IRC log of musicbrainz on 2008-01-03

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00:00:23 [nikki]
* nikki wonders if this is mb-irc the musical
00:04:11 [FauxFaux]
Doremifa
00:04:17 [mudcrow]
* mudcrow now plats Now I'm Feeling Zo-MB-iefied by Alien Sex Fiend
00:04:27 [mudcrow]
sorry i just couldnt resist
00:07:49 [ruaok]
aCiD2: first post in mb-devel up
00:08:02 [aCiD2]
Cool, will take a look
00:12:05 [luks_]
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00:14:05 [aCiD2]
Shall I reply here, or would you prefer in the thread?
00:14:35 [aCiD2]
I am just curious which approach you want to take - the system that matthias proposed seems most systematic, and fastest to get feedback
00:16:27 [ruaok]
thread please.
00:16:43 [ruaok]
#4 with the staged rollout and parallel codebases sounds quite good to me.
00:17:03 [aCiD2]
Ok
00:17:11 [Kerensky97_work]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ViK2n1oog :)
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00:38:15 [aCiD2]
Well, I don't really have anything to add from both of those replies, other than I agree with them :)
00:38:38 [aCiD2]
So I'll leave it for the more experienced developers to discuss
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00:46:26 [brianfreud]
ruaok: I will say the one big benefit I see of cherrypy and its ilk is that it's easier, so even people like me can sorta figure out how to code and make it work (unlike php+perl)
00:46:38 [ruaok]
agreed!
00:46:55 [ruaok]
that is one thing that makes me really excited by all this: more people can play.
00:47:01 [aCiD2]
Without a doubt imo, the biggest impact is gonna be separating view from logic
00:47:11 [aCiD2]
that opens up oportunities a tonne :)
00:47:13 [ruaok]
that too.
00:47:37 [ruaok]
I just didn't have enough web experience when I started this mess in '98.
00:47:54 [brianfreud]
hell, it works, that's what counts.
00:47:55 [aCiD2]
I think even if you did something like this would still happen, it's pretty natural :)
00:48:02 [aCiD2]
like you said - the goals have changed so much
00:48:20 [ruaok]
and, if I had tried to make it do everything, MB wouldn't exist today.
00:48:29 [aCiD2]
:o the horror
00:48:30 [ruaok]
I very much had a "lets see if this works" attitude.
00:48:45 [ruaok]
get something working that people can tell me stinks
00:48:58 [ruaok]
you can't smell poo in a vacuum. :)
00:49:02 [brianfreud]
yup - plus, just years of accumulated code, it's becoming more and more difficult, I think, for any new features to be done, just because of the implimentation issues.
00:49:04 [aCiD2]
lol, that's a new one :)
00:49:08 [ruaok]
wow. that was deep. :-)
00:49:34 [brianfreud]
if one coder codes in the forest, and noone has a computer to compile the code, does the code exist? :D
00:49:35 [ruaok]
and NGS is daunting without considering the existing codebase.
00:49:45 [ruaok]
lol
00:56:25 [aCiD2]
hmm, this ubuntu installation is taking years to boot up in parallels.. bah
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01:19:11 [brianfreud]
lol: http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html
01:30:20 [xlotlu]
brianfreud: what you doing reading RoR rants? :)
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01:59:38 [ruaok]
wow. nice rant.
01:59:50 [ruaok]
but methinks that someone who writes filled with so much hate isn't a saint either.
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02:50:03 [xlotlu]
whatta relaxing hate rant :)
02:52:11 [FauxFaux]
Heh, yes, that was entertaining.
02:52:23 [FauxFaux]
Especially the 4 minute bit.
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05:13:01 [Jugdish]
fauxfaux: ping
05:13:33 [FauxFaux]
Jugdish: Pong, something quick?
05:14:41 [xlotlu]
omg the snpw
05:14:44 [xlotlu]
snow even
05:16:14 [FauxFaux]
Jugdish: I was just going to bed, it's far too cold to stand around, sorry. Leave it in the scrollback, I'll read when I wake up at some ungodly time tomorrow. :)
05:16:24 [Jugdish]
k
05:16:33 [FauxFaux]
Unless it's quick?
05:16:39 [Jugdish]
just curious if you still have MB reports on a server somewhere
05:16:54 [FauxFaux]
http://faux.no-ip.biz/mbreports should still be working.
05:16:58 [Jugdish]
cool
05:17:23 [Jugdish]
and...when you get the chance, was hoping you could add a report for all cover art URLs with http://web.archive.org/web/*
05:17:26 [Jugdish]
;)
05:17:46 [BrianG]
are you planning on removing them all?
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05:18:01 [FauxFaux]
Yeah, archive.org is on the aproved list for http://faux.no-ip.biz/mbreports/badurltypes2.php
05:18:07 [FauxFaux]
Anyway, *gone*
05:28:17 [Jugdish]
well, as i understand it all http://web.archive.org/web/* URLs are currently dead and need to be changed to http://crawls.archive.org/katrina/*
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06:27:17 [BrianG]
weird
06:27:27 [BrianG]
i just added a web.archive.org URL
06:27:38 [BrianG]
earlier tonight and it worked fine
06:29:07 [BrianG]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=65649
06:36:16 [Jugdish]
hmm, that is weird
06:37:38 [juhae]
seems to work
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* ruaok pokes his head in
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08:50:14 [BrianG]
that's illegal in 35 states
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09:06:14 [pae]
hello
09:06:45 [pae]
is there a setup.py uninstall comand, for removing a previous picard version before installing a new one?
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10:14:58 [Zharf]
did you actually try that setup.py uninstall?
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10:25:01 [creature]
Quick question. How do I add a discid to a release?
10:28:11 [creature]
I have looked at http://musicbrainz.org/doc/HowToAddDiscIDs but it doesn't take me to that TOC page, it takes me to http://musicbrainz.org/bare/cdlookup.html?id=HtWS0NSgPrWMxuESGVuZntdN8Q0- instead.
10:28:55 [MClemo]
what version of picard are you using?
10:30:41 [creature]
0.9.0 final.
10:31:09 [MClemo]
did you press "lookup manually"?
10:31:13 [creature]
I did.
10:31:59 [MClemo]
pressing that brings me to an url like http://musicbrainz.org/bare/cdlookup.html?id=vcJhMDBrFcISPcrQtEoPWU5kaGs-&tracks=12&toc=1+12+206582+150+18015+35605+49880+66435+81955+102260+120510+134970+148887+165250+187030&tport=8000
10:32:15 [creature]
I have a theory, but you'll have to wait a couple of ticks for me to test it.
10:32:36 [xlotlu]
cpu ticks?
10:33:27 [xlotlu]
he's missing the part with tracks and toc
10:35:46 [creature]
Well, I thought it could be because I had GRIP open. But it turns out that even after quitting GRIP and restarting Picard, it doesn't handle it.
10:35:53 [creature]
Hmm, I have another theory.
10:36:53 [creature]
Got it. The problem was a lack of quotes in my BROWSER setting, so the first & acted as a kind of escape character.
10:41:03 [xlotlu]
or as a kind of send the process in background and run next command
10:41:22 [creature]
Exactly.
10:41:54 [creature]
Anyway, I must go. Thanks for the help.
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11:33:41 [enjayhch]
hello
11:33:50 [enjayhch]
is anyone doing anything about this URL additon?
11:33:52 [enjayhch]
http://musicbrainz.ips.radio.bbc.co.uk/artist/89ad4ac3-39f7-470e-963a-56509c546377.html
11:34:11 [enjayhch]
erm
11:34:17 [enjayhch]
http://musicbrainz.org/artist/89ad4ac3-39f7-470e-963a-56509c546377.html
11:34:46 [enjayhch]
"music can be purchased for downloaded at http://www.nl.bol.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP...."
11:34:58 [enjayhch]
I can't work out who did that edit...
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11:44:36 [mudcrow]
enjayhch: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8138895
11:46:32 [MClemo]
how did you find it?
11:47:28 [HairMetalAddict]
combination of tarot cards, tea leaf reading, and a ouija board
11:47:29 [mudcrow]
advanced edit search, edit type =add relatonship. artist = various artists.
11:47:38 [MClemo]
40 pages?
11:47:49 [MClemo]
I was going through them too
11:48:01 [MClemo]
came only to page 20 before you posted this
11:48:19 [mudcrow]
15 pages and its was page 14. start from the latest edit and work back
11:49:04 [enjayhch]
I found it while diagnosing a problem with Various Artists
11:50:45 [enjayhch]
mudcrow: thanks :)
12:08:10 [enjayhch]
Just submitted a bug report:
12:08:11 [enjayhch]
http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/3493
12:08:16 [enjayhch]
is this a known problem?
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13:11:15 [CatCat]
Various Artists shouldn't have ar's attached. the wikipedia page is o-k per-say. but else NOT
13:44:11 [enjayhch]
certainly
13:49:52 [nikki_]
* nikki_ wonders what white label is...
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13:55:01 [mudcrow]
white label is usally a promo that doesnt have a printed label, hence white label
13:57:04 [mudcrow]
also test pressings tend to be white labels. and some bootleg vinyls are white label. And DIY releases too, as its cheaper to stick white labels on the vinyl and then hand print/write on it
14:24:21 [nikki]
achso... never seen one of those I guess
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hi
16:18:44 [FauxFaux]
Muzzz: I was in a newsagents today, and there were loads of hunting magazines on the shelf, and right in the middle, there was PONY WORLD. :'(
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FauxFaux :D!
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sigh.
19:05:58 [ruaok]
"The one working for me is the unfortunately slightly outdated iEatBrainz!. Since it’s freeware, you probably shouldn’t complain too much. Using fingerprinting, it will try to guess your tracks’ tags. It’s interface is clearly more intuitive than that of MusicBrainz’ own Picard and it works nicely along iTunes."
19:06:06 [ruaok]
from http://tapestry.xeophin.net/threads/2008/01/03/smart-playlists-1/
19:13:02 [Muz_]
"last.fm bases some of its data on MusicBrainz – and some of last.fm’s programmers are top contributing editors on MusicBrainz. ?"
19:13:06 [brianfreud]
* brianfreud finds it ironic that he's liking TRM over PUIDs in a "Get Your Damn Tags Right" section
19:13:07 [Muz_]
That made me chuckle
19:14:07 [Muz_]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=russ top contributing, yeah, I am by no means a top contributor either :P
19:14:44 [brianfreud]
hmmm
19:15:24 [brianfreud]
You know what would be cool? Being able to set yourself part of a group, so we could see all the editors in group last.fm, or BBC, or "Classical editors", or "Jazz editors", or whatever
19:15:54 [brianfreud]
editor self-tagging :P
19:16:28 [LotR]
but then Muz_ would insist on there being a moose-lovers tag
19:16:41 [brianfreud]
and a PONIES! tag
19:16:43 [Muz_]
Needs moar moose.
19:16:45 [Muz_]
MOAR
19:16:59 [brianfreud]
* brianfreud tags himself "microwave"
19:17:53 [FauxFaux]
Rofl. :p
19:22:41 [warp]
* warp writes a script to propage irc /away messages to his musicbrainz tag.
19:22:49 [warp]
propagate
19:23:44 [warp]
(talking about /away.. i'm not here. woosh).
19:29:11 [brianfreud]
hmmm, impressive, Guess Language just actually got Romanian correctly
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19:34:16 [nikki]
romanian isn't hard to guess, it has pretty unique accents :P
19:35:05 [brianfreud]
no accents in this text though, which was partially why it surprised me
19:35:10 [nikki]
ahh
19:35:13 [brianfreud]
http://musicbrainz.org/album/53d2d458-11b5-4bfc-b38f-a404f55a7542.html?tport=8000
19:35:50 [nikki]
I find it amusing that he thinks ieatbrainz is intuitive, I found it hard to understand...
19:36:39 [nikki]
ah. I guess it's the vowel combinations then
19:37:05 [brianfreud]
yeah, I guess Sfirsit and Titlurile are a bit distinctive
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19:39:16 [nikki]
Companiei <- iei is pretty uncommon too
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* nikki tries to remember that word that ends in iii
19:39:58 [nikki]
copiii I think
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19:50:07 [brianfreud]
don't seem to be any english words ending in iii, very few even with ii - http://www.onelook.com/?w=*iii&scwo=1&sswo=1
19:51:33 [Muz_]
Aquarii!
19:51:55 [Muz_]
That's the only EN word ending in ii that comes to mind quickly
19:52:01 [brianfreud]
Hawaii
19:52:14 [Muz_]
Ah yes, most cromulent
19:52:34 [LotR]
virii ?
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19:53:03 [Muz_]
Quickly was the operative word
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19:57:21 [symphonick]
brianfreud, can you (or anyone whatever-French) have a quick look at http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8076514
20:01:13 [brianfreud]
I'm not a French caps expert, but they could use a little help... panda's perhaps your best on this, though he hates CSG
20:03:30 [brianfreud]
hmmm, just found it interesting that the mbid for this disc 2 actually has cd2 at the end of it :) http://musicbrainz.org/release/ad151ee3-2470-499f-be19-a5e3050f3cd2.html
20:03:48 [symphonick]
:)
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brb
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20:05:19 [symphonick]
I'll just add a link to CapStandFrench then.
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21:14:15 [nikki]
brianfreud: it's a romanian one :)
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* CatCat is tempted to flame this "Julie Is Her Name" character
23:57:34 [CatCat]
bad grammar also
23:57:50 [CatCat]
anyho. natta all
23:57:52 [CatCat]
:D
23:59:20 [Muz_]
motta Na