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02:11:17 [brianfreud]
Scary... someone just emailed me because they found a website I created 11 years ago :D
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* nikki glows
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* Muzzz mooses
08:03:45 [Muzzz]
Awake on time for the first time in weeks :D
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* CatCat wonders what site that was asnd why nikki is glowing
09:08:47 [Muzzz]
All about moose, and she found some moose
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09:15:27 [CatCat]
ofcourse
09:15:38 [CatCat]
Muzzz, you should make a website about moose
09:15:44 [CatCat]
...
09:15:48 [CatCat]
lolelg!
09:16:00 [Muzzz]
Needs moar moose
09:16:16 [Muzzz]
* Muzzz is waiting on a grand scheme of someone and then he'll have his own server sitting somewhere
09:17:17 [dholmes]
I have my own server sitting in the other room. It's pretty crappy. 500mhz, 192MB RAM.
09:18:43 [Muzzz]
Oh this'll be a big thingy of a thing, on a 100/100 line
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09:21:59 [CatCat]
Muzzz: http://lolmoose.ytmnd.com/ !!
09:23:08 [tru]
CatCat: lol!
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¶‰¶/#"#$%/([§€!!!!111
09:43:09 [CatCat]
people need to give me more than a day's warning before they cancel appointments with me!!! ARG
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* warp agrees.
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* BrianG just got done hanging with Tittsworth
10:15:48 [BrianG]
http://musicbrainz.org/artist/02566f17-2d48-4b63-b8ed-55d4638c945c.html
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10:47:03 [rpedro__]
uh, what's the the filename variable in the new tagger to save the release _year_ in the filename?
10:49:36 [bplat1]
$left(%date%,4) is the appropriate taggerscript
10:50:07 [bplat1]
See http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardQt/Scripting for some examples using that.
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!seen ruaok
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I saw ruaok 1 day 12 hours 7 minutes and 5 seconds ago, quitting the server with message:
10:52:26 [MClemo]
anyone of you got a rule that if "(disc 1", "(disc 2" etc. is in the title to use albumartist/<album name without the disc part>/<album name> to put the files in?
10:52:32 [MClemo]
I'd like to have that for box sets
10:53:47 [bplat1]
I have a rule that does something albumartist/<album name without the disc part>/<disc number+name> but I can't check it right now.
10:54:50 [MClemo]
sounds good. Can you give that to me when you have access to it again?
10:56:27 [bplat1]
Sure - best drop me a mail via http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=bplatt so I don't forget ;-)
10:58:01 [MClemo]
will do. thanks!
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11:08:21 [CatCat]
Now grooving to: Dimitri Bodiansky, Nicolas Varley ~ Syberia Theme (3:06) (from Syberia) (2002)
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11:37:23 [brianfreud]
MClemo, have you tried the disc # plugin?
11:37:49 [brianfreud]
it splits off the disc # and disc subtitle to separate tags
11:39:13 [bplat1]
Essentiall, my taggerscript makes use of that
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13:23:42 [mudcrow]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?userid=362489 someone help vote down all these incorrect edits. he's entered about 100 edits trying to change the tracklisting to Living in Darkness
13:24:24 [juhae]
errr, what
13:24:55 [juhae]
or more like "why"
13:25:22 [FauxFaux]
Hee hee.
13:26:14 [juhae]
mudcrow, are all his edits bad?
13:26:19 [juhae]
ie. can i just n-bomb him
13:26:37 [mudcrow]
all the ones relating to Agent Orange are
13:27:10 [juhae]
n-bombed
13:27:27 [mudcrow]
thanks
13:27:33 [juhae]
although i must express some degree of curiosity on his actions
13:27:38 [juhae]
what on earth was he thinking about
13:27:48 [juhae]
hey, ao's on my watch list as well ;)
13:28:57 [mudcrow]
he probably has a later CD re-issue, the track order was changed on them
13:30:05 [juhae]
i thought the re-issue is already in mb
13:30:26 [bplatt_]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=498376 perhaps?
13:31:41 [mudcrow]
probably that one, but he made so many edits its hard to see what he was trying to achieve
13:31:50 [ojnkpjg]
he changed track times on one of the releases, too
13:31:55 [ojnkpjg]
might be better to reset them to ?:??
13:32:32 [bplatt_]
Looks like he's canceled the bad edits.
13:32:34 [mudcrow]
i'm waiting for all the edits to be vetoed and then Im going to go through the track times again
13:32:41 [ojnkpjg]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=498370
13:32:42 [ojnkpjg]
check that out
13:32:49 [ojnkpjg]
especially track 9
13:32:53 [ojnkpjg]
i've never seen that happen
13:33:05 [bplatt_]
That's a bug
13:33:09 [ojnkpjg]
yeah
13:33:13 [ojnkpjg]
just never seen it happen
13:33:30 [bplatt_]
There is a ticket on it - it happens when certain actions happen around renumbering and adding tracks.
13:33:36 [ojnkpjg]
oh, weird
13:33:36 [FauxFaux]
Pro.
13:33:39 [bplatt_]
I wonder if that is why he redid the edits a couple of times.
13:33:53 [ojnkpjg]
it looks like he's cancelling them all
13:34:13 [ojnkpjg]
they've all got at least 3 no votes anyway
13:34:23 [mudcrow]
good lad, at least he's paying attention
13:35:42 [bplatt_]
http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/3372 is the ticket I'm thinking of
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13:40:37 [brianfreud]
yes, there's several ways to trigger it, all involving edit all and adding or removing tracks
13:41:52 [brianfreud]
I wonder if add puid edits have a limit to how many it can handle at one time - every time I submit, I end up with 10 or so edits of like a hundred puids each
13:42:25 [ojnkpjg]
i think 100?
13:42:36 [ojnkpjg]
oh, that's what you say
13:42:39 [ojnkpjg]
er, saw
13:42:58 [brianfreud]
yeah, looks about like thathttp://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7847629 through 7847638
13:43:14 [mudcrow]
dunno, i always work on one album at a time
13:45:02 [brianfreud]
yeah, I went the other route - got everything ID's, now going through for the puids... about 2k a day
13:50:01 [mudcrow]
does it really have to list every single MB artist that contains the word David when I try to change a track artist called David. It takes ages for the page to load all 2053 of them
13:50:41 [brianfreud]
lol
13:50:56 [MClemo]
all David you need is David Hasselhoff!
13:51:05 [brianfreud]
* brianfreud runs screaming
13:55:23 [MClemo]
without him Germany would still be divided!
13:55:56 [mudcrow]
lol
13:57:25 [brianfreud]
yeah, when I spent time in France, they too seemed to have an unhealthy addiction to him
13:57:52 [MClemo]
seems to be an european thing
14:00:13 [MClemo]
http://www.last.fm/music/David+Hasselhoff lol, what a hilarious picture
14:01:16 [FauxFaux]
Puppies! :D
14:01:43 [mudcrow]
hmm similar artists: Boy George
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14:02:31 [MClemo]
too bad there aren't any charts ordered by the number of listeners of a country for an artist
14:02:34 [rtv]
related: http://www.lastfm.de/music/Janina+Frostell/+images
14:02:38 [rtv]
nice :D
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14:03:36 [ojnkpjg]
she's swimming in a bush
14:03:56 [MClemo]
lol
14:04:27 [mudcrow]
who likes j-pop?
14:04:42 [FauxFaux]
It's a trap!
14:05:10 [mudcrow]
blah. you saw through me FauxFaux
14:05:40 [mudcrow]
http://musicbrainz.org/release/5c790127-c6e3-4f7d-b191-c2074970cdda.html would someone like to have a go at fixing that
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14:05:57 [ojnkpjg]
i thought he meant the bush
14:06:54 [MClemo]
the similar artists for Hasselhoff are really weird :D
14:07:48 [MClemo]
friend of mine always plays "Du" by him very loud on the camping grounds at festivals
14:07:58 [MClemo]
and other crap
14:10:10 [ojnkpjg]
kenny g would be better
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14:13:36 [brianfreud]
similar artists always seem wierd - like Nirvana and Bob Marley recommend each other, etc
14:14:04 [MClemo]
don't know him. but if I can trust the last.fm tags "smooth jazz" isn't the right thing for metal fans either ;)
14:14:09 [FauxFaux]
Heh.
14:14:34 [ojnkpjg]
if there's a hell, kenny g is playing there
14:14:35 [ojnkpjg]
all the time
14:14:42 [MClemo]
they shouldn't call it "similar artists"
14:15:06 [MClemo]
ojnkpjg: lol, I'll definitely check him out then
14:15:08 [foolip]
where do those "similar" artists come from?
14:16:20 [MClemo]
"most people who hear x hear y", then y is a similar artist for x, I think
14:17:40 [MClemo]
I think it just goes by the number of listeners
14:17:50 [brianfreud]
I plead immunity for the Kenny G I have... I play the sax, so he's allowed :D
14:24:25 [foolip]
Kenny G is the guy with the giant hair, right?
14:26:33 [brianfreud]
imagine Fabio with a sax
14:27:01 [FauxFaux]
Stop saying sex.. er.. sax!!!
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14:28:58 [Muzzz]
Stop blowing my sax!
14:29:06 [Muzzz]
Err your sax. Your sax. Stop playing your sax Lisa.
14:29:12 [foolip]
He seems to be popular in Beijing, I see him in all the record stores... I'd never even heard of him before
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14:49:35 [CatCat]
what is kenny g?
14:50:27 [CatCat]
* CatCat reminds himself of http://ckjcwf.ytmnd.com/ and all its derivatiees
14:51:14 [Rondom]
wtf?
14:52:18 [CatCat]
YTMND++
14:52:19 [CatCat]
lol
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16:11:52 [nikki]
if something is available at amazon, is it ok to vote no on a cover art relationship?
16:14:27 [nikki]
I mean, if amazon has the cover art as well
16:16:43 [FauxFaux]
Assuming the amazon one isn't fail, I thought so, yes.
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16:20:21 [nikki]
* nikki doesn't really know anything about the cover art relationship :/
16:27:07 [nikki]
and there isn't a wiki page for it...
16:27:12 [nikki]
not that I can find anyway
16:28:56 [Kerensky97]
It seems like it was just in the last few months that we've been allowing people to use it unrestricted. Alot of people are still linking images that are copyrighted.
16:29:21 [nikki]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7819183 <- this is the one I'm talking about
16:29:25 [Kerensky97]
Or at least last month there still were bogus links, it may be solved now.
16:29:29 [nikki]
I don't really like the idea of linking to theppn's images
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16:30:10 [Kerensky97]
me neither, but I was wary about wikipedia too. Some sites just see too much change.
16:35:23 [nikki]
I think it's partly because I doubt they have permission to use the images...
16:35:41 [nikki]
and unlike wikipedia, they seem to have quite large images
16:36:10 [nikki]
(whereas wikipedia has a big box explaining why they think it's legal to use small images blah blah blah)
16:36:23 [nikki]
so it just seems dodgy to me :o
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18:01:20 [CatCat]
freso: :ooooo
18:01:54 [Freso]
CatCat: Har du fået den?
18:02:00 [CatCat]
the collectors edition thingy i had cant be played :(
18:02:06 [CatCat]
ja det har jeg!
18:02:12 [srotta_]
Hmm. There are about quite many PUIDs that are attached to both live ans studio versions of tracks :|
18:02:13 [CatCat]
TP!
18:02:35 [Freso]
CatCat: :)
18:03:19 [CatCat]
hadde ikke du pokemon yellow også? eller husket jeg feil
18:03:32 [Freso]
CatCat: Det havde jeg ikke.
18:03:48 [Freso]
CatCat: Men jeg har to blå...
18:04:01 [Freso]
Og ikke min røde med Mew. :(
18:04:11 [nikki]
* nikki rolls around
18:04:13 [CatCat]
lol jeg har også blå :)
18:04:32 [CatCat]
aww :(
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18:05:07 [CatCat]
* CatCat smiler
18:05:15 [CatCat]
du sente med endel musikk også :)
18:06:10 [CatCat]
og! lagre korted ditt hadde en pokemon colosseum fil!
18:07:26 [CatCat]
hvar det meningen?
18:07:35 [Freso]
Hæ. Det er vist nok min fætters. :p
18:07:55 [CatCat]
lol da blir han kanskje sur :D
18:07:59 [Freso]
Nej. Men gør det noget?
18:08:05 [Freso]
Nej, han vidste det godt.
18:08:20 [Freso]
Han havde lånt det og vidste det skulle sendes videre.
18:08:26 [Freso]
SÃ¥.
18:08:41 [CatCat]
nei! da har jeg kanskje noe og leke med når (hvis) jeg får tak i pkmn colosseum :)
18:08:49 [Freso]
:p
18:09:14 [CatCat]
* CatCat smiles at nikki
18:09:23 [Freso]
Og jeg håber du synes om musikken. (Og lægger dem ind på MB... ;))
18:09:25 [nikki]
hei mo
18:09:42 [CatCat]
freso: det hvar det første jeg tenkte på :o
18:09:46 [CatCat]
nikki nikki
18:09:48 [Freso]
Haha!
18:09:51 [nikki]
mo mo
18:09:53 [nikki]
cat cat
18:09:56 [Freso]
Excellent. :)
18:10:56 [CatCat]
nå får du snede en email til meg med bic number og dedærre, og vi kom på 950 kroner, husker du det? hva blev porto på
18:11:04 [CatCat]
?
18:11:13 [CatCat]
MBChatLogger: off
18:11:13 [MBChatLogger]
is not logging
18:11:34 [MBChatLogger]
is logging
18:12:31 [CatCat]
min bank er ganske kul, jeg kan betale i danske kroner :)
18:12:50 [Freso]
CatCat: :) Jeg sender detaljer til dig per e-post.
18:12:57 [CatCat]
flott!
18:13:15 [srotta_]
CatCat: Curses of the past, wasn't Norway part of Denmark anyway?-)
18:13:16 [CatCat]
* CatCat vil helst betale så fort som mulig, har nok gjeld etter mamma som det er :(
18:14:26 [CatCat]
oi da...
18:14:52 [CatCat]
det hvar ikke chatkill ment..
18:15:28 [CatCat]
nikki, you would know this, how do i make opera on mac have a british spelcheck?
18:16:53 [Freso]
Install a British dictionary?
18:17:16 [CatCat]
hvordan? jeg fant det ikke ut hvordan :(
18:17:18 [Freso]
srotta_: It was.
18:17:20 [CatCat]
på windows vet jeg det
18:17:41 [Freso]
CatCat: It isn't the same? Then I don't know. :/
18:17:49 [CatCat]
no it wasnt! everybody just imagined it!!! :D
18:19:03 [nikki]
* nikki isn't sure :/
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18:19:21 [nikki]
apparently it uses the system one and mine's already british english
18:19:59 [CatCat]
my my system is (supposedly) norwegian!
18:20:13 [CatCat]
exept theres alot of bogus english put in places
18:21:00 [Freso]
I have my OS X set to Danish... and sometimes it shows texts in Swedish and Norwegian instead. But I think I fixed it.
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18:22:24 [CatCat]
o_O
18:26:22 [nikki]
ah...
18:27:28 [nikki]
I managed to change the language opera uses by opening textedit, right clicking, choosing spelling > spelling..., changing it to another language, closing textedit, then restarting opera
18:28:13 [CatCat]
jasså
18:28:45 [CatCat]
but its not like windows where you can shift it in the dialogue?.. typical, opera on mac does have its shortcomings..
18:29:00 [nikki]
no, it's weird like that
18:29:03 [CatCat]
men nå må jeg gå.. spille!!
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18:29:21 [nikki]
I don't know why it can't just be like all the other programs where you can open the dialog box like in textedit
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* nikki wishes she could combine two dictionaries in osx
18:41:25 [nikki]
there's "multilingual", which is pretty useless because you can type all sorts of crap and half the time it's a word in one of the languages
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MClemo: ping
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18:57:20 [CatCat]
i just need norwegian and proper english..
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* CatCat afks
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19:05:47 [MClemo]
bplatt: got your mail. thanks!
19:06:03 [bplatt]
Great - hope that's useful.
19:07:06 [MClemo]
yeah, it is :)
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19:08:04 [MClemo]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BrianFreud/CrazyPicardQTStrings really looks crazy
19:12:19 [bplatt]
The code fragment I mailed MClemo might be generally useful to others - it's a file naming format for grouping boxsets together, and putting the individual discs in subdirectories.
19:12:28 [bplatt]
Is it acceptable to add it to http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardQt/Scripting ?
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Muzzz: Socalites are pining for youuu.
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19:26:34 [Freso]
CatCat: Happy gaming. :)
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FauxFaux: blame join throttling
19:49:10 [nikki]
* nikki kicks the stupid last.fm program for osx
19:55:41 [brianfreud]
MClemo: lol... one of these days I'm going to rewrite it to check for more things, make it even longer :)
19:56:01 [nikki]
how the hell am I supposed to run it without an icon without having to resort to starting it from the command line? >_<
19:56:41 [Freso]
nikki: Making an icon/a shortcut for/to it?
19:56:55 [nikki]
I don't know how to do that
19:57:42 [MClemo]
brianfreud: some day it won't fit your screen
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bplatt: got it working now :)
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19:58:20 [nikki]
see, there is a program I can run, but that makes the icon appear
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20:05:51 [brianfreud]
MClemo: lol, I already use a spreadsheet to keep it straight
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20:08:32 [bplatt]
MClemo: did it work as-is, or did you need to tweak it?
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20:15:11 [MClemo]
bplatt: I wanted to have the album tag as it was before so I wrote a script to do that as you suggested
20:15:38 [MClemo]
unfortunately (in this case) that is run before the renaming and I had to adjust the renaming part a little to strip it again lol
20:16:02 [bplatt]
Aha, so your tags are like "Album Title (disc number: disc title)", but the directories are like "Album Title/disc number-disc title/"?
20:16:18 [MClemo]
yes
20:16:19 [bplatt]
Yeah - that was what I was thinking you'd have to do.
20:17:09 [bplatt]
Glad to hear you figured it out. Taggerscript is really useful.
20:17:11 [MClemo]
have to test it more thorough and maybe include the bonus disc plugin
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* nikki prods CatCat
20:35:27 [Freso]
nikki: Where can it be found?
20:35:39 [Freso]
Is it somewhere as an executable?
20:35:48 [Freso]
As in, on your system. :)
20:36:03 [nikki]
yes
20:36:29 [Freso]
Right click on it.
20:36:31 [Freso]
Or, eh.
20:36:36 [Freso]
Ctrl+Click
20:37:05 [Freso]
And then "Create (link?)".
20:37:12 [nikki]
but... why would I do that?
20:37:20 [nikki]
I don't want to run that, it makes an icon
20:37:27 [Freso]
Yes.
20:37:45 [Freso]
And you can move that icon into whereever you want to launch it.
20:37:51 [nikki]
nooo
20:37:55 [nikki]
it makes an icon in the dock
20:37:57 [Freso]
No?
20:38:02 [Freso]
?
20:38:03 [nikki]
that's why I have to start it from the command line
20:38:17 [nikki]
* nikki totally fails at osx :/
20:39:48 [Freso]
Well, doing the other thing will allow you to launch it from the desktop (available at click on F11 here). Which, I realise, is not as good as from the dock, but better than going through the command line (for you).
20:40:48 [nikki]
but if I click on the program icon, it makes the icon appear in the dock...
20:40:55 [nikki]
I don't see how making a link to it will change it :/
20:41:47 [Freso]
Ah. So. You don't want the program to appear in the dock... ?
20:41:50 [Freso]
* Freso is lost
20:42:00 [nikki]
yeah!
20:42:24 [nikki]
it's the last.fm thingy, I just want to it to sit in the background and submit songs, I don't want a big red icon in the dock
20:42:25 [Freso]
Well. All running applications are in the dock...
20:42:44 [nikki]
no...
20:42:52 [nikki]
I have a different clock running which isn't in the dock!
20:42:57 [Freso]
I do have a "Skjul" (hide) right-click option though.
20:43:20 [nikki]
and the options in the last.fm thing have a "don't show dock icon" but it doesn't work unless I don't click the program icon
20:43:29 [nikki]
that just hides windows, not the icon :/
20:43:56 [Freso]
That sounds like the last.fm app is b0rked then.
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20:45:27 [symphonick]
My brain hurts! http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7779382 (warning: CSG content)
20:50:49 [FauxFaux]
Apparently "My brain hurts!" isn't a valid url. :(
20:52:02 [symphonick]
No? Works for me (xchat)?
20:52:07 [symphonick]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7779382
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21:04:06 [brianfreud]
symphonick: I think I've been doing too much CSG lately... that parsed fine for me :P All, that is, except for the parenthetical instrumentation, which looks kind of odd
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21:08:16 [srotta_]
Good thing that I didn't happen to see that when it was open.
21:08:18 [srotta_]
8)
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21:08:37 [symphonick]
brianfreud, I thought the instrumentation looked odd too (& I think there should be hyphens, not slashes)
21:09:32 [symphonick]
But "foo / bar" is an OK "shortcut"? (Instead of "foo" / "bar")
21:11:25 [brianfreud]
I wondered about that too, but I don't know the work to know if he's dealing with movements or inter-movement parts
21:12:24 [drsaunde]
"Your search query was deemed invalid by our ruthless search server" ... i've never seen that message before
21:12:47 [brianfreud]
drsaunde, you know anything about parodies?
21:13:30 [brianfreud]
would the composer of the original work being parodied still get composition credit?
21:15:20 [drsaunde]
depends if they have been given credit or not
21:15:26 [drsaunde]
although I think they would have to
21:15:47 [brianfreud]
working on this release: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Broadway_2001:_A_Spoof_Odyssey
21:16:03 [brianfreud]
I would tend to think the music is the music, even if the words have been changed...
21:16:40 [srotta]
Of course it is.
21:16:58 [drsaunde]
indeed
21:17:12 [drsaunde]
in that release all the original composers are credited here: http://wc03.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE4781FD349AD7120C0802C45DCBA77F729D64CEE831F29461BDFBA3C54950879B646FDA695FDFB74AB7BAFE02CA45A089FCEE457FAD667352DED93&sql=10:a9ftxqu0ldke
21:17:12 [srotta]
If the composition stays the same, then the credits go to the.. well, composer.
21:17:16 [srotta]
8)
21:17:29 [brianfreud]
:)
21:17:31 [drsaunde]
cole porter...cahn & styne etc
21:17:39 [brianfreud]
I do with we had a "foo is a parody of bar" AR
21:18:15 [srotta]
Of course it's possible to compose a parody version, then there should probably be shared credit.
21:18:47 [brianfreud]
agreed, though that'd normally fall under an arranger credit in the liner, unless some serious recomposition went on
21:19:28 [brianfreud]
or at least, I'd tend to think so - otherwise the "new" composer would be opened up to misappropiation of credits suits...
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21:20:21 [drsaunde]
yeah...in jazz it falls under arranger
21:20:25 [symphonick]
brianfreud, I'm pretty sure it's inter-mvt, Vivaldi's "program-music" notes
21:20:51 [brianfreud]
symphonick then it's probably correct as is
21:21:27 [brianfreud]
ok, so, given that we don't have a parody AR, would you consider a parody to be similar enough to be "another version of"?
21:21:40 [srotta]
Well, if it's derivative work, then the credit is typically shared. Depends on form of art and othe things on how the "sharing" is noted.
21:22:01 [symphonick]
brianfreud, not "note1" - "note2" etc?
21:22:18 [brianfreud]
symphonick: I'd think that would indicate separate movements, not intermovements
21:23:43 [symphonick]
but we use hyphens between different tempi? Or my logic is flawed?
21:24:36 [brianfreud]
hmmm, in CSG style, yeah, but in opera style, isn't it / separated?
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21:25:19 [brianfreud]
srotta / drsaunde: would you consider a parody to be a cover of, a later release of, or something we simply can't AR?
21:25:25 [srotta]
Opera style? :O
21:25:42 [ojnkpjg]
we should just have a 'is a parody of' AR
21:25:51 [ojnkpjg]
cause it's not a cover or a later release
21:25:56 [srotta]
brianfreud: It's either cover or annotation.
21:26:39 [brianfreud]
yeah, that's my thinking - there really is no generic existing relationship that could well describe a parody... cover or earliest release of both seem a rather large stretch to still be accurate
21:27:42 [srotta]
Cover is actually pretty close to it - if we think about translated cover versions, they may be completely different from the original, lyric-wise.
21:27:49 [brianfreud]
I think I'll go with SubOptimal in the annotation for the moment; using either of the other two ARs just seems too funky
21:27:56 [symphonick]
brianfreud, thought I've seen it like that in opera style. Vivaldi's "4 seasons" are however violin concertos...
21:28:02 [srotta]
It's just that we attach a separate meaning into it, when it's labeled as "parody".
21:28:21 [brianfreud]
symphonick: honestly, not sure - I'd have to know more about the work to really figure it out
21:28:57 [srotta]
On the other hand, I just read about a Finnish hit song that was actually written as a parody.
21:28:59 [brianfreud]
srotta: yeah, but even a translated text is still the intended text... Is Wierd Al's Smells Like Nirvana really a cover of Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit, in anyone's definition of a cover?
21:29:29 [srotta]
Not a parody of any specific piece, but a parody of the style of music. And it was voted as one of the best examples of that style a year ago. :D
21:29:50 [brianfreud]
:)
21:30:10 [brianfreud]
* brianfreud is starting to be more convinced that we do need a new AR
21:30:23 [srotta]
brianfreud: It's not, because it's intended as a parody.
21:30:40 [HairMetalAddict]
I believe there was agreement for parody / pastiche AR's a long while back, but nothing came of it.
21:30:43 [brianfreud]
exactly - so if a cover of AR were set between the two, it'd be wrong.
21:30:55 [srotta]
brianfreud: But if it was in Finnish and the "translator" was Pentti Saarikoski, nobody would say another word about it being a parody.
21:30:56 [HairMetalAddict]
"Cover" should not be used for Weird Al's tracks, though.
21:30:58 [brianfreud]
* brianfreud googles
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21:31:53 [srotta]
So we're talking about the intention of the re-writer. Is bad parody still a parody? What if the parody has better lyrics than the original?
21:32:32 [HairMetalAddict]
It's still a parody no matter what descriptive terms you add to the word "parody" ;-)
21:33:03 [Kerensky97]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_version
21:33:05 [srotta]
I'm not saying parody equals cover, but it could well be thought as a sub-category.
21:33:19 [Kerensky97]
Interesting ideas and variations of covers.
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21:33:34 [brianfreud]
looks like they got bogged down in "parody cover" attribute vs "cover" AR, and "satire" vs "cover" : http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2006-April/thread.html#2074
21:33:37 [Kerensky97]
""Popcorn", a song which was originally completely instrumental, has had lyrics added in at least six different languages in various covers."
21:35:16 [brianfreud]
HairMetalAddict: looks like you yourself actually closed out the RFV 20 months ago: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2006-April/002341.html and http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2006-April/002352.html
21:37:03 [HairMetalAddict]
eh, Hades, I don't remember yesterday much less last year. ;-)
21:37:36 [brianfreud]
Seems there was some dissent about calling it "is a parody of" vs "is a parody/satire of", but there never was a veto
21:37:59 [brianfreud]
Though, given the definition of parody being partially that a parody is a satire, I think it's a rather meaningless distinction :P
21:38:44 [HairMetalAddict]
mmm, nitpicky boneheads. ;-)
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21:39:09 [brianfreud]
lol, so I guess I'll put in a request that the AR actually be created... better late than never :D
21:40:27 [HairMetalAddict]
No complaints here. Just to make sure it goes through and everyone's whines are met: "is a parody/satire/spoof/joke/something to laugh at/holy crap that's not the original lyrics/craptastic version of"
21:41:29 [brianfreud]
lol
21:42:11 [brianfreud]
what do you think, "is parodied by" and "is a parody of"?
21:43:36 [drsaunde]
cool...you should also add the usual stuff about pointing to the original release
21:43:38 [HairMetalAddict]
The latter sounds better. And I don't actually care if the satire part gets added.
21:44:32 [brianfreud]
drsaunde, yeah, we'll have to add that to the wiki when the AR is added
21:44:52 [brianfreud]
HairMetalAddict: well, just thinking on the reverse end's text - is "parodied" the right way to spell that word?
21:45:09 [HairMetalAddict]
yup
21:45:22 [brianfreud]
done: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/3424
21:46:19 [brianfreud]
I'll just move on to other releases til I can actually AR that series correctly :)
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* HairMetalAddict changes the priority on it from "normal" to "there's nothin' frikkin' normal about this!"
21:49:38 [HairMetalAddict]
Hah, a Priority parody. ;-)
21:50:03 [brianfreud]
lol
21:50:21 [brianfreud]
* brianfreud wonders how many RFVs close out, then never happen
21:50:42 [brianfreud]
hmmm, wonder if the OGLA AR still exists...
21:51:03 [Shepard]
we never had one, I thought
21:51:30 [brianfreud]
yep, track-url... my RFV to kill it passed a month ago
21:51:51 [brianfreud]
since, well, the site no longer exists :D
21:52:33 [brianfreud]
yup, still an active AR
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21:56:20 [Shepard]
bug an AR editor about it then
21:56:29 [Shepard]
* Shepard sees no reason to keep it
21:56:45 [brianfreud]
actually, I know mo edits the instrument tree, but I have no clue who any of the other AR editors are
21:56:58 [Shepard]
he is one
21:57:09 [Shepard]
the instrument tree is part of the AR system
21:57:14 [brianfreud]
yeah, but I think mo swore only to touch the instrument tree, and nothing else
21:57:25 [Shepard]
an AR editor can edit the relationships and their attributes
21:57:51 [brianfreud]
yeah, just don't know who the other, non-instrument tree-only AR editors are :P
21:58:42 [Shepard]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/RelationshipEditor not sure how up-to-date that list is
21:58:46 [brianfreud]
hmmm, I can pull a list of autoeditors, wonder if that works for other editor types
21:58:49 [Shepard]
rob will help you
22:02:17 [brianfreud]
thanks for the link - looks like dupuy, luks, and ru are the only other three active AR editors. (Is DonRedman still active?)
22:03:01 [Shepard]
haven't heard from him in a long time
22:04:21 [brianfreud]
nor I... looks like he's done 5 or 6 edits in the past few months, but not a ton of activity
22:05:56 [brianfreud]
hmmm, ok, what is up with this disambiguation comment? http://musicbrainz.org/label/91157c65-f520-4b67-893b-e1270287fa66.html
22:08:59 [symphonick]
Odd.
22:10:33 [symphonick]
Speaking of odd, this can't be an artist? http://musicbrainz.org/artist/7209568c-0c65-4eb7-88dc-25215ca6c618.html?short=0&compact=0&mbt=0
22:11:07 [symphonick]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Phonogramm-Archiv
22:12:03 [brianfreud]
looks like one of the old label as artist "I don't know so I'll throw it in under the label" artists
22:15:34 [symphonick]
Yeah, I'm kind of lost too :-) Shold that release be moved to VA with "unknown" as track artist?
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BTW I'd like a way to attribute tracks to "Anonymous 14th century" or even "14th cent. Poland" or whatever.
22:17:50 [brianfreud]
looks like we might collectively be able to find enough info to fix it: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Music%21+100+Recordings+Berlin+Phonogramm-Archiv&btnG=Google+Search
22:19:36 [symphonick]
"Aufnahmen aus Asien, Australien und Ozeanien, Afrika, Amerika und Europa"
22:21:17 [brianfreud]
here's a full track list: http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail.asp?sku=589370&track=1
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22:22:57 [symphonick]
Thanks, found AZ too: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Music-Berlin-Phonogramm-Archiv-1900-2000/dp/B00004YUCI
22:26:41 [brianfreud]
ah, here we go: http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=4010228170122
22:26:58 [brianfreud]
composer or performer info, not really sure which
22:30:51 [symphonick]
Not very likely with composers in "folk" music?
22:31:35 [brianfreud]
well, most of the ones I've looked up so far are various folk traditional music
22:32:18 [brianfreud]
I'm thinking [traditional] may end up with most, if not all of these tracks
22:33:14 [symphonick]
Sounds sensible.
22:33:45 [brianfreud]
yeah, here's the bare bones info from the liner, in answers.com format: http://www.answers.com/topic/music-berlin-phonogramm-archive-1900-2000-box-set
22:34:51 [brianfreud]
I set the event and fixed up some of the other stuff - I'll stay off the tracks/artist, so we don't end up crossing edits :)
22:36:16 [symphonick]
OK, I'll have a look. I'll just go for [traditional] except for "Ganga Kura ensemble" etc?
22:37:18 [brianfreud]
disc 1 was actually in the db too, looks like zout found some info: http://musicbrainz.org/release/4c4fa0e1-0593-43e8-98e7-c1a88976a4a3.html
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22:40:30 [symphonick]
Hmm, he's using unknown or anonymous.
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22:41:51 [brianfreud]
seems he's using performer, not composer - though I think traditional ought to be used, not unknown there
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22:42:45 [brianfreud]
looks like they were originally [anonymous] though: "I chose to use "anonymous" as opposed to unknown because these indigenous people were 'known', but were shy and humble, and did not want to be remembered."
22:44:47 [symphonick]
Hmm, I see.
22:45:36 [symphonick]
Moving to VA now.
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22:47:13 [brianfreud]
lol, disc 1 even ended up mentioned in the blog: http://blog.musicbrainz.org/archives/2006/02/ (2006-2-14 entry)
22:47:13 [nikki]
* nikki prods CatCat
22:48:12 [nikki]
CatCat: I don't suppose you know where you got the info for http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=3035280 from, do you?
22:48:33 [nikki]
was that one where you had the cd?
22:48:54 [nikki]
* nikki seems to recall you having the cd from the library for something like that
22:50:01 [Kerensky97]
* Kerensky97 reminds himself to stop by the library and rent him some CDs
22:50:30 [symphonick]
brianfreud, lol we could have a Hall of Fame for edits :-)
22:50:42 [FauxFaux]
s/Fame/Fail/
22:51:27 [brianfreud]
lol
22:51:48 [brianfreud]
hmm, ok, so I can add a toc and times to disc 1, anyone object to my importing it from freedb, only to merge it over to the existing disc 1?
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you go
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23:17:17 [brianfreud]
Could I get a y-bomb on this please? :) http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7850539
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23:19:45 [brianfreud]
thanks Kerensky97, aCiD2, symphonick
23:20:03 [brianfreud]
pain in the rear just to get a toc from freedb on to that release :P
23:20:52 [brianfreud]
now to wait for modbot to actually do the merge :P
23:21:57 [aCiD2]
lol, np :)
23:22:15 [symphonick]
brianfreud, if you've got nothing to do... this is empty now ;-) http://musicbrainz.org/artist/7209568c-0c65-4eb7-88dc-25215ca6c618.html?short=0&compact=0&mbt=0
23:22:18 [aCiD2]
ffs, I'm working on some web project (paid work yay) and the leading person says "Just got these back from the designer" and thought "ooo, html & css, now I can apply my code to a layout"
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23:22:31 [aCiD2]
turns out he's just cut the mock images up and put them in html... absolutley useless
23:22:39 [brianfreud]
lol
23:22:54 [aCiD2]
(sorry I haven't had much time to hack recently :( )
23:22:59 [brianfreud]
np :)
23:23:16 [brianfreud]
symphonick: it'll go away when modbot does the empty artist cleanup in 6 hours or so
23:24:28 [brianfreud]
this makes me think though, it'd be nice if there was some way to manually import a freedb toc in for an existing release
23:24:42 [brianfreud]
(without the workaround process to do it)
23:26:43 [symphonick]
Ah. And yes, why not?
23:27:33 [symphonick]
South Vietnamese "Music of the Talented" - is that a good artist name?
23:28:08 [brianfreud]
That's what I saw too... not sure if it's a group or just descriptive
23:29:19 [symphonick]
...the German Vietnamese co-operation: Complete audio recordings of the South Vietnamese “Music of the Talented” in Ho Chi Minh City...
23:29:26 [symphonick]
Hmm.
23:29:54 [brianfreud]
perhaps then just "Music of the Talented" with a disambiguation comment "South Vietnamese group"?
23:30:11 [symphonick]
I'll go for that.
23:30:28 [brianfreud]
just to check, you know the trick to forcing a disambiguation comment, right?
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23:32:33 [symphonick]
Eh, no, I was just going to ask...
23:32:37 [brianfreud]
lol
23:32:56 [brianfreud]
try to create an artist or label using a name you know already exists.
23:33:12 [symphonick]
"The Beatles"?
23:33:23 [brianfreud]
whatever - I normally use Nirvana :P
23:33:32 [symphonick]
:-)
23:33:35 [drsaunde]
* drsaunde always uses U2 as its short
23:33:36 [brianfreud]
When the system prompts the "are you sure" screen, add the disambiguation comment, then change the label/artist name to the one you want
23:33:54 [symphonick]
Got it.
23:34:04 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux stabs explorer in the face once more.
23:34:45 [FauxFaux]
Also, picardqt's "remove tags" thing needs to remove more types of tags. :)
23:35:05 [brianfreud]
more? It strips every single tag already... what's left to strip?
23:35:46 [FauxFaux]
It doesn't, it leaves /something/ foobar appears to be able to pick up.
23:35:53 [brianfreud]
wierd
23:35:54 [FauxFaux]
To SCIENCE!
23:36:14 [FauxFaux]
ie. one I fixed a while ago: http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/foobarremedy.png
23:37:31 [Kerensky97]
Perhaps it's only cleaning ID3v2 and leaving APE or ID3v1 or something.
23:37:47 [brianfreud]
FauxFaux, you have the "strip ape tags" option on?
23:38:12 [FauxFaux]
I wouldn't be suprised if I have multiple layers of id3vX in there, definitely not APE.
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23:54:48 [symphonick]
brianfreud, got to track 10, nattanatta now :-) I'll be back.
23:55:30 [brianfreud]
natta :)
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