly
12:10:40 [catgroove]
wtf stupid
12:10:57 [catgroove]
now it's 14:10 already
12:11:02 [catgroove]
I'm goignt obe so exausted
12:11:04 [catgroove]
FUCK
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12:16:01 [workingmoose]
warp: I guess so :-) but I dunno for sure
12:17:23 [SnadB0y]
ping SnadB0y
12:23:42 [SnadB0y]
its me
12:24:00 [SnadB0y]
is mr Lukáš Lalinský here?
12:26:17 [workingmoose]
!seen luks
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I saw luks 12 hours 39 minutes and 5 seconds ago, quitting the server with message: "Leaving"
12:26:32 [workingmoose]
SnadB0y: he is not here atm I guess...
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murdos around?
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14:25:34 [dmppanda]
luks?
14:30:43 [luks]
dmppanda: ?
14:31:24 [dmppanda]
is scooby having a problem? I got perf issue with the wiki, and the stats graph don't look funny....
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14:32:55 [luks]
uh, that's more ruaok's department
14:33:11 [luks]
hmm
14:33:13 [dmppanda]
ok.
14:36:27 [luks]
some python processes seem to use quite a lot %CPU occasionally
15:07:55 [SnadB0y]
is mr Lukáš Lalinský here?
15:08:42 [luks]
no :)
15:08:55 [SnadB0y]
do let me know
15:09:05 [SnadB0y]
i'd love to talk to him regarding a submission
15:09:07 [luks]
* luks <- lukas lalinsky
15:09:12 [SnadB0y]
omh
15:09:21 [SnadB0y]
sorry got even the spelling wrong omg
15:09:30 [SnadB0y]
hi luke
15:09:40 [SnadB0y]
i was the one who suggested math music
15:09:42 [luks]
nope, I typed it wrong
15:09:45 [luks]
ah
15:10:02 [SnadB0y]
thought i'd hunt you down here...
15:11:37 [SnadB0y]
comments/ suggestions
15:11:47 [luks]
my only problem with it is that it really isn't related to what MB does
15:12:20 [mudcrow]
whats math music?
15:12:42 [SnadB0y]
did you read my comment that i made later on as a reply to yours?
15:13:14 [SnadB0y]
math music is my entry for gsoc
15:13:44 [luks]
no, I didn't read it yet
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* dmppanda stares viciously at http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/report/3
15:42:28 [mudcrow]
the worlds first vicious panda?
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15:44:44 [Prodoc]
dmppanda: what's wrong with 313 open tickets? ;-)
15:45:38 [dmppanda]
mudcrow: actually, pandas are quite vicious ;)
15:46:03 [Muz]
Moose are far more lovable
15:46:07 [FauxFaux]
Lies.
15:46:11 [Muz]
Truths!
15:46:16 [FauxFaux]
Muzzies!
15:46:16 [Muz]
Ponies are eeeeeevil thuogh
15:46:19 [Muz]
FAXY :D
15:46:22 [Muz]
:/
15:46:23 [Muz]
Fail.
15:46:31 [FauxFaux]
Like moose.
15:46:33 [Muz]
Lies
15:46:36 [Muz]
Like a goat.
15:46:38 [FauxFaux]
Truths!
15:46:42 [Muz]
Goats aer teh fayl
15:47:00 [mudcrow]
wahts wrong with goats?
15:47:04 [Muz]
Everything.
15:47:53 [mudcrow]
ok they look pure evil & enjoy butting everything & eating everything, but apart from that they're ok
15:48:24 [Muz]
I read that as buttering
15:48:36 [Muz]
Goats lack the opposable thumbs to use a butter knife
15:48:55 [mudcrow]
thats no reason to hate them :p
15:49:11 [Muz]
Goatse.
15:49:15 [Muz]
Seee, goats are evil
15:50:24 [FauxFaux]
http://moid.org/gs.jpg <-- eeeevil!
15:51:32 [mudcrow]
must be one of those Haiiwan surfing goats, a rare breed
15:51:48 [Muz]
Goat Sea
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16:06:20 [mudcrow]
wikipedia is so much bollocks, an article on YDI is up for deletion because the band isn't notable enough. what utter crap. so unless you're signed to a major label, producing mindless pop garbage, youre not considered notable enough to be included in wikipedia. fucking egotestical wankers
16:07:55 [intgr]
mudcrow: Arbitrary or not, every encyclopedia needs a criteria for inclusion.
16:08:59 [mudcrow]
I still think its bollocks.
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16:10:21 [intgr]
Being under a major label is not necessary for notability; you can also establish notability through third party coverage.
16:10:52 [mudcrow]
1. Has had a charted hit on any national music chart.
16:10:54 [mudcrow]
2. Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.
16:10:55 [mudcrow]
3. Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country,3 reported in reliable sources.4
16:10:57 [mudcrow]
4. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
16:10:58 [mudcrow]
5. Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such.
16:11:00 [mudcrow]
6. Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
16:11:01 [mudcrow]
7. Has won a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno or Mercury award.
16:11:03 [mudcrow]
8. Has won or placed in a major music competition.
16:11:04 [mudcrow]
9. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.)
16:11:07 [mudcrow]
10. Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.
16:11:09 [mudcrow]
11. Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast on a national radio or TV network.
16:11:26 [intgr]
That's the secondary criterion.
16:11:42 [intgr]
"It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable."
16:13:29 [mudcrow]
reading that I would say 90% of the bands I listen to are not notable enough for the fuckwits at wiki
16:14:00 [catgruff]
silly stuff
16:14:11 [catgruff]
hi crow
16:14:19 [mudcrow]
* mudcrow vows never to add a wiki link again
16:14:24 [catgruff]
:((
16:14:26 [intgr]
Yeah, if they aren't then there is simply not enough information available for an encyclopedic article.
16:14:27 [mudcrow]
hi catgruff
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16:14:52 [catgroove]
sånn
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16:15:07 [catgroove]
lol at goat sea
16:15:08 [ojnkpjg]
i think the moral is that information that's not easy to come by is not important enough for inclusion
16:15:08 [intgr]
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which means that it must rely on secondary sources for information -- if there aren't any then there can be no reliable article.
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16:15:57 [BrianG]
currently
16:16:20 [mudcrow]
but thats the whole point, there is loads of info available about these bands. but they dont meet the wiki criteria
16:16:35 [catgroove]
that's what I thought mud meant
16:16:55 [BrianG]
just add "currently" a bunch of times
16:16:57 [BrianG]
tot he article
16:17:33 [intgr]
mudcrow: Any information that can qualify as a secondary source?
16:18:24 [mudcrow]
http://www.killfromtheheart.com/bands.php?id=918 article about the notable punk band YDI
16:18:33 [catgroove]
yesh
16:19:29 [mudcrow]
in my opinion a very notable band as they had two black members in a music scene thats dominated by white musicians.
16:19:40 [catgroove]
tht's notable imho
16:19:53 [intgr]
Then say that in the AfD entry.
16:20:34 [intgr]
But don't go screaming around like "WIKI SCUKS THEY WANT TO DELETE MY ARTICUL"
16:20:49 [catgroove]
i think mud knows that :D
16:20:52 [catgroove]
luks!
16:20:55 [catgroove]
pingdoom
16:20:59 [mudcrow]
nope. I've quit wiki. I've had enough of their crap. theycan do whatever the fuck they like for all I care. let them delete every fucking artticle about punk bands. I dont care anymore
16:21:09 [catgroove]
mud :(
16:21:19 [catgroove]
* catgroove pets mudcrow
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sniiiiile kråka
16:21:32 [intgr]
mudcrow: Note that there is no "they" -- every editor can nominate articles for deletion.
16:21:45 [mudcrow]
and its not my article, I was just looking for links
16:22:06 [intgr]
Okay.
16:22:41 [catgroove]
:/
16:22:47 [catgroove]
I'm kinda not happy with this format thing
16:23:17 [catgroove]
we *have to* separate DVD-A
16:23:28 [catgroove]
DVD-V shouldn't *be* in mbz
16:24:09 [catgroove]
hey luksa are youthere?
16:24:43 [catgroove]
boo
16:24:44 [luks]
quite busy atm, but yes
16:24:51 [catgroove]
hi
16:24:54 [luks]
hey
16:25:15 [catgroove]
I agreewith dvda being a subtype of dvd
16:25:27 [catgroove]
but i'm just thinking about people...
16:25:43 [luks]
I can't really add DVD-Audio to the list
16:25:48 [catgroove]
why not?
16:25:53 [luks]
for now we store only the main format types
16:25:59 [luks]
no descriptions, no media sizes, etc.
16:26:00 [catgroove]
ok, but this might change?
16:26:04 [catgroove]
ok
16:26:07 [catgroove]
then I'm with you
16:26:40 [luks]
then we can add DVD-A, DVD-V, 12", 7", etc.
16:27:02 [catgroove]
yes
16:27:24 [catgroove]
when I made that wikipage half a century ago (as panda would say) I thought about it quite a lot, and eventually release types and release events would havetobe merged
16:27:38 [catgroove]
this mightbe a step i n that direction
16:27:40 [catgroove]
alright
16:27:51 [catgroove]
thanks for clearing up that luks
16:27:51 [liquid_raven]
I asked earlier and missed my response, so I'll try again: how does the renaming work in the new version of picard?
16:27:53 [catgroove]
good work
16:28:02 [Prodoc]
Am I the only one not receiving any bug tracker changes any more?
16:28:12 [Prodoc]
by e-mail
16:28:17 [catgroove]
lol, best. unintentional responce. EVAR
16:28:17 [intgr]
I still get them.
16:28:22 [catgroove]
me too
16:28:29 [catgroove]
check if you have an email that's working
16:28:31 [Prodoc]
hmm, weird
16:28:36 [luks]
liquid_raven: what do you mean?
16:28:37 [intgr]
Prodoc: Perhaps your spam filter is eating them.
16:28:42 [catgroove]
in settings at bugs.mb.org
16:28:45 [liquid_raven]
more specificly: what are the variable names for release type and release year and how do I replace spaces with underscores?
16:28:48 [catgroove]
spam filters :(
16:29:11 [intgr]
I've had Trac notifies classified as "spam" before.
16:29:11 [luks]
liquid_raven: by the "new" version you mean 0.9, right?
16:29:23 [luks]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardQt/Scripting
16:29:32 [liquid_raven]
the one that don't use wxwidgets and looks much uglier :)
16:29:37 [liquid_raven]
* liquid_raven checks verison number
16:29:40 [intgr]
!seen Freso
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16:29:41 [luks]
uglier?
16:30:03 [intgr]
liquid_raven: You have to configure Qt before it looks bearable. :)
16:30:05 [catgroove]
hey i discoverd something: if I want to make use of relate to .. today, I go to a release, changethe url to test.music.. and go 'relate to..' then when on the 'make relationship' page, i remove the 'test' part of the url
16:30:08 [Prodoc]
I didn't receive a couple of e-mails but newer ones do come in for some reason and the spam filter is not eating them
16:30:12 [liquid_raven]
yes, I think the WxWidgets version fetched details from my GNOME configuration, but this one doesn't
16:30:20 [liquid_raven]
intgr: heh, I generally don't like QT
16:30:39 [intgr]
Yeah, only KDE users like Qt, but it looks better on Windows.
16:30:45 [catgroove]
QT is PURDY
16:30:50 [liquid_raven]
I'm mainly using GNOME applications with ion as a window manager
16:31:00 [intgr]
Than GTK
16:31:06 [liquid_raven]
heh, perhaps
16:31:09 [luks]
intgr: I think people will eventually have to get used to it
16:31:13 [catgroove]
wxwidgets = lose
16:31:18 [liquid_raven]
but why should anyone care about what the windows people think? ;)
16:31:20 [intgr]
luks: Yeah.
16:31:23 [luks]
because Qt4 is going to be used by a lot of projects, IMO
16:31:30 [catgroove]
I like it, and I *never* like new things
16:31:40 [intgr]
luks: By the way, is Picard modular enough to have several GUI frontends?
16:31:50 [catgroove]
* catgroove is a windows user
16:31:53 [catgroove]
:(
16:32:00 [liquid_raven]
luks: 0.9alpha5, yes
16:32:06 [intgr]
luks: If so, perhaps you should start slapping people with "write a GTK frontend then" response. :)
16:32:09 [luks]
not exactly that modular, but it shouldn't be hard to write a new GUI
16:32:10 [liquid_raven]
* liquid_raven throws rotten things at catgroove
16:32:15 [catgroove]
that's nice
16:32:29 [catgroove]
you buy me a mac then :P
16:32:44 [liquid_raven]
why should I buy you a mac?
16:32:57 [liquid_raven]
and what's the difference anyway?
16:32:58 [intgr]
luks: Ah, by the way, did you have a glimpse at the fixed ebuild?
16:32:58 [catgroove]
and buy me all the games I have for PC that don't work on mac
16:33:01 [luks]
I wasn't Qt fan either, because Qt3 was mostly KDE-only stuff
16:33:03 [catgroove]
because *I* can't afford it
16:33:06 [catgroove]
:P
16:33:37 [liquid_raven]
um, and you can't run OSX or preferrably linux/BSD on your current box?
16:33:38 [luks]
intgr: they look good
16:33:44 [catgroove]
I what?
16:33:47 [luks]
but I didn't even know install_locales is broken
16:33:55 [catgroove]
I'm not l33t enough
16:34:13 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
16:34:13 [catgroove]
don't take me wrong, I'm *NOT* a microsoft fan
16:34:16 [catgroove]
yea yea
16:34:28 [intgr]
luks: Hehe, it didn't do anything.
16:34:42 [catgroove]
but I wouldn't know how to get around in a unixenviroment
16:34:45 [liquid_raven]
catgroove: most windows users arent, I've noticed
16:35:07 [liquid_raven]
It's funny how much many windows users hate windows actually :)
16:35:08 [catgroove]
what I meant is that i'm not a blind lacey :)
16:35:13 [catgroove]
(did I spell that right?)
16:35:13 [catgroove]
:)
16:35:25 [intgr]
liquid_raven: And it's funny how much Linux users don't hate Windows. :)
16:35:32 [intgr]
how many*
16:35:49 [liquid_raven]
well THEY are the really evil people
16:35:52 [catgroove]
it's not like its unusable
16:36:12 [catgroove]
it'sjust thewhole 'closet source money making evil corporation' thing
16:36:44 [catgroove]
:D
16:36:51 [intgr]
Heh, "closet source"
16:37:06 [catgroove]
erh
16:37:16 [catgroove]
closed?
16:37:18 [BrianG]
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=new+york,+ny&daddr=Dublin,+Ireland&sll=57.984808,-55.019531&sspn=72.354033,164.53125&layer=&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=4&ll=48.166085,-36.5625&spn=43.171238,82.265625
16:37:29 [catgroove]
* catgroove is even more evil as he has Windows ME
16:37:30 [liquid_raven]
well, closet source sounds better, let's adapt that in stead
16:37:36 [catgroove]
:D
16:37:37 [liquid_raven]
omigosh
16:37:56 [intgr]
Yeah, closed source should start coming out of the closet.
16:38:05 [catgroove]
and the only thing I hate abutitisthat no unicode and flash doesn't work in opera :P
16:38:06 [ojnkpjg]
closet source is what novell does
16:38:15 [catgroove]
intgr: LOL
16:38:20 [catgroove]
what is novell?
16:38:36 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
16:38:36 [intgr]
Novell is the Linux company that made a no-sue deal with Microsoft.
16:38:50 [BrianG]
i wonder if HMA still runs suse
16:38:51 [intgr]
They bought SUSE a while back.
16:39:06 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
16:39:06 [liquid_raven]
catgroove: a hey-we're-not-as-evil-as-microsoft-but-still-quite-evil-evil corporation
16:39:11 [liquid_raven]
ahaha
16:39:17 [catgroove]
lol
16:39:27 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
16:39:27 [catgroove]
BrainzBot: choose microsoft or linux
16:39:27 [BrainzBot]
linux.
16:39:30 [catgroove]
haha
16:39:47 [intgr]
Novell was very non-evil until that recent deal.
16:39:54 [catgroove]
aha
16:40:07 [liquid_raven]
I'm automatically ranking people who actually make money as evil
16:40:18 [catgroove]
just like howabdobe bough up syntrillium and now you can't ge a hold of syntrilium products, at all
16:40:37 [ojnkpjg]
anyone happen to notice the patch for queued spinlocks on linux-kernel from a suse guy?
16:40:40 [catgroove]
like chimes and kal.. kalidoscope
16:40:41 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
16:40:41 [ojnkpjg]
(which microsoft has patented)
16:40:53 [catgroove]
MBChatLogger: off
16:40:53 [MBChatLogger]
is not logging
16:42:20 [MBChatLogger]
is logging
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riia
16:42:36 [catgroove]
nei
16:42:37 [catgroove]
riaa
16:42:42 [intgr]
ojnkpjg: Heh.
16:42:42 [catgroove]
what no reaction?
16:42:51 [catgroove]
* catgroove pokes MBChatLogger
16:42:54 [catgroove]
RIAA
16:42:56 [intgr]
MPAA
16:42:58 [catgroove]
:/
16:43:00 [BrianG]
STFU
16:43:01 [BrianG]
:)
16:43:14 [liquid_raven]
So, is there anyone who actually knows how to configure the renameing part of Picard?
16:43:16 [catgroove]
ok, I'll do that
16:43:17 [catgroove]
:(
16:43:24 [catgroove]
erhm...
16:43:27 [liquid_raven]
All online manuals seems to be outdated since the switch to Qt
16:43:34 [catgroove]
followthe ques on that picardscritping page?
16:43:46 [catgroove]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardQt/Scripting
16:43:51 [liquid_raven]
w00t, is there a scripting functionality?
16:43:51 [intgr]
liquid_raven: Did you check out the options screen?
16:43:55 [catgroove]
ja
16:44:05 [liquid_raven]
intgr: yes, I just didn't understand it very well
16:44:07 [catgroove]
%artistsort% <- artist sortname
16:44:12 [BrianG]
it's nice out, maybe i should install fiesty today
16:44:27 [intgr]
liquid_raven: Options -> File Naming
16:44:34 [intgr]
liquid_raven: And check the 'Rename Files' checkbox.
16:44:40 [catgroove]
yes, important
16:44:42 [liquid_raven]
intgr: yes, I've understood that much
16:44:53 [intgr]
liquid_raven: And it doesn't rename? Then file a bug.
16:44:55 [catgroove]
hey luks, there is a new alpha of that out, is there a win.exe on that?
16:45:09 [catgroove]
* catgroove has alpha 4
16:45:15 [liquid_raven]
intgr: no, no, it renames just fine, just not the way I WANT it to
16:45:27 [catgroove]
what do you want it to do?
16:45:31 [intgr]
liquid_raven: Ahh.
16:45:32 [luks]
catgroove: yes, link is on the PicardQt page
16:45:38 [catgroove]
I do 'artist - trackname'
16:45:44 [catgroove]
ok, thanks luks
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16:46:03 [catgroove]
that should be %artist% - %trackname% afaik
16:46:14 [luks]
%artist% - %title%
16:46:18 [catgroove]
yes
16:46:20 [catgroove]
sorery :)
16:46:37 [liquid_raven]
what I want is an output like ~/tagged_MB/Artist_Name/Artist-Album-EP-2007-flac/01-The_Beatles-Whatever_the_songs_called.flac
16:46:50 [catgroove]
hmm
16:47:04 [liquid_raven]
I had that set up with the wxwidgets version
16:47:22 [liquid_raven]
oh, and it's an extra bonus if it's possible to convert everything to lowercase
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16:47:39 [luks]
$replace(%albumartist%/%albumartist%-%album%-%releasetype%-$left(%date%,4)-%_extension%/$num(%tracknumber%)-%artist%-%title%, ,_)
16:47:49 [luks]
(I hope I get it right)
16:48:04 [luks]
oh, add $lower() around that
16:48:10 [liquid_raven]
good, I'll try it and see if it works as expected :)
16:48:16 [liquid_raven]
yay, REAL scripting capabilities :D
16:48:35 [luks]
err
16:48:43 [liquid_raven]
or "MORE ADVANCED" perhaps :)
16:48:43 [luks]
$num(%tracknumber%,2) of course
16:48:44 [catgroove]
wow this bumble bee is lost
16:48:50 [intgr]
Not really "scripting"
16:49:07 [catgroove]
good thing I have mosquito netting :x
16:49:21 [catgroove]
humle :o
16:49:22 [liquid_raven]
um, I more meant "hey it's actually following some pattern and it's got something that vaguely reminds me of functions"
16:49:25 [luks]
intgr: if it can do conditionals, it's scripting :)
16:49:30 [intgr]
:)
16:49:49 [intgr]
Is there a wiki page documenting it all?
16:49:58 [luks]
PicardQt/Scripting
16:50:13 [intgr]
Oh, I thought that was about plug-ins. :)
16:50:17 [intgr]
I see.
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16:50:44 [catgroove]
hint: try *opening* the page
16:50:46 [catgroove]
:D
16:51:29 [catgroove]
ok, gotta go afk for a bit
16:51:31 [catgroove]
buy guys
16:51:35 [catgroove]
bye even
16:51:43 [intgr]
See you.
16:53:24 [liquid_raven]
oh, works like a charm
16:53:54 [liquid_raven]
all right, who did this? To whom do I owe my soul? ;)
16:54:16 [intgr]
All awards go to luks.
16:54:23 [intgr]
:)
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* liquid_raven is off to re-tag all his music
16:56:10 [liquid_raven]
by the way, how do I set up Qt properly?
16:56:32 [intgr]
qtconfig
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16:58:03 [intgr]
I am not sure how one would install additional Qt themes though.
16:59:41 [intgr]
Regrettably, GTK has a theme engine that mimics KDE, but not the other way around.
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18:11:05 [SnadB0y]
luks: so did you read my new comment?
18:12:21 [luks]
yes
18:12:32 [luks]
but it's still not clear to me how is the project related to MB
18:13:42 [luks]
MusicBrainz is a database of music metadata, you want to create a music player/generator
18:14:14 [SnadB0y]
yes
18:14:19 [SnadB0y]
and to add data to MB
18:14:43 [SnadB0y]
new kind of music.. new sets of fingerprints
18:14:49 [luks]
ehm
18:16:06 [warp]
* warp is reminded to post something to an mb mailing list
18:17:31 [SnadB0y]
so what do you think luks?
18:20:11 [luks]
well, I still don't get it :)
18:20:29 [intgr]
SnadB0y: Everyone's welcome to contribute to MusicBrainz
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18:21:05 [luks]
intgr: this is about a Google SoC project
18:21:31 [intgr]
Oh...
18:21:45 [luks]
SnadB0y: would you mind if I upload the proposal somewhere, so people can read it?
18:21:52 [SnadB0y_]
luks: i lost out on you... have a power outage here.. god knows what happened... got to find out someother way to remain online... but as of now i got to go... do let me know
18:21:53 [luks]
or do you rather want to keep it private?
18:22:11 [SnadB0y_]
yeah if you'd think tat'd help me gain something
18:22:34 [SnadB0y_]
i dont know luks the fact is that i want to do this bad.. and i feel its a good idea..
18:22:52 [Jugdish]
i'd like to read what the proposal is
18:23:04 [SnadB0y_]
you can post it if you'd like... but do keep my references... and remove all the content on my education and personal details...
18:23:42 [SnadB0y_]
do keep my full name in it.. coz right now if you google my full name i get my results.. of exams !! and that sux...
18:23:43 [intgr]
So we would have to bother doing a Google search to find them out? :)
18:24:26 [SnadB0y_]
luks: i got to go the battery seems to be wearing out fast... a64 consumes a hell a lot of power...
18:24:49 [luks]
it might be a good idea
18:24:49 [luks]
but it's not in any way related to MusicBrainz or music metadata
18:24:49 [luks]
I don't know about ruaok, but I personally couldn't mentor such project
18:25:01 [SnadB0y_]
oh okay
18:25:18 [SnadB0y_]
then in that case i'd like to keep it private... coz i want to do it anyways :D
18:25:34 [intgr]
What's it about?
18:25:51 [luks]
damn, I have horrible IRC lag here...
18:25:53 [SnadB0y_]
sorry abut that, the battery is screamin ... will go offline any minute
18:26:24 [SnadB0y_]
seems so luks: all of your messages are coming to me as a group...
18:27:08 [SnadB0y_]
oh good the power is back, Finally
18:27:38 [SnadB0y_]
sorry about the mess... the ups was screeching like anything
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18:29:47 [warp]
so, what's the project? ;)
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warp: music "generator" based on math equations
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18:32:07 [warp]
generating the music itself? or a playlist or something?
18:32:26 [luks]
the music itself
18:32:30 [warp]
* warp came across such a music generating experiment thing recently.
18:33:00 [warp]
SnadB0y_: i assume you're familiar with http://tones.wolfram.com/generate/ ?
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18:33:24 [SnadB0y_]
yes
18:33:38 [warp]
ok, just checking :)
18:34:00 [SnadB0y_]
my idea is to get it really simple and really easy... to make it sort of like.. what do you say ... Digg for user created music? or something like youtube for music
18:34:03 [SnadB0y_]
collect the data
18:34:17 [SnadB0y_]
and do everything possible with the signatures.
18:35:39 [intgr]
* intgr scratches neck
18:36:31 [intgr]
Digg and automated music generation?
18:36:44 [intgr]
I somehow can't put those together in my mind.
18:37:11 [SnadB0y_]
why not?
18:37:23 [SnadB0y_]
vote music, if yu like it
18:37:44 [SnadB0y_]
and that adds up, and the final value can be used for various things
18:37:49 [intgr]
And how would it be related to mathematical music generation?
18:38:01 [SnadB0y_]
see
18:38:16 [intgr]
To track the most preferable qualities?
18:38:42 [SnadB0y_]
and to track the best possible commercially successful qualities as well
18:39:00 [intgr]
Well, for the latter, you'd first need a database of music qualities.
18:39:12 [intgr]
Pandora does that.
18:39:21 [SnadB0y_]
yes, that can be done by pandora
18:39:24 [SnadB0y_]
or even mit
18:39:28 [SnadB0y_]
mit does this same thing
18:39:40 [intgr]
Oh.
18:39:45 [SnadB0y_]
but my point is that usually people work the otherway around to find math from music
18:39:49 [SnadB0y_]
but i want the reverse
18:39:53 [SnadB0y_]
music from math
18:40:11 [SnadB0y_]
and to find signatures, that leads to quality music
18:40:18 [intgr]
Okay.
18:40:26 [SnadB0y_]
i heard that mit is working on a 3d model in which one can nagvigate to clusters
18:40:33 [SnadB0y_]
clusters are of similar music
18:40:48 [SnadB0y_]
like summer of 69, and its my life
18:40:59 [intgr]
Three is a very low number of dimensions for something as complex as music.
18:41:19 [SnadB0y_]
so when they get a new music they put it in a cluster
18:41:43 [SnadB0y_]
or see if it belongs to any if it does .. they try to predict the commercial success of that score
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18:42:00 [SnadB0y_]
3d is less... but visually.. what better can we do?
18:42:15 [intgr]
Oh, just for visual representation, not similarity?
18:42:15 [SnadB0y_]
atleast that's their interface...
18:42:23 [SnadB0y_]
both
18:42:47 [intgr]
Odd.
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18:43:32 [SnadB0y_]
so what i was intending with this project is that brainz has a nice identification technique and a cool collection already... if i am able to give them a whole deal of new variety of data... that can be used for anything
18:43:53 [SnadB0y_]
probably even give the user generated music for a margin...
18:44:04 [SnadB0y_]
so people can earn while they mess around with eqn
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18:44:12 [intgr]
MusicIP could get mad if you use their data for unexpected purposes. :)
18:44:23 [SnadB0y_]
and this is specially targeted towards kids so that , they lEARN math
18:44:28 [SnadB0y_]
and they dont know it
18:44:35 [SnadB0y_]
see i dont use Music as such
18:44:41 [SnadB0y_]
thus im generating it from math
18:44:45 [SnadB0y_]
and users are doing it for me
18:45:11 [SnadB0y_]
users> mathmusic
18:45:15 [SnadB0y_]
sorry
18:45:47 [Prodoc]
Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds a lot like what MusicIP is doing at the moment
18:45:52 [SnadB0y_]
users>mathmusic>listens/voters>datacollection>researchers>artists for buying tracks
18:46:06 [SnadB0y_]
this is kind of the way i was intending to
18:46:10 [intgr]
Prodoc: Only that MusicIP is using real songs and he wants to generate himself.
18:46:42 [SnadB0y_]
thnx intgr
18:46:57 [Prodoc]
but musicbrainz isn't about creating music
18:47:14 [SnadB0y_]
i know
18:47:20 [Prodoc]
not the last time I looked anyway ;-)
18:47:24 [SnadB0y_]
but music data is?
18:47:30 [Prodoc]
aye
18:47:32 [intgr]
SnadB0y_: If you're going to generate the music yourself then surely you're better off using the generation data as a basis for similarity analysis, not some third party analysis software?
18:47:33 [SnadB0y_]
and thats what i want to create
18:47:50 [intgr]
Metadata.
18:48:04 [intgr]
And you're not likely to generate much of that, unless you start releasing albums. :)
18:48:09 [SnadB0y_]
yeah...
18:48:15 [SnadB0y_]
thats why i want music brain
18:48:20 [SnadB0y_]
coz you guys have it
18:48:43 [SnadB0y_]
the fingerprinting solution
18:48:46 [SnadB0y_]
the whole works
18:49:22 [intgr]
Fingerprinting is MusicIP's, and I'm not sure if they allow third parties to make use of their acoustic analysis data.
18:50:02 [intgr]
Resolving fingerprints to PUIDs is the only free service they provide.
18:50:12 [Prodoc]
Philip Glass did a pretty good job creating a formula for music, just like George Lucas kind of did for movies
18:50:18 [SnadB0y_]
hmmm that seems to be an issue
18:50:43 [intgr]
libfooid is an open source fingerprinting software.
18:51:02 [SnadB0y_]
how about TRM ?
18:51:10 [intgr]
TRM was proprietary as well.
18:51:19 [warp]
crap.
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18:51:43 [Prodoc]
and flawed
18:51:46 [intgr]
But libfooid only does fingerprinting, not further acoustic analysis like MusicIP.
18:51:58 [SnadB0y_]
in my project proposal i intend to do the stuff to make data collection...
18:52:19 [SnadB0y_]
fingerprinting is a whole deal bigger...
18:52:46 [intgr]
Fingerprinting only catches acoustic similarity, not music taste similarity.
18:52:56 [SnadB0y_]
yes thats what i want...
18:53:16 [SnadB0y_]
plus the mathematical similarity can be found coz the music is generated is from math and we can save that data as well :D
18:53:24 [intgr]
Err...
18:53:38 [Prodoc]
SnadB0y_: like intgr pointed out, you might be interested in http://www.foosic.org
18:53:53 [Prodoc]
opensource fingerprinting
18:54:01 [SnadB0y_]
yeah.... i will look into it
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18:54:43 [intgr]
SnadB0y_: Your goal is to find out what kinds of patterns and more complex qualities people like, not what frequency ranges people like.
18:54:48 [intgr]
what kind of *
18:55:08 [SnadB0y_]
kind of both
18:55:24 [SnadB0y_]
see
18:55:30 [SnadB0y_]
i dont know how to tell this
18:55:43 [SnadB0y_]
the reason i thought about this is a parallel idea
18:55:46 [intgr]
The only goal of fingerprinting is to detect "how likely are these two tracks copies of the same material", and be very fast at that.
18:56:02 [SnadB0y_]
like i want to know the whole picture.
18:56:15 [intgr]
The goal of acoustic analysis is "how likely is a person to like track X if he liked track Y"
18:56:34 [SnadB0y_]
yes i want that data so that i can pick out the real good ones
18:56:55 [intgr]
libFooID, OFA or MusicBrainz don't do the latter.
18:57:05 [SnadB0y_]
relational model... of music interests...
18:57:15 [SnadB0y_]
there is a cheaper way
18:57:27 [intgr]
"Relational" is completely out of place here.
18:57:34 [SnadB0y_]
how about i track users with a cookie who votes on this music also votes on another music
18:57:58 [SnadB0y_]
i dont like logins, it scares away most of the people
18:58:29 [intgr]
Well, yeah, preferably you would correlate that data with the feature similarity of the listened tracks.
18:58:34 [Prodoc]
than I will be a very confusing source of info for you ;-)
18:58:42 [intgr]
The feature similarity can be as simple as your input to the audio generator.
18:58:57 [SnadB0y_]
true...
18:59:05 [intgr]
But fingerprinting simply does not fit anywhere.
18:59:08 [SnadB0y_]
that just opend up a new view intgr
19:00:06 [SnadB0y_]
see why i wanted to see if music were similar to an exisitng list of music is because.. if i find a cluster thats got a similar music... i hav a similar music math eqn! so.....
19:00:13 [SnadB0y_]
it could be useful as well...
19:00:30 [intgr]
Again: you're looking for similar music styles, not similar raw audio data.
19:00:40 [SnadB0y_]
yes i know
19:00:58 [intgr]
Right.
19:01:01 [SnadB0y_]
but i know if a score of my gen music reaches a cluster... i know what math eqn did it take to reach there
19:01:08 [SnadB0y_]
so tis kinda reverse DSP
19:01:29 [intgr]
Right.
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19:02:01 [intgr]
So you agree with me about fingerprinting being irrelevant?
19:02:24 [SnadB0y_]
but to do that... i dont have a clue on fingerprinting technology... so i thought i could donate this data i create... to opensource fingerprinting projects
19:02:32 [SnadB0y_]
yes at this point its irrelevant
19:03:20 [SnadB0y_]
my whole idea is very abstract....like what music does to brain.. how and why we feel happy.. what math got to do with music... so both gives... which math controls happiness
19:03:32 [SnadB0y_]
that was the wave that led me to this idea
19:03:45 [SnadB0y_]
i got no idea how to connect it to the brain
19:03:58 [SnadB0y_]
but i am sure i can get part of the research info from this
19:04:25 [intgr]
Do you have any insight into artificial music generator algorithms?
19:04:43 [SnadB0y_]
i have an idea
19:05:49 [intgr]
Of a viable one that, most of the time, actually manages to generate music that people can bear listening to?
19:06:25 [intgr]
I am not aware of any that would be original at the same time.
19:06:40 [SnadB0y_]
thats, something i have to work on..
19:06:51 [SnadB0y_]
bear listening too
19:07:43 [SnadB0y_]
but what the heck .. i got all the free time ever... for the 3 months starting may.. i got nothing ... but atleast 72 hrs/ week to work on
19:07:46 [SnadB0y_]
atleast
19:08:43 [intgr]
Well, that's where I would start.
19:10:04 [intgr]
No offense, but I would predict failure of that, at this point.
19:10:20 [intgr]
Unless you're a genius, that is. :)
19:11:10 [SnadB0y_]
let me not be the judge of be , but you.
19:11:30 [SnadB0y_]
me* for the second be
19:11:58 [SnadB0y_]
too sleepy... my time zone has been messed up with PDT.. for quite a while...
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19:12:11 [yorian]
hi everyone
19:12:16 [SnadB0y_]
thats a whole difference of 7+5:30 hrs
19:12:27 [intgr]
Well, don't take me wrong, I'm not judging you.
19:12:28 [yorian]
I have a nasty problem: I try to cluster files with picard, but it just doesn't work
19:12:34 [SnadB0y_]
no problem
19:12:38 [intgr]
And whatever learned will be beneficial whether you're successful or not.
19:12:46 [SnadB0y_]
u gave me quite a lot of to think of
19:12:52 [yorian]
sometimes it works half, but almost always it just doesn't work, no matter what I select
19:13:02 [SnadB0y_]
and besides... ideas are not born... they are created
19:13:04 [yorian]
anyone has an idea what I do wrong?
19:13:06 [intgr]
But I wouldn't suggest making great plans before you start reaching usable stuff on that stage.
19:13:46 [SnadB0y_]
yeah thats the way i work
19:13:59 [SnadB0y_]
i tend to spend real time on the core algos
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19:15:18 [SnadB0y_]
so i got to go intgr
19:15:22 [SnadB0y_]
thnx a billion
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can i hav your name so that i can add to my later publication, refrences and stuff
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chud
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20:03:55 [warp]
* warp invites everyone to take part in the unreleased album bla bla discussion on mb-style ;)
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20:05:04 [BrianG]
move it tot he forums and i'll consider
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20:09:28 [Kerensky97]
Especially since that's where it started. But since half of the users refuse to setup a login to the forums...
20:09:31 [Kerensky97]
* Kerensky97 wanders off mubling about how having two discussion areas adds too much confusion.
20:10:13 [warp]
* warp agrees.
20:11:34 [warp]
but i don't see an easy way to solve that, the culture and way of interacting on a mailing-list is so different from a forum. i can understand that users of either one wouldn't be happy with the other.
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20:14:36 [Kerensky97]
yep. Which is why creating the question in both places is the best and only thing we can do.
20:14:55 [warp]
Kerensky97: ok, should i make a thread for it in style discussion then?
20:15:52 [luks]
* luks is tempted to rename "Style Discussion" to "Style Questions"...
20:15:58 [Kerensky97]
I thought you already did.
20:16:16 [Kerensky97]
^^warp
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20:17:24 [warp]
Kerensky97: no, i posted to the mailing list, as that seemed the more appropriate place.
20:18:12 [warp]
luks: looking forward to your reply, since i know you differ in opinion from mine :)
20:18:38 [luks]
sorry, I'm not going to participate in that discussion :)
20:18:38 [BrianG]
maybe it just needs a new release type
20:18:56 [BrianG]
er.. status
20:19:03 [BrianG]
unofficial or pending or something
20:19:18 [warp]
luks: aw :(
20:19:48 [luks]
I've seen much more messed up "promo" releases than fixed ones
20:19:58 [Kerensky97]
Oh, no there's no need in the forums. http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=371 is basically the same thing. Technically even if people on the forums come to a consensus on how the style should be it's not official untill the people in the mailing list agree to it.
20:19:58 [luks]
I don't think anything is going to change my opinion on this
20:20:34 [BrianG]
i don't know how i feel about it really
20:21:50 [warp]
luks: i'm not looking to change your opinion, i'm just interested why you'd be against it.
20:22:12 [luks]
that was said many times before...
20:22:52 [warp]
Kerensky97: hm, yes.
20:24:09 [warp]
luks: i haven't been reading the mailinglists until recently, so this stuff on the forums is the first time i came across it.
20:25:28 [BrianG]
* BrianG waits one hundred years for the digest to arrive
20:25:40 [warp]
:)
20:26:48 [warp]
BrianG: http://www.nabble.com/forthcoming-albums-and-their-tracks.-tf3488241s2885.html
20:34:13 [BrianG]
weird that this is in my tops albums, but none of my data contains (Album version) http://www.last.fm/music/Aloha/Some+Echoes
20:36:00 [Prodoc]
* Prodoc still wonders if it would be an idea to add an AR section to the forum
20:36:30 [BrianG]
this post is the earliest version of this post
20:36:37 [BrianG]
this post is a cover of that post
20:36:40 [warp]
lol
20:37:03 [Prodoc]
:-P
20:37:04 [warp]
this post is a translitarated version ...
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20:37:29 [Prodoc]
I mean since we have one for style issues as well...
20:37:58 [warp]
what kind of post(s) are you thinking of which don't go in style discussion?
20:38:12 [BrianG]
i can't wait to get a black wii.
20:38:26 [Kerensky97]
With the HDMI interface?
20:38:28 [warp]
* warp can.
20:38:40 [Prodoc]
I feel that the style mailing list is misused for AR discussions as well
20:38:42 [warp]
i'm still waiting for good games to show up on the platform :)
20:38:54 [BrianG]
:P
20:39:17 [BrianG]
i could entertain myself with wii play forever
20:39:35 [warp]
it lasted about an evening for me.
20:39:58 [warp]
although i did enjoy a game of that neon pong against a co-worker today.
20:40:07 [BrianG]
thats my least favorite
20:40:12 [warp]
really?
20:40:16 [BrianG]
yeah
20:40:21 [Prodoc]
ARs are something else than style guidelines
20:40:23 [BrianG]
i like the shooting range one the most i think
20:40:36 [BrianG]
and also fishing and mii finder or whatever it is
20:40:52 [warp]
it's my favourite, it starts out really fidgety and not being able to do _anything_, but after several games spread out over a few days, you finally start to get the hang of it.
20:41:09 [warp]
i hate the mii finding thing :S
20:41:18 [BrianG]
what about the mii pose thing?
20:41:26 [warp]
hm.. annoying too.
20:41:32 [BrianG]
i can't get anyone to play that one with me, they get pissed i steal their bubbles
20:41:34 [warp]
most of it is annoying really :)
20:41:40 [warp]
haha
20:42:04 [BrianG]
the wario game has a cool stacking mini game
20:42:12 [BrianG]
have you played that one?
20:42:27 [warp]
smooth moves or something?
20:42:31 [VxJasonxV]
Wario Ware: Smooth Moves was so fun
20:42:34 [VxJasonxV]
such madness
20:42:35 [VxJasonxV]
but so fun
20:42:38 [BrianG]
it's insane
20:42:51 [BrianG]
(the regular game)
20:42:52 [VxJasonxV]
Raving Rabbids was interesting
20:42:58 [BrianG]
i haven't played that one yet
20:43:09 [VxJasonxV]
it's a gaggle of mini-games
20:43:12 [VxJasonxV]
lots of fun ones too
20:43:14 [Prodoc]
anyway... time for a nap again, this Wii talk makes me sleepy, goodnight all!
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20:43:23 [VxJasonxV]
they have a Rails Shooter (think: Lethal Enforcers, Area51, etc.)
20:43:25 [VxJasonxV]
and it was SO MUCH FUN
20:43:27 [warp]
i did play it a bit, i have to get used to it. the presentation is somewhat lacking, it's somewhat dissapointing when you're familiar with the gameboy and gamecube wario wares.
20:43:28 [BrianG]
oh shit
20:43:33 [BrianG]
time crisis?
20:43:35 [VxJasonxV]
yes
20:43:39 [VxJasonxV]
that style of shooting game
20:43:42 [BrianG]
nice
20:43:44 [VxJasonxV]
yeah
20:43:50 [BrianG]
i've spent so much money on time crisis 2
20:43:53 [VxJasonxV]
I want to play it again so badly
20:43:57 [VxJasonxV]
* VxJasonxV is in debt though
20:44:02 [VxJasonxV]
in a manner of speaking at least
20:44:10 [VxJasonxV]
more like "I have other things I should be concerned about paying for"
20:44:14 [BrianG]
mail man brought me a tax return check today
20:44:15 [warp]
raving rabbids isn't really my thing, excellent presentation, but not much substance IMO.
20:44:19 [BrianG]
yeah man, same here
20:44:52 [VxJasonxV]
I have to pay this year -_-
20:45:04 [warp]
* warp doesn't know yet.
20:45:04 [VxJasonxV]
which makes things worse
20:45:12 [BrianG]
pay what?
20:45:15 [warp]
taxes.
20:45:15 [VxJasonxV]
taxes
20:45:18 [VxJasonxV]
federal and state
20:45:19 [BrianG]
oh yeah duh
20:45:22 [VxJasonxV]
;)
20:45:26 [VxJasonxV]
hey BrianG
20:45:29 [VxJasonxV]
put the tax return to use
20:45:31 [VxJasonxV]
Buy me a Wii! :D
20:45:31 [BrianG]
hey VxJasonxV
20:45:33 [VxJasonxV]
<_<
20:45:33 [BrianG]
hah
20:45:38 [warp]
donate to MB!
20:45:46 [BrianG]
i have to buy new sneakers first
20:45:51 [warp]
or that ..
20:45:52 [VxJasonxV]
Buy ruaok a Wii! :D
20:45:58 [VxJasonxV]
shoes are cheap
20:46:00 [warp]
noooo, don't!
20:46:03 [VxJasonxV]
:P
20:46:05 [warp]
ruaok needs to code ;)
20:46:07 [warp]
j/k
20:46:17 [BrianG]
i want to try stumbleupon on the wii
20:47:14 [warp]
* warp just got the wii at work online a few days ago.
20:47:24 [warp]
found an old airport extreme in a box.
20:47:25 [BrianG]
oh has anyone played the surgery game?
20:47:41 [warp]
BrianG: hm.. not my kind of thing.
20:47:45 [BrianG]
i have it on DS
20:47:48 [BrianG]
it's very hard
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20:50:42 [Jugdish]
you actually perform surgery?
20:50:57 [BrianG]
yeah
20:51:05 [Jugdish]
interesting
20:51:25 [BrianG]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trauma_Center:_Under_the_Knife
20:51:25 [Jugdish]
and the procedures are like...accurate?
20:51:31 [BrianG]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trauma_Center:_Second_Opinion
20:51:45 [BrianG]
i don't think too accurate, but i'm not a doctor
20:51:52 [BrianG]
i just play one on DS
20:53:00 [Jugdish]
heh
20:57:02 [BrianG]
i'm still playing Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Justice for All
20:57:43 [warp]
* warp would like to play one of those phoenix wrights some day.
20:58:09 [BrianG]
lots of typos :P
20:59:34 [warp]
i'm currently playing pump it up a lot on psp.
21:00:11 [warp]
that's all i need really, just give me some nice music-rhythm to play on the train :)
21:01:21 [warp]
hm.. looks like that stumbleupon stuff isn't really my thing.
21:03:26 [VxJasonxV]
trauma center was so fun :O
21:04:02 [BrianG]
it reminds me of M*A*S*H for Atari 2600
21:04:06 [BrianG]
but way cooler
21:04:31 [BigMcLargeHuge]
is there any directions on how to setup a musicbrainz server with apache2 ?
21:06:10 [Kerensky97]
Heh. Nice name, that MST3K episode is my favorite.
21:06:37 [BigMcLargeHuge]
im suprised how many people know that
21:07:06 [BigMcLargeHuge]
Playing online game people tell me Hey that name is awsome
21:07:12 [BrianG]
some how i missed out on MST3K
21:07:26 [BrianG]
really? i get taht all the time too with this name.
21:07:29 [BigMcLargeHuge]
get it on DVD its just as good now
21:08:12 [BrianG]
warp still runs os2/warp
21:08:33 [BrianG]
os/2 warp
21:08:36 [warp]
i never used it :S
21:09:19 [Jugdish]
which MST3k is it from?
21:09:21 [Kerensky97]
"Put your helmet on, we'll be reaching speeds of... 3" XD
21:09:25 [Kerensky97]
That's it I'm watching that when i get home.
21:09:33 [Kerensky97]
"Space Mutiny"
21:09:38 [Jugdish]
heh
21:10:01 [Jugdish]
i wish mst3k was still around
21:10:27 [Kerensky97]
yeah, I never got into it untill after it was over.
21:10:34 [Jugdish]
they'd have a field day with any movie done by uwe boll
21:11:28 [Jugdish]
oh my god...they're making an Alone in the Dark II?
21:11:46 [Jugdish]
that shouldn't be legal
21:11:51 [BrianG]
they need to make After Dark
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again
21:12:52 [Kerensky97]
"With the help of his ex-girlfriend, archeologist Aline Cedrac (Tara Reid)" Must be a comedy.
21:13:48 [Jugdish]
sadly, it wasn't meant to be
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