IRC log of musicbrainz on 2007-05-01

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00:01:06 [yllona]
looks like the LP was tuff gong too, but i'd love to take a look at my copy of the LP.
00:02:21 [yllona]
* yllona notes that marley was never one of my favorites though ;)
00:02:35 [jellyfish]
yeah, the 79 was probably tuff gong... i just never know what to do with a re-release (with extra track) by the company that bought the company that bought the label that bought the company that bought the label ... etc
00:03:23 [yllona]
jellyfish: take a look at the copy that you own (if you can find it). that's the release you're editing (i hope)
00:03:49 [srotta]
... and then play "pick-a-label" 8)
00:03:51 [yllona]
if not, a quick phone call to your public library can resolve the issuee
00:04:13 [jellyfish]
haha, maybe i'll give them a ring tmr morning
00:04:21 [yllona]
jellyfish: are you in the US?
00:04:25 [jellyfish]
UK
00:04:33 [yllona]
ah, even better
00:04:39 [jellyfish]
:)
00:04:44 [BrianFreud]
yllona: try this... looks mighty helpful, and his other posts are all searching for correct details on this... http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.reggae/browse_thread/thread/d2ba347e703879e5/23d39e0c9f8e07d0?lnk=gst&q=&rnum=4&hl=en#23d39e0c9f8e07d0
00:04:49 [BrianFreud]
and http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.reggae/browse_thread/thread/cd604c59e5fabcf/98627eecd0f0e5ef?lnk=gst&q=&rnum=3&hl=en#98627eecd0f0e5ef for part 2
00:05:12 [yllona]
give'em a quick call. survival should be in most collections. also your library system may be searchable on line
00:05:34 [jellyfish]
but honestly, it's just annoying that i know the release date (exact day) cat# UPC/EAN format... just not the label!
00:05:43 [jellyfish]
(but i'll shut up about it now)
00:05:50 [yllona]
BrianFreud: i'm not a big fan of the "crowd sourcing" phenomenon
00:06:12 [BrianFreud]
true, but this looks useful... "22. Survival - Bob Marley & the Wailers (1979 Island Records LP: ILPS 9542), recorded at Tuff Gong, Kingston, JA, produced by Bob Marley & the Wailers and Alex Sadkin "
00:06:28 [yllona]
jellyfish: if you've got all that info, then it will be quite easy to resolve. use the library
00:06:46 [jellyfish]
yeah
00:08:12 [yllona]
BrianFreud: yesh, taht is useful, and what i remember -- as just being Island in teh US. but find out if the goog group poster is referring to US release first. bob & the wailer were *huge* stars long before their msuic crossed the pond
00:09:01 [yllona]
i think their first big album hit in the carribean & africa as early as '73 / '74
00:10:19 [yllona]
i can send e-mail to one of my jamaican girlfriends, she also slighly older than I. so she'd know for sure
00:10:29 [yllona]
*older than me. sorry
00:13:10 [cooperaa]
* cooperaa shakes his finger at BrianFreud's lack of GC
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00:13:15 [BrianFreud]
where?
00:13:15 [BrianFreud]
lol
00:13:24 [cooperaa]
you'll get my nasty note in a minute ;)
00:13:31 [BrianFreud]
hehe
00:14:57 [yllona]
BrianFreud: the goog group poster is in europe somewhere, ergo would have entirely diff releases than even the UK. jellyfish will have the closest to the original carib releases
00:16:11 [BrianFreud]
sounds good - I just looked to see if he still exists... last post was in 94, so pretty definate he's not going to reply at that email.
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00:16:39 [yllona]
BrianFreud: yep. that's good bet
00:16:57 [cooperaa]
BrianFreud: !!!! another no GC?!
00:17:09 [yllona]
the post from '93 was prb'ly imported from usenet...
00:17:20 [cooperaa]
* cooperaa slaps BrianFreud
00:17:44 [BrianFreud]
see note :P
00:17:53 [yllona]
goog acquired the usenet archives back in '99 IIRC. my usenet id is dead too from the early days
00:18:12 [BrianFreud]
wierd - mine is very incomplete, but I can find myself back into the 80's
00:18:48 [yllona]
BrianFreud: when goog acquired usenet you had the option of removing posts... that's waht i did
00:19:05 [BrianFreud]
ah... I find my old posts good for a laugh every so often :P
00:22:42 [cooperaa]
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00:22:45 [cooperaa]
later folks
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01:23:13 [BrianFreud]
hey Jugdish, you've been around a while, right?
01:23:26 [Jugdish__]
no, not really
01:23:32 [Jugdish__]
just a couple months
01:23:49 [BrianFreud]
hmmm... any idea where this option is, or if it's even still around? Would save me SO much time c&p...
01:23:50 [BrianFreud]
http://www.nabble.com/Bulk-additions--tf2804395s2885.html#a7831846
01:24:53 [Jugdish__]
hmm, sorry i don't know
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OH WOW! I just found it... and oh god does it work well!!!!
01:30:45 [BrianFreud]
totally hidden in there :P
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01:59:04 [drsaunde]
it's a sad day...just heard Le Tigre "Deceptacon" on a Nivea commercial
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02:35:26 [yllona]
drsaunde: there are two classic stevie wonder tunes on nationally syndicated TV commercials now.
02:36:33 [yllona]
and now that george clinton has finally won back the right to all the classic parliament/funkadelic tunes, we now have p-funk in toyota commercials
02:36:47 [yllona]
kinda cool if you ask me :)
02:37:02 [BrianFreud]
reminds me of that fit the guy playing themain char in The Doors movie throws when they used "Light My Fire" in an ad
02:39:01 [drsaunde]
yeah....i'm not too upset...only that deceptacon is one of my favorite suprise the room/rock the room tunes
02:39:24 [drsaunde]
i don't want somebody saying to me they know the song from the Nivea commercial :-)
02:39:55 [yllona]
drsaunde: there are agencies that specialize in finding music for commercials, it's actually "big business"
02:40:28 [drsaunde]
yeah...i wish i could be hooked up with a job like that
02:40:33 [yllona]
if you watch film/TV credits, that's the role of the "music supervisor"
02:41:33 [drsaunde]
i'm kind of on the fence...but I have considered putting trackspotting like this in track annotations
02:44:50 [yllona]
drsuande: non-celebrity music supervisors typically require quite a bit of "real" music experience -- should be able to read/write a musical score, have a good background in music history (like a graduate degree in musicology, or library science) and a hardcore background in music licensing wouldn't hurt either
02:45:15 [yllona]
drsaunde: i think the trackspotting is a great idea...
02:45:46 [yllona]
ascap.com can be helpful there as it lists commercial uses for a particular track
02:46:40 [drsaunde]
i have a great talent for picking out tracks from commercials/tv etc... :-) maybe i will start adding annotations
02:47:09 [yllona]
i use annotations quite a bit for useful trivia :)
02:48:48 [drsaunde]
and to further the commercials point...I'm actually looking forward to a track because of a commercial (The Donnas cover of "Safety Dance..not released yet but all over the commercials)
02:49:00 [yllona]
so there's a TV advert for marriot hotels that has licensed one of my fave (and obscure) dinah washington tracks
02:49:22 [drsaunde]
nice
02:50:05 [BrianFreud]
something like a "used in tv show/movie x"?
02:50:18 [BrianFreud]
wouldn't we have to have TV shows and movie listed then?
02:50:42 [yllona]
the track is "relax max" used for doubletree hotels from the album "swingin' with miss "D", 1956
02:50:44 [BrianFreud]
oh, sorry, missed the comment about annotation :P
02:51:09 [BrianFreud]
I'm so enjoying my new find in release entry... I found the option yllona
02:51:12 [drsaunde]
that's some nice trackspotting...you should add that...track annotation :-)
02:51:17 [BrianFreud]
very hidden, very useful :)
02:51:19 [yllona]
eventually an AR would be nice, but we need a better source for authentication
02:51:33 [drsaunde]
still..we could start a trend here
02:51:43 [BrianFreud]
well, eventually, we could use the, what's it call, folksonamy? tag that ruoak wants
02:52:12 [yllona]
yeah, i'll ad that and a couple of others mentioned above... like the stevie wonder tracks
02:52:17 [BrianFreud]
free-form AR entry, basically
02:54:03 [yllona]
drsaunde: here's the ascap authentication for one of the stevie tracks: http://tinyurl.com/yvfdd3
02:54:24 [yllona]
eeks that's a previe, just click thru
02:55:12 [drsaunde]
that's still pretty cool though...i didn't realize they posted liscenced cover versions
02:55:20 [yllona]
yes,
02:55:51 [yllona]
so you can see that it's being used in a mailbox etc (now owned by UPS) commercial
02:56:20 [yllona]
and you can see a partial list of all of the "covers"
02:57:33 [ruaok]
* ruaok pokes his head in
02:57:55 [yllona]
so on one evening i saw the UPS commercial several times while watching a basic bale version of a hit movie that featured the john legend "cover" of the same song as the title theme -- kinda wild....
02:58:34 [yllona]
*basic cable version of the movie "Hitch", sorry
02:59:45 [drsaunde]
yeah...i always find that quite cool to make discoveries like that
03:01:10 [yllona]
the commercial uses a "cover" tune also... and it gets better ... later that evening i saw another movie that used the original stevie version (1972)
03:01:46 [yllona]
i think the movie was "love potion no. 9" starring sandra bullock
03:02:33 [drsaunde]
john legend is good though so i'm not surprised
03:03:17 [yllona]
i like john legend, vocally he sounds an awful lot like stevie tho, he needs to settle into his own style
03:04:33 [yllona]
his covers of stevie tunes are terribly derivative of the originals... but he's also really young, so i'm hopeful :)
03:05:18 [yllona]
john legend wil have "arrived" when stevie writes an original track for him ;)
03:05:26 [drsaunde]
yeah..i'll concede that...covering someone you are close to emulating as it is ...isn't necessarily a good idea if your trying to carve out your own identity
03:05:41 [drsaunde]
:-)
03:05:57 [drsaunde]
maybe he'll bring him along....like Q-Tip
03:06:18 [yllona]
i love the track john legend did with sergio mendes
03:06:46 [yllona]
*mendez, rather
03:08:30 [drsaunde]
i saw him opening for The Roots...good show
03:10:16 [yllona]
drsaunde: while you're track spotting, look the track up on ascap/bmi... if you don't seee the advert listed, just drop a quick e-mail/phone call to the publisher listed... typically you'll get a response (rather promptly) in my experience
03:11:14 [yllona]
the roots will have "long legs" as producers, but perhaps not as perforrmers
03:12:42 [drsaunde]
i disagree about that...as far as hip-hop goes...nobody can match their shows
03:13:37 [yllona]
oh yes, they are *very* good performers, but the band seems to have alot of "personnel issues" ;)
03:13:50 [drsaunde]
yeah...true that
03:18:18 [yllona]
drsaunde: since you seem to follow rap/hip-hop also check sesac (sesac.com) which is a relative newcomer to the licensing/ publishing biz
03:19:16 [yllona]
sesac is attracting a fair amount of the hip-hop artists... you'll need o see what's waht. i don't follow hip-hop that closely
03:20:25 [yllona]
and i don't think the sesac DB is easily searchable online, tho they do answer e-mail queries
03:25:24 [yllona]
drsaunde: another good source... when you begin a search for hip-hop sampling is: http://www.the-breaks.com/
03:27:21 [yllona]
but aleay cross check with a legit source, these days *all* hip-hop albums should list sample credits.. wasn't always so. thus, the inordinate amount of litigation
03:27:42 [drsaunde]
ooh..that is cool though
03:29:27 [yllona]
one interesting note, the use of "live" musicians in recent hip-hop recordings... it can expensive than cross-licensing for samples... kinda funny from a circular point-of-view :-D
03:30:29 [yllona]
*can be less expensive, rather... (finally) bootlegging isn't cheap these days
03:33:57 [yllona]
thus the hip-hop artist will only have to gain clearances for composers.. not always cheap. but once you have live experienced studio musicians ... you can achieve/negotiate a composition "on the fly" -- and most successful hip-hip artists are better busisnessmen, rather than artist/musicians
03:34:19 [drsaunde]
true
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06:04:50 [BrianG]
oh neat i got desktop effects working on feisty
06:05:13 [BrianG]
BrianFreud: you're in buffalo ny?
06:10:04 [ajh]
is the fingerprinting more useful on the lossless formats?
06:10:15 [BrianG]
more useful?
06:10:21 [ajh]
more accurate/reliable.
06:11:00 [ajh]
Re-ripping everything to m4a for now, will convert to FLAC when the new MacOS comes out with support.
06:12:45 [BrianG]
i'm guessing a fingerprints a fingerprint
06:13:58 [BrianG]
for some reason i think it re encodes everything to a low level kbps type dealy, and then does the fingerprint stuff
06:14:28 [BrianG]
i could be wrong
06:22:14 [Aankhen``]
ajh: You'll convert M4A to FLAC? ~_^
06:25:15 [ajh]
Aankhen``, yes because all my other machines can deal with FLAC better, so can a number of other tools.
06:25:30 [Aankhen``]
...butbutbut...
06:25:32 [ajh]
Better format anyway.
06:25:53 [Aankhen``]
Yes, it's a better format since it's lossless, but you do know that lossy -> lossless doesn't add lost quality, right?
06:26:09 [ajh]
M4A being Apple Lossless in an Mpeg-4 Container.
06:26:17 [Aankhen``]
Ohh.
06:26:20 [Aankhen``]
Whew.
06:26:31 [Aankhen``]
Stupid Apple M4A.
06:26:54 [Aankhen``]
I just associate M4A with AAC automatically, since I figure other formats are smart enough to use the right extension.
06:27:08 [Aankhen``]
I should probably update my mental model to accommodate Apple Lossless, though.
06:27:09 [ajh]
Yeah, I don't get why they did that.
06:27:36 [Aankhen``]
* Aankhen`` shrugs.
06:28:03 [ajh]
but yeah, a couple 750G drives and I'll be set. :)
06:28:50 [Aankhen``]
Ahh, you and me both.
06:28:58 [Aankhen``]
Well, in my case, I'd need about eight.
06:29:06 [ajh]
All from originals?
06:29:40 [Aankhen``]
MBChatLogger: off
06:29:40 [MBChatLogger]
is not logging
06:29:56 [MBChatLogger]
is logging
06:30:01 [ajh]
Yeah, mine are. :)
06:30:07 [Aankhen``]
Wow, nice.
06:30:09 [Aankhen``]
How many CDs is that?
06:30:10 [ajh]
Or from borrowed original media.
06:30:22 [ajh]
Yay Canadian Copyright law. :)
06:30:49 [ajh]
Though the 400 discs I'm processing right now are all original presses.
06:31:23 [ajh]
Ripping to lossless sure is faster, seeing 35-40x speeds.
06:31:35 [BrianFreud]
BrianG: yep
06:31:43 [Aankhen``]
ajh: Yeah, much less compression.
06:31:49 [Aankhen``]
= much less work for the CPU.
06:31:57 [ajh]
Not compression per se, less filtering.
06:32:10 [Aankhen``]
Eh, that's right. My bad.
06:32:30 [Aankhen``]
"codec" being a rather misleading term in this context, heh.
06:33:05 [ajh]
Really wish this supported robots.
06:33:16 [Aankhen``]
"this"? "robots"?
06:33:25 [ajh]
itunes, and cd library robots.
06:33:29 [Aankhen``]
Ah.
06:33:37 [Aankhen``]
I don't believe I've ever come across CD library robots.
06:33:40 [ajh]
or the kenwood type 200 disc cartridge changers.
06:33:44 [Aankhen``]
Ooooh.
06:34:05 [ajh]
Yeah, the big ones are really expensive... but I'm sure I could 'demo' one.
06:34:16 [Aankhen``]
So, once again... how many albums would you say your collection will include once the dust has settled?
06:34:55 [ajh]
No idea. I have to re-borrow a bunch of original discs.. my strangeness is that it has a few hundred local/regional bands in there.
06:34:59 [Aankhen``]
Ah.
06:35:06 [Aankhen``]
An estimate?
06:35:20 [ajh]
Probably about 800 discs or so to start.
06:35:25 [Aankhen``]
Oooh.
06:35:41 [Aankhen``]
I never really bought CDs for the longest time.
06:35:43 [ajh]
I'm contemplating ripping lacquer and vinyl too though.
06:35:56 [ajh]
Yeah, 200 of those are bought directly from the band.
06:35:59 [Aankhen``]
I still don't, actually.
06:36:03 [Aankhen``]
Neat.
06:37:31 [ajh]
OK, I think 7am-2:40am is a long enough day...
06:37:36 [Aankhen``]
Yup.
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09:04:50 [FauxFaux]
Aaah, autoedits ftw.
09:06:42 [Shepard]
oh?
09:07:24 [FauxFaux]
(Disc 1) -> (disc 1) etc.
09:07:55 [FauxFaux]
The fact that I'd listened to this cd about twenty times and hadn't noticed worries me slightly, but never mind. :)
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09:36:39 [Jugdish]
luks?
09:36:49 [luks]
?
09:38:02 [Jugdish]
if you make an edit changing the quality setting of something and then make edits to it afterwards, and the quality setting gets approved before them, are those edits immediately bound to the new quality or the original quality?
09:38:50 [luks]
the original
09:38:57 [Jugdish]
ok, good
09:39:58 [Jugdish]
so in other words, all that matter is what the quality setting is at the time of opening a new edit, not at the time of the expiration of the edit?
09:40:33 [luks]
right
09:40:43 [Jugdish]
k thx :)
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09:51:52 [Freso]
Hm. I thought it was specifically meant to always be the current quality that determined what ModBot would do with a given edit.
09:52:00 [Freso]
Why was that changed?'
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13:12:25 [Muz_]
MOOOOSE :D
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Howdy
13:27:53 [aCiD2]
I know I shouldn't ask... but can I get a bunch of yes'es on the track removals in http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?artist_type=3&artist_id=346175&orderby=desc ?
13:28:22 [aCiD2]
Moved the whole release into it's seperate 4 discs (vinyl), and I'm just left with that album that is now disc 3.. but I can't tag my files with it like it is atm :P
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13:34:29 [warp]
aCiD2: it doesn't exist like this at all?
13:34:40 [warp]
(cd release or something)
13:34:42 [aCiD2]
What do you mean?
13:34:49 [aCiD2]
Oh, not that I'm aware
13:34:52 [aCiD2]
* aCiD2 checks
13:35:17 [aCiD2]
nope
13:35:18 [warp]
in general, track removals are scary. someone entered that data, so usually the disc exists like that.
13:35:34 [aCiD2]
I entered the data :P
13:35:40 [warp]
doh! ok :)
13:35:52 [warp]
changed your mind? ;)
13:35:57 [aCiD2]
It's all 4 discs in one, because I didn't realise I should enter vinyl per disc when I joined (what I fool I was!)
13:36:07 [warp]
ah
13:36:38 [warp]
i never really entered vinyl for which no cd exists.
13:36:52 [aCiD2]
* aCiD2 rips his vinyl
13:36:53 [warp]
usually whatever i need tagged is a cd rip, even if _I_ have the vinyl.
13:37:02 [aCiD2]
Hehe
13:37:11 [warp]
* warp downloads .flac, and only purchases vinyl afterward ;)
13:37:12 [aCiD2]
Can't get much dnb on cd
13:37:27 [aCiD2]
And I don't download or anything so... no choice here :)
13:37:31 [warp]
ok
13:38:15 [aCiD2]
Woo, I'm rank 5 of the most active editors last week ^_^
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13:41:56 [aCiD2]
Wow, splitting releases SUCKS
13:42:12 [aCiD2]
I need to write a proposal on a way to split releases
13:43:25 [Muz_]
For a second there, I thought aCiD2 was talking about software
13:43:32 [Muz_]
I then realised I was in the wrong channel
13:43:38 [aCiD2]
:D
13:43:40 [Muz_]
* Muz_ shakes fist at 20+ IRC tabs
13:44:01 [aCiD2]
:o
13:44:13 [aCiD2]
I can't get -anything- done with more than 2 irc tabs open
13:44:40 [Muz_]
And you think I am getting stuff done? :P
13:45:53 [aCiD2]
:P
13:46:17 [Muz_]
I jest, for the most part, I ignore all but 1 of my tabs
13:46:22 [warp]
20 seems reasonable.
13:46:55 [Muz_]
3 IRCNetworks, 23 channel tabs, and a handful of query tabs
13:46:56 [Muz_]
Heh
13:47:09 [warp]
* warp knows people who hit the freenode limit of amount of channels you can join.
13:47:17 [warp]
that's pretty scary.
13:47:19 [Jugdish]
question guys: should an "iTunes Exclusive" really be considered an official release for an artist? personally, i tend to think they are more "playlists" than "albums"
13:47:33 [warp]
* warp has 10 channels spread over 3 servers.
13:47:49 [warp]
Jugdish: huh?
13:47:57 [warp]
Jugdish: what is a 'playlist' in this context?
13:48:30 [Jugdish]
"playlist" as in just a collection of tracks that the iTunes Store feels the need to sell as a group, as opposed to an actual release that the artist recognizes as part of their own discography
13:49:45 [warp]
Jugdish: hm, i assume iTunes exclusive would contain tracks not available elsewhere.
13:49:49 [warp]
assumed
13:50:11 [Jugdish]
ok, in those instances i would say they should then be added to "non-album tracks", but not create an artificial
13:50:15 [Jugdish]
...album out of them
13:50:25 [Jugdish]
just because the iTunes Store wants to sell them together
13:50:31 [warp]
Jugdish: i have full albums which are iTunes exclusive.
13:50:42 [warp]
or well.. i have 1 and still need to get around to buying the other ;)
13:50:50 [Jugdish]
what makes it an "album" though?
13:51:13 [warp]
Jugdish: that's how iTunes sells it, that's how it is marketed elsewhere.
13:51:32 [Jugdish]
elsewhere? if it says "iTunes Exclusive" then it's not sold elsewhere
13:51:42 [warp]
not sold != not marketed
13:51:45 [warp]
http://na.square-enix.com/music/tunes/bootleg/
13:52:04 [Jugdish]
official bootleg, heh
13:52:09 [Jugdish]
oxymoron?
13:52:22 [luks]
http://musicbrainz.org/release/32388730-17e8-4aaa-beac-9ca19e018b61.html - here is an example of an album that was only released on itunes and nowhere else
13:52:24 [warp]
yeah, it's a weird release.
13:52:49 [Jugdish]
label is set to iTunes Store? is that how we've decided to handle this?
13:53:39 [luks]
well, if the itunes store did release it then I'd say yes
13:53:50 [luks]
but I don't think there was any "official" decision
13:54:04 [Jugdish]
how do you get the release date?
13:54:11 [luks]
from itunes
13:54:32 [Jugdish]
and it gives a catalog # too?
13:55:08 [luks]
cat# is just itunes's album ID, there already were some releases under itunes store to I just followed the style
13:55:22 [luks]
*so
13:57:10 [Jugdish]
ah
13:59:13 [Jugdish]
so what would the musicbrainz-approved title of "Live Session (iTunes Exclusive) - EP" be?
13:59:45 [luks]
I think "Live Session" is enough
13:59:50 [Jugdish]
k
14:01:13 [warp]
luks: where is that itunes' album id?
14:01:46 [luks]
I don't know how to find it in itunes, but I know people are able to get URLs from there :/
14:02:06 [luks]
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=129144255&s=143442
14:02:09 [luks]
for example
14:03:50 [warp]
<http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=212928630&s=143452>
14:03:58 [warp]
woops.
14:04:16 [warp]
luks: thanks. i clicked 'tell a friend' in itunes and got the link trhough email.
14:04:20 [luks]
ah
14:04:41 [warp]
so that id is used as catalog id?
14:04:57 [luks]
I think it's the best info we have
14:05:04 [warp]
* warp nods.
14:05:08 [Jugdish]
sounds good to me
14:05:27 [srotta]
I don't like it.
14:06:39 [srotta]
How likely is it for those IDs to stay the same for, say, half a year?-)
14:06:53 [luks]
why would they change them?
14:07:02 [srotta]
Because they haveno reason not to?
14:07:04 [luks]
stable IDs = more money
14:07:24 [luks]
and isn't more money the reason for running itunes store? :)
14:07:27 [srotta]
Stable IDs = not an issue, if they decide to "develop" their shop further.
14:07:48 [srotta]
That's just a fact, links rot.
14:08:17 [srotta]
And if the ID is not exactly advertised, they have no reason to keep them if they change the architecture, or just for the heck of it.
14:08:38 [luks]
they are using the ID to link to their store
14:08:49 [luks]
if they change it, they break many sites linking to them
14:09:09 [luks]
which mean people won't be able to find albums and thus won't buy them
14:09:18 [luks]
apple would go against itself
14:09:32 [luks]
it's the same as with amazon, they have no reason to change asins
14:09:32 [srotta]
Which wouldn't be exactly the first time.
14:09:35 [srotta]
8)
14:10:41 [srotta]
But yeah, I probably won't be buying anything from them in near future, and I probably won't go checking those IDs either. I just don't like the idea of using a part of an URL, if it's not documented to stay the same.
14:11:38 [warp]
* warp buys more itunes exclusives :(
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14:13:59 [Muz_]
Wanted the topic :)
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14:22:02 [Jugdish]
luks: what happens if you try to merge an album into another album with a different number of tracks?
14:22:28 [aCiD2]
Uhh... if change track numbers, does the order of the tracks not update?
14:22:46 [luks]
aCiD2: it does
14:22:53 [Jugdish]
aCiD2: the track change edit has to get applied for it show up
14:22:53 [aCiD2]
Good
14:23:02 [aCiD2]
It hasn't in the preview, just checking
14:23:03 [luks]
Jugdish: the extra tracks will be moved to the other album
14:23:47 [Jugdish]
luks: so is it a bad idea to merge http://musicbrainz.org/release/a24d8294-a5ea-4276-8166-b6869f93f168.html into http://musicbrainz.org/release/21289194-c574-4752-89b7-045404d03f53.html ?
14:24:44 [luks]
not if you remove puids and trms from 7 [untitled]
14:25:09 [luks]
otherwise they will be moved to 7 [silence]
14:25:11 [Jugdish]
ok
14:26:14 [Jugdish]
warp, was it you who was saying removing trm's is pointless because they are going to be eliminated soon?
14:26:15 [luks]
or just remove the track, easier :)
14:26:43 [Jugdish]
luks: would the removal of the track need to get applied before i do the merge edit?
14:26:50 [luks]
yes
14:27:05 [luks]
just post the link here, I'm sure you can get 3 votes quickly :)
14:27:08 [Jugdish]
k
14:29:49 [warp]
Jugdish: er, not likely.
14:30:07 [Jugdish]
oh sorry, i thought you were murdos :P
14:30:35 [Jugdish]
does he ever come in here?
14:30:55 [warp]
meh.. you ppl.
14:31:26 [warp]
spent atleast half an hour buy stuff from iTunes, removing DRM, getting all info ready to enter those into musicbrainz.
14:31:48 [warp]
* warp is at work and should've been working ;)
14:32:06 [warp]
damn itunes exclusives.
14:35:52 [Jugdish]
"yes" votes please :) http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6810373
14:37:24 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux votes no. ¬_¬
14:37:41 [Freso]
* Freso is going to vote no as well...
14:37:50 [Freso]
FauxFaux: Did you add a note?
14:38:06 [FauxFaux]
I didn't even click the link. :p
14:38:31 [Jugdish]
jerks!
14:40:00 [Freso]
Jugdish: Read my note.
14:40:42 [Jugdish]
Freso: the "[untitled]" track is final track on the other release
14:40:43 [luks]
Freso: do realize he is going to merge the releases?
14:40:50 [luks]
er, +you
14:41:26 [luks]
the other option is to add 17 "silence" tracks
14:41:28 [Freso]
luks: Yes, but that means that I'll just have to find that merge and vote no there too. :)
14:41:38 [luks]
huh?
14:42:03 [Freso]
luks: Read my note.
14:42:08 [luks]
Freso: merging two unrelated tracks is wrong, renamed or not
14:42:26 [Freso]
luks: If they're not the same, neither are the releases.
14:42:32 [Jugdish]
Freso: I understand neither of the 2 notes you added there
14:42:51 [luks]
Freso: the real release has 17 silence tracks
14:43:05 [luks]
somebody added it without them, because AMG doesn't list them
14:43:19 [luks]
are you saying the bogus release should be kept?
14:44:16 [Freso]
luks: No, I just hadn't heard the magic words "bogus release" before now.
14:44:43 [luks]
well, the first note has a link to it...
14:45:35 [luks]
hehe
14:45:40 [luks]
AMG actually does list them
14:46:52 [Freso]
luks: No. The first note has a link to another release, which might as well be the bogus release from where I'm sitting. Nowhere is it stated that one release or the other is non-existant.
14:46:59 [Jugdish]
but torrent sites wouldn't include the silence tracks and that's probably where the person who added the "bogus release" got their copy since they didn't add a DiscID to it
14:48:04 [Jugdish]
Freso: you're saying that this artist released to physical copies of a CD, one with 17 silence tracks and one without? does that really seem more logical than somebody obtaining their copy online with no silence tracks, and another person obtaining the actual CD with the silence tracks?
14:48:46 [Freso]
Jugdish: Unfortunately, I've found that humans are not (always) logical. :)
14:49:13 [ajh]
There's no reason at all the keep the silence tracks.
14:49:21 [luks]
ajh: there is
14:49:32 [Freso]
ajh: Huh?
14:49:43 [ajh]
No, you compensate for the fact they could or could-not actually be there as files.
14:49:49 [luks]
Jugdish: can you cancel the remove track edit? I'll add the silence tracks and then it can be merged
14:50:08 [ajh]
Sure keep them in the database entry.
14:50:09 [luks]
they way the track id will be kept
14:50:54 [Jugdish]
luks: done
14:52:36 [luks]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6810497
14:52:56 [Jugdish]
thanks luks
14:53:08 [Jugdish]
sigh....you skeptics making things so difficult! :P
14:53:34 [luks]
yeah, I had to click "Add Tracks" 17 times! :)
14:53:40 [luks]
we need a better way to add multiple tracks
15:01:20 [Freso]
luks: Open Source, for itch scratchers ;)
15:01:35 [luks]
hm?
15:02:06 [Freso]
16:53] luks: we need a better way to add multiple tracks
15:03:59 [aCiD2]
luks, I second that!
15:04:09 [aCiD2]
I had to add 5 tracks and the re-organise, that was painful enough
15:04:31 [luks]
the whole release editor could use more javascript
15:06:23 [aCiD2]
Yea
15:06:44 [aCiD2]
And way more async stuff... to much clicking and going to other pages
15:07:01 [aCiD2]
What framework is MB using?
15:07:04 [aCiD2]
Jquery?
15:07:34 [luks]
I've started using mochikit since the last release
15:07:47 [aCiD2]
Mootools is my favourite
15:07:54 [luks]
but there isn't much code written in it, shouldn't be hard to port it
15:07:57 [aCiD2]
So light yet powerful
15:09:14 [aCiD2]
hmm, when I finish xhtml'izing the site, I might start to look into some js solutions
15:10:01 [aCiD2]
luks, can ubuntu display some fonts without antialiasing?
15:10:08 [aCiD2]
I hate looking at blurry code
15:10:15 [luks]
only some or all of them?
15:10:20 [chillware]
morning everyone :) any update on when Alpha9 will be ready?
15:10:21 [aCiD2]
Only some
15:10:35 [luks]
you will need to make a config file for that
15:10:53 [luks]
* luks googles
15:11:05 [aCiD2]
Hmm, I swear I had some fonts (Terminius or something?) that only displayed fixed width without antialiaising
15:12:41 [aCiD2]
http://www.beranger.org/index.php?article=2150 looks good...
15:12:51 [aCiD2]
Not for what I want, but a good read nontheless
15:13:11 [luks]
you need to create ~/.fonts.conf
15:13:30 [luks]
but I'm not sure about the syntax right now, it's quite some time since I used it last time
15:13:59 [aCiD2]
np, I'll hunt it down :)
15:15:00 [luks]
something like http://rafb.net/p/J5KH0g47.html I think
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15:15:24 [luks]
but it's just a guess based on my current ~/.fonts.conf and /etc/fonts/fonts.conf
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15:16:06 [luks]
chillware: sorry, I was planning on the weekend
15:16:17 [luks]
but I somehow didn't have time...
15:16:28 [luks]
maybe I'll do it later today
15:18:00 [luks]
aCiD2: http://www.howtoforge.com/sharp_fonts_gnome_p3 (section 6)
15:18:09 [aCiD2]
Thanks
15:20:59 [aCiD2]
luks, you're a godsend, this article looks like EXACTLY what I want, and fonts were pretty much the number 1 thing holding me back from Linux
15:21:38 [luks]
I was fighting with this myself a couple of times
15:21:54 [luks]
the default fonts on all distros are ugly
15:22:13 [aCiD2]
Aye
15:22:20 [aCiD2]
I can bearly read xchat atm
15:27:37 [ojnkpjg]
what font to you use for xchat
15:29:38 [ojnkpjg]
you should try bitstream vera mono
15:30:42 [luks]
vera doesn't look good at small sizes
15:31:02 [aCiD2]
I'm using sans
15:31:08 [aCiD2]
Whatever that is :P
15:31:22 [luks]
I wish freetype was able to render consolas properly
15:31:34 [srotta]
aCiD2: It's (probably) not a font, but a atype of font.
15:32:00 [srotta]
So system is picking some default for you.
15:32:00 [aCiD2]
crap, my fonts have blown up, it's cutting the end of lines off...
15:32:03 [aCiD2]
brb, gotta restart X
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15:36:09 [aCiD2]
Hmmm, Tahoma hasn't installed properly... but just setting the dpi right looks way better
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15:51:27 [Shepard]
Tahoma isn't designed properly
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16:16:23 [aCiD2]
Ahhhh, gorgeous now :)
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16:22:03 [dalen]
on the latest Laibach live release Boris Benko is credited as "Special ghost appearance", we need a new AR :)
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16:40:03 [Shepard]
lol
16:44:50 [aCiD2]
yo draunde: Question.... if we have 2 artists working together (E.g. Noisia & TeeBee), that should be set as a collaboration between Noisia & TeeBee right?
16:45:13 [aCiD2]
Cause I saw something like that, but instead of a collab, it had the legal names of each group set to be a member of the collab (if that makes sense)
16:45:49 [drsaunde]
yeah....well usually a collaboration is a one-time only thing...where as if they have a bunch of releases together..then you should use "is a member of"
16:46:26 [Kerensky97]
In case the members of the groups change over time for instance.
16:46:27 [aCiD2]
Ah, right
16:47:34 [drsaunde]
also acid...make sure they actually collaborated on at least a track...you know that in dnb..there are often releases by "A & B" where one side is artist A and the other is artist B, and they never actually collaborated
16:48:36 [aCiD2]
Hmmm... why wouldn't they colloborate?
16:48:53 [aCiD2]
I mean, if it's on the record as "X & Y: Track" surely that's how it should be entered?
16:49:37 [Kerensky97]
Those exist too.
16:49:41 [drsaunde]
yeah...absolutely
16:50:50 [drsaunde]
I was just giving a warning...for releases like this: http://www.discogs.com/release/252960 .. where there isn't a collaboration
16:51:53 [aCiD2]
Oh I see
16:51:59 [aCiD2]
Yea, that would go under Various Artists
16:52:10 [Kerensky97]
exactly
16:52:20 [Kerensky97]
basically a 2 artist VA
16:52:25 [aCiD2]
Good, I've been doing it right then ;)
16:52:39 [aCiD2]
I just saw the member thing earlier, and was unsure about it, so I thought I'd find out why
16:58:21 [Shepard]
does anyone know if there's a foobar plugin for CD lookups with MB?
17:03:56 [Muz_]
Can't you set MB as a CDDB gateway?
17:04:02 [Muz_]
Or is that still being dev'd on?
17:04:27 [Shepard]
oh right
17:06:13 [Freso]
dalen: Re: "Special ghost appearance"; See http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/FrederikSOlesen/SubOptimalCredits =)
17:06:37 [Freso]
Muz_: You can, just not through mb.o
17:07:05 [Muz_]
Heh
17:07:27 [aCiD2]
What is the correct way to stop a component (mb_server)? I see some code doing "return if $blah" - but I think that cuts the </html> out
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17:35:22 [warp]
anyone around who can type japanese? :)
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17:37:15 [warp]
nm, found a copy/pasteable source.
17:37:27 [aCiD2]
Grrr, can anyone access htttp://86.142.12.146 ?
17:37:35 [aCiD2]
erk... 3 ts
17:37:40 [aCiD2]
http://86.142.12.146 even
17:37:52 [aCiD2]
Cause I can't... but all my port forwarding is correct :/
17:39:22 [warp]
doesn't look like it.
17:39:36 [aCiD2]
Bah
17:40:48 [warp]
eep, musicbrainz is timing out.
17:41:01 [warp]
oh.. works again. slowly.
17:41:46 [ruaok]
sorry, dave was tweaking some config bits and bobs
17:42:29 [drsaunde]
gotta watch those bobs :-)
17:44:10 [warp]
ruaok: np :)
17:44:53 [warp]
sometimes i wish i just had a client app where i would put in all data for an album.
17:45:16 [warp]
it just scares me that a whole bunch of work could be lost if somehow my session is lost.
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17:59:29 [aCiD2]
drsaunde, hhmmmm... misread that :P
18:02:41 [aCiD2]
Does anyone know what would stop my apache server being accessible to the public (ie, not just localhost)? I removed ServerName in the virtual host so it's not that, and my ports are correctly forwarded...
18:02:55 [aCiD2]
Does mb_server default to being only accessible locally?
18:07:59 [aCiD2]
brb, rebooting router
18:09:26 [Freso]
aCiD2: You can tell apache to only listen to 127.0.0.1 somewhere.
18:09:48 [Freso]
aCiD2: And there's always the possibility of using a firewall.
18:26:27 [BrianFreud]
hi guys
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18:29:26 [FauxFaux]
I notice that PicardQt is aware of Disc numbers, anyone know why they don't get filled in?
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18:32:06 [BrianFreud]
you using the disc# plugin?
18:32:15 [FauxFaux]
Nope. Good answer. :)
18:32:28 [FauxFaux]
!wiki PicardQt
18:32:29 [BrainzBot]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=PicardQt
18:32:32 [BrianFreud]
:)
18:32:36 [FauxFaux]
Not that wiki, silly bot.
18:32:51 [BrianFreud]
FauxFaux - look up top :P
18:33:11 [Freso]
Or type /topic
18:33:15 [FauxFaux]
I know where it is, I just wanted to keep my hands on the keyboard for a little longer. ;)
18:33:25 [BrianFreud]
hehe
18:33:27 [Freso]
Type /topic
18:33:44 [FauxFaux]
My script doesn't pick-up topics.
18:34:31 [Freso]
Hm. I recall irssi echoing the current topic when prompted by /topic? But it's the output of that there's some script that doesn't catch?
18:34:54 [Freso]
Anyway, FauxFaux, 'ere ye go: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardQt
18:35:01 [Freso]
(If it's not too late.)
18:35:34 [aCiD2]
Wow, http://86.128.149.163/MM/index.html is one uuuugly page
18:36:33 [FauxFaux]
Freso: Yeah, it only watches messages.. plus, most topics have more than one link in anyway. :)
18:36:57 [FauxFaux]
Hmm, disc numbers removes them from the title too.
18:37:01 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux patches.
18:37:30 [BrianFreud]
you can always add them back
18:37:43 [BrianFreud]
just put it back in in the title naming string
18:38:11 [FauxFaux]
Heh.
18:39:46 [BrianFreud]
* BrianFreud hates his cable company
18:40:12 [BrianFreud]
They decided to switch all internal routers this week... So I'm down from 8mb speed to 240k speed til they finish
18:40:30 [aCiD2]
:/
18:40:46 [BrianFreud]
hey acid, you see my pm?
18:40:55 [aCiD2]
ooo, just noticed
18:41:02 [FauxFaux]
Place I'm staying over the summer (3 months) has 256k, and that's a line limitation, not a package one.
18:41:13 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux is going to DIE.
18:41:14 [BrianFreud]
ouch
18:41:33 [aCiD2]
* aCiD2 's internet is throttled to about 512k at "peak hours"
18:41:35 [Freso]
* Freso pats FauxFaux
18:42:06 [FauxFaux]
It might actually be quicker to buy stuff on dvd than torrent it. :p
18:42:28 [aCiD2]
Hmmm, MusicBrainz needs a beefy HTML/CSS overhall imo... I see far to many <br />'s and <center>s
18:42:45 [Freso]
What's wrong with "<br />'s"?
18:42:59 [aCiD2]
They are being used for layout
18:43:00 [BrianFreud]
better to cluster and use css
18:43:05 [aCiD2]
Yup
18:43:06 [Freso]
Ah.
18:43:15 [aCiD2]
All about the semantics :)
18:43:16 [FauxFaux]
Also, vorbis -q9 r0x0rz.
18:43:49 [BrianFreud]
FauxFaux - if you're doing a lot of rock, punk, etc, you can normally get away with -8 and not notice any difference
18:44:07 [aCiD2]
Brian, well - that's subjective ):
18:44:19 [Shepard]
aCiD2: it had an overhall, but the codebase is a monster so it's not that easy and therefore not perfect yet. but feel free to help out with that!
18:44:33 [aCiD2]
Shepard, I am atm :)
18:44:34 [FauxFaux]
BrianFreud: I'm on "not caring", it's still generally 1/2 the size of flac.
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18:44:36 [BrianFreud]
audiophile tests, only classical were they able to hear the difference between 8 and 9, or 8 and 10
18:44:37 [ph1zzle]
hey all
18:44:50 [BrianFreud]
FauxFaux: lol
18:44:52 [Shepard]
hey
18:44:58 [aCiD2]
I'm currently going through every public page (public to search engines) and making sure they are valid... then I'll go back and make sure it is semantically correct :)
18:45:04 [FauxFaux]
At -q9 most of the time it hits under the average, anyway, which means it's "lossless" anyway.
18:45:07 [ph1zzle]
real quickly, what is higher ranking in the database, albummeta.asin or album_amazon_asin.asin?
18:45:19 [Shepard]
aCiD2: thumbs up
18:45:23 [aCiD2]
:)
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18:51:58 [ajh]
Wonder if Apple has considered doing to iTunes what it did to iPhoto with Aperture.
18:54:38 [aCiD2]
ajh, What would that be?
18:55:46 [ajh]
Have you looked at Aperture?
18:56:03 [srotta]
Finally did something that didn't start with i?
18:56:05 [ajh]
Basically they'd make a pro version of iTunes that had all the cool features people want.
18:56:35 [ajh]
You know, like on the fly conversion, etc... basic audio editing etc.
18:56:53 [ajh]
Aperture is an all RAW image processing/library package.
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19:01:53 [catgroove]
rrr
19:02:11 [catgroove]
what mb needs is *less* css and javascript and more html imho
19:02:28 [BrianFreud]
why?
19:02:53 [catgroove]
opera loads all html before css and javascript, so if I want to use javescript things or see the whole page in all its pretty ness, I have to wait
19:03:14 [catgroove]
although musicbrainz is such a slimlined site it loads pretty quick
19:03:16 [BrianFreud]
opera has the best css support of all the browsers though
19:03:19 [catgroove]
as well as opera being fast
19:03:26 [catgroove]
true
19:03:34 [BrianFreud]
if the site were properly written in css/html, it ought to load fast than if it was all html, no css
19:03:42 [BrianFreud]
*/faster
19:03:47 [catgroove]
really?
19:03:51 [BrianFreud]
yes
19:04:03 [BrianFreud]
the css lets opera figure out the way to display.
19:04:13 [BrianFreud]
if the html is "clustered" into text groups,
19:04:21 [FauxFaux]
The best thing about css is you can put it in an external file and cache it.
19:04:23 [catgroove]
it's not so much spead as the 'it loads then blinks and everything moves because the textblolbs get a different size/font and colours show up* thing
19:04:31 [FauxFaux]
So it'd only load the css once, tehn instantly every other time.
19:04:36 [BrianFreud]
opera then can interpret the css and as it gets done pulling down each "cluster" of text, it can display it
19:04:45 [catgroove]
hmmmmmm
19:04:55 [BrianFreud]
html only, it has to wait til the whole thing is downloaded, then figure out what to do with the mess
19:04:56 [catgroove]
maybe it's the html that's making it weird then instead
19:05:24 [Freso]
Also, from what I would guess, the HTML is dynamically generated, while the CSS is a "frozen" file.
19:05:29 [catgroove]
* catgroove sigh
19:05:29 [BrianFreud]
I've not looked how MB does it, but a good example is tables with html, vs text+css
19:05:38 [BrianFreud]
text+css will render a hell of a lot faster
19:05:43 [catgroove]
* catgroove sigh again
19:05:44 [Freso]
Which means that the less HTML would have to be generated, the faster the page would generate - and thus be served.
19:05:50 [catgroove]
I keep getting spam for mhotmail
19:05:58 [BrianFreud]
Freso: and less server load :)
19:06:03 [Freso]
BrianFreud: That, too.
19:06:36 [catgroove]
they keep telling me that I wanted to renew my password, or that my mail had an error
19:06:39 [Freso]
While we're at it, MB.o uses <tables> excessively as well, IIRC.
19:06:44 [catgroove]
I don't even have a hotmail account!
19:06:48 [Freso]
*<table>s
19:07:01 [Freso]
catgroove: Sounds like phishing.
19:07:01 [catgroove]
also wmp does gapless fine :P
19:07:06 [catgroove]
Freso: it is
19:07:09 [catgroove]
it's annoying
19:07:14 [Freso]
catgroove: Report it!
19:07:40 [BrianFreud]
catgroove: you ever tried wmpc? I find it's a lot more stable with less resource utilization
19:07:40 [catgroove]
especially since this email account was created less than two monts ago and i've not used it for anything else but last fm and musicbrainz
19:07:51 [catgroove]
what is wmpc?
19:07:52 [aCiD2]
Does http://86.128.149.163/MM/index.html look half ok? I haven't done any styling really, but hopefully it's more readable than http://musicbrainz.org/MM/
19:08:06 [BrianFreud]
windows media player classic - open source re-write on media player
19:08:18 [catgroove]
BrianFreud: :OOOOOOOOooooo
19:08:22 [BrianFreud]
and you can add realplayer support too :)
19:08:22 [catgroove]
no?!
19:08:24 [catgroove]
gimem link!
19:08:35 [catgroove]
its broadpark that's being ass
19:08:51 [catgroove]
all my emails there is fux0red with spam even if I don't give my adress to anybody
19:09:14 [catgroove]
also the spam things'headers are for mbroadpark too
19:09:37 [aCiD2]
Freso, It's <tables> atm, won't be for long though ;)
19:09:38 [catgroove]
aCiD2: your's look neater
19:09:44 [aCiD2]
Goody
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19:10:05 [Freso]
aCiD2: If you need any help, please let me know. :)
19:10:09 [aCiD2]
Still not enough margin's etc in the file, but that doesn't belong there (I'll add that when I get to the css)
19:10:15 [BrianFreud]
catgroove: finding it now... net REALLY slow here atm
19:10:22 [catgroove]
ok
19:10:29 [ruaok]
aCiD2: you know that the RDF stuff is outdate and depricated, right?
19:10:34 [aCiD2]
ruaok, I thought so
19:10:35 [ruaok]
so that page is going to go away real soon now.
19:10:44 [aCiD2]
But the page existed.. and it was next on my list :)
19:10:49 [ruaok]
* ruaok wants to save aCiD2 from wasting time.
19:10:52 [aCiD2]
:)
19:11:01 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♪ Bananaphone (Osakaphone speed mix) - raffi ♪
19:11:03 [aCiD2]
So RDF isn't used at all now?
19:11:04 [catgroove]
:D:D
19:11:13 [catgroove]
bananaphone ♫ ♬ ♩ ♬ ♪
19:11:22 [ruaok]
its still in use, but it should not be used for new development.
19:11:22 [aCiD2]
:o
19:11:29 [aCiD2]
What uses it?
19:11:35 [ruaok]
and those docs are ancient anyway.
19:11:46 [ruaok]
mostly the old tagger. and soundjuicer.
19:11:51 [catgroove]
♫ ♬ ♩ ♬ ♪
19:12:02 [Freso]
aCiD2: You're not adding id=""'s, from what I can tell... ?
19:12:31 [aCiD2]
Freso, I don't generally add ID's to elements unless i will specifically need them
19:12:41 [Freso]
aCiD2: Also, "<p>&nbsp;</p>"?
19:12:43 [catgroove]
* catgroove dance
19:12:47 [BrianFreud]
Here's the wiki for it - links to bin and code from here, plus the quicktime and real plugins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Player_Classic
19:12:54 [aCiD2]
Freso, Just cause I haven't hit css yet
19:12:58 [Freso]
aCiD2: There're in the source, so they may have been used for people to link to.
19:13:02 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♫ ♬ ♩ ♬ ♪
19:13:04 [aCiD2]
(That would be replaced with a margin-bottom)
19:13:13 [ruaok]
luks: ping!
19:13:18 [luks]
pong!!
19:13:19 [Freso]
*They're
19:13:21 [aCiD2]
Freso, What, the ids?
19:13:25 [Freso]
aCiD2: Aye.
19:13:29 [aCiD2]
They are anchors, and they should still be in there
19:13:35 [ruaok]
luks: do you still need me to do anything on #2791 ?
19:13:54 [aCiD2]
Looks like I deleted 2 of them though
19:13:55 [Freso]
aCiD2: They aren't...
19:13:58 [catgroove]
* catgroove spazes out
19:14:04 [aCiD2]
3 anchors work for me, heh
19:14:16 [luks]
ruaok: yes
19:14:23 [Freso]
aCiD2: Anyway, it would be better (ie., more semantical correct) to put the id="" in the <hX>.
19:14:27 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♫ ♬ ♩ ♬ ♪
19:14:30 [ruaok]
as you requested in the bug report?
19:14:30 [luks]
first of all, the six release will need manual db fixes
19:14:39 [aCiD2]
Freso, I actually didn't know you could do that, thanks :)
19:14:39 [catgroove]
* catgroove ♫ ♬ ♩ ♬ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♩ ♬ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♩ ♬ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♩ ♬ ♪
19:14:42 [luks]
set label to null
19:14:52 [aCiD2]
I don't really use anchors, so thanks for that Freso :)
19:14:55 [Freso]
aCiD2: *All* elements can have classes and ids.
19:14:59 [aCiD2]
I know that
19:15:04 [ruaok]
luks: can you give me a query to execute?
19:15:07 [Freso]
aCiD2: And all ids can be referenced. :)
19:15:08 [luks]
sure
19:15:10 [aCiD2]
I didn't know that # pointed to any id - I thought it was just A elements
19:15:20 [aCiD2]
(when in an url)
19:15:20 [Freso]
You do now. ^^
19:15:26 [aCiD2]
Do indeed :D
19:15:34 [catgroove]
moose ball
19:15:55 [catgroove]
ヘラジカ玉
19:17:15 [Freso]
aCiD2: I also sincerely doubt that "Introduction" and the other sub-headers are <h1>-worthy... I'd probably give them an <h2>-tag.
19:17:47 [aCiD2]
Freso, A fair point but ruaok says that page is going soon, so I'm not changing it anymore now
19:17:50 [Freso]
The <div> around "MusicBrainz Metadata Initiative 2.1" should be an <h1> though.
19:18:02 [aCiD2]
And that div is in another file, which I haven't reached yet :)
19:18:21 [Freso]
aCiD2: Well, they're pointers you can use for other areas as well. :)
19:18:25 [aCiD2]
Yup!
19:18:38 [Freso]
* Freso loves (X)HTML nitpicking
19:18:39 [Freso]
:p
19:19:32 [luks]
would be easier to copy&paste it to wiki and make it a wikidocs page :)
19:19:50 [aCiD2]
Or let ruaok delete it :P
19:20:08 [catgroove]
hmn
19:20:10 [aCiD2]
Freso, you get my pm?
19:20:15 [catgroove]
looks like wmpc is winXP
19:20:47 [Freso]
ruaok: Btw, have you had contact with Google re: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/12/searching-for-music.html ?
19:20:58 [Freso]
aCiD2: I'm afraid not.
19:21:08 [aCiD2]
Oh? odd :P
19:21:11 [aCiD2]
I'll try again ^_^
19:21:18 [catgroove]
if someone isn't registerd you can put
19:21:20 [catgroove]
/msg nickserv set unfiltered on
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to get messages for m unregisterd
19:21:39 [ruaok]
Freso: more or less, yes.
19:21:40 [catgroove]
people
19:21:43 [aCiD2]
I should be logged in
19:21:47 [Freso]
ruaok: Alright.
19:21:49 [ruaok]
* ruaok has spoken to the product manager
19:21:50 [aCiD2]
Oh, maybe not, heh
19:22:28 [catgroove]
ruaok: I remember you said there was a version of windows that was just before xp but wasn't crappy like me?
19:22:35 [catgroove]
2000 ?
19:22:48 [catgroove]
I need a new machine
19:22:51 [BrianFreud]
200, then xp, then 2003
19:22:58 [catgroove]
and I can't install ME on anew machine
19:23:12 [ruaok]
* ruaok nods
19:23:12 [catgroove]
2000 has unicodez?
19:23:18 [BrianFreud]
2000 won't install right if the machine can't handle ME
19:23:20 [BrianFreud]
yes
19:23:20 [Freso]
Yes.
19:23:33 [catgroove]
but it's not inane like XP, yes?
19:23:43 [ruaok]
we need to find catgroove a decent hand me down machine.
19:23:47 [catgroove]
ja
19:23:49 [BrianFreud]
you can set it not to be, catgroove
19:23:50 [catgroove]
I need a new one
19:24:04 [aCiD2]
He can have my failure of a machine when I go to uni and get an iMac
19:24:04 [catgroove]
I <3 my old fujitsu simens WinME but it's getting old
19:24:14 [aCiD2]
(October)
19:24:19 [catgroove]
ooohhhh
19:24:24 [aCiD2]
It's nothing special :P
19:24:30 [catgroove]
it is for me
19:24:33 [ruaok]
* ruaok is about to get a Mac Pro and will have a dual powermac to give up.
19:24:35 [catgroove]
this machine was new in 03
19:24:36 [aCiD2]
2.2ghz athlon xp, 512mb ram and a radean 9800
19:24:41 [catgroove]
ooh mac
19:24:48 [aCiD2]
ruaok, good choice :)
19:24:52 [catgroove]
lol this machine has 125 RAM
19:24:53 [ruaok]
keschte still has a mac mini.
19:24:56 [aCiD2]
I <3 my MacBook, but wish it was a pro
19:25:00 [ruaok]
I gave it to him for dev work.
19:25:02 [ruaok]
but....
19:25:06 [catgroove]
:(
19:25:10 [ruaok]
I wish I could give that to catgroove
19:25:21 [ruaok]
* ruaok hugs his macbook pro
19:25:49 [catgroove]
aCiD2: how many gigs is that machine?
19:26:01 [aCiD2]
Of hard-drive mem?
19:26:12 [aCiD2]
250, but I can't give the drive away too (I need that! :P)
19:26:12 [catgroove]
I have 125 megs of ram now, 512 would seem lik a dream
19:26:19 [catgroove]
of storage
19:26:27 [catgroove]
lol
19:26:37 [BrianFreud]
catgroove: what cpu?
19:26:45 [ruaok]
* ruaok sends keschte mail
19:26:46 [catgroove]
this machine came with 40 gigs, but was updated to 80 when the harddrive melted
19:26:51 [catgroove]
erh.. cpu?
19:26:51 [aCiD2]
lol
19:27:03 [catgroove]
the repait man was most cool
19:27:12 [BrianFreud]
like pentium 3, celeron, etc?
19:27:16 [Kerensky97]
Dell occasionally comes has $400 bundles with 2.80Ghz dual core, 512MB, 80GB, and 19" flat panel.
19:27:34 [Kerensky97]
Cheap but good for easy stuff
19:27:39 [BrianFreud]
if it's only from 03, can prob be upgraded... mine's twice as old, and still running fine
19:27:48 [catgroove]
unfortunatly my cdply/dvdply room is borked, so I'm using my cdply/cdwrite for playing as well as writing, but I can't copy cd's that way
19:27:55 [catgroove]
also dvdwriter would be cool for storage
19:28:10 [aCiD2]
I could do with a dvdwriter
19:28:24 [BrianFreud]
catgroove: you can always copy it to the hard drive then write back to the drive, don't need 2 drives to copy
19:28:25 [catgroove]
hmm
19:28:30 [catgroove]
I may be undersagurating
19:28:38 [catgroove]
I started mb in 03 didn't I..
19:28:49 [catgroove]
so 01/02 most probably
19:29:04 [catgroove]
BrianFreud: you're asuming I have space enough for that
19:29:08 [BrianFreud]
lol, true
19:29:12 [BrianFreud]
do you know if it's a pentium 3, or celeron, or whatever?
19:29:15 [catgroove]
no
19:29:20 [catgroove]
I think pentium 3
19:29:22 [catgroove]
wait
19:29:24 [catgroove]
i'll find out
19:29:32 [BrianFreud]
I might have spare parts around collecting dust :P
19:29:55 [ruaok]
I have DDR-400 memory I could throw at this project.
19:30:09 [catgroove]
* catgroove finds the idea of people just *giving* him computer hardwareamasing
19:30:10 [BrianFreud]
not if it's a p3 though r...
19:30:29 [catgroove]
aah it says 'intel (r) celeron(tm) processor
19:30:41 [BrianFreud]
ok, good start
19:31:27 [BrianFreud]
try this - right click on my computer, choose properties, and look where it says on that window the speed of your computer (998 MHz, or whatever)
19:31:59 [aCiD2]
catgroove, Don't close knit community projects rock? :)
19:32:02 [BrianFreud]
hehe
19:32:43 [ruaok]
if not, we should take up a collection to put whatever is missing.
19:32:50 [ruaok]
* ruaok has $30 for that action
19:33:03 [catgroove]
BrianFreud: that's what I did to get to the info
19:33:06 [catgroove]
I'm not *that* daft :P
19:33:10 [BrianFreud]
does it give you a speed?
19:33:11 [BrianFreud]
lol
19:33:18 [catgroove]
127 RAM
19:33:30 [BrianFreud]
any MHz number?
19:33:36 [catgroove]
says nothing about megahertz
19:33:42 [BrianFreud]
been a while since I used ME, lol
19:33:51 [catgroove]
I've got a other program for that.. maybe
19:34:02 [catgroove]
nah I deleleted that
19:34:29 [ajh]
hey, anyone know a good tool for turning lossless files into CD's and printing the cover art at the same time?
19:34:30 [catgroove]
all i did find of it was that of the 127 ram I have about 126 is used up on a clean boot up
19:34:42 [catgroove]
ajh: the only on I know of is nero
19:34:53 [catgroove]
I usedot copy cd's
19:35:25 [BrianFreud]
try this http://www.benchmarkhq.ru/fclick/fclick.php?fid=102
19:35:35 [BrianFreud]
(for catgroove)
19:35:38 [ajh]
hrm, ok the nero I seemed to have didn't have things like grab cover art.
19:35:51 [catgroove]
I didn't even know you could copy from files (i used mp3) but it goes well with wav. I don't know if it supports any other formats, tho
19:36:09 [catgroove]
hmm on the one I have is 'create your own cover art'
19:36:12 [catgroove]
and print it out
19:36:36 [ajh]
yeah, I'm looking for something that looks like what itunes does but will manage the workflow from start to finish.
19:36:41 [BrianFreud]
try that utility catgroove, it'll tell you/us what cpu and speed you have
19:36:42 [catgroove]
hmmmm
19:36:54 [catgroove]
I don't really like to install something right now
19:37:05 [BrianFreud]
no need to install - it's a 36k prog
19:37:12 [BrianFreud]
:)
19:37:20 [catgroove]
erh guys
19:37:22 [catgroove]
seriously
19:37:34 [catgroove]
looking atmy only driver D:
19:37:37 [catgroove]
it's all blue
19:37:40 [catgroove]
seriously
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* catgroove lols
19:38:00 [catgroove]
uh my driver is C not D
19:38:04 [ajh]
Stuck in a 3rd world country with no access to cheap used hardware?
19:38:11 [catgroove]
* catgroove shakes head inhouse style
19:38:21 [catgroove]
uhm
19:38:21 [BrianFreud]
Norway's not 3rd world... :)
19:38:24 [catgroove]
I live in norway
19:38:28 [catgroove]
asshat
19:38:30 [ajh]
because I've been selling 3ghz P4's for $400 CAD.
19:38:31 [catgroove]
:P
19:38:32 [luks]
I have some spare drives, but I guess just sending them be more expensive than buying a new ones :)
19:38:53 [catgroove]
mister rob's coming here in may, ain't he?
19:39:04 [ruaok]
catgroove: no. :-(
19:39:08 [catgroove]
:o
19:39:11 [ruaok]
I can't afford .no
19:39:12 [ajh]
Just built an Athlon 2K with 768M and 80G disk that's I was thinking about selling for $150.
19:39:13 [catgroove]
not? what happen?
19:39:27 [ruaok]
I'm going to london at the end of this month.
19:39:31 [ajh]
So it's not like getting something between what you have now and those is hard.
19:39:32 [catgroove]
rrr
19:39:32 [ruaok]
and I am taking a week off.
19:39:42 [ruaok]
shit, maybe I can just go to norway for a few days.
19:39:46 [ruaok]
* ruaok checks flights
19:39:48 [catgroove]
:o
19:39:51 [BrianFreud]
lol
19:39:58 [catgroove]
seriously you can crash here
19:40:00 [catgroove]
seriously
19:40:22 [catgroove]
* catgroove wouldn't mind the company actually
19:40:23 [BrianFreud]
I've got some PC100's I can throw in, if your comp doesn't need PC133s
19:40:34 [SerialNumber]
And when ruaok arrives... "WHAT?!"
19:40:36 [catgroove]
* catgroove is sweating out with all the hardware talk
19:40:42 [BrianFreud]
lol, memory
19:40:43 [BrianFreud]
:P
19:40:51 [catgroove]
I'd rather have a whole comp than bits and pieces
19:41:01 [BrianFreud]
that's what ruaok's for :P
19:41:01 [catgroove]
see that's how much I know :P
19:41:13 [ruaok]
* ruaok thinks the old computer should be tossed
19:41:33 [BrianFreud]
ruaokk: I think we found a good re-purposing for stimpy
19:41:34 [BrianFreud]
lol
19:41:42 [catgroove]
* catgroove thinks ru should get his big butt up here so mo can twap him for saying bad things about his ME machine :P
19:42:04 [ruaok]
wow. ryanair flies to oslo
19:42:07 [catgroove]
:D
19:43:13 [catgroove]
you could tke t-shirt and crack (ehe) with you
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19:43:25 [catgroove]
probably be cheeper as a flight rofl
19:43:34 [catgroove]
hi yllona!
19:43:45 [yllona]
hello mo, haow are you?
19:43:51 [BrianG]
whole computers are made from bits and pieces
19:43:52 [BrianG]
:)
19:44:10 [catgroove]
I wanted to talk to you ang. those 'live jazz' things and http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ReleaseTypeRestructuringProposal
19:44:19 [catgroove]
yes, but I don't know where each pice and bob goes
19:44:36 [BrianG]
just glue it all in a clump
19:44:37 [ruaok]
wow. 20GBP for a flight to Oslo Torp.
19:44:51 [yllona]
mo did you write this wiki page^^?
19:45:22 [catgroove]
yllona: do you think that the jazz (and other 'played for a live audience) release should have a release attribute?
19:45:25 [catgroove]
and yes, I did
19:45:48 [catgroove]
it's the singular most work i've ever putten in a projeect on mb
19:45:55 [catgroove]
(besides amybe uriah heep)
19:46:19 [yllona]
mo: most jazz recordings marked "live" are in fact played in front of an audience, even if the audience was invited into the recording studio
19:46:34 [catgroove]
yes I noticed you said that