IRC log of musicbrainz on 2007-04-14

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00:10:17 [SenRepus]
ok, so i have a question
00:10:39 [SenRepus]
if a song is popularly credited to one artist, but was actually recorded first by another
00:10:51 [SenRepus]
does the cover of AR go to the first person to record it?
00:11:03 [SenRepus]
or to the people the covering band thought they were covering
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00:20:25 [srotta]
I think even the cover AR wiki page is ambivalent on that, stating that both approaches have merit.
00:21:10 [srotta]
And I sort of agree. But on the other hand, the general rule is "link to the earliest", so since both have merit, I don't see any reason for changing that policy.
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00:25:30 [SenRepus]
now, in this case, though, the song was written by a third (fourth?) person, and the first 2 versions really arent covers in the sense wethink of today
00:25:38 [SenRepus]
would you relate the two though, with a cover ar?
00:26:13 [srotta]
Hmm, sounds like something I thought about adding an AR once and then left it out because I couldn't decide what to do :P
00:27:20 [srotta]
I just don't remember what the song was. The second (the more well-known) changed the melody somewhat, and most people cover that.
00:27:34 [srotta]
Yeah, there's been talk about covering a specific cover version of an original song.
00:28:26 [srotta]
I don't really like the idea, but on the other hand, it makes sense too. Particularly when there's some significant change in the song - typically translated lyrics.
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00:30:18 [SenRepus]
oooh
00:30:28 [SenRepus]
maybe "is the earliest version of" ?
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00:33:55 [srotta]
When the artist changes, that's not good.
00:34:50 [srotta]
As a compromise, if there are real differences in the two versions, I'd add a cover AR from the later to the earliest, and then add those newer covers to that popular one.
00:37:26 [SenRepus]
i really dont know if there is...
00:37:36 [SenRepus]
they are from 1958 and 1962, respectivly
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00:39:50 [srotta]
What's the track?
00:43:10 [SenRepus]
http://musicbrainz.org/track/16523315-c46a-4523-924a-61eccbcf3922.html
00:43:30 [SenRepus]
the more noteworthy track being by ray charles
00:45:47 [srotta]
I haven't heard the original either :P
00:48:20 [srotta]
And now it bothers me that I don't remember the song I was adding the AR for.
00:49:11 [SenRepus]
lol
00:51:34 [srotta]
Sometimes cover information just transforms.
00:53:20 [srotta]
For example, a few years ago there was a huge hit in Finland, "Rakkauden haudalla", by Jonna Tervomaa. She was commended for it everywhere, I heard radio dj's comparing her version to the original by Juice and that it was at least as good, if not better than the original.
00:53:43 [srotta]
Thing is, Juice did write that that song, but he never performed it. He wrote it for another artist. Oops.
00:56:08 [SenRepus]
heh
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04:47:17 [ph1zzle|laptop]
hey all
04:48:34 [ph1zzle|laptop]
I have a question, I am using the musicbrainz database for development at the moment and was updating the database, I am now getting errors saying my database is old basically, it says that I am using version 7 and current is version 8, is there any known way to upgrade the database I have without doing a full re install of the DB?
04:56:03 [ph1zzle|laptop_]
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04:57:05 [ph1zzle|laptop_]
hey all, I just asked a question in here a minute ago before a system update killed my network connection and I don't know if it got posted so hear goes again
04:57:53 [ph1zzle|laptop_]
I am using the database itself and I am no longer able to get updates because I have database 7 and now appearently 8 is the current one, is there a way to upgrade my database without doing a full reinstall
04:57:54 [ph1zzle|laptop_]
?
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...
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05:03:35 [warp]
phizzle: perhaps if you stick around someone will come along to answer your question.
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I plan to, just had a few network troubles on my part is all
05:04:23 [warp]
hehe, ok :)
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05:05:07 [ph1zzle|laptop]
I had to reboot after I had my net drop from a apt-get upgrade on a devl version of ubuntu then I needed to change my ip so that I could do ftp with this router
05:05:09 [ph1zzle|laptop]
etc etc etc
05:05:19 [ph1zzle|laptop]
lol, but I should be here now for a while, lol
05:05:47 [warp]
ok. seems no one else is awake right now, and i don't know the answer to your question.
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: quit
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oops
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j/k
05:07:08 [ph1zzle|laptop]
I just read in one of the readme files that RDF is really gone now... cool
05:07:29 [ph1zzle|laptop]
I wonder if thats what changed the database... or well I assume at least part of the change
05:08:19 [ph1zzle|laptop]
I think I am probably just going to do a fresh install... well maybe, I would still like to know if I could upgrade somehow for future reference either way
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07:23:07 [nightgroove]
Jugdish: if you're alive, you should do a "Mike Campbell was supporting musician for" Tom Petty" AR, they exists exactly for this scenario.
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07:25:06 [catgroove]
skjera'?
07:25:52 [NotSen]
?
07:26:04 [catgroove]
basically wassup in .no
07:26:44 [NotSen]
i done froze my computer
07:26:52 [catgroove]
:(
07:27:04 [catgroove]
I'm fixing that that album you know
07:27:10 [catgroove]
they are not covers
07:27:22 [catgroove]
I read some different pages, and http://www.letrud.no/herreavdelingen/arkivet/felg.htm
07:27:36 [catgroove]
its in norwegian thoug, so it might not be so usefull
07:27:45 [catgroove]
(for a non norwegian, that is)
07:27:57 [NotSen]
lol thats why i gave it to you :p
07:28:07 [catgroove]
thank ye thank ye
07:29:21 [catgroove]
felg i solnedgang is a pun on 'elg i solnedgang'
07:29:27 [catgroove]
()moose in sunset
07:29:35 [catgroove]
a typical "norwegian" thinger
07:29:35 [NotSen]
lol
07:29:42 [catgroove]
felg is something on a car
07:30:40 [catgroove]
narf sen, if you're not buzzy, could have some votes? http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=38393
07:30:45 [catgroove]
busy even
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07:31:25 [SenRepus]
could you send that again
07:32:26 [catgroove]
sure, nå prøblem
07:32:34 [catgroove]
http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=38393
07:33:23 [catgroove]
sen, how are you about eating fish?
07:33:38 [catgroove]
I know you don't eat meat (I remember you're a vegitarian)
07:33:57 [warp]
* warp doesn't eat fish.
07:34:00 [SenRepus]
no fish
07:34:05 [warp]
goodmorning mo, sen.
07:34:06 [catgroove]
ok
07:34:09 [SenRepus]
morning
07:34:13 [catgroove]
hi kunowarp
07:34:21 [SenRepus]
a show on squid fishing is what tipped the scale for me
07:34:47 [catgroove]
yeees. but this isn't seafod, this is fish
07:34:55 [catgroove]
I wouldn't eat squid either
07:35:00 [catgroove]
it protects its babies
07:35:19 [SenRepus]
i know but its just kind of related
07:35:20 [catgroove]
squid seems so friendly and intelligent
07:35:36 [catgroove]
* catgroove saw a show on them too
07:35:40 [catgroove]
ok ^__^
07:36:05 [warp]
i can't be bothered to figure out which kinds of animals are treated nicely and which aren't, so i just don't eat any of them.
07:36:37 [warp]
with fish there's also the thing of just way too much fishing going on. not bothering with that either.
07:36:37 [SenRepus]
good call
07:36:38 [catgroove]
I try to get a hold of ecological food stuffs whenever I can
07:36:52 [catgroove]
but I still eat meat
07:37:06 [SenRepus]
im kind of more worried about the impact on the planet and economy more than animals being treated nicely, though, when you get down to it
07:37:22 [catgroove]
I worry a lot about wether
07:37:28 [catgroove]
lol all gore opened my eyes :P
07:37:38 [warp]
catgroove: in principle, that would be fine for me too. but i don't feel like investing the time in looking into if those animals are treated well enough.
07:37:55 [warp]
SenRepus: ah, ok.
07:38:04 [catgroove]
I saw diagrams (on Opera of all places) it put things in perspective for me
07:38:07 [catgroove]
it really did
07:38:15 [SenRepus]
though i think its everyones right to choose for themselves what they do or dont eat
07:38:27 [catgroove]
warp: well this is norway, if they say its Ecological it *is* ecological, my people are anal on this sort ofthing
07:38:36 [catgroove]
it's got a special mark and everything
07:38:44 [catgroove]
sweet sen
07:39:01 [warp]
catgroove: sure, it's got a special mark here too. and i'm sure it meets all the requirements which are needed to get the mark.
07:39:13 [catgroove]
oh?
07:39:22 [catgroove]
has it gotten bad press?
07:39:31 [SenRepus]
where are you from warp>?
07:39:35 [warp]
SenRepus: .nl
07:39:41 [catgroove]
someone made4 an exposee?
07:40:25 [SenRepus]
i dont know if its the same in other countries, but here in america a mark of quality usually doesnt mean anything, because often times the marks are just made up by someone who wants to help make some brands look better than others for some extra money
07:40:40 [warp]
SenRepus: it's not as bad here :)
07:40:41 [catgroove]
mhhmmm
07:41:15 [catgroove]
it's a little bit likethat everywhere, but here we also have still free press, if anything was like this with debio. well they'd crack down on the mile a tonn of bricks
07:41:22 [warp]
catgroove: well, _I_ don't know exactly what the mark means... what kind of requirements bio-meat has to follow, etc..
07:41:39 [catgroove]
oh, biomeat is hard to get, only specialised fodstores have m
07:41:42 [catgroove]
em*
07:41:48 [warp]
catgroove: i could look it up, see if it's good enough. but it just seems easier to not eat meat at all for the time being.
07:42:04 [catgroove]
okidoki
07:42:23 [SenRepus]
* SenRepus is hungry
07:42:29 [catgroove]
I ponder tho, what do you eat for protein? nuts are limited (allergies) so soya? I know soy has lots of protein
07:42:33 [warp]
oh, i've purchase bio chicken and pig in the more expensive supermarkets here.
07:42:36 [warp]
purchased.
07:42:50 [warp]
catgroove: i have no idea about that stuff :)
07:42:54 [catgroove]
I drank soy milk one time
07:43:04 [catgroove]
it wasn't bad.. but it shouldn't have been so thin
07:43:21 [warp]
catgroove: i didn't eat any vegetables at all until about 3 years ago. i figure if i don't eat any meat for the next 20 years, it should balance out ;)
07:43:26 [catgroove]
frightfully I couldn't do without milk
07:43:33 [catgroove]
lol
07:43:50 [catgroove]
only eco milk tho
07:43:57 [catgroove]
and I mean only
07:44:04 [catgroove]
it tastes better to, it does
07:44:42 [catgroove]
lol although here, we had an exposee, turns out that they (the dairy thing) had so much ecomilk that they put some in te regular milk too, since they had more than they needed
07:44:55 [catgroove]
so random people buing regular milk got eco milk instead
07:44:57 [catgroove]
lol
07:44:59 [warp]
ah. i don't like dairy products. except cheese.
07:45:12 [catgroove]
* catgroove can't LIVE without milk
07:45:16 [catgroove]
srsly
07:45:17 [warp]
i don't go out of my way to figure out which cheeses are vegetarian and which aren't.
07:45:25 [catgroove]
ah
07:45:36 [SenRepus]
i dont want to survive without dairy products
07:45:48 [catgroove]
sen you drink milk?
07:45:49 [SenRepus]
:p
07:46:07 [SenRepus]
nah, ill consume milk but i dont specifically drink milk as like, a beverage
07:46:14 [catgroove]
lolla
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07:46:19 [SenRepus]
i dont actually like the taste, unless its had some cookies in it or is chocolate
07:46:21 [catgroove]
I drink milk, when I'm hungry
07:46:32 [catgroove]
I like the taste
07:46:37 [warp]
the thing i want to become more concious of is clothes and stuff. how much slavery goes into that and bla.
07:46:40 [catgroove]
but if I'm thirsty. I have to drink cola
07:46:49 [catgroove]
and if im hot and *really* thirsty, its water
07:46:56 [catgroove]
:(
07:46:59 [warp]
* warp is no longer a real man.
07:47:07 [catgroove]
* catgroove pets warp
07:47:10 [warp]
* warp started drinking coca cola light instead of actual coca cola.
07:47:15 [catgroove]
you're alright by me
07:47:22 [warp]
;)
07:48:07 [catgroove]
I don't drink diet sodas. the diet sugar plays havok with my system and I think it tastes foul
07:48:10 [SenRepus]
* SenRepus mourns warp
07:48:19 [catgroove]
tullesen
07:48:28 [warp]
mostly i try to drink water, but somehow.. when coding,.. i just crave coca cola.
07:48:34 [catgroove]
hehe
07:48:40 [catgroove]
cokacola is insane
07:48:48 [catgroove]
its baaaad for yas
07:48:50 [catgroove]
lollololo
07:48:57 [catgroove]
i'm addicted
07:48:59 [catgroove]
whoo
07:49:00 [warp]
haha
07:49:08 [catgroove]
coca cola is my coffee
07:49:36 [SenRepus]
god, the faint need to release their new CD and stop touring... i need some new songs to listen to
07:49:40 [catgroove]
i drank cola as a kid. after years me and my mom switched to pepsi allofasudden
07:49:42 [warp]
well, that's why i switched to the light stuff. atleast i won't get fat from it now ;)
07:49:51 [catgroove]
just recently we switched to cola again
07:50:00 [warp]
ah.. weird
07:50:02 [SenRepus]
if i dont get my caffine i get a headache... but after thats gone im fine. i go on and off of it
07:50:07 [warp]
i never really liked pepsi.
07:50:10 [catgroove]
after a time. we'll switch again
07:50:14 [warp]
hehe
07:50:17 [SenRepus]
i dont like pepsi or coke :p
07:50:26 [warp]
i boycotted coca for a while here, because they inflated the prices way too much.
07:50:39 [catgroove]
although we buy inexpensive cola, cheap versions at lidel and such. it was just as good
07:50:48 [catgroove]
bastards
07:51:13 [warp]
they stopped making the 1.5l vanilla coke (EUR 0.92), and replaced with a new 1l bottle at EUR 1.15. waaah!
07:51:29 [SenRepus]
fucking router
07:51:44 [catgroove]
ershj
07:51:51 [catgroove]
i MISS pepsi crystal
07:51:55 [catgroove]
and seven up ice
07:51:58 [catgroove]
they where GOOD
07:52:00 [warp]
hm, never heard of those.
07:52:07 [catgroove]
I still have a seven up ice in thefridge
07:52:29 [catgroove]
ya, they test drive new drinks in norway before they do them elsewhere.. ive heard
07:52:31 [warp]
* warp wonders why there's no dr. pepper light.
07:52:35 [SenRepus]
does anyone know why my router refuses to listen to me?
07:52:46 [warp]
SenRepus: it's a linksys?
07:52:48 [catgroove]
it's bad, you should spank it
07:52:51 [SenRepus]
i keep telling it which modem i want it to connect too and it jus... yes :(
07:53:00 [SenRepus]
it is
07:53:06 [warp]
well, that's why.
07:53:28 [SenRepus]
it wont stop connecting to my neighbors wireless
07:53:33 [catgroove]
:((
07:53:35 [warp]
in a previous job i've seen a fair amount of linksys adsl routers which just don't keep settings well.
07:53:37 [catgroove]
dumme
07:54:48 [warp]
SenRepus: flash it with openwrt or join the FON community.
07:54:50 [warp]
?
07:55:20 [warp]
(disclaimer: i have no experience with either of those)
07:55:44 [SenRepus]
i dont even know what those are
07:56:47 [warp]
openwrt is more or less linux for linksys routers, lots of people weren't happy with the linksys firmware,.. so wrote their own.
07:57:50 [warp]
FON also has similar software, but it is specifically made so you can share your wifi at home with other FON members, and in turn you can use their wifi when you're not at home.
07:58:09 [warp]
www.fon.com for that last one. google for openwrt.
07:58:22 [catgroove]
SenRepus: http://musicbrainz.org/release/0462cb44-c33a-4f08-8e3d-2a4accea3fa9.html
07:58:28 [catgroove]
I fixert0d
07:59:02 [warp]
SenRepus: again, i have no experience with either of those. but if you have this much trouble with your current linksys, it might be worth looking into.
08:01:47 [catgroove]
thanks sen and warp for votes
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08:04:14 [catgroove]
oi
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can anyone advise on a musicbrainz editing question
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08:14:17 [Armitages]
Basically this album http://musicbrainz.org/release/44adb4ae-c6a7-4366-a6a1-233e83a289e8.html is not being recognised as a various artists release. From what I can tell the faq says to do a multiple artist conversion but it seems to be like that already
08:14:18 [warp]
not if you don't ask the question.
08:14:20 [warp]
:)
08:14:31 [SenRepus]
* SenRepus returns with good news
08:14:58 [Armitages]
so when i tag stuff I end up with 13 different artists each with a do you trust your friends folder and one track each
08:15:17 [SenRepus]
in picard?
08:15:23 [Armitages]
classic tagger
08:15:31 [Armitages]
10.5
08:15:41 [warp]
yikes.
08:15:44 [SenRepus]
nice
08:15:46 [warp]
* warp has never used the classic tagger.
08:15:47 [SenRepus]
finally someone i can talk to
08:16:41 [Armitages]
well ive never had a problem with the classic tagger before with various artists releases... ive definetly got it configured correctly.
08:16:53 [SenRepus]
ok, thats what i was about to ask
08:16:54 [Armitages]
just doesnt seem to be recognising this one.. maybe because its a remix album
08:17:25 [SenRepus]
it could have to do with the fact that the album is currently attributed to the artist "stars"
08:18:12 [SenRepus]
im going to test something
08:19:04 [SenRepus]
ok Armitages, try tagging it now, maybe start be restarting tagger or something though
08:19:11 [SenRepus]
warp: i got it to change
08:19:20 [warp]
SenRepus: yay, i hope it sticks now :)
08:19:24 [Armitages]
ok will try
08:19:38 [SenRepus]
i had to create a new profile with the settings i wanted, export it, open the .cfg and change it to the name "Default"...
08:19:43 [SenRepus]
rename it "Default.cfg"
08:19:52 [SenRepus]
import it, replace the current default
08:20:17 [SenRepus]
durring that time i also was updating my finicky video drive thing
08:20:43 [warp]
ah, nasty.
08:22:29 [Armitages]
SenRepus that appears to have done the trick
08:22:37 [SenRepus]
wait
08:22:39 [SenRepus]
no
08:22:40 [SenRepus]
it didnt work
08:22:57 [SenRepus]
thats really messed up, it said i was on my modem wheni started up and now im not XD
08:23:22 [SenRepus]
Armitages ok so that means that its a problem with the fact that our site was updated but tagger never was
08:23:41 [SenRepus]
va albums can now be attributed to artists isntead of the VA artist, so it makes tagger not tag them
08:24:12 [Armitages]
ah
08:24:39 [Armitages]
I was thinking that was the first time I saw a VA release under an artist alright
08:25:13 [SenRepus]
brb
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08:28:14 [SenRepus]
god
08:28:24 [SenRepus]
it completely disobeys me
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08:30:23 [Armitages]
thanks for your help with that. Just a quick followup though... is the classic tagger completely deprecated?
08:32:15 [SenRepus]
as in, does anyone update it? no, they dont
08:32:41 [SenRepus]
trm is also no longer supported, which is what the tagger uses, though trms are still on our site
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08:35:48 [Armitages]
hmm. Ok I guess its time to upgrade so.
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08:36:09 [Armitages]
well thanks again for all your help.
08:36:12 [Armitages]
cyas
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08:36:53 [SenRepus]
fuckign roughter
08:38:17 [SenRepus]
i wish i would have know that linksys is crap before i bought there stuff
08:38:42 [SenRepus]
i dont want to have to get into that confusing stuff that you mentioned warp
08:39:18 [warp]
SenRepus: yeah, i can imagine.
08:43:42 [SenRepus]
alright well i should crash now so brb
08:43:50 [warp]
goodnight.
08:43:56 [SenRepus]
no
08:43:57 [SenRepus]
my pc
08:44:01 [warp]
oh :)
08:44:04 [SenRepus]
:(
08:44:09 [warp]
:S
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09:43:35 [liquid_raven]
warp: are you running ion?
09:43:57 [warp]
not currently.
09:44:02 [liquid_raven]
oh.
09:44:22 [liquid_raven]
<-- does since...a couple of months or so
09:44:26 [warp]
* warp doesn't have a linux with X
09:44:30 [liquid_raven]
heh
09:44:39 [liquid_raven]
extra leetness points I suppose
09:44:48 [warp]
not really.
09:45:01 [warp]
i just use mac os x :). the linuxes are servers.
09:45:16 [liquid_raven]
ah. Negative leetness points then
09:45:19 [liquid_raven]
;)
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09:45:23 [warp]
i really liked ion when i was a student, nowadays I think it's too much fuss to configure properly.
09:45:44 [Prodoc]
mornin'
09:45:48 [warp]
i don't have time for that sort of thing anymore (also the reason i'm now using os X as a desktop os)
09:46:26 [liquid_raven]
that sounds kind of sad. I mean, what can you possibly be doing that's more important than spending endless time configuring stuff? ;)
09:47:12 [liquid_raven]
nah, off for breakfast
09:47:34 [warp]
liquid_raven: tagging music ofcourse.
09:47:48 [liquid_raven]
stupid me, of course
09:48:00 [warp]
* warp is currently busy endlessly migrating his IMAP from one server to the other.
09:48:14 [Prodoc]
I've got an interesting discussion for those who are in to ARs, please provide you point of view on the following matter: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6708427
09:50:24 [SenRepus]
"well..like i said...I don't like either of your 2 options and I still think my option is much better"
09:50:29 [SenRepus]
"im right and you are wrong"
09:50:47 [Freso]
Prodoc: I agree with you, fwiw.
09:51:31 [Prodoc]
SenRepus == drsaunde?
09:52:54 [warp]
Prodoc: i agree with drsaunde in principle, but acknowledge that there may a problem with a particular track being an exception to the toplevel, and no way to enter that in MB with current ARs.
09:53:53 [SenRepus]
no im SenRepus
09:54:12 [Prodoc]
ok, just checking ;-)
09:54:41 [SenRepus]
wasnt sure if that was a joke or not... im still not sure, heh
09:55:15 [luks]
warp: if there is an exception in one track, then it should be entered only on the track level
09:55:51 [Prodoc]
warp, I feel about that the same way and since we have to use what we have now...
09:55:51 [luks]
though, I'd prefer all these ARs on track level, but it's PITA to enter right now
09:56:03 [SenRepus]
i agree with luks
09:56:18 [Freso]
luks: Agree even more there.
09:56:20 [luks]
because once we will be able to merge tracks, it will be hard to get all track ARs if the track can be on multiple releases
09:56:26 [Prodoc]
luks, I've done that on some occasions as well when there where multiple exceptions
09:56:35 [Freso]
* Freso nods
09:57:23 [Freso]
* Freso has gotten used to endure the pain and now simple enter all non-album wide ARs on track-level
09:57:30 [warp]
luks: it seems more natural to me to record that a particular was written/composed by a person (with maybe one or two exceptions for tracks) than to have to enter it for each track.
09:57:46 [warp]
s/particular/particular album/
09:58:38 [luks]
I'd like to do something like this - http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/2292
09:58:39 [SenRepus]
but if we start merging tracks some day, that page you rarely go to will actually be useful
09:58:46 [SenRepus]
and you will want the ar info there too
09:59:05 [SenRepus]
because as it is now, no one goes to a track information page unless they are making an AR with it
09:59:07 [Freso]
warp: True. But when all tracks sans one is written by one artist, what then?
09:59:11 [SenRepus]
but one day...
10:00:05 [luks]
"one day" - track merging is already implemented...
10:00:16 [warp]
i guess the thing i'm pondering is,... are there situations where the composer you would want to attribute the release to is not the composer for the majority of tracks?
10:00:45 [Freso]
warp: Yes.
10:00:47 [luks]
yes, it happens a lot for soundtracks
10:00:51 [Freso]
warp: I'm entering plenty of these.
10:01:01 [Freso]
warp: Welcome to the world of folk music. :)
10:01:09 [warp]
Freso: in that case, the composer needs to be at the top-level, right?
10:01:21 [Prodoc]
luks, what a coincidence, I was pondering about something similar the other day as well, I was thinking about a second 'Edit All', just for ARs
10:01:21 [Freso]
warp: http://musicbrainz.org/release/b7a70f8c-a447-4168-aded-bb00a6b401d1.html
10:01:35 [Freso]
warp: Nope. The central attribution is the performer, not the composer.
10:01:46 [SenRepus]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=310917
10:01:49 [Freso]
warp: Folk music != classical music.
10:01:56 [warp]
Freso: i mean as an AR
10:02:12 [Freso]
warp: Still no.
10:02:29 [luks]
Prodoc: I'd also like to tweak the release page, so it shows even track ARs on release level if they are on majority of tracks
10:02:43 [Freso]
warp: But then, I'm not sure I parsed your initial query properly.
10:02:57 [luks]
"* was performed A [except tracks 2 and 3]"
10:03:00 [luks]
or something like that
10:03:01 [warp]
Freso: still, your answer to my question was yes. so how do you [attribute the release to] [the composer who is not the artist for the majority of tracks] ?
10:03:55 [warp]
luks: ok, that looks good.
10:04:45 [luks]
but the info would be still based on track ARs
10:05:12 [Freso]
warp: Still not sure I'm parsing it properly, but plenty of trad. music releases have "All tracks traditional, except [where otherwise noted|(tracks)]."
10:05:34 [Prodoc]
luks, good one, though tricky. It would, however, make people more aware of how we interpret ARs so they don't get added the wrong way
10:06:26 [Prodoc]
or how they should be interpreted
10:06:34 [warp]
Freso: my question is, are there situations where: you have a composer who should be credited as the composer for the whole release, even though he didn't compose the majority of the tracks.
10:06:44 [Prodoc]
btw, SenRepus, I found the track I was looking for the other day
10:06:57 [Freso]
warp: Ah. Probably not, no.
10:07:18 [warp]
Freso: i don't know any examples, but I can imagine they do exist :)
10:07:42 [Prodoc]
SenRepus: Vaya Con Dios - Nah Neh Nah
10:07:51 [Prodoc]
Track 6: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Vaya-Con-Dios/dp/B0000075TY
10:07:56 [warp]
Freso: e.g. in theory you could have a disc with a 50 minute track by some dude, and some bonus snippets of a few seconds afterward all by some other dude.
10:08:41 [Freso]
True.
10:09:38 [SenRepus]
Prodoc: good to hear :p
10:09:49 [SenRepus]
that explains why we couldnt find it
10:10:19 [Prodoc]
yeah, the bloody 'h'
10:15:58 [SenRepus]
mb slow or is it me
10:49:22 [SenRepus]
oh will it blend, how i love thee
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10:58:50 [mudcrow]
in bed probably. what time is it in USA?
10:59:50 [SenRepus]
its 4am in california
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12:27:57 [Jugdish]
is there any way to be notified when someone votes no on an edit that you voted yes on?
12:34:17 [Shepard]
no
12:40:40 [mudcrow]
anyone with any merit should be leaving a note if they vote no. And if they don't then the editor should be asking why
12:43:07 [mudcrow]
I'd go completely bursar if someone voted no without reason on one of my edits
12:45:08 [Jugdish]
it happens :/
12:45:22 [Jugdish]
that's why i was hoping for such a feature
12:45:54 [mudcrow]
I'd rather see compulsory edits notes for no votes
12:47:37 [mudcrow]
and the ability to mass add edit notes.
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12:50:32 [catgroove]
hi mudcrow
12:50:53 [AMurderofCrows]
hi mo
12:52:35 [Shepard]
hi peeps
12:52:46 [AMurderofCrows]
hi shep
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13:08:21 [Jugdish]
my thoughts on the discussion above about track vs. release ARs: ideally every AR related to the actual recording of a track (performer,producer,mixer,masterer,etc) would always be added at the track level, and only things that have to do with an album (design/illustration,photography,compiled by) would be added at the release level
13:09:03 [Jugdish]
that method shows the most foresight for how mb will be restructured in the future with NGS
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13:29:39 [Jugdish__]
which interface do you guys use for working with the mailing lists?
13:29:56 [luks]
my mail client :)
13:30:48 [srotta]
8)
13:30:54 [Jugdish__]
is there a newsgroup-ish way to interface with it?
13:31:14 [srotta]
GMane?
13:31:19 [srotta]
Or whatwasit.
13:31:34 [luks]
yep, gmane has a NNTP gateway for mailing lists
13:31:42 [Jugdish__]
nice
13:32:42 [srotta]
I'd sort of like using slrn instead of mutt, but I haven't bothered to check GMane out. I think luks mentioned it to me too at some point :P
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13:46:37 [catgroove]
weird
13:46:38 [catgroove]
http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?object_type=album&orderby=desc&object_id=18475
13:47:08 [catgroove]
in the mod http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=3767382 the 'to' thing is greyed out, even though it was really moved thereand wasn't movedelsewhere
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14:31:36 [catgroove]
hi freso
14:31:44 [catgroove]
how goes the gamecube
14:31:52 [Freso]
Hey :)
14:32:59 [Freso]
It's going nowhere just now, I'm afraid. PM?
14:33:16 [catgroove]
ja
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gamecube \o/
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14:52:47 [catgroove]
moosecube
14:52:50 [catgroove]
:D
14:53:11 [warp]
haha
14:53:22 [FauxFaux]
D:
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15:12:43 [ph1zzle|laptop]
hmmm, I asked a question last night and I guess so much talk has gone by that I can't scroll up enough to see if there was an answer
15:13:18 [ph1zzle|laptop]
so basically I was wondering.... ah to hell with it, I am already installing a new database setup
15:13:50 [luks]
what was the question?
15:14:47 [ph1zzle|laptop]
well I was running a database and doing replicated updates untill a week or so, maybe two ago, I started getting errors that my database was out of date, it said I had version 7 and now the database was version 8 I beleive
15:15:13 [ph1zzle|laptop]
and I was wondering if it was possible to do a upgrade without reinstalling the whole database
15:15:36 [luks]
ah, I think downloading the latest released code and running ./upgrade.sh should work
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15:17:06 [ph1zzle|laptop]
http://rafb.net/p/9NSWkR41.html
15:17:14 [ph1zzle|laptop]
ah, you answered before I did the paste
15:17:18 [ph1zzle|laptop]
cool
15:18:05 [ph1zzle|laptop]
I am impressed, whenever I have a question luks always has an answer
15:18:12 [luks]
heh
15:18:28 [ph1zzle|laptop]
and to make things even sweeter he is named after a linux encryption program
15:18:32 [luks]
* luks doesn't really remember the previous one
15:18:33 [ph1zzle|laptop]
he/she
15:18:52 [ph1zzle|laptop]
neither do I but I remember asking and you having an answer about 3 - 4 times
15:19:00 [ph1zzle|laptop]
actually I do
15:19:31 [ph1zzle|laptop]
I was asking where asin's come from and you pointed out the script that parses the amazon url instead of albummeta or album_amazon_asin
15:19:40 [luks]
ah, right
15:20:15 [ph1zzle|laptop]
although, I asked this before and I don't think you were around and I never really got a straight answer (and I am a C guy, not a perl on ;)...
15:20:42 [ph1zzle|laptop]
when there is no asin URL does musicbrainz user album_amazon_asin, or albummeta, or both
15:22:41 [ph1zzle|laptop]
because I have seen tracks with no asin URL where the web site has a asin for the song
15:26:10 [luks]
yep, it uses both
15:26:21 [ph1zzle|laptop]
ah
15:26:24 [ph1zzle|laptop]
makes sense
15:26:28 [luks]
actually, wait..
15:26:38 [ph1zzle|laptop]
... or does it? lol
15:26:38 [luks]
I don't even know what is album_amazon_asin
15:26:54 [ph1zzle|laptop]
album_amazon_asin is table with asin's in it
15:27:03 [ph1zzle|laptop]
* ph1zzle|laptop logs in and makes a dump
15:27:11 [luks]
it uses albummeta + parsing URLs from l_album_url
15:27:12 [ph1zzle|laptop]
er,not a dump but gets some data
15:27:18 [Jugdish]
haha
15:28:24 [luks]
ah, album_amazon_asin is a historical tables used by the automatic ASIN matching script
15:28:33 [ph1zzle|laptop]
http://rafb.net/p/MVkVBc50.html
15:28:42 [ph1zzle|laptop]
ah
15:29:25 [ph1zzle|laptop]
ok, I looked at the two tables and albummeta looked a little more current to me, also the software I am working on use the URL first hand and if it gets null goes to albummeta
15:29:36 [luks]
hmm
15:29:46 [ph1zzle|laptop]
also albummeta seemed to be named in the same manner as everything else in the database
15:29:49 [luks]
right, I'm just looking at the sources
15:31:20 [luks]
so, the final answer to the question is: I don't know :)
15:32:15 [luks]
aha
15:32:44 [luks]
there is a postgres function that automatically updates albummeta when album_amazon_asin changes
15:33:06 [luks]
so, albummeta.asin should always in sync with album_amazon_asin
15:33:24 [ph1zzle|laptop]
ok
15:33:59 [ph1zzle|laptop]
... so it sounds to me like albummeta still should be the proper one, it will always have any asin for album_amazon_asin, and I don't know if that script goes...
15:34:03 [ph1zzle|laptop]
wait a second...
15:34:23 [ph1zzle|laptop]
I have seen an asin on the website with no asin in the URL or albummeta
15:34:33 [ph1zzle|laptop]
maybe it does use both
15:38:31 [Jugdish]
can we add Farfisa to the list of instruments? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farfisa
15:40:04 [ph1zzle|laptop]
there is no picture of it on the wikipedia page so I am officially gonna rule no on that one
15:40:23 [ph1zzle|laptop]
I may have absolutly no power with musicbrainz.org but I am still officially ruling no for myself ;)
15:40:32 [luks]
catgroove: ping
15:40:38 [Jugdish]
why does it need a picture?
15:41:10 [luks]
not sure if it's a good idea to add synth branch names to the list
15:41:29 [Jugdish]
oh
15:42:10 [luks]
well, then we would need all kinds of Rolands, Korgs, Moogs, etc.
15:42:42 [luks]
but I think there was some discussion about it, mo should know more details :)
15:42:50 [ph1zzle|laptop]
Jugdish, I have absolutly no power with musicbrainz, I don't work for them etc, so it really doesn't need a pic, I was just kidding
15:42:58 [Jugdish]
heh, ok
15:43:06 [Shepard]
we already have some brands as moog
15:43:31 [Jugdish]
what the heck? i've tried to add an AR like 3 times now and it's not going through but it's not saying it failed either :(
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16:22:57 [catgroove]
pong
16:22:59 [catgroove]
hi
16:23:03 [catgroove]
let me read
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* Jugdish__ is annoyed when people put a begin date on someone being the member of a band when that date is the when the band was founded
16:24:32 [catgroove]
I try t oalways odthat
16:24:40 [catgroove]
I try to always do that
16:24:49 [catgroove]
because it makes it simpler to see
16:24:57 [catgroove]
although I understand the annoyance
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in my mind, begin and end dates imply that the person wasn't a member of the band during its entire lifetime
16:25:31 [catgroove]
it needs aR inheritance
16:25:58 [catgroove]
oh, to my mind it implies that they haven't beenm entered yet and or there is no information and or that person was insignificant
16:26:11 [catgroove]
it depends on how one sees it
16:26:13 [catgroove]
:)
16:26:18 [Jugdish__]
yeah
16:27:00 [coopera[a]]
hey guys :)
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16:27:15 [warp]
hi cooperaa
16:27:28 [cooperaa]
how's it going?
16:28:26 [catgroove]
Jugdish: about the farfisa, (and other instruments) can you go to http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/InstrumentAdditionDiscussion and ask there? if there is noone saying no, then I can add it
16:28:43 [Jugdish__]
alrighty
16:29:16 [cooperaa]
anyone get the update saying there's alpha7 of picardqt available?
16:29:28 [warp]
yes, i think so.
16:29:41 [cooperaa]
..but its not on the wiki?
16:29:46 [warp]
it's not/
16:29:47 [warp]
?
16:29:56 [cooperaa]
I only see alpha6
16:29:59 [cooperaa]
http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardQt
16:30:21 [catgroove]
in that case can you create a bug (assign it to ZaphodBeeblebrox) and set thing to 'style issues: instruments'
16:30:30 [catgroove]
well task, not bug
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cooperaa: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardQt
16:30:43 [cooperaa]
luks: hey
16:30:51 [catgroove]
* catgroove incurages everyone to subscribe to http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/InstrumentAdditionDiscussion
16:30:52 [luks]
hi
16:30:55 [warp]
cooperaa: mb.org/doc/ gets mirrored from the wiki eventually.
16:30:57 [catgroove]
hi again luksa
16:30:59 [cooperaa]
warp: sorry, duh, i didn't notice it was docs
16:31:04 [cooperaa]
hey luks
16:31:17 [cooperaa]
I would've expected it to go to wiki...
16:31:21 [cooperaa]
no?
16:31:43 [catgroove]
oh there is an instrument question here.. it must be new
16:32:03 [warp]
hello luks :)
16:32:22 [warp]
* warp wonders what to eat today.
16:32:26 [catgroove]
food
16:32:28 [catgroove]
:D
16:32:32 [warp]
yes. most likely.
16:33:37 [warp]
something which involves very little amount, considering i've wasted most of my day already on that nasty imap server and haven't even started on the things I had planned for today.
16:33:50 [warp]
s/amount/work/
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* catgroove sends warp some food he made
16:33:58 [luks]
hmm, food
16:34:03 [warp]
ooh!
16:34:06 [warp]
catgroove: thanks <3
16:34:18 [luks]
* luks should go shopping... :/
16:34:25 [catgroove]
on saturday? :o
16:34:30 [warp]
supermarket.
16:34:37 [catgroove]
at this time?
16:34:43 [catgroove]
all markets are closed now
16:34:51 [luks]
sure, tescos are open 24/7
16:34:52 [warp]
nah, open till 21:00 CET.
16:35:00 [catgroove]
SPENSIVE
16:35:03 [catgroove]
:o
16:35:56 [warp]
my normal supermarket is open till 21:00. the nightshop around the corner is open till $late, but they are expensive and don't have much.
16:36:44 [luks]
yeah, they usually have only alcohol :)
16:36:44 [luks]
(at least the ones here)
16:36:45 [catgroove]
lol at $late
16:36:49 [warp]
haha
16:37:27 [warp]
these have the basics. frozen pizzas. vegetables. bread. ben&jerry's. etc...
16:37:35 [catgroove]
been and who?
16:37:36 [luks]
bread??
16:37:41 [warp]
(yes, obviously lots of alcohol too)
16:37:54 [catgroove]
Ben and jerry?
16:37:55 [catgroove]
wtf
16:38:04 [warp]
catgroove: some expensive brand of icecream.
16:38:08 [catgroove]
:o
16:38:10 [catgroove]
is!
16:38:15 [catgroove]
* catgroove has icecream
16:38:40 [Jugdish__]
luks: does (and if not, could) setting something to High Quality make it so that what would normally be auto-edits become non-auto-edits?
16:38:52 [luks]
yes
16:38:56 [catgroove]
i would think thatswhat it does
16:39:02 [Jugdish__]
oh good
16:39:05 [catgroove]
what the whole point is
16:39:17 [warp]
catgroove: http://www.consortfrozenfoods.co.uk/Images/FrontPage/Ben&Jerrys-Jan06-1.jpg
16:39:32 [catgroove]
iiiiiss
16:39:42 [cooperaa]
stephen colbert's americone nation!
16:39:50 [catgroove]
hæ?
16:39:57 [cooperaa]
hehe :)
16:40:16 [Clint]
my mom likes it
16:40:22 [catgroove]
* catgroove never understod icecream with cookie dough in it
16:40:56 [warp]
i never tried it, so i wouldn't know.
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16:41:09 [catgroove]
me nether, but come on.. wtf cookie dough
16:41:42 [catgroove]
they're using the word 'chocolatey' to much
16:41:58 [Clint]
oatmeal cookie dough is good, chocolate chip cookie dough is bad
16:42:20 [Jugdish]
i'm a fan of all types of cookie dough
16:42:28 [Jugdish]
i almost typed "cookie cough"
16:42:50 [catgroove]
"Vanilla Ice Cream with Chunks of Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough"
16:43:06 [catgroove]
* catgroove almost always mistypes it as cock :P
16:43:24 [Jugdish]
lol
16:43:24 [catgroove]
or "cockie" etc
16:45:00 [Clint]
um
16:46:58 [catgroove]
mu
16:48:29 [warp]
* warp is off to the supermarket, bbl.
16:48:46 [Jugdish]
where's the best place to post a greasemonkey script so the most people can make use of it?
16:48:51 [catgroove]
hmmm
16:48:58 [catgroove]
maybe the blog
16:49:02 [cooperaa]
userscripts.org
16:49:05 [catgroove]
ask ruaok
16:49:47 [Jugdish]
k
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there should be a greasemonkey wiki page
16:51:00 [catgroove]
yo, make one
16:51:19 [catgroove]
and make sure to interwingle it or don will have kittens
16:52:03 [Jugdish]
interwingle?
16:54:51 [cooperaa]
hahaha "don will have kittens"
16:55:45 [catgroove]
;)
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16:58:20 [cooperaa]
anyone here get puids working on mac?
16:58:25 [catgroove]
nei
16:58:28 [cooperaa]
dag yo
16:58:33 [catgroove]
lololol
17:02:10 [Muz_]
Moose.
17:02:28 [catgroove]
hi muz
17:02:31 [catgroove]
ping luks?
17:02:33 [Muz_]
Hei mo
17:02:38 [catgroove]
moosecube
17:02:49 [Muz_]
Moob?
17:02:59 [catgroove]
boom
17:03:12 [catgroove]
many many esooms
17:03:19 [catgroove]
mangeelger!
17:04:23 [catgroove]
muzmuz?
17:07:02 [Muz_]
momo?
17:07:23 [catgroove]
glade elger
17:07:29 [catgroove]
(happy moose)
17:07:40 [Muz_]
:P
17:07:47 [Muz_]
* Muz_ needs to run to the shop and get something to eat
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17:07:55 [catgroove]
food!
17:11:14 [cooperaa]
idea: new release stats: pending release?
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17:11:20 [cooperaa]
or "upcoming"
17:11:46 [catgroove]
hmm!
17:12:06 [cooperaa]
that way we can easily query "upcoming" albums and confirm details on official release dates?? hmmm
17:12:25 [catgroove]
that would solve the age old problem of adding stuff and not being ableot remove it once its proven wrong later
17:12:26 [catgroove]
ye
17:12:27 [catgroove]
sI like it
17:12:32 [catgroove]
hmm
17:12:35 [catgroove]
yes I like it
17:12:44 [cooperaa]
moi aussi
17:12:49 [catgroove]
ja, nani?
17:15:02 [catgroove]
forums are fun
17:15:03 [cooperaa]
shall I add a feature request?
17:15:08 [catgroove]
answering machine
17:15:13 [catgroove]
hmm... I'd say yes
17:16:49 [cooperaa]
or RFC it?
17:17:04 [catgroove]
yea. do it on forums
17:17:07 [catgroove]
forums are win
17:17:14 [catgroove]
gogo forum
17:17:25 [cooperaa]
you mighty morphin .... forums?
17:17:41 [catgroove]
eehh
17:17:53 [cooperaa]
</power rangers theme song>
17:17:58 [catgroove]
ok
17:18:05 [catgroove]
not a big thing here.. I think
17:18:15 [catgroove]
or well. I wasn't a kid in theearly ninties
17:18:17 [cooperaa]
was back when I was in <grade 6
17:18:23 [catgroove]
how old are ye?
17:18:26 [cooperaa]
21
17:18:30 [catgroove]
hmmmmp
17:18:32 [catgroove]
I'm 25
17:19:25 [catgroove]
meh you're only 4 years younger than me
17:19:28 [catgroove]
:/
17:19:32 [cooperaa]
ya not too far behind
17:19:39 [catgroove]
* catgroove still feels old
17:19:53 [cooperaa]
* cooperaa does too
17:20:04 [cooperaa]
a quarter done my life!
17:20:17 [cooperaa]
that's like having only 75c of a dollar left! :(
17:20:30 [catgroove]
pøh
17:20:39 [catgroove]
you're *not* quarter of a century yet
17:20:40 [catgroove]
I am
17:20:43 [catgroove]
:sniffle:
17:20:50 [cooperaa]
what if I only live to 84?
17:20:54 [cooperaa]
then I am a quarter done
17:20:56 [catgroove]
hmm.. true
17:21:13 [cooperaa]
oh geez... that's enough speculating about death
17:21:16 [catgroove]
we have some of the oldest living age here
17:21:22 [catgroove]
the average for women is 84
17:21:26 [catgroove]
the *average*
17:21:36 [catgroove]
awerage?
17:22:43 [cooperaa]
average
17:22:44 [mudcrow]
average
17:23:20 [catgroove]
lol
17:24:18 [cooperaa]
averAge?
17:24:26 [warp]
re
17:24:48 [Jugdish]
* Jugdish is 23.852156 years old
17:24:57 [catgroove]
o_O
17:25:00 [warp]
* warp is much older :(
17:25:02 [Jugdish]
heh
17:25:49 [warp]
biological clocks start ticking and such. it's slightly annoying :)
17:26:16 [catgroove]
bleh
17:26:16 [BrianG]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=605736
17:26:21 [BrianG]
sweet track names
17:26:25 [cooperaa]
anyone else excited for the new Caliban album to be released?
17:26:47 [catgroove]
* catgroove always has problems keeping time, biological, no exeption
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caliban? neverheardofit
17:26:58 [warp]
catgroove: haha
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:D
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17:27:24 [warp]
BrianG: wow
17:27:34 [catgroove]
gøy
17:27:41 [cooperaa]
http://myspace.com/caliban
17:27:49 [Jugdish]
lol, briang are those track names actually correct?
17:27:50 [catgroove]
no myspace
17:27:55 [BrianG]
Jugdish: yeah
17:27:59 [catgroove]
I bet they are
17:28:06 [catgroove]
cdbaby for the winning loose
17:34:23 [cooperaa]
lol at the new mac ad... hehe
17:34:28 [catgroove]
huh?
17:35:19 [warp]
ugh.. that reminds me of leopard being postponed till october :(
17:35:43 [catgroove]
* catgroove is unhappy because he's in 'hæh' mode
17:35:56 [cooperaa]
warp: do you have pweeds working with picardqt?
17:36:08 [warp]
cooperaa: no idea. i have no need for pweeds.
17:36:21 [cooperaa]
don't you want to help others by submitting puids? ;)
17:36:27 [warp]
cooperaa: how do i see that new mac ad? apple.com is a mystery to me.
17:36:46 [cooperaa]
apple.com.... get a mac
17:36:52 [warp]
cooperaa: i help others in other ways.
17:36:55 [cooperaa]
or there might be a button on the homepage that says new mac adds
17:36:55 [cooperaa]
ads*
17:37:04 [cooperaa]
warp: I know, I'm just teasing
17:37:18 [warp]
i'm here: http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
17:37:41 [cooperaa]
computer cart, flashback, and stuffed are new
17:37:46 [warp]
the <title> says 'Watch the TV Ads'. which seems appropriate. where do i click? :)
17:38:47 [warp]
perhaps they figure i don't need to see them, because i'm already using a mac.
17:39:02 [Jugdish]
warp: are you 'kuno'?
17:39:04 [cooperaa]
heh they work fine for me... you need quicktime, but I assume you have that already
17:39:07 [warp]
Jugdish: yes.
17:39:13 [Jugdish]
alright then
17:39:44 [warp]
cooperaa: i'm sure they work fine. i have a year old macbook, there's not much chance of not having quicktime.
17:39:53 [warp]
cooperaa: i just need to know where they are... where to click... i don't see it.
17:41:29 [Jugdish]
if the liner notes for an album say "Band X is Person A, Person B, Person C" but doesn't say who did what instruments, how would you add that info in an AR to the album?
17:41:52 [Muz_]
Google further
17:41:56 [cooperaa]
wiki
17:42:50 [warp]
cooperaa: http://www.frob.nl/tmp/where-are-the-ads.png
17:43:33 [cooperaa]
above those pics there should be a section that has the quicktime video and a thing to select which to watch
17:43:42 [warp]
peculiar.
17:44:37 [warp]
i guess some ad blocker actually works.
17:44:53 [cooperaa]
that might be why :)
17:45:30 [warp]
ah yeah.. that's a big chunk of page which has gone missing. (watching in safari now).
17:45:38 [BrianG]
anyone see the novell mac/pc/linux videos?
17:46:24 [warp]
that stuffed one is a bit silly.
17:46:43 [warp]
my mac os x also came with all kinds of trial stuff i didn't want :)
17:46:49 [cooperaa]
mine too
17:46:56 [cooperaa]
but it was pretty easy to remove too
17:47:16 [warp]
yeah, i guess.
17:47:34 [warp]
i reinstalled shortly afterward and i didn't get it then.
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17:48:24 [Muz_]
Hey ruaok
17:48:31 [Muz_]
You messaged me last night, and i was sleeping
17:49:08 [warp]
time of day, ruaok
17:49:33 [ruaok]
time-of-day, warp!
17:49:43 [ruaok]
Muz_: check your yahoo mail...
17:49:50 [Muz_]
Oooh
17:50:21 [Muz_]
Oooooooh!
17:50:48 [Muz_]
Ooooh thanks :D
17:53:15 [ruaok]
we're welcome. ;-)
17:57:11 [cooperaa]
catgroove: RFC sent to mb-style
17:59:45 [Freso]
luks: Yay!
17:59:56 [luks]
yay for what?:)
18:01:53 [Freso]
luks: New release. :)
18:02:08 [Freso]
luks: I'll be sure to test FLAC and PUID tomorrow.
18:02:59 [warp]
looks like 40.000 emails is a bit too much even for mutt.
18:03:16 [mudcrow]
oh dear. I just found a Bay City Rollers single in my collection. must have been planted
18:03:40 [warp]
urgh. and 20:00 already :(
18:04:10 [luks]
Freso: ah, thanks
18:10:11 [cooperaa]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6731021 y-bomb me? :)
18:23:47 [Freso]
cooperaa: I can only throw one at you, I'm afraid.
18:24:16 [warp]
* warp looks around at magnatune
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(any recommendations? :)
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18:27:49 [cooperaa]
warp: I purchased... reza manzoori - restrung
18:27:50 [lixx]
hi
18:27:56 [cooperaa]
but I am looking for one more purcahse
18:28:16 [cooperaa]
hi lixx
18:28:57 [lixx]
i have a problem with scrolling the list while dragging an album :/ (in picard)
18:29:14 [warp]
cooperaa: hm,.. not my cup of tea :)
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18:29:30 [cooperaa]
fair enough :)
18:29:50 [cooperaa]
lixx: youre dragging an album and picard won't scroll down when you drag to the bottom of the list?
18:30:02 [lixx]
yes, exactly
18:30:09 [cooperaa]
can you reproduce it if you close and re-open?
18:30:29 [lixx]
yes
18:30:33 [cooperaa]
okay
18:30:38 [cooperaa]
how many albums do you have loaded?
18:30:51 [cooperaa]
and which version of picard?
18:31:07 [lixx]
~50
18:31:13 [lixx]
0.7.2
18:31:17 [cooperaa]
reasonable
18:31:28 [cooperaa]
have you checked out http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardQt ?
18:31:42 [lixx]
i rotated my monitor 90 degrees to have a larger list :)
18:31:49 [cooperaa]
hehe :)
18:32:12 [lixx]
does this work on windows?
18:32:21 [cooperaa]
(random: does the scroll work if you return your monitor to normal orientation?)
18:32:29 [lixx]
ah theres an installer
18:32:31 [cooperaa]
I believe there's a windows installer available on that wiki page
18:32:46 [cooperaa]
I recommend you use the newest version :) it's awesome
18:33:03 [lixx]
no it does not work on normal orientation either
18:33:27 [cooperaa]
okay good, haha that rules out the bizarre ;)
18:34:34 [cooperaa]
not sure if this is exactly the same, but http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/1933 seems to say scrolling problems will be fixed in PicardQt
18:35:32 [lixx]
i'll try that
18:35:48 [lixx]
btw picard is a great application :)
18:36:07 [cooperaa]
tell luks :) but I agree with you
18:36:32 [lixx]
does it change the filenames on saving?
18:36:47 [lixx]
or do they stay rhe same?
18:36:51 [Jugdish]
luks: how many folders deep does PicardQt recurse when you drag a folder to Unmatched Files?
18:37:14 [cooperaa]
lixx: you set this in the pref's
18:37:21 [cooperaa]
I'll paste you mine if you like
18:37:43 [cooperaa]
%albumartistsort%/$left($if(%date%,$left(%date%,4)-)%album%/%discnumber%$num(%tracknumber%,2)-%artist%-%title%,150)
18:38:06 [luks]
Jugdish: all below the selected/dragged one
18:38:09 [lixx]
ok it changes the names
18:38:12 [luks]
there is no limit
18:38:19 [lixx]
itunes doesn't find them anymore ;(
18:38:27 [cooperaa]
Beatles, The/1965-Help!/01-The Beatles-Song Title!.mp3
18:38:42 [cooperaa]
lixx: was itunes open when you saved the new filenames?
18:38:48 [lixx]
no
18:39:04 [cooperaa]
okay and yes, iTunes won't know where the new files are
18:39:12 [cooperaa]
unless you were on Mac OS-X
18:39:19 [cooperaa]
because I think it keeps track of filename changes somehow
18:39:35 [cooperaa]
so, you can either not rename your files
18:39:59 [lixx]
i have some backups of my library
18:40:07 [cooperaa]
or you can put in a feature request for a patch that will automagically update your iTunes Music Library.xml ;)
18:40:14 [lixx]
i think i roll it back and let itunes do the renaming
18:40:16 [cooperaa]
patch = plugin
18:41:13 [cooperaa]
luks: when do you plan to make picardQt which files don't need to be updated?
18:41:30 [luks]
hm?
18:41:36 [cooperaa]
like .7
18:41:50 [luks]
what do you mean?
18:41:50 [cooperaa]
would show checkmarks beside tracks that were already correctly tagged
18:42:00 [luks]
ah
18:42:05 [cooperaa]
and have the asterisk beside the number of tracks on the release that will be updated
18:42:08 [luks]
it's currently broken for MP3
18:42:27 [luks]
because it doesn't save all available information to them
18:42:28 [cooperaa]
oh :(
18:45:17 [warp]
* warp sighs at magnatune.
18:45:32 [luks]
cooperaa: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/2702 is a ticket about the second problem
18:47:42 [cooperaa]
okay, any ideas for solving the MP3 problem?
18:49:04 [luks]
well, I need to figure out how to put all the info to ID3 tags
18:49:37 [cooperaa]
oh, I was thinking you'd just make Picard know "these can't be written to MP3, so ignore"
18:49:53 [warp]
* warp was thinking that too.
18:49:54 [luks]
hmm
18:50:17 [cooperaa]
what type of stuff isn't written to MP3s?
18:51:01 [luks]
I'm not sure right now
18:51:30 [luks]
I know had troubles with something, but I can't remember what was it
18:51:33 [cooperaa]
I haven't noticed anything missing, but then again, I haven't been using release and track ARs
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18:55:42 [Jugdish]
"Recorded and mixed by Person A with assistance by Person B. Additional mixing by Person C."
18:55:53 [Jugdish]
what AR would you use for Person B?
18:56:02 [cooperaa]
ha
18:56:05 [cooperaa]
co-?
18:56:17 [Jugdish]
does that mean Person A gets a co- as well?
18:56:21 [cooperaa]
no
18:56:26 [cooperaa]
they sound primary
18:56:32 [Jugdish]
yeah
18:57:25 [Freso]
I actually thought of proposing an "assistant producer"/"assistingly produced" or something AR.
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18:57:47 [Freso]
(Had the same problem just the other day.)
18:58:02 [cooperaa]
not a bad idea... but where does it end :)
18:58:10 [Freso]
Nowhere!
18:58:14 [cooperaa]
I knoW! :)
18:58:24 [Freso]
Until there are no more variations in the way credits are shown.
18:58:38 [Freso]
Or until we have free text entries per Ar.
18:58:41 [Freso]
*AR
18:58:44 [cooperaa]
I assistively, additionally, meticulously co-produced this record
18:59:21 [Freso]
+merrily
18:59:22 [cooperaa]
would be cool if mb_server could "read" free text entries and create ARs
18:59:37 [Freso]
"merry producer"/"merrily produced"
18:59:42 [cooperaa]
Freso: well, it's kind of a depressing album so I didn't do it that merrily ;)
18:59:46 [cooperaa]
hahahaha
19:00:27 [Freso]
Well... "melancholy producer"/"melancholically produced"
19:00:38 [cooperaa]
excellent
19:00:40 [Freso]
depressive/depressedly?
19:00:51 [cooperaa]
we could have a whole drop down of emotions!
19:01:00 [Freso]
Hehe.
19:01:12 [Freso]
I've never seen any attributed with emotions though.
19:01:22 [cooperaa]
would be awesome trying to prove what the producer was feeling
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19:20:41 [warp]
* warp gives up.
19:23:31 [Muz_]
Use more moose
19:23:33 [Muz_]
Moose solves all
19:24:07 [BrianG]
throw the moose down the well!
19:24:40 [warp]
* warp sends moose to magnatune.
19:26:19 [Muz_]
Hmm, I could tag more music, orrrr, I could vegetate in bed with cider and cartoons
19:26:36 [cooperaa]
or do both!
19:26:38 [cooperaa]
like me :)
19:26:42 [Muz_]
Not an option!
19:26:45 [cooperaa]
tv on your computer*
19:26:51 [Muz_]
Me no multitask well beer with when
19:27:01 [cooperaa]
or laptop in your bed
19:27:03 [Muz_]
Cartoonse are on my craptop : )
19:27:04 [cooperaa]
in front of tv
19:31:00 [cooperaa]
* cooperaa goes to buy beer before his gf drags his reluctant ass out to the club tonight :(
19:32:13 [Jugdish]
behold this artist-album AR: http://musicbrainz.org/show/artist/relationships.html?artistid=366014
19:32:41 [Jugdish]
it doesn't show up under the artist's edits (