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TIMESTAMPS

IRC log of musicbrainz on 2006-01-31

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00:00:49 [ruaok]

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00:00:57 [ruaok]

grunt!

00:01:26 [Muz]

unf! (?)

00:06:34 [SenRepus]

PAC

00:06:37 [SenRepus]

pac

00:06:54 [SenRepus]

chooie

00:06:56 [SenRepus]

unf

00:07:12 [SenRepus]

unf unf unf

00:08:37 [ruaok]

unf unf unf unf unf-unf-unf-unf unf unf unf unf

00:08:38 [SenRepus]

can anyone give this guy a response that wont just turn him off of mb? http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4167618

00:08:43 [ruaok]

* ruaok rocks to a techo beat

00:09:16 [Shepard]

I'm not the right one for this kind of response

00:09:25 [Shepard]

more the opposite :>

00:10:53 [Muz]

* Muz can only act likes a complete ass to people and he knows he lacks people skills a lot

00:11:14 [Shepard]

heh thanks for the OK donredman

00:11:15 [SenRepus]

indeed

00:15:56 [donredman]

Shepard: I figured it is better to give people an ok quickly than to let all the energy be wasted if lengthy debates.

00:16:09 [donredman]

We can still debate _if_ someone complains

00:20:18 [Jetpacked]

maybe he should use "con" or "canta" instead of just "c" depending on which one applies

00:20:27 [Jetpacked]

Jetpacked is now known as Jetpack

00:24:05 [Jetpack]

SenRepus?

00:24:17 [SenRepus]

yea

00:24:19 [SenRepus]

?

00:24:24 [SenRepus]

oh

00:24:53 [SenRepus]

but style rules say to always use feat

00:27:01 [SenRepus]

we cant use "(with Artist)" or "(duet with Artist)"

00:27:23 [SenRepus]

the rules are to ambigue data :P

00:27:25 [SenRepus]

im going to bed

00:27:54 [Jetpack]

ok

00:27:56 [Jetpack]

night

00:28:07 [SenRepus]

id honestly like to see accomodation for other types of collaborations but its just against the rules -_-

00:28:19 [SenRepus]

i didnt get me any mo today -_-

00:29:11 [Shepard]

night sen

00:30:39 [donredman]

night

00:32:06 [Shepard]

donredman: quick request: can you make http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ReleaseAnnotationStyle official? there are no objections. though I can ask on the mailing list again if you want

00:33:05 [donredman]

please do, so that anybody could raise objections (such things should not be decided on irc IMO).

00:33:24 [Shepard]

good

00:34:52 [donredman]

Shepard: do you have an account on trac?

00:35:07 [Shepard]

yes, created one

00:35:13 [Shepard]

"Shepard"

00:35:55 [donredman]

I want to keep track of things there, so I create a ticket and assign it to you, ok?

00:38:31 [Shepard]

ok

00:38:58 [Shepard]

§$%& now i send the mail from the wrong address again

00:39:06 [lauri_]

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00:46:11 [donredman]

man trac on test.mb is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

00:47:16 [ruaok]

oh?

00:47:44 [ruaok]

never been slow for me, but then again I sit right nex to the machine often

00:48:09 [donredman]

I am waiting for two ticket pages to update since at least a minute

00:48:30 [ruaok]

WTF???? http://www.resellerratings.com

00:48:33 [ruaok]

crap

00:48:39 [ruaok]

load is at 100.0!

00:49:42 [donredman]

aborting and reloading the page fixes it. but this is not the first time it happens to me

00:49:59 [donredman]

Shepard: you can now accept http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/1010

00:50:45 [donredman]

btw ruaok: is there a way to mark tickets as approved by the style secretary in trac?

00:50:51 [Shepard]

already did

00:51:40 [donredman]

could not connet to remote server test.musicbrainz.org wtf?

00:51:49 [donredman]

now it works

00:52:11 [ruaok]

I restarted apache

00:52:16 [ruaok]

WTF was that all about.

00:52:17 [nikki_]

so much for sleeping.

00:52:18 [donredman]

ah ok

00:52:27 [ruaok]

donredman: not sure about the style question though.

00:53:05 [donredman]

I'd hate to have my own list of style issues when trac could do everything in public.

00:55:52 [ruaok]

whatever that problem was, I have no idea.

00:56:18 [ruaok]

well, if it happens again monday morning, I do have a clue

00:56:37 [donredman]

I'll mention it again if it persists after trac has moved to another server

00:56:51 [ruaok]

mention it anytime trac gets slow.

00:56:53 [donredman]

"Ich hasse Montage"?

00:57:04 [ruaok]

but trac will move to the main server when we move to the new colo

00:58:11 [ruaok]

ok, back to spending other people's money

00:58:24 [donredman]

have fun!

00:58:51 [ruaok]

tedious work, unfortunately

01:00:10 [donredman]

Shepard: have you fixed http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/1008

01:00:12 [donredman]

?

01:00:43 [donredman]

http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/AmazonRelationshipType?action=diff looks like you did.

01:01:01 [Shepard]

only on the wiki, this wants it to be in the AR description though

01:01:15 [donredman]

are you ar editor?

01:01:24 [Shepard]

no

01:01:31 [donredman]

you want to be?

01:02:09 [nikki_]

btw, am I allowed to correct spelling mistakes in bug reports?

01:02:26 [donredman]

of course

01:02:50 [donredman]

how do you edit the text of a bug report? I think I cannot.

01:03:05 [nikki_]

I don't know, someone gave me the privs to

01:03:44 [donredman]

Shepard: ?

01:03:53 [Shepard]

mir egal

01:04:48 [donredman]

Mir egal heißt, ok, na gut, aber deshalb mache noch nicht die Arbeit, richtig?

01:05:33 [Shepard]

lol

01:05:45 [nikki_]

what does egal mean?

01:05:48 [Shepard]

heißt eher, dass ich nicht unbedingt drauf bestehe

01:05:55 [donredman]

whatever

01:06:06 [Shepard]

nikki: i don't care

01:06:39 [donredman]

ruaok: Might I disturb your shopping pleasures once more?

01:06:42 [donredman]

:-)

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01:08:19 [Shepard]

I'm in bed, Michael Marshall Smith waits for me in form of one of my favourite books :D

01:08:21 [Shepard]

night

01:08:38 [donredman]

night Shep!

01:11:01 [nikki_]

isn't this fixed now? http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/633

01:11:12 [ruaok]

yes, donredman

01:11:26 [DraX_]

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01:12:20 [Jetpack]

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01:12:33 [donredman]

Can I please be allowed to edit trac ticket texts, and may Shepart get AR editor privs, if you Evil Overlodiness allows this? :-)

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01:13:04 [ruaok]

Shepard must then make a hanuta donation.

01:13:09 [ruaok]

and you a milka donation.

01:13:12 [ruaok]

:-)

01:13:20 [nikki_]

* nikki_ wonders how many people get emails when she fixes the spellings...

01:13:21 [donredman]

nikki_: I think so, and it should be attached to the respective milestone

01:13:32 [nikki_]

what's hanuta?

01:13:36 [ruaok]

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01:14:13 [donredman]

ruaok: I'd recommend the Rahm Mandel Schokolade from Aldi

01:14:21 [nikki_]

teehee, aldi :)

01:14:38 [donredman]

kind of chocolate thingie

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01:15:10 [ruaok]

grrr.

01:15:13 [nikki_]

wb

01:15:14 [ruaok]

* ruaok is a spaz today

01:15:22 [ruaok]

donredman: see if you can edit tickets now.

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01:16:05 [donredman]

* donredman is loggin out and back in

01:16:24 [donredman]

nope

01:18:51 [ruaok]

Shepard: you log out and back in on the main stie.

01:19:09 [ruaok]

donredman: can you look at the track docs and tell me what priv keyword you need?

01:19:26 [donredman]

sure

01:22:57 [fuchs]

re

01:23:20 [donredman]

I don't get it the closest thing on http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/wiki/TracPermissions is TICKET_MODIFY, but it does not say, that it will allow me to edit the ticket description.

01:24:06 [nikki_]

can't you compare my privs and don's privs?

01:24:21 [ruaok]

donredman: I just gave you TICKET_MODIFY a minute ago

01:24:23 [ruaok]

nikki_: ok

01:25:42 [ruaok]

donredman: I made you a full fledged developer, just like nikki

01:25:46 [ruaok]

log out and back in

01:26:24 [donredman]

* donredman is scared he'll have to learn to code with the new privs

01:27:06 [fuchs]

:o)

01:27:20 [donredman]

works, thanks!

01:28:17 [nikki_]

donredman: I forbid you to do that! if you learn to code, you won't be our special person who sees things from a non-coder's point of view anymore!

01:28:37 [donredman]

don't wory :-9

01:28:41 [nikki_]

* nikki_ grins

01:29:08 [ruaok]

* ruaok personally wants to beat some coding sense into donredman

01:29:20 [ruaok]

but nikki does have a good point

01:29:49 [fuchs]

* fuchs wants to beat some sense into don, too *eg*

01:30:02 [nikki_]

aww, poor don

01:30:08 [donredman]

* donredman hides

01:30:43 [donredman]

btw beating is my domain: Pedagogues do that (with a cane) >:>

01:31:12 [ruaok]

fuchs: lol

01:32:08 [nikki_]

aie! romanian capitalisation standard *<:D

01:34:03 [donredman]

and we still do not have a Spanish one...

01:34:07 [nikki_]

yup :(

01:34:13 [nikki_]

there's a problem I think

01:34:44 [nikki_]

I'm pretty sure spanish spanish is sentence mode...

01:34:49 [nikki_]

but I don't know about america

01:35:31 [ruaok]

yes, we do need a spanish one asap.

01:35:53 [nikki_]

I know of a spanish mod...

01:35:59 [nikki_]

* nikki_ goes to bug them :)

01:44:26 [ruaok]

* ruaok is excited by the new style process stuff

01:44:43 [ruaok]

(then again, it be all the caffeine)

01:46:53 [donredman]

:-)

01:48:28 [donredman]

I am still looking for a way to store the 'status' of a style issue in trac (unchecked, OK, disputed)

01:48:32 [ruaok]

oh and g0llum picked 'waffle' for a server name. I vetoed it, since there are too many negative connotations (at least in .us english)

01:49:04 [ruaok]

so, i asked Kevin Murphy a long time hardware supporter of MuiscBrainz (and he wrote the current search routines)

01:49:12 [ruaok]

and he said: Stimpy !!

01:49:30 [ruaok]

now we have: zim, bender, catbus, lingling, dexter and stimpy

01:49:53 [ruaok]

all we need is one more server to run lucene on.

01:49:58 [ruaok]

that's tomorrow's chore.

01:51:32 [ruaok]

donredman: we could add another attribute, but then those show up for ALL bug types.

01:51:45 [nikki_]

* nikki_ sent an email to the spanish guy

01:52:05 [donredman]

ruaok: not good

01:52:08 [ruaok]

adding a status line at the bottom of each item is not going to work?

01:52:49 [donredman]

but it does not show up in the report. I could add "[official]" to the title

01:53:34 [donredman]

but how long will it take until an idiot creates a new issue with [official] in the title?

01:53:51 [ruaok]

gah. $32 for a set of rackmount rails. RIPOFFF

01:54:18 [ruaok]

donredman: true. another thing to police.

01:54:47 [nikki_]

btw, how do the keywords things work?

01:55:57 [donredman]

no idea

02:00:12 [nikki_]

ruaok: is this fixed or? http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/700

02:06:39 [nikki_]

and http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/720 ? it deletes directories for me...

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02:07:17 [ruaok]

nikki_: it is now. :-)

02:07:26 [ruaok]

yllona: hi!

02:07:26 [nikki_]

ooh, so I can close it?

02:07:29 [donredman]

hi

02:07:32 [ruaok]

I'm about to purchase hardware....

02:07:43 [ruaok]

can you forward me andy's tips for SATAII RAID controllers?

02:07:43 [yllona]

hey ru, hello don

02:07:48 [nikki_]

ruaok: actually, which were you talking about?

02:08:01 [ruaok]

I;'m leaning towards a 3ware controller

02:08:14 [ruaok]

nikki_: I closed the first bug.

02:08:18 [nikki_]

ah

02:08:28 [donredman]

nikki_: he seems to be preoccupied with other stuff

02:08:37 [yllona]

ru, yes. will do. and e-mail andy if you have any questions. this is the sort of thing that makes him giddy :)

02:08:44 [ruaok]

gee, that's what my GF said too. :-0

02:08:57 [ruaok]

yllona: yay!

02:08:58 [donredman]

<ruaok> and that pink one, how do I look in it?

02:09:02 [donredman]

:-P

02:09:09 [nikki_]

* nikki_ laughs

02:09:17 [ruaok]

* ruaok is confused

02:09:24 [donredman]

* donredman hopes Rob does not buy pink servers :-D

02:09:38 [nikki_]

we all know my opinion...

02:09:40 [ruaok]

beige for the supermicros and black for the dells

02:09:53 [ruaok]

the dells have cool blue leds if everything is well

02:09:55 [donredman]

I think black fits you best :-P

02:10:01 [nikki_]

me?

02:10:04 [ruaok]

* ruaok likes both dells and supermicros

02:10:06 [nikki_]

or ruaok?

02:10:16 [nikki_]

I used to have a purple case...

02:10:20 [donredman]

no him of course, and the blue leds too

02:10:22 [nikki_]

ah

02:10:37 [nikki_]

but now I have a black one.

02:11:17 [nikki_]

hmm.

02:11:52 [nikki_]

the only things left of the computer I built on a £300 budget are its mobo and cpu

02:15:35 [ruaok]

nikki_: we need to close a lot of the MB tagger bugs.

02:16:09 [nikki_]

* nikki_ takes a look at them

02:16:10 [ruaok]

I think we have either heard (and fixed) about the bugs that might be libtp bugs.

02:16:31 [ruaok]

tagger improvements and tagger specific bugs can be closed with a wontfix.

02:16:51 [ruaok]

when you close a bug as wontfix, include a note to tell people to use picard

02:17:05 [ruaok]

ok, I'm off for a couple of hours.

02:17:11 [ruaok]

I need to go stretch my butt.

02:17:54 [nikki_]

mp4 is the same as m4a, isn't it?

02:18:37 [yllona]

nikki_: yes, and no. .m4a is MPEG-4 audio (only)

02:18:46 [nikki_]

yllona: when it comes to mb support

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02:19:03 [yllona]

it's AAC (Advanced Audio Codec)

02:19:21 [yllona]

nikki_: in that case "yes" :)

02:19:25 [nikki_]

thanks!

02:19:27 [inhouseuk]

wrapped in a mp4 container

02:19:38 [yllona]

inhouseuk: yep

02:20:37 [yllona]

nikki_: one last thought. .mp4 is the AAC protected from the itunes music store

02:20:48 [nikki_]

I thought those were m4p

02:21:01 [yllona]

oops! yes, that's what i meant (type)

02:21:09 [yllona]

*typo, again

02:21:36 [inhouseuk]

and m4b are audio books

02:22:18 [yllona]

and there is an "apple lossless codec" as well. don't know the extension, sorry

02:22:45 [inhouseuk]

* inhouseuk can't remember either

02:26:05 [nikki_]

my itunes creates m4a for lossless

02:26:27 [inhouseuk]

yeah, just found it, confusingly it's m4a as well

02:26:42 [nikki_]

* nikki_ doesn't use any of those anyway :)

02:26:48 [inhouseuk]

stupid apple

02:28:26 [yllona]

eek.

02:28:58 [inhouseuk]

I occasionly encode to m4a using FAAC for one of my friends that insists that he wants them instead of mp3

02:29:11 [yllona]

inhouseuk: have you heard this:

02:29:15 [yllona]

* yllona is listening to Frank Zappa: Music For Electric Violin And Budget Orchestra by Jean-Luc Ponty from King Kong: Jean-Luc Ponty Plays the Music of Frank Zappa (1969) (11:41 / 19:26)

02:29:28 [inhouseuk]

don't think so

02:29:51 [yllona]

it's quite fabulous, JL ponty was one of the original members of the mothers of invention

02:31:52 [yllona]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000005HE8

02:32:26 [donredman]

what is the parser behind the wiki markup in annotations?

02:32:45 [inhouseuk]

* inhouseuk looks

02:34:00 [inhouseuk]

it appears to be using the Text::WikiFormat perl module

02:35:14 [donredman]

don't know that. But that means it's not MoinMoin

02:35:25 [donredman]

thanks inhouseuk

02:35:29 [nikki_]

* nikki_ happily closes bugs

02:41:44 [inhouseuk]

donredman: it only seems to support a simple level of formating - http://search.cpan.org/~chromatic/Text-WikiFormat-0.77/lib/Text/WikiFormat.pm#Wiki_Format

02:42:11 [donredman]

* donredman reads

02:43:18 [donredman]

ok, it is reasonably similar to moin's markup but does not allow macros of any kind.

02:43:30 [nikki_]

I think the urls are different

02:45:52 [donredman]

yea, but moin's urls are PITA

02:46:17 [donredman]

they are going to fix this but not before MoinMoin 2.0 :-(

02:46:19 [fuchs]

nikki_: are you closing _all_ MB Tagger bugs? :)

02:50:20 [fuchs]

donredman: ah, you are a link editor (or whatever this is called today), right?

02:50:31 [donredman]

yes

02:51:03 [fuchs]

donredman: http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/1008 should be a matter of seconds ;)

02:51:36 [donredman]

No no no. I don't do the actual work.

02:51:40 [nikki_]

fuchs: no

02:51:54 [fuchs]

donredman: why not?

02:52:12 [donredman]

I will spend ten time that time to get Robert to make you a RelType editor, though

02:52:17 [donredman]

fuchs: Adenauer.

02:53:06 [fuchs]

well, is there a reason you are a "RelType editor" then? ;o)

02:53:29 [nikki_]

fuchs: I'm closing the ones specific to mbtagger, or ones which are now fixed in picard

02:53:40 [nikki_]

but there are some which are equally valid for either

02:53:53 [fuchs]

ah, ok

02:54:22 [donredman]

The idea is to get things working in a sustainable way. We already know that the Dude/Leader/Secretary will suffer burnout if she/he starts to do the actual work.

02:54:26 [fuchs]

in this case you could reassign them to picard ;)

02:54:33 [donredman]

lol

02:54:55 [nikki_]

but that's not as fun as closing bugs

02:55:03 [fuchs]

omg, ruaok, what have you done? :)

02:55:59 [donredman]

by making me secretary? You can succeed me in April if you want :-P

02:56:13 [fuchs]

dream on ;)

02:56:26 [fuchs]

is this correct english?

02:56:36 [nikki_]

ja

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03:07:43 [nikki_]

http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/673 is this fixed?

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03:13:27 [fuchs]

yes

03:17:49 [nikki_]

down to 50 open mbtagger bugs and I ought to try sleeping.

03:17:53 [nikki_]

...again

03:24:38 [donredman]

* donredman tires sleeping too, now

03:24:49 [donredman]

good time-of-day everybody

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03:37:25 [GURT]

are python wrappers the same thing as bindings?

03:39:26 [GURT]

why can't there just be a binary of picard that just runs, why do i need to install all this stuff that i can't tell if i have or not or has multiple names.. ugh

03:56:31 [fuchs]

because the picard scripts are not binaries :)

03:59:01 [GURT]

oh

03:59:32 [GURT]

well

03:59:35 [GURT]

yeah

04:00:21 [fuchs]

it works on windows the way you proposed, because there is a working solution to translate a python script into a binary executable

04:01:36 [GURT]

i wish someone would write more detailed instructions on how to install this thing because i really think that a list of requirments dosen't coun't as instructions. heh

04:02:30 [GURT]

i have no idea what to do with libtunepimp-0.4.2.tar.gz -- the instructions for it are "makes sure you have libraries so and so installed"

04:03:08 [fuchs]

*g*

04:03:50 [fuchs]

it's the default: ./configure; make; make install

04:06:49 [GURT]

ah that seems kind of familiar

04:07:07 [GURT]

i can't say i install much outside of whatever is in the ubuntu repositories

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04:10:56 [GURT]

configure: error: "Cannot build. Stop."

04:10:59 [GURT]

awesome!

04:13:21 [GURT]

* The MusicBrainz client library needs to be installed

04:13:26 [GURT]

but i already installed it!

04:13:38 [fuchs]

intall the -dev or -devel package for that lib

04:13:52 [GURT]

ok

04:13:59 [fuchs]

depends on the distribution how they call it

04:14:17 [GURT]

libmusicbrainz4-dev

04:14:32 [GURT]

i only had libmusicbrainz4c2

04:14:41 [GURT]

which i have no clue as if it's the latest version

04:14:42 [nechto13]

yllona: do you think i should add guest performers for ISO once i'm done with the regular performers? if so how would i signify their temporary role?

04:15:03 [nechto13]

* nechto13 waves at everyone

04:15:07 [GURT]

hi

04:15:50 [yllona]

there's an AR for intrumental and one of the check boxes indicates a "guest" role

04:16:40 [nechto13]

that's not an artist to artist AR though, it's artist to track or artist to album AR

04:16:54 [yllona]

so you have something like this: [artist name] performs [instrument] then check "guest" before submit.

04:17:06 [yllona]

it works the same way for tracks and albums

04:17:19 [nechto13]

and i'm not planning to add any albums for ISO

04:18:02 [yllona]

so you're adding them as band members?

04:18:03 [nechto13]

besides most of those were live concerts on which the guests performed

04:18:23 [nechto13]

i haven't started adding guest performers yet

04:18:33 [nechto13]

that's why i was curious

04:18:57 [yllona]

let me look, hang on

04:23:26 [GURT]

fuchs: what is this ctypes stuff?

04:23:53 [GURT]

the readme says to remove something that the OTHER instructions told me to install!

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04:24:07 [fuchs]

GURT: it's a module to integrate extensions written in C into python scripts

04:24:15 [yllona]

nechto you can only add "is/was member of" but you can restrict the date for teh guest performance

04:24:17 [fuchs]

hmm?

04:24:56 [GURT]

i dont know

04:25:06 [GURT]

this is a goose chase

04:25:30 [GURT]

python-musicbrainz

04:25:30 [GURT]

If you've installed python-musicbrainz before, you will need to remove the

04:25:30 [GURT]

old directory. With ctypes I only need one file, not a whole directory of

04:25:30 [GURT]

stuff.

04:26:24 [GURT]

im told to go get the mb ctypes.. so i do and that tells me to remove something that told me to get the ctypes.. and it's telling me to go someplace else to get some other moduel

04:26:40 [GURT]

i just want to install and use picard already

04:27:13 [sysrq]

lol

04:27:20 [sysrq]

what distro is this?

04:27:33 [nechto13]

yllona: member for one day, week, or season eh? i wonder if that's he best way to go. i'd think that if someone added a live concert for ISO then a guest performer could be related to that. i think that would be better, don't you?

04:27:43 [fuchs]

GURT: hmm, just install ctypes from your distribution

04:27:55 [sysrq]

I did ctypes myself here

04:27:58 [sysrq]

not like it's a hard install

04:28:03 [GURT]

sysrq: i'm reading the picard instructions

04:28:06 [fuchs]

GURT: python-ctypes on ubuntu, it works

04:28:16 [GURT]

and the instructions of everything else it's telling me to read

04:28:20 [sysrq]

lol

04:28:21 [nechto13]

i wonder what's the additional checkbox is for on is/was a member of AR?

04:28:27 [yllona]

nechto13: guests are for performances, unless it's some artist in residence thing, which happens often

04:28:41 [nechto13]

i don't think i've ever seen it being used

04:28:53 [yllona]

nechto13: which

04:28:59 [GURT]

ok.. thats more like it fuchs

04:29:57 [yllona]

nechto13: some band will invite a guest performer for a particular recording

04:30:19 [nechto13]

isn't that more appropriate here?

04:30:58 [yllona]

guests are for performances with an orchestra, they're not acually memebers

04:31:03 [yllona]

of teh orchestra

04:31:20 [GURT]

python-ctypes installed.. now what do i do with python-musicbrainz-1.0b3-picard.tar.gz ?

04:31:43 [sysrq]

erm

04:31:49 [sysrq]

you don't need that anymore do you?

04:31:53 [sysrq]

since it's part of libmusicbrainz

04:31:54 [GURT]

i don't know

04:31:59 [fuchs]

GURT: you can use the python-musicbrainz from ubuntu as well

04:32:03 [GURT]

well i don't have 2.1.1

04:32:04 [sysrq]

but I'm using cvs so it might be just packaged seperately

04:32:07 [GURT]

er

04:32:09 [GURT]

i don't have 2.1.2

04:32:14 [GURT]

ubuntu only has 2.1.1

04:32:29 [ojnkpjg]

ubuntu has too many u's.

04:32:30 [yllona]

nechto13: orchestra's are "guilds", so performing as a guest doesn't make one a member of the orchestra.

04:32:47 [GURT]

i'll tell you what it dosen't have enough of..

04:33:10 [ojnkpjg]

i've been using debian for a while

04:33:14 [ojnkpjg]

i hated everything i tried before it

04:33:28 [ojnkpjg]

for years and years i'd install slackware 3.0 or something and just build the system myself

04:33:31 [nechto13]

then it wouldn't be good to add them as members for a particular period either, would it? since it's usually limited to a season when the concerts are given or it's done only for a one time recording

04:33:36 [ojnkpjg]

because all the distributions were full of crap that got in your way

04:33:41 [ojnkpjg]

then i went to college and had no time

04:33:53 [nechto13]

i wonder if there's acutally a style guideline that addresses the issue

04:33:57 [yllona]

nechto13: unless the guest artist/composer has an "artist-in-residence" position, though those are usually for conductors & composers

04:34:05 [GURT]

i couldn't get debian to install so i had to have ubuntu hold my hand

04:34:17 [ojnkpjg]

at least it's not mandrake

04:34:19 [ojnkpjg]

is that still around?

04:34:28 [GURT]

i think it has a different name

04:34:31 [ojnkpjg]

oh

04:34:35 [GURT]

mandingo or something

04:34:39 [ojnkpjg]

hehe

04:35:03 [GURT]

ubuntu tells me that python-musicbrainz is a dummy file

04:35:56 [ruaok]

ok

04:38:18 [nechto13]

yllona: if there's no definitive answer to how this should be done, then i think this should be brought to don redmon's attention, although i would think that this information should be on the live performances not on the orchestra

04:38:46 [ruaok]

* ruaok continues his monolouge with his stretched butt

04:39:11 [yllona]

nechto13: as i said guests are for perfomances and those associated recordings

04:40:13 [yllona]

nechto13: unless it's an "artist-in-residence" arrangement

04:40:41 [nechto13]

alright then, i guess i'll have to wait until people start using ISO in ARs

04:40:58 [yllona]

yes, or enter recordings

04:41:38 [nechto13]

hopefully its strange looking artist name won't scare anyone away :P

04:42:11 [GURT]

brian@bertha:~/Desktop/python-musicbrainz-1.0b3-picard$ python setup.py install

04:42:11 [GURT]

running install

04:42:11 [GURT]

error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)

04:42:22 [GURT]

awesome!

04:43:14 [ojnkpjg]

try python2.3 instead of python

04:43:35 [nechto13]

considering that israel philharmonic's artist name is written in hebrew, doesn't that mean that the text flow of the page should be from right to left?

04:43:44 [GURT]

but it says i need 2.4 in one of the 234234 INSTRUCTION files

04:43:47 [ojnkpjg]

oh

04:43:52 [GURT]

so annoying

04:43:56 [ojnkpjg]

i thought 2.3 worked

04:44:08 [GURT]

i'm just following "instructions"

04:44:27 [nechto13]

everyone's wisely ignoring my question :)

04:44:27 [GURT]

and I thought instructions instructed :)

04:44:33 [fuchs]

GURT: install python-dev ;)

04:44:42 [GURT]

fuchs: i did!

04:44:51 [GURT]

oh that was some other dev

04:44:56 [fuchs]

yep :)

04:44:57 [inhouseuk]

nechto13: http://www.inhouse.co.uk/misc/number_of_ar_by_artist.txt

04:45:19 [ojnkpjg]

can i take a guess at #1?

04:45:23 [ojnkpjg]

is it pete namlook?

04:45:39 [nechto13]

thank you, inhouseuk

04:45:42 [inhouseuk]

nope, elton john

04:45:47 [ojnkpjg]

wow.

04:45:54 [fuchs]

someone is an elton fan ;)

04:46:53 [ojnkpjg]

hm

04:46:55 [ojnkpjg]

that's not right

04:47:11 [GURT]

fuchs: thanks.. that worked.

04:47:35 [ojnkpjg]

says 7 for 4428 (namlook), but take a look at the page

04:48:18 [fuchs]

GURT: is picard running?

04:48:53 [GURT]

no, not yet atleast

04:49:08 [inhouseuk]

ah, the relationship might be the other direction, in which case it wouldn't be included under that artist. I need to tweek my report :(

04:49:10 [GURT]

i'm still backtracking through allt he instructions to check what my next step is

04:50:24 [inhouseuk]

ojnkpjg: I'll have another look at it :(

04:54:14 [GURT]

fuchs: nope :(

04:54:21 [GURT]

configure: error: "Cannot build. Stop."

04:54:22 [GURT]

again

04:54:35 [GURT]

and its missing all my FLAC and ogg stuff and saying no to all sorts of crap

04:55:54 [GURT]

this is way too much of a pain in the ass

04:56:18 [GURT]

i'll jsut keep waiting until the installation process dosen't suck

04:58:29 [yllona]

g'night all

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04:59:29 [GURT]

at least the instructions end with "Good luck!"

05:00:54 [ojnkpjg]

i think the moral of the story is that python is evil

05:03:46 [GURT]

"Good luck!"

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* Muz wakes up to the glorious sounds of trance >:D

08:30:41 [nechto13]

that's not good i just woke up and i feel crappier then before i went to sleep

08:35:02 [Muz]

go back to sleep then?

08:35:22 [Muz]

* Muz is in a fucking awesome mood because he didn't sleep a nocturnal shift for once on a long while

08:40:57 [juhae]

nechto13: I'm about to add a couple of russian albums into MB, want to do the usual caps checking etc? :)

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10:12:51 [SenRepus]

* SenRepus sighs a "ihatewakingup" sigh

10:13:12 [Muz]

Sen needs some trance music X)

10:15:38 [SenRepus]

nei!

10:18:38 [SenRepus]

i need a reason to get up in the ... middle of the night, morning, afternoon, whatever

10:20:33 [Shepard]

0,0

10:21:52 [SenRepus]

its 2:22 AM and i just got up

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10:45:23 [SenRepus]

some weird music test http://www.delosis.com/listening/home.html

10:45:30 [SenRepus]

to see if you are "amusical"

10:47:02 [azertus]

damn, I could really use the album-locking feature discussed long ago

10:47:07 [Shrike]

Talking about weird music: The Best Of Russian Rock'n'Roll! http://www.redelvises.com/

10:47:11 [Shrike]

Hehe

10:47:38 [azertus]

see http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=55305

10:49:00 [azertus]

I wrote an annotation to make sure nobody would mess with it, but that didn't help, of course :$

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10:53:29 [azertus]

it takes someone only a second to click guess case and so remove all the work one put in

10:53:32 [azertus]

see http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=2&automod=&moderator_id=155320&moderator_type=3&voter_type=0&voter_id=33098&vote_cast=-2&artist_id=3190&artist_type=3&orderby=asc&minid=&maxid=

10:53:41 [SenRepus]

:/

10:53:46 [SenRepus]

you know, do you own this?

10:54:34 [azertus]

no, I don't

10:54:48 [azertus]

great music though!

10:55:05 [SenRepus]

wait, i dont get it, i thought only propper nouns were to be capitalized, did that person lowercase a bunch of propper nouns?

10:55:10 [SenRepus]

yea, i love that CD

10:55:22 [SenRepus]

but i think track 14 is mis-artisted

10:55:29 [juhae]

Yann Tiersen's works totally rock

10:55:41 [juhae]

And waltz and stuff ;)

10:57:05 [azertus]

no, he lowercase all combinations of "definite article, noun" , etc

10:57:11 [azertus]

it's all explained on http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/CapitalizationStandardFrench

10:58:57 [azertus]

what I'm saying (especially with all the different capitalisation proposals) we could really use a rollback/revert feature or the locking feature

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11:00:49 [SenRepus]

yes, i would like locking

11:01:21 [SenRepus]

why does that "Amelie" one with no discID have such wonkey times on it?

11:01:31 [SenRepus]

i read the add album mod notes and im not sure if i believe them to be correct

11:02:41 [SenRepus]

actually, heh, i own that version

11:02:44 [Jetpack]

amelie rocks

11:02:49 [SenRepus]

but the track times are wonky as hell

11:02:50 [azertus]

hmm, I thought someone had already submitted a delete mod for that one

11:03:51 [SenRepus]

also, track 14 in the notes is as follows:

11:03:57 [azertus]

nah, there was discussion at http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4165623

11:04:25 [SenRepus]

Si tu n'etais pas la (frehel)

11:04:36 [SenRepus]

p. Bayle / G. Claret

11:04:47 [SenRepus]

where the second line is the composers

11:05:41 [azertus]

then I think it's correct the way it's now

11:05:45 [SenRepus]

but nowhere is russ columbo mentioned for track 7

11:06:35 [SenRepus]

oh, i thought i had looked at the artist Frehel and they only had tracks from this soundtrack

11:07:04 [azertus]

track 7 says G. Khan / R. A. Whiting - H. Akst

11:08:53 [Shepard]

hi azertus

11:09:01 [SenRepus]

honestly i think they should be merged, the two 20 track versions

11:09:16 [SenRepus]

the only difference in them i see is the dispute of the title

11:09:55 [azertus]

hello!

11:10:05 [azertus]

actually, I added the accents to the titles

11:10:30 [SenRepus]

oh, no, i found a difference

11:10:38 [SenRepus]

track 8 doesnt have an accent on mine

11:10:42 [azertus]

I didn't know it was an anglo-american release; I think it still needs a release to warrant a stay in the db

11:10:54 [azertus]

again, my doing :p

11:11:09 [Shepard]

about these Tiësto non-album tracks I'm not sure how to argue when removing them

11:11:39 [azertus]

I wasn't really sure if accents are kept on Uppercase French letters; they probably aren't...

11:11:42 [SenRepus]

so then, really, the only difference is the album name? those times are bogus

11:13:41 [azertus]

hmmm, I'll look up what we said when removing similar singletrack albums from 2manydj's

11:16:53 [azertus]

it all started at http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=2943780 so, just say: single track version of ..., which hasn't been released officially

11:18:43 [nechto13]

juhae, i'll look at your album adds later. sorry for not responing earlier i was playing a game

11:18:47 [Shepard]

no I mean, I have no real proof..

11:19:43 [azertus]

Sen, don't be confused, I just added another version :) http://musicbrainz.org/album/164694e7-1747-4add-9e72-5c51c4f5f0b2.html

11:22:01 [nechto13]

i think i'm gonna take sen's advice and go back to sleep, before i get a chance to barf up a lung. i think i got sick from a guy at work who's a walking bacteria trap, it's not that he's unclean is that he is always sneazing and coughing, but no one can tell if he is sick or it's his allergies. he has a very bad case of allergies

11:22:46 [nechto13]

by the way red elvises are awesome!

11:23:00 [nechto13]

good night everyone

11:23:32 [azertus]

night

11:23:33 [nechto13]

signing off... cough

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11:25:22 [SenRepus]

>.<

11:25:30 [azertus]

Sen, maybe a delete of the Amelie album would be the best/cleanest solution. Then if someone comes along with the possible anglo-american release, it can be dealt with properly. A lot of the TRMs are probably wrong anyway

11:31:47 [azertus]

and we're still missing the Japanese "Amelie from Montmartre" rls and the UK "Amélie from Montmartre" one (note the accents :p)

11:37:02 [SenRepus]

like i said, i own the angl-american version

11:38:15 [azertus]

ah, now I understand; then there's no problem really, is there? you can check the tracktimes (or add a discid) and then that confusion will be over too...

11:38:55 [SenRepus]

i added the discID to the other version a long while ago :/

11:39:33 [azertus]

shouldn't it be moved then?

11:41:32 [SenRepus]

aparently

11:41:36 [SenRepus]

i think they should be merged though

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11:43:34 [azertus]

I don't remember who said it and where, but I agree that merges should only be done when tracks are identical, _title is identical_, ...

11:43:47 [azertus]

merging would essentialy lose the title info of the american version

11:44:35 [azertus]

later, with all the Objects, all the different versions we've got now will map easily into the new structure

11:46:19 [SenRepus]

heh, how am i suppoed to know which one to move :P ?

11:48:28 [SenRepus]

there, theres a remove TOC mod now since i just added it instaed

11:50:36 [luks]

haha http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4172263

11:50:45 [luks]

back and forth :)

11:52:10 [SenRepus]

:p

11:52:43 [SenRepus]

* SenRepus goes to do dishes, shopping, shower, breakfast

11:52:45 [azertus]

that's just funny

11:56:39 [luks]

i'm somehow not sure what to do. i said i'm against using SD5DR for dj mixes, but people disagreed...

11:58:45 [SenRepus]

i think if its released under that artist it should be under their albums

11:58:54 [SenRepus]

"Reconfigures" is my example

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12:00:12 [Scytale]

* Scytale just did his first addition to the MB database... it feels great ;)

12:00:57 [mustaqila]

You know what feels better though? Tidying up my room and finally having a bed I can sleep on instead of the floor : D

12:01:33 [Jetpack]

you sleep on the floor?

12:01:43 [Scytale]

Oh, you can sleep with stuff on your bed as well. Just think of it as massage toys.

12:02:09 [mustaqila]

Jetpack, yes I have done for the past few months since my bed was taken over by various items

12:02:17 [Scytale]

How can I generate TRMs and submit them? This isn't possible with Picard, right?

12:02:28 [mustaqila]

Scytale, yeah but it gets to the point where I don't want to wake up with things in my back

12:02:40 [mustaqila]

Scytale, use MBTagger to tag them and submit TRMs

12:03:02 [Scytale]

Will do, thanks

12:03:22 [azertus]

don't, scy

12:03:38 [azertus]

really, it's not worth the trouble

12:03:56 [Jetpack]

my floor is usually taken over by various items and i sleep on my bed

12:04:08 [Scytale]

azertus: What would you recommend then?

12:04:10 [azertus]

good to see a new soundtrack moderator though!

12:04:31 [mustaqila]

Jetpack, as was mine, but the mess spread to the entire room and I gave up on sleeping at the desk after a week or so of gettnig neck and back pains

12:05:02 [mustaqila]

Scytale, the reason is that MBTagger is going to be "phased out" in favour of Picard where TRMs aren't needed

12:05:48 [Scytale]

And how do you generate audio fingerprints then?

12:06:22 [mustaqila]

Correct me if I'm wrong but they won't be needed anymore

12:07:53 [Scytale]

Erm. And how am I supposed to tag single tracks without any meta information then?

12:13:21 [Scytale]

As far as I've read the website, Picard just doesn't support TRMs _yet_.

12:14:38 [azertus]

Scy, just because a part of the community doesn't see a point in continuing to use TRM's, doesn't mean you can't use them!

12:14:53 [azertus]

just follow mustaqila's suggestion and you'll be fine ;)

12:15:33 [azertus]

btw, it's pretty unlikely for Picard ever to support TRM's

12:15:41 [mustaqila]

* mustaqila isn't too fond of Picard anyhow, he prefers MBTagger

12:16:08 [azertus]

if a valid alternative fingerprinting solution comes along, it might be integrated in Picard

12:16:42 [mustaqila]

* mustaqila ponders off elsewhere to watch his film in peace :)

12:16:44 [Shepard]

I'm not sure if that describes it appropriatly: http://www.last.fm/tag/fucking%20holy%20shit

12:18:12 [Scytale]

The problem you have with TRMs is that they're proprietary technology, right?

12:18:32 [juhae]

And of any use generally only with more popular tracks.

12:22:19 [Jetpack]

* Jetpack doesn'

12:22:29 [Jetpack]

* Jetpack doesn't really like Picard or MBtagger

12:23:49 [Scytale]

me neither

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12:35:18 [Scytale]

How do I add ASINs? I'm at the "Relate to URL" form, but what should I enter as "description"?

12:35:42 [tru]

picard <3

12:37:20 [SenRepus]

zout is on a voting spree :p

12:37:37 [SenRepus]

Scytale, just add a letter or an obscenity

12:37:47 [SenRepus]

that field isnt used, its going to be removed soon

12:38:26 [SenRepus]

i usually just mash a key

12:38:33 [Muz]

It isn't used?!

12:38:35 [Muz]

Awww crap

12:38:51 [Muz]

* Muz has been wasting too much time with it then adding rather decriptive items

12:39:25 [SenRepus]

lol

12:39:33 [SenRepus]

are you kidding?

12:41:50 [Muz]

Nope

12:42:54 [Muz]

'Twould've been nice if someone'd told me about that earlier

12:46:28 [tru]

haha.

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12:53:50 [juhae]

poor muz :/

12:54:24 [Muz]

Cha : (

12:54:49 [SenRepus]

yo yalaphorje

12:55:29 [yalaforge]

moin sen

12:55:40 [Shepard]

hey geordi ;)

12:55:51 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge grins

12:56:09 [yalaforge]

no jokes about the chief engineer, please ;-)

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12:59:29 [SenRepus]

hello, yalaforge, our lord and master

13:00:01 [yalaforge]

that's better, but rob is the evil overlord, I thought

13:00:15 [SenRepus]

i didnt say "evil lord and master"

13:00:35 [yalaforge]

hmm. I have to work on my reputation.

13:00:38 [SenRepus]

we worship whoever is here. and if youre both here, whoever is winning.

13:01:12 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge thinks he should better get back to coding

13:01:20 [Muz]

They should fight to the death

13:01:25 [Muz]

In an arena of mud

13:01:28 [Muz]

And rabid wolves

13:01:30 [Shepard]

sen the good always wins

13:01:32 [SenRepus]

no, we need all the coders and smart people we can get

13:01:34 [yalaforge]

this is getting weird here, time to go :-)

13:01:44 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge wanders off

13:01:53 [Shepard]

bye

13:02:04 [SenRepus]

* SenRepus wonders off

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13:02:27 [SenRepus]

i think we scared yala -_-

13:02:57 [Shepard]

no no

13:03:14 [Shepard]

* Shepard goes to do the washup -.-

13:03:28 [Muz]

Get a hungry dog to lick all the dishes clean hehehe

13:03:29 [SenRepus]

would i be entirely insane to wash my clothes in the sink? to save two dollars?

13:04:54 [Scytale]

Where should I file bugs concerning the MB web site? "MusicBrainz Server"? "Other"?

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server, i believe

13:10:55 [ojnkpjg]

i'd wash them in the sink

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13:11:13 [enjayhch]

* enjayhch waves

13:11:41 [enjayhch]

any suggestions adding TXXX tags to MP3s in perl?

13:12:08 [enjayhch]

I have tried MP3::Tag and it replaces any other TXXX tags

13:12:18 [enjayhch]

id3v2 command line tool does the same

13:12:41 [ojnkpjg]

try eyeD3?

13:12:46 [ojnkpjg]

--set-user-text, i think

13:12:59 [ojnkpjg]

that's not perl, of course

13:13:02 [HairMetalAddict]

Use MP3::Tag to read any current TXXX tags, then rewrite them in at same time as adding the new one?

13:13:23 [enjayhch]

HairMetalAddict: I wanted to try avoiding doing that, but might give it a go

13:13:46 [HairMetalAddict]

I dunno. Just that if it's replacing current tags, that may be the only option.

13:13:52 [enjayhch]

will test eyed3 and see if it works - spawning another process isn't the end of the world

13:14:11 [HairMetalAddict]

I've only used MP3::Tag for reading...

13:14:14 [ojnkpjg]

it's --set-user-text-frame, btw

13:14:17 [ojnkpjg]

it ought to work

13:14:21 [enjayhch]

thanks

13:14:42 [ojnkpjg]

it's almost the end of the word

13:14:45 [ojnkpjg]

..if it's a python process

13:14:47 [SenRepus]

damn ojnkpjg, youre here but im getting ready for work >.<

13:14:59 [ojnkpjg]

i should be on my way to work

13:15:21 [enjayhch]

eyeD3 --set-user-text-frame=foo:bar works great :)

13:16:10 [enjayhch]

it is indeed a shame it is python and not perl

13:16:18 [enjayhch]

:-o

13:17:04 [ojnkpjg]

or c

13:17:30 [enjayhch]

do many people use TXXX 'MusicBrainz TRM Id' etc?

13:17:42 [ojnkpjg]

last.fm does

13:18:01 [ojnkpjg]

not that one, but others

13:18:09 [enjayhch]

oh cool

13:18:24 [Scytale]

Can I set embedded pictures with eyeD3 as well?

13:18:32 [ojnkpjg]

i think so

13:18:41 [HairMetalAddict]

I use the album/artist/track MBIDs in my MP3s for making my personal music database

13:18:51 [ojnkpjg]

yeah

13:18:52 [ojnkpjg]

--add-image=IMG_PATH:TYPE[:DESCRIPTION]

13:19:04 [Scytale]

Great. I guess I just fell in love. :)

13:19:25 [ojnkpjg]

sorry, i'm taken

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13:24:15 [SenRepus]

* SenRepus remains silent, as not to scare yalaforge away again

13:24:33 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge isn't that easy to scare away

13:25:13 [SenRepus]

* SenRepus thinks we must be pretty frightening then

13:25:22 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge grins

13:25:28 [Muz]

I think he's calling us all ugly :(

13:25:45 [SenRepus]

i really dont have a problem with that

13:26:21 [SenRepus]

im mildly atractive where it counts

13:26:57 [Muz]

Your fist?

13:27:13 [SenRepus]

i was gonna say "i keep my toenails trimmed"

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13:35:48 [SenRepus]

chatkill

13:35:56 [SenRepus]

i gotta finish getting ready for work and head out

13:36:15 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge wants to chatkill once, too!

13:37:02 [Scytale]

No way.

13:37:12 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge retries

13:37:55 [Scytale]

Ah, btw, what's the status of that tunepimp/iconv bug? I was too confused that day to remember how far we got...

13:38:32 [yalaforge]

the configure didn't work for some reason. difficult to say without working on that system

13:39:01 [yalaforge]

make sure to enter a bug report though. I'll contribute my configure patch in case rob wants to have it

13:39:54 [yalaforge]

even the HP-UX box here has a libc iconv :-/

13:40:36 [SenRepus]

im the official chatkill referee, no chatkills are official until OKed by me.

13:40:48 [yalaforge]

good to know :-)

13:40:50 [SenRepus]

^_^

13:41:03 [yalaforge]

but you accept chatlog-documented attempts?

13:42:58 [Scytale]

yalaforge: What about http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120387#c8 ?

13:43:50 [yalaforge]

ah, good. link to it from your bug report

13:44:39 [Scytale]

Okay

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13:49:49 [Shepard]

lol

13:58:09 [Scytale]

yalaforge: Reported as http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/1013

14:48:00 [Scytale]

Uh. ojnkpjg is filling my inbox :)

14:48:24 [ojnkpjg]

haha

14:48:25 [ojnkpjg]

sorry.

14:49:32 [Scytale]

Though I still don't quite get what you mean. I have no idea whether this is a mix; I've not found a track "brakes on" by Air anywhere, and nothing on the cover says that it's a mix.

14:50:14 [ojnkpjg]

oh

14:50:27 [ojnkpjg]

ok, i thought it might be a mix that's not listed as such on the album notes

14:50:31 [ojnkpjg]

i don't own the cd, so i don't know

14:50:55 [ojnkpjg]

i think my girlfriend has that one

14:51:01 [ojnkpjg]

i can have her take a look

14:51:59 [ojnkpjg]

hm, probably not that version, though..

14:52:48 [Scytale]

* Scytale just adds a comment about that and waits for an Air fan to react :)

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14:58:50 [ojnkpjg]

amazon has it as just "brakes on"

14:59:09 [ojnkpjg]

some 3 cd package ahs the last track as alex something - gordini mix

14:59:17 [ojnkpjg]

i don't know if it's the same song, or what

15:08:58 [Scytale]

Looks like the name it had was okay, look at zout's notes.

15:13:00 [ojnkpjg]

ok

15:13:03 [ojnkpjg]

that makes sense

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15:30:45 [ojnkpjg]

can i get opinions on this: http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4174840

15:39:56 [HairMetalAddict]

My opinion on aliases like that is if the alias is actually used, it should stay. Otherwise it's a waste of space.

15:40:22 [HairMetalAddict]

There's similar aliases for artists like "Phil Lewis of L.A. Guns" because of P2Pers tagging things like that.

15:41:00 [HairMetalAddict]

In this case, noone's used any of the 4 aliases listed, so I don't see why they were added.

15:41:52 [HairMetalAddict]

Though I see you only just added 2 of them.

15:42:25 [HairMetalAddict]

Bleh, I'd keep it. It's been used even though it shows 0. http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=3647768

15:48:17 [Muz]

OH dear god

15:48:23 [Muz]

* Muz doesn't want to add this Trance album :(

15:48:48 [HairMetalAddict]

* HairMetalAddict doesn't want to add ANY trance albums, but...

15:49:06 [Muz]

* Muz sends some Nirvana hma's way >:D

15:49:44 [HairMetalAddict]

* HairMetalAddict slaps Muz around a bit with Kurt's corpse

15:53:39 [enjayhch]

* enjayhch wonders how the TRM server copes with calculating all those TRMs

15:54:06 [ojnkpjg]

i'm fine with aliases like that so long as they don't cause adverse affects

15:54:16 [ojnkpjg]

but i really don't want to see that artist when i search for a tribe called quest

15:54:27 [ojnkpjg]

effects, too

15:54:38 [Muz]

enjayhch, a complex system of wheels, pulleys and hamsters

15:54:54 [enjayhch]

oh those poor hamsters

15:58:11 [enjayhch]

hm

15:58:23 [HairMetalAddict]

Harvey the Wonder Hamster!

15:58:25 [enjayhch]

* enjayhch wonders if there is a way of store an MD5 of the audio in ID3

15:58:34 [ojnkpjg]

comment fields

15:58:40 [ojnkpjg]

er, text, or whatever they want to call them

15:58:42 [enjayhch]

standard way?

15:58:53 [ojnkpjg]

i don't know, id3v24 includes just about everything

15:58:55 [ojnkpjg]

flac does it

15:59:39 [HairMetalAddict]

* HairMetalAddict put a refrigerator with a six-pack of beer in one of his id3v24 tags

15:59:45 [inhouseuk]

HairMetalAddict: just the person! can you give another 'no' vote on http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4178990 cheers :)

15:59:58 [Muz]

Shame that WinAmp doesn't support 2.4...

16:00:03 [Muz]

Oh wait, Winamp is shit

16:00:03 [Muz]

My bad

16:00:20 [ojnkpjg]

it still doesn't?

16:00:24 [Muz]

Nope

16:00:28 [ojnkpjg]

the last version of itunes finally did

16:00:32 [enjayhch]

correctly?

16:00:37 [HairMetalAddict]

Er, taking your word for it. I normally abstain for non-English/non-Swedish stuff. ;-)

16:00:39 [ojnkpjg]

i don't know, well enough

16:00:50 [Muz]

ojnkpjg, iTunes has had 2.4 support for a while

16:00:59 [enjayhch]

iTunes caused IDv2.4 to generally be fucked up

16:01:02 [ojnkpjg]

ok, maybe it just didn't support utf8

16:01:04 [Muz]

I've got iTunes5 and the latest version is 6, and 2.4 works here fine

16:01:24 [Scytale]

Does it make sense adding a new "Single" for iTMS versions?

16:01:38 [inhouseuk]

HairMetalAddict: it's a simple case of cyrillic to latin translit on that one

16:01:46 [ojnkpjg]

i think it's better than non-album track

16:02:03 [enjayhch]

iTunes doesn't do Unsynchronisation on the integer fields

16:02:06 [HairMetalAddict]

It's all Greek to me. :-P

16:02:11 [inhouseuk]

:)

16:02:18 [inhouseuk]

russian !

16:02:37 [enjayhch]

which means that other programs can't read its tags properly

16:02:40 [Scytale]

ojnkpjg: Yes, because it's more than one track; it's a version of the single I can't find anywhere with these remixes and in that order

16:03:40 [inhouseuk]

Muz: you know about the security problem with winamp 5.12? If you're using it, upgrade to 5.13 immediately!

16:03:41 [ojnkpjg]

itunes only touches files on the read-only mount

16:03:47 [ojnkpjg]

i don't trust it

16:04:03 [ojnkpjg]

but i need to use it to put songs on my ipod

16:04:15 [Muz]

ojnkpjg, I'm using iTunes 5.0.0.35 lol

16:05:35 [ojnkpjg]

soon enough apple with break something that forces you to upgrade

16:07:04 [nikki_]

brrrr

16:07:46 [inhouseuk]

* inhouseuk wanders off to do stuff

16:09:05 [nikki_]

* nikki_ reads up

16:09:28 [nikki_]

itunes had some support for 2.4 for ages, but didn't add utf-8 support until recently

16:12:14 [Shepard]

i love how bottles of sparkling water explode when they fall to the ground

16:12:25 [Shepard]

and i cut myself again, this time with shards -.-

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16:56:21 [nikki_]

haha, I dug out the birthdays script I've had lying around for months

16:56:33 [nikki_]

François Devienne is 247 (born in 1759)

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* nikki_ looks for the bug

17:04:28 [nikki_]

bah

17:04:36 [nikki_]

it was a commented out "next;"

17:06:48 [enjayhch]

arggggh, perl is so crap at ID3v2

17:06:57 [nikki_]

tell me about it

17:07:05 [enjayhch]

no parsing support for UFID frames :(

17:07:12 [nikki_]

hmm.

17:07:24 [nikki_]

I've managed to get UFID frames out

17:07:31 [enjayhch]

have you?

17:07:31 [HairMetalAddict]

?

17:07:33 [HairMetalAddict]

Me too.

17:07:40 [enjayhch]

which module?

17:07:45 [nikki_]

but maybe I was using MP3::Mplib

17:08:00 [enjayhch]

is that any good?

17:08:10 [nikki_]

not particularly.

17:08:20 [nikki_]

I could have sworn I've done it since I ditched that one...

17:08:47 [HairMetalAddict]

I used MP3::Tag

17:09:13 [enjayhch]

well I can't get MP3::Tag to do it

17:09:22 [nikki_]

* nikki_ searches

17:09:33 [enjayhch]

did you do $id3v2->get_frame('UFID') ?

17:10:07 [HairMetalAddict]

$mp3 = MP3::Tag->new($mp3loc);

17:10:07 [HairMetalAddict]

$mp3->get_tags();

17:10:07 [HairMetalAddict]

$id3v2 = $mp3->{ID3v2};

17:10:08 [HairMetalAddict]

@data = $id3v2->get_frame("UFID");

17:10:08 [HairMetalAddict]

$info = $data[0];

17:10:08 [HairMetalAddict]

$trackid = %$info->{'_Data'};

17:10:08 [enjayhch]

and eyeD3 --unique-file-id=http://musicbrainz.org:bar /var/audio/Oldies/000655.mp3 doesn;t work

17:10:26 [HairMetalAddict]

Something like that. Not pretty code, but it worked.

17:10:43 [nikki_]

* nikki_ needs to organise her hard drive

17:11:05 [enjayhch]

* enjayhch tries again

17:11:13 [nikki_]

my (undef,@ufid_frames) = $id3v2->get_frames("UFID");

17:11:23 [nikki_]

that's what I used

17:12:15 [Shepard]

would you expand "alt." to alternate or alternative?

17:12:27 [HairMetalAddict]

alternate

17:13:21 [HairMetalAddict]

Usually followed by "version", and "alternative version" sounds like a Soundgarden remix or something. ;-)

17:15:37 [Shepard]

mix in this case

17:15:48 [enjayhch]

ooh, yay, $info->{'_Data'} works, thanks HairMetalAddict

17:16:14 [HairMetalAddict]

Of course it works. It says right on my MB profile that I'm never wrong. ;-)

17:16:19 [HairMetalAddict]

hehehehehehehe

17:16:55 [enjayhch]

now I just need to work out how to write them

17:17:07 [HairMetalAddict]

That and the above code came from a script I used to create my website database of music.

17:17:53 [HairMetalAddict]

Er... Never wrote tags with a script, just read them. So can't help with that.

17:18:59 [enjayhch]

how did you get them there?

17:19:11 [HairMetalAddict]

MBTagger (via WINE)

17:19:27 [HairMetalAddict]

All 16,900 of them. :-P

17:19:33 [enjayhch]

:-P

17:19:39 [enjayhch]

well done!

17:20:25 [HairMetalAddict]

Yeah, I was wanting to shoot myself by the time I got them all done. Esp. since I had to add most of the albums to MB myself first... me and my obscure 80's hair metal bands...

17:20:53 [HairMetalAddict]

But on the other hand, it got me in the Top all-time moderators. ;-)

17:21:10 [ojnkpjg]

if you think 17000 is bad, try 50k

17:21:46 [ojnkpjg]

i was using mbtagger in vmware for a long time

17:21:49 [ojnkpjg]

which is a joy

17:21:54 [HairMetalAddict]

You tag 50,000 with Ye Olde MBTagger that only barely works with WINE first, then I'll try. ;-)

17:22:32 [HairMetalAddict]

* HairMetalAddict wonders if he can find 50,000 more 80's hair metal MP3s to tag. That would rule...!

17:22:36 [ojnkpjg]

hehe

17:22:45 [ojnkpjg]

i don't think i could get mbtagger running in wine

17:22:52 [ojnkpjg]

i forget what was wrong

17:23:04 [ojnkpjg]

would have been a hell of a lot better than vmware

17:23:05 [HairMetalAddict]

Well, I cheated with that. Crossover

17:23:08 [ojnkpjg]

oh

17:23:25 [HairMetalAddict]

Gotta install *shiver* IE first.

17:23:26 [ojnkpjg]

but, yeah, it is painful

17:24:23 [HairMetalAddict]

But I guess I do need IE too, to see how bad that monstrosity screws up my perfect standards-compliant sites. Grrr...

17:24:34 [ojnkpjg]

tell me about that, too

17:24:57 [MBChatLogger]

I hate the evil empire

17:24:57 [ojnkpjg]

microsoft made the wise decision to ignore only some of the most useful css properties

17:25:24 [ojnkpjg]

i'm sure it supports text chasing your cursor, just fine, though

17:26:12 [HairMetalAddict]

yup

17:26:18 [nikki_]

enjayhch: I use Data::Dumper a lot to see the structure of what badly documentated functions return ;)

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18:07:17 [Muz]

Mmm it's so satisfying and rewarding seeing changes you've done on MB reflect on last.fm hehehe :D

18:09:39 [HairMetalAddict]

Oooh, did my Artist Name Change from "Metallica" to "Money Hungry Bastards, Inc." show up on last.fm?

18:10:28 [Muz]

: P

18:11:02 [Muz]

Nah, I mean the artist links to external sites and albums and band member stuff, it makes the last.fm artist pages look nicer and more complete

18:11:15 [HairMetalAddict]

* HairMetalAddict watches a dozen people in the chat rush to the Metallica page on MB to see if I actually did that.

18:11:19 [Shepard]

*sigh* the thunderbird mail editor is such a crap when it comes to quoting

18:12:36 [nikki_]

* nikki_ loves her lovely quoted messages thanks to vim :)

18:14:11 [Shepard]

either it puts no empty lines between the quoted text and your own of one too much. and all because of these damn lines it shows instead of the actual quote chars

18:15:32 [Shepard]

you can turn those lines off with some tricky prefs (in a text file you have to create in your profile dir of course), but only for the mail viewer, not for the mail editor

18:15:52 [Shepard]

long live the open source!

18:18:50 [Shepard]

today sucks

18:18:59 [Shepard]

* Shepard opens a beer on goes to take a bath

18:21:38 [chocomon]

* chocomon plays God Forgive Me - Madcon (Absolute Music 31)

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18:23:34 [nikki_]

I got a reply from the spanish person I asked, but someone already made the spanish capitalisation page...

18:23:40 [nikki_]

hi yalaforge!

18:23:43 [yalaforge]

hey

18:24:39 [enjayhch]

anyone used Audio::TagLib before?

18:25:05 [yalaforge]

nope

18:25:06 [enjayhch]

it has a kind of weird C++ like API, but looks quite complete

18:27:34 [ojnkpjg]

does it do 2.4 and utf8?

18:28:05 [chocomon]

fmi, what's wrong with "waffle"?

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18:28:22 [luks]

ojnkpjg: taglib is currently the best tagging library around

18:28:38 [ojnkpjg]

ah

18:28:43 [ojnkpjg]

i'll have to check it out then :)

18:29:33 [luks]

and probably the only one that is still actively developed :)

18:30:06 [enjayhch]

but

18:30:07 [enjayhch]

my $i = Audio::TagLib::ID3v2::UniqueFileIdentifierFrame->new(

18:30:07 [enjayhch]

Audio::TagLib::ByteVector->new(""));

18:30:07 [enjayhch]

$i->setOwner(Audio::TagLib::String->new("blah"));

18:30:08 [enjayhch]

is odd

18:30:12 [enjayhch]

(in perl)

18:30:38 [nikki_]

it's perl, of course it's odd :)

18:30:39 [luks]

yep, it's designed for KDE-style C++

18:30:54 [luks]

and KDE guys like namespeces a lot :)

18:30:58 [ojnkpjg]

hehe

18:31:11 [enjayhch]

maybe I can put up with that if it works :)

18:32:19 [yalaforge]

luks: do you have admin access to trac? to trac.ini, I mean

18:32:24 [luks]

yes

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18:32:42 [yalaforge]

how about fixing the svn repository setting?

18:32:52 [yalaforge]

we could browse the svn repository using trac then

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18:33:25 [luks]

the pimpmytunes repository?

18:33:40 [yalaforge]

yup. there's more code in there now

18:33:40 [ojnkpjg]

what is pimpmytunes?

18:33:51 [ojnkpjg]

is this the command-line based tagger?

18:33:55 [luks]

yep

18:33:58 [nikki_]

* nikki_ draws on a map

18:33:59 [ojnkpjg]

is it python?

18:34:04 [yalaforge]

yes

18:34:36 [yalaforge]

the svn repo contains example xml for the web service, too. I'd like to link to it from the wiki

18:34:55 [luks]

ok, wait a sec

18:35:00 [yalaforge]

thanks

18:36:30 [nikki_]

http://lmfao.org.uk/europe_capitalisation50.png whee...

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18:39:03 [ojnkpjg]

sicily has crashed into southern italy

18:39:21 [nikki_]

that's just 'cause a 19px paintbrush doesn't do detail very well

18:39:25 [ojnkpjg]

hehe

18:39:40 [Scytale]

Ah, .uk is now Ukraine?

18:39:40 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge thinks it looks like a plan for an invasion

18:39:40 [nikki_]

I wasn't going to go around all the countries and make sure I got all the borders right!

18:39:43 [nikki_]

no

18:40:00 [nikki_]

uk = ukrainian

18:40:06 [ojnkpjg]

so you say

18:40:26 [nikki_]

ua = ukraine

18:40:27 [Scytale]

dk = danish?

18:40:31 [Scytale]

I don't get it :)

18:40:47 [nikki_]

yes

18:41:12 [Muz]

dk = donkey kong ;)

18:41:31 [nikki_]

oh

18:41:32 [nikki_]

oops

18:41:40 [nikki_]

da is danish, dk is denmark...

18:43:59 [nikki_]

ojnkpjg: if you notice, england has crashed into france too :)

18:44:10 [nikki_]

and sweden into denmark...

18:44:17 [ojnkpjg]

makes travel easier

18:44:24 [nikki_]

and those estonian islands into latvia

18:44:40 [nikki_]

and all the greek islands, except crete, sunk

18:44:46 [ojnkpjg]

hehe

18:45:13 [nikki_]

corsica and sardinia crashed, so did mallorca and menorca

18:45:37 [nikki_]

and gb and ireland...

18:45:48 [Scytale]

And what's the use of that map?

18:45:50 [nikki_]

* nikki_ accidentally destroyed europe :/

18:45:54 [nikki_]

Scytale: I like maps

18:46:00 [ojnkpjg]

it's a post-apocalyptic europe

18:46:14 [ojnkpjg]

only everybody will be speaking esperanto by then, i'm sure

18:46:38 [nikki_]

they can't do that, we don't have a capitalisation standard for esperanto!

18:47:41 [Muz]

IT's Europe after USA is done crapping all over it in 10 years time ;)

18:47:53 [nikki_]

Scytale: it's a rough visual guide to which languages we have capitalisation standards for

18:48:48 [Scytale]

Ah, okay. I should open my eyes a bit more, I was reading "capitalismisation" or sth in the file na,e

18:48:49 [nikki_]

in europe, that is

18:48:58 [Scytale]

s/a,/am/

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19:01:49 [chocomon]

today was the crappies day. evar

19:02:07 [Muz]

* Muz would wager there's been worse

19:02:13 [chocomon]

no

19:02:32 [Scytale]

What happen?

19:02:51 [Scytale]

.oO( Somebody set up us the bomb... )

19:02:55 [chocomon]

someone set up us the substitute teacher

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19:04:18 [Scytale]

We get angry?

19:04:51 [chocomon]

no time for crying.

19:05:05 [chocomon]

T_T

19:05:47 [chocomon]

first thing I wake yo at 8:00

19:05:52 [chocomon]

overslept.

19:05:59 [chocomon]

the car comes her at 8:15

19:06:14 [chocomon]

never have I gotten ready as fast in my life

19:07:03 [chocomon]

my teacher that I need there will not be there next time. this was her last day

19:07:19 [chocomon]

I don't understand what the lexture is about. deltas wtf anyone?

19:07:51 [chocomon]

the subsititute teacher is a nice person I've met befopre. this is the only redeemign factor of today

19:08:08 [chocomon]

but she's not as good at expalining wtf is goign down as my other teacher is

19:08:33 [Shepard]

uh.. I'm not even one hour away and nikki destroyed europe *shakes his head*

19:08:43 [chocomon]

I'm depressed

19:08:54 [chocomon]

because as I return home here. I missed sen

19:09:00 [chocomon]

>.< I HATE TODAY!!!

19:09:17 [Shepard]

:/

19:09:19 [chocomon]

:/

19:09:31 [Shepard]

yeah today is a bad day

19:09:41 [chocomon]

atleast you guys are my friends and wotn just leave in about 4 monts.. right?

19:09:47 [Shepard]

but hey, there are only 4 hours left for us

19:09:55 [Shepard]

right

19:10:11 [chocomon]

* chocomon plays Shine - Aswad (Absolute Reggae 3)

19:10:15 [chocomon]

^^

19:10:35 [Shepard]

* Shepard np: Bobby McFerrin - Don't Worry Be Happy (03:54min)

19:10:36 [Shepard]

:D

19:10:56 [Shepard]

just for you mo

19:11:01 [chocomon]

:D

19:11:04 [nikki_]

* nikki_ suggests that chocomon listens to something happy like minihamuzu no ai no uta *<:D

19:11:05 [chocomon]

yay shep

19:11:16 [chocomon]

no. thats only goig nt odepress me

19:11:20 [nikki_]

aww :(

19:11:22 [chocomon]

plus I'm not i nthe mood for minimony

19:11:38 [Muz]

Wig Wam

19:11:44 [Muz]

It's all a norwegian guy can ask for :D

19:11:46 [chocomon]

been listenig to the 4th track on minimoni album songs 2

19:11:51 [chocomon]

blah

19:12:01 [chocomon]

I'd rather have glucifer or Rex Rudi

19:12:11 [nikki_]

* nikki_ goes back to accidentally destroying the world

19:12:11 [ojnkpjg]

the way to beat a bad day is by eating brie

19:12:15 [chocomon]

lol

19:12:18 [Muz]

:o Brie! :D

19:12:22 [chocomon]

that did make me laugh when I saw it

19:12:34 [Shepard]

James LaBrie?

19:12:34 [Muz]

* Muz spent about 10 minutes this morning explaining to #audioscrobbler how Brie and decent bread is awesome

19:12:36 [chocomon]

btw. whats wrogn with "waffle"?

19:12:44 [Shepard]

don't destroy the world nikki :/

19:12:47 [Shepard]

we still need it

19:12:47 [ojnkpjg]

you were right to

19:12:48 [Scytale]

It makes me hungry.

19:13:04 [Muz]

* Muz can smell food so goes to investigate

19:13:16 [chocomon]

* chocomon had finbiff :>

19:13:21 [nikki_]

finbiff?

19:13:22 [chocomon]

my mom made the day alot better

19:13:25 [chocomon]

hmm

19:13:58 [chocomon]

bits of raindear meat with venesinsauce, potatoes & carrots

19:14:06 [chocomon]

raindeer?

19:14:11 [Scytale]

Reindeer.

19:14:13 [nikki_]

reindeer

19:14:15 [chocomon]

da

19:14:18 [chocomon]

danke

19:14:25 [ojnkpjg]

what does reindeer taste like?

19:14:30 [chocomon]

* chocomon laughs

19:14:32 [chocomon]

it tastes..

19:14:34 [Scytale]

Chicken. :)

19:14:39 [chocomon]

reindeer-y

19:14:41 [ojnkpjg]

hehe

19:14:45 [ojnkpjg]

i figured that was coming :P

19:14:48 [chocomon]

its quite good

19:14:56 [chocomon]

not liek chicken at all thoghu

19:15:02 [chocomon]

its.. venecin liek i'd asume

19:15:06 [chocomon]

* chocomon never had venecin

19:15:18 [ojnkpjg]

i stopped eating red meat a few years ago

19:15:23 [chocomon]

hmm

19:15:25 [Scytale]

I've had a Venician once, she was great...

19:15:31 [chocomon]

well it was i nthe freezer anyway

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19:15:51 [Shepard]

eating reindeer? awww poor reindeer

19:15:53 [chocomon]

and the mandelpotatoes where FANTASTIC!

19:16:07 [chocomon]

:d

19:16:17 [chocomon]

psh

19:16:35 [chocomon]

I think eating reindeer is about as ordinary here as.. wel turkey over the pond

19:16:45 [Shepard]

* Shepard takes a look at his reindeer wallpaper he shot in sweden

19:16:49 [Shepard]

:,(

19:16:49 [chocomon]

its for special ocasions or rare treat. but noting odd about it

19:17:08 [chocomon]

Shepard da :(

19:17:13 [chocomon]

you're makign me sad

19:17:14 [Shepard]

that is i shot the photo not the reindeer^^

19:17:22 [chocomon]

I figured

19:17:23 [chocomon]

but

19:17:23 [nikki_]

* nikki_ laughs

19:17:32 [chocomon]

hey reindeer live a wild lovely life all their life

19:17:48 [chocomon]

its better than pigs or cows or whatever. we treat them horrible before we kill to eat them

19:17:53 [nikki_]

poor animals! poor plants! we keep murdering them all! :(

19:17:55 [Shepard]

that's true

19:17:58 [chocomon]

atleast reindeer gets to live as naturally as possible

19:18:21 [Shepard]

yeah nikki but you're worst, you destroy europe and then the world

19:18:29 [chocomon]

Necronom: stfu I refuse to be a antiherbcarnivor

19:18:36 [Shepard]

bad nikki, not nice!

19:18:40 [nikki_]

* nikki_ chuckles evilly!

19:18:40 [chocomon]

what do yo ucall someone hone who wotn even eat plants?

19:18:46 [chocomon]

what are you left with?

19:18:49 [chocomon]

chewing gum?

19:18:50 [chocomon]

:p

19:18:52 [nikki_]

a skeleton

19:18:54 [chocomon]

necro?

19:18:55 [chocomon]

wtf

19:18:55 [Shepard]

lol

19:19:00 [chocomon]

I meant nikki :p sorry

19:19:06 [chocomon]

lol nikki

19:19:15 [nikki_]

* nikki_ was joking, obviously

19:19:21 [chocomon]

I know

19:19:24 [chocomon]

so was I :)

19:19:29 [nikki_]

aah, good

19:19:59 [chocomon]

I meant ot add a ':P' but it got lost soemwhere betwene nect oand nikki

19:20:03 [chocomon]

:)

19:20:13 [chocomon]

necro even

19:20:23 [chocomon]

Necronom and necto

19:20:25 [chocomon]

eek

19:20:31 [Shepard]

nechto13?

19:20:37 [chocomon]

ya

19:20:41 [chocomon]

!rank

19:20:41 [BrainzBot]

Rank 3: chocomo (117638 chars)

19:20:49 [Shepard]

oO

19:20:54 [chocomon]

!highscore

19:20:57 [Shepard]

* Shepard np: Bruce Hornsby & The Range - Mandolin Rain (05:19min)

19:20:58 [chocomon]

no uh

19:21:03 [chocomon]

* chocomon plays I Can See Clearly Now - Johnny Nash (Absolute Reggae 3)

19:21:04 [Shepard]

hmm

19:21:13 [Shepard]

i must tag all that

19:21:16 [chocomon]

!score

19:21:16 [BrainzBot]

Rank 3: chocomo (117704 chars)

19:21:21 [chocomon]

damn

19:21:25 [chocomon]

I know there is a

19:21:26 [chocomon]

wait

19:21:30 [chocomon]

!top 5

19:21:35 [chocomon]

!top5

19:21:40 [chocomon]

!topten

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!topblah I stopped caring and I'm spammign the channel and I'm starting to get why nikki blocked these !'s

19:22:14 [Shepard]

Mmmm pancake

19:22:16 [ojnkpjg]

hat is the rank thing?

19:22:18 [ojnkpjg]

!rank

19:22:18 [BrainzBot]

Rank 12: ojnkpjg (46926 chars)

19:22:31 [chocomon]

!chart

19:22:41 [chocomon]

BrainzBot I hate you

19:22:42 [Muz]

!spam

19:22:46 [Muz]

XD

19:22:49 [chocomon]

!sex

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19:22:51 [Muz]

chocomon, you're not alone on that one

19:22:54 [ojnkpjg]

a

19:22:56 [chocomon]

huhuu

19:22:56 [ojnkpjg]

ha

19:23:11 [chocomon]

* chocomon resisted to add 'butt' to it

19:23:17 [Muz]

I was referring to the hating the bot, not the sex thing

19:23:22 [chocomon]

aww

19:23:26 [ojnkpjg]

[14:22] <chocomon> !sex

19:23:28 [ojnkpjg]

[J/14:22/pankkake/n=anus@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-217-231.adsl.proxad.net]

19:23:31 [chocomon]

uhm

19:23:34 [chocomon]

stfu ojnkpjg :P

19:23:37 [Shepard]

lol

19:23:44 [Muz]

* Muz laughs

19:23:47 [chocomon]

*o_o*

19:23:53 [chocomon]

* chocomon rolls around laughing

19:23:58 [Shepard]

*hic*

19:27:03 [Muz]

* Muz fires up xine and Little Britain :D

19:27:27 [chocomon]

eek nikki watch out!

19:28:26 [chocomon]

* chocomon plays for more metal like ones: Ace of Spades (live) - Motörhead (Ace of Spades)

19:28:48 [chocomon]

!rank 1

19:28:48 [BrainzBot]

Rank 1: nechto13 (123910 chars)

19:28:52 [nikki_]

hm?

19:28:52 [chocomon]

haha!

19:29:02 [chocomon]

* Muz fires up xine and Little Britain :D

19:29:02 [chocomon]

<chocomon> eek nikki watch out!

19:29:10 [Muz]

Huh?

19:29:12 [chocomon]

it was a dumb joke :/

19:29:15 [Shepard]

she gets support

19:29:24 [Muz]

* Muz doesn't get it

19:29:40 [chocomon]

this is perhaps because I have no idea what " Little Britain" is

19:29:54 [Muz]

Ah, it's only one of the bestest comedies ever

19:29:55 [Shepard]

[19:46:33] * nikki_ accidentally destroyed europe :/

19:29:56 [Shepard]

[20:13:00] * nikki_ goes back to accidentally destroying the world

19:29:59 [Shepard]

[20:27:54] * Muz fires up xine and Little Britain :D

19:30:02 [Muz]

British comedies at that too

19:30:43 [chocomon]

I read that as Little Britain being fired up, eg pelted with napalm

19:30:50 [chocomon]

:/ :P

19:30:51 [Muz]

Ahhh

19:31:59 [Muz]

"People in Britain do all manners of things for kicks. Some lick stamps, others sit on chairs"

19:32:07 [chocomon]

lol

19:34:01 [chocomon]

eeeeek

19:34:08 [chocomon]

I gotta go, brb

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19:34:35 [Muz]

MBChatLogger off

19:34:44 [Muz]

Hmm

19:34:51 [nikki_]

MBChatLogger: off

19:34:51 [MBChatLogger]

is not logging

19:35:16 [MBChatLogger]

is logging

19:35:22 [Muz]

Aha, darned colons

19:35:28 [nikki_]

:)

19:43:16 [GURT]

luks: thanks for that post! i will try it out once i wake up

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19:49:04 [luks]

you're welcome

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20:07:46 [Shepard]

this is the most complex tracklisting I've ever seen: http://193.138.231.156/~cover/?fCall=ShowImage&vId=74707&vType=Back

20:07:52 [Shepard]

and causing me headaches

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20:14:35 [pankkake]

if some day I become an artist and release an album, I promise to do worse

20:15:03 [Shepard]

you can enter it yourself then :)

20:15:08 [chocomo]

haha

20:15:35 [chocomo]

* chocomo plays Dream On - Aerosmith (Aerosmith)

20:22:26 [chocomo]

eek

20:22:27 [chocomo]

http://musicbrainz.org/newsearch.html?limit=0&table=track&search=Puer+natus+est+nobis

20:22:59 [chocomo]

once the new album edit is online where you can add ARs easily. I'll fix that

20:24:22 [ojnkpjg]

i could one-up you on the complex track listing, if i could find a picture online somewhere

20:28:07 [GURT]

reminds me of the last mar volta album

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* ruaok rolls in and gives inhouseuk a dirty look for his 'adult discussion' comment

20:28:47 [chocomo]

hi ruaok

20:28:52 [ruaok]

hi mo!

20:29:26 [Shepard]

mahlzeit

20:29:39 [chocomo]

hvafforno'+

20:29:41 [chocomo]

?

20:29:43 [nikki_]

moin ruaok

20:29:54 [ruaok]

moin Shepard, nikki_

20:30:08 [yalaforge]

morgen

20:30:32 [ruaok]

morgen, wie gehts?

20:30:50 [yalaforge]

gutgut, danke. und selbst?

20:30:57 [ruaok]

geht.

20:31:07 [ruaok]

my day keeps getting more shifted. went to bed at 4am.

20:31:17 [yalaforge]

:-/

20:31:35 [chocomo]

* chocomo curses at the remaining 2:30 hours left of this day

20:31:42 [chocomo]

be over, you asshatt

20:32:02 [ruaok]

wow. chocomo is pissed?

20:32:07 [chocomo]

no

20:32:16 [chocomo]

jus sad because today is a crap day

20:32:22 [chocomo]

a crapfest of crappdays

20:32:28 [chocomo]

the queen of all crappy days

20:32:29 [ruaok]

aih. no bueno.

20:32:33 [nikki_]

* nikki_ gives mo a hug

20:32:37 [chocomo]

aww thanks

20:32:39 [ruaok]

* ruaok hopes his day will go well

20:32:45 [ojnkpjg]

at least you didn't lose an eye

20:32:49 [ojnkpjg]

that'd be worse

20:32:58 [nikki_]

or a hand

20:33:01 [chocomo]

meh aLMOST did with al this bawling

20:33:04 [chocomo]

merf caps

20:33:19 [Shepard]

at least nikki didn't destroy norway!

20:33:23 [chocomo]

arg! just now this candle went haywire

20:33:24 [chocomo]

arg

20:33:25 [nikki_]

did too!

20:33:27 [chocomo]

brb gotta fix

20:33:38 [chocomo]

so I got you to blame eh?

20:33:39 [chocomo]

:pp

20:34:18 [nikki_]

yeah

20:34:34 [Shepard]

the evil overlordess

20:34:58 [Shepard]

(overlady would not sound as evil)

20:35:21 [nikki_]

>:)

20:36:44 [chocomo]

lol

20:41:08 [ojnkpjg]

too much like overlay

20:41:20 [ojnkpjg]

which isn't evil at all, really

20:43:00 [inhouseuk]

ruaok: yes, sorry, it was probably uncalled for. I realise the potentially several thousand non-musicians to the DB could cause problems with the monitoring and misuse of them. However, it was frustrating to suddently get a 'no it is not being done' when I was actually doing some investigation into how the scope of those non-musicians can be limited and formulating possible solutions to...

20:43:01 [inhouseuk]

...prevent misuse of them. Obviously, allowing unlimited levels of family tree is impossible and I believe with some thought, plus a little code tweeking this can be prevented, whilst still allowing them to be added where there is a direct relationship.

20:45:41 [ruaok]

'tis ok, inhouseuk... we're two days into a new regime, so we're having to adjust.

20:46:03 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge grins

20:46:30 [ruaok]

the problem I see is that if we don't restrict it in any way, we can basically keep track of the geneology for all of human kind, which is certainly not the aim of this project.

20:46:48 [chocomo]

GeneBrainz?

20:46:51 [chocomo]

:>

20:46:53 [chocomo]

* chocomo plays The Radio Said Rock 'n' Roll Is Dead - Rose Tattoo (Angry Metal)

20:46:55 [ruaok]

this is just one of many gut-wrenching decisions I will soon be facing.

20:47:33 [ruaok]

alas. sometimes it'd be nice to drop the benevolent part of my title. >:-)

20:50:49 [ruaok]

* ruaok is a dumbass, just for the record

20:51:01 [yalaforge]

hail to the king ;-)

20:51:16 [ruaok]

you mean, hail to the dumbass ?

20:52:01 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge grins and refuses to answer

20:52:03 [nikki_]

have you asked your ass about its opinion on being called dumb?

20:52:08 [yalaforge]

how can you ask such questions!

20:53:33 [chocomo]

* chocomo falls down laughing

20:55:03 [inhouseuk]

ruaok: agreed! But it should be fairly easy to lock down, by restricting what can be done with a non-musician artist and ensuring when one is added it has a direct relationship to a musician. non-musician to non-musician relationships obviously need to be prevented (except in certain conditions where they both have a relationship with the same musician)

20:56:45 [ruaok]

yalaforge: http://musicbrainz.org/development/mmd/

20:57:03 [yalaforge]

great, thanks rob!

20:57:10 [ruaok]

yalaforge: np

20:57:30 [ruaok]

inhouseuk: yes, I can see the logic in those rules. I still need to ponder this more.

20:58:05 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge is glad he's not in charge here :-)

20:58:47 [nikki_]

* nikki_ too, it would leave her too little time to draw on maps :P

20:59:13 [ruaok]

too little time... that about sums it up.

20:59:23 [ruaok]

oh hey, networking geeks... check this out: cari.net

20:59:48 [ruaok]

http://www.cari.net/Dedicated-Servers/Linux-Server-Options/Single-Processor-Servers.php

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21:00:14 [ruaok]

a celeron D dedicated box with FOUR mbits/s traffic for $59/month !!

21:00:28 [ruaok]

wow. that should be good for an FTP / lucene index server...

21:02:23 [inhouseuk]

that's cheap

21:03:39 [ruaok]

very much so. and now I want to wrangle them down further and get a non-profit discount.

21:04:04 [ruaok]

but this very nicely serves as a platform for us to sholve out boat-loads of lucene indexes

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21:04:41 [chocomo]

:O I have 137 new emails

21:05:23 [nikki_]

how many are modbot?

21:05:41 [chocomo]

3

21:05:46 [chocomo]

46 smap

21:05:49 [chocomo]

spam

21:06:30 [yalaforge]

maybe we can distribute indexes via bittorrent, too

21:06:43 [inhouseuk]

* inhouseuk rarely sees spam

21:06:57 [ruaok]

yalaforge: yes.

21:07:01 [ojnkpjg]

you're missing out on quality timepieces

21:07:15 [ruaok]

I'm thinking of using osprey.ibiblio.org (IIRC)

21:07:28 [ruaok]

ojnkpjg: and a larger penis

21:07:39 [chocomo]

erh o_O

21:07:39 [yalaforge]

:-)

21:07:41 [ojnkpjg]

and c1@l15

21:08:00 [chocomo]

its mostly stock shit

21:08:01 [ojnkpjg]

one of my favorite spams is the "hard rock cock" cialias spam

21:08:04 [ojnkpjg]

or maybe it's levitra

21:08:05 [chocomo]

wtf I dont have stocks

21:08:05 [ojnkpjg]

i forget

21:08:18 [ruaok]

nor a cock. :-)

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21:08:33 [chocomo]

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21:08:36 [chocomo]

to lead a neconomic boom. Big news expected from this next winner:

21:08:38 [teleGUISE]

Hey all...

21:08:38 [ruaok]

or wait, is that the other way around?

21:08:38 [chocomo]

Symbol: NSLT

21:08:40 [chocomo]

"

21:08:42 [yalaforge]

did anyone of you ever reply?

21:08:49 [chocomo]

ruaok: STFU

21:08:50 [Shepard]

what happened with the nice people in this chan? where are they gone?

21:08:52 [ruaok]

teleGUISE: hi!

21:09:04 [Shepard]

hi tele

21:09:22 [teleGUISE]

wow... ru's in a good mood!! not that that is rare or anything :O

21:09:47 [ruaok]

teleGUISE: why am I known to be crabby? (dont answer that)

21:09:54 [teleGUISE]

Shepard: what do you mean by disc id on the ReleaseAnnotationStyle page?

21:10:08 [inhouseuk]

teleGUISE: probably because he is busy spending other peoples money

21:10:22 [teleGUISE]

ru: ho..ho.humm.hmmm..la..tee.da.da

21:10:33 [ruaok]

* ruaok sighs

21:10:34 [nikki_]

ruaok: no

21:10:36 [teleGUISE]

that always makes me happy too :)

21:10:37 [Shepard]

teleGUISE: you know, one of the basic concepts on MB is that we have disc ids... ;)

21:10:58 [teleGUISE]

Shepard: So your putting the disc id into the annotation field ?

21:11:31 [Shepard]

i do that if there are multiple releases and i know where it belongs to

21:11:41 [Shepard]

same for multiple discogs releases

21:11:46 [Shepard]

it's all about identifying!

21:12:34 [teleGUISE]

oh.. ok gotcha where its possible the same track order/album id has 2 or more disc id's and you match it to the known release catalog/label data

21:12:35 [ruaok]

I need a volunteer... to write up a FAQ entry on how to add ASINs for cover art.

21:12:41 [ruaok]

anyone care to volunteer?

21:13:06 [yalaforge]

it's getting silent ...

21:13:13 [teleGUISE]

ruaok: question did we go backwards on a server update?

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21:13:48 [yalaforge]

nikki_: do you know how that ASIN stuff works?

21:13:49 [teleGUISE]

ruaok: meaning I thought certain features/functions were corrected/implemented and now they don't seem to be in effect

21:14:03 [nikki_]

nope!

21:14:23 [yalaforge]

who knows? I'll help to write that entry, but I don't know how it works :-)

21:14:28 [chocomo]

how big exactly would this FAQ be?

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21:14:32 [nikki_]

well, I know how to add them

21:14:37 [nikki_]

but I don't know how the code works

21:14:39 [teleGUISE]

Shepard: did I get the general idea?

21:14:41 [chocomo]

if its just a simple 'how you id it' bit I coudl do it

21:15:07 [yalaforge]

where do we put it? some page on the wiki?

21:15:19 [Shepard]

teleGUISE: yes

21:15:21 [teleGUISE]

How come everytime I ask about this server update .. mumm aka none is the word?? Is that a horror topic i missed

21:15:45 [Shepard]

if someone writes this FAQ entry, please place it here: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ModerationFAQ?highlight=%28cover+art%29#head-83e36dd6310cc99189ec71fdb95ea65482400788

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teleGUISE: asking about server stuff is a bit difficult inside here. please don't unless absolutely necessary

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21:17:04 [yalaforge]

alright, you can now add ASINs using ARs, right?

21:17:11 [chocomo]

what on the page or the 'linked' page AmazonRelationshipType

21:17:16 [nikki_]

teehee, look what I got to work: http://lmfao.org.uk/birthdays.png (hey yalaforge, do you recognise it? :))

21:17:17 [teleGUISE]

yalaforge: ?? all i asked is did we go backwards... cuz guess case functinos that I believed to be fixed don't work now, add entry issues that I thought were fixed are not now

21:17:21 [Shepard]

i don't even know if AmazonMatching is still in place

21:17:45 [chocomo]

I'll do it

21:17:48 [ruaok]

automatic amazon matching hasn't been running in weeks.

21:17:50 [yalaforge]

nikki_: nice!

21:17:51 [ruaok]

thanks chocomo

21:17:59 [chocomo]

but you'll have to tell me spezifically where to put it later

21:18:03 [ruaok]

teleGUISE: for the record, no we didn't go backwards.

21:18:08 [ruaok]

chocomo: mail it to me.

21:18:13 [chocomo]

righto!

21:18:31 [Shepard]

ruaok: but the delete bot is running again, right?

21:18:42 [yalaforge]

ruaok: was there a server change for the ASIN stuff? if yes, I'll look at it and help mo

21:18:58 [Shepard]

yalaforge: yes

21:19:00 [teleGUISE]

ruaok: care to briefly clarify... :)? is it my imagination or did things that worked don't now?

21:19:23 [yalaforge]

Shepard: ok

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21:19:52 [ruaok]

nikki_: that is cool -- we need to add that to the trivia page and officially check that page in...

21:20:02 [ruaok]

Shepard: delete artists? yes.

21:20:36 [ruaok]

teleGUISE: I don't know. We didn't intentionally break things just for you, if that is what you're asking.

21:20:51 [Shepard]

i would like to see that other trivia page you made again. with the newest releases and stuff

21:21:04 [Shepard]

I thought we did ;)

21:21:07 [ruaok]

if something isn't working now, that usd to work. its.... a bug. Please file a bug report.

21:21:40 [ruaok]

Shepard: http://musicbrainz.org/trivia.html

21:21:57 [Shepard]

ohh it's there again

21:21:59 [ruaok]

its not official. someone needs to add memcached support for it...

21:22:23 [dseomn]

one more vote on http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&automod=0&mod_type=4&moderator_id=118092&moderator_type=3&voter_type=0&voter_id=118092&artist_id=48881&artist_type=3&orderby=desc&object_type=album&object_id=0&minid=&maxid= please

21:22:27 [Shepard]

lol a release 2009

21:22:38 [ruaok]

there was 2055 in there.

21:22:58 [teleGUISE]

well maybe it was my imagination or playing on test servers too much.. specifically there are g0llum case issues that I thought were corrected... (ie.. one simply being the added "." periodleft when Vol., expands to Volume.)

21:23:31 [dseomn]

thanks

21:23:52 [yalaforge]

if someone wants to help with the faq, please join me in #asin-faq

21:24:26 [inhouseuk]

ruaok: are the trivia bits in cvs

21:24:53 [ruaok]

inhouseuk: no

21:25:05 [yalaforge]

chocomo: would you please join us in #asin-faq?

21:25:06 [inhouseuk]

okay, can you mail me a copy

21:25:18 [ruaok]

its not linked and official because it not optimized and not memcached.

21:25:22 [ruaok]

inhouseuk: ok

21:26:36 [inhouseuk]

if I can get it running optimally on my lowish spec DB server, it will fly on the main one

21:26:38 [nikki_]

* nikki_ has no idea about memcached, but can add it to the trivia page later

21:26:47 [nikki_]

* nikki_ goes to do some homework

21:27:13 [ruaok]

inhouseuk: should be on the way

21:29:35 [inhouseuk]

nikki_: http://www.danga.com/memcached/

21:29:41 [Muz]

Oh shit

21:29:44 [Muz]

Thanks a lot nikki

21:29:59 [Muz]

* Muz needs to do homework for tomorrow and he was going to go crawl into bed in a bit :

21:51:03 [chocomo]

* chocomo plays Amish Paradise - "Weird Al" Yankovic (Bad Hair Day)

21:51:19 [yalaforge]

* yalaforge likes that one

21:54:43 [nikki_]

inhouseuk: I know what it is, I just never bothered to learn how to use it :)

21:55:05 [yalaforge]

memcached?

21:55:12 [inhouseuk]

oh, okay :)

21:56:27 [nikki_]

yeah

21:57:20 [yalaforge]

memcached is just set() and get(), basically

21:57:29 [yalaforge]

although the get() part doesn't always work :-)

21:58:36 [ruaok]

by design. :)

21:59:21 [yalaforge]

DB caches are too difficult for me. I won't touch them :-/

21:59:34 [HairMetalAddict]

get(some) if (exists $girlfriend);

22:00:51 [Shepard]

i guess perl would even accept this strange syntax

22:01:16 [yalaforge]

yeah. although 'some' would *usually* be a syntax error

22:01:31 [Shepard]

usually :)

22:01:33 [yalaforge]

unless you 'use constant', IIRC

22:01:45 [HairMetalAddict]

$* ;-)

22:02:06 [nikki_]

I love that syntax

22:02:35 [nikki_]

stinky hated it, so I would use it at every opportunity just to make him cringe at my code :D

22:03:02 [HairMetalAddict]

Heh, I use similar if-statements regularly

22:03:13 [nikki_]

* nikki_ too

22:03:21 [nikki_]

die unless is my favourite though

22:03:41 [HairMetalAddict]

Hehe

22:08:55 [inhouseuk]

nikki_: there is one problem using memcached on a replicated server. If something has changed, you might not always see the latest. Because replication applies changes directly to the DB, the cached value doesn't get updated.

22:09:20 [nikki_]

* nikki_ hasn't got memcached installed

22:09:31 [nikki_]

which is partly why I haven't bothered to learn how it works :)

22:09:44 [yalaforge]

then the get() and set() commands are no-ops, IIRC

22:10:01 [yalaforge]

dave wrote nice wrappers around memcached

22:10:17 [nikki_]

didn't stop it spamming my apache logs :P

22:10:36 [yalaforge]

you can turn it off, I think

22:10:42 [nikki_]

hmm!

22:11:49 [ruaok]

thanks for forming that insta-sub-committee... want another little job?

22:12:06 [yalaforge]

me?

22:12:24 [ruaok]

(to all the sub-committe people)

22:12:25 [yalaforge]

nikki_: in DBDefs.pm: see CACHE_DEBUG

22:12:42 [yalaforge]

ahh

22:12:47 [Shepard]

silence... :)

22:12:58 [yalaforge]

depends on the job

22:13:01 [ruaok]

we had a request for HTML bits to create a search box that people can use to search MB. Anyone want to create an HTML fragment that we can give people to include in their pages?

22:13:45 [yalaforge]

yeah, sounds like a nice idea

22:13:54 [chocomo]

like the external yahoo /google type search boxes peopel can put on their webpages?

22:13:57 [Shepard]

* Shepard has a html application search page for searching MB :D

22:14:16 [yalaforge]

join me in #html-search ;-)

22:14:19 [nikki_]

* nikki_ thinks it should be nice valid xhtml, even if the rest of the web isn't

22:14:41 [Shepard]

* Shepard pulls out his sword and follows knight yalaforge

22:15:24 [teleGUISE]

can someone try http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php to see if they get a mySQL too many connections error as well

22:17:27 [chocomo]

works for me

22:17:35 [inhouseuk]

teleGUISE: it works for me, but is very slow

22:17:46 [inhouseuk]

a lot slower than normal

22:18:36 [teleGUISE]

hmm.. well then they obviously are having issues.. still can't connect.. its been like this for the last 45minutes that I know of

22:18:45 [Muz]

Shep, just like a tr00 Warrior of the World?

22:18:49 [Muz]

Hehehe Manowar XD

22:19:09 [teleGUISE]

now I get can't establish a connection ff timeouts

22:19:26 [Shepard]

Warriors of Light!

22:19:59 [Muz]

But but but Manowar are tr00est of tr00, Other bands play, Manowar Kill!

22:20:02 [teleGUISE]

always odd that overseas pipes work better than domestic-domestic many times

22:23:58 [teleGUISE]

yeah...appears they are up and rollin again..

22:24:19 [ruaok]

* ruaok forages for food

22:28:34 [ruaok]

WOW. The EFF sues AT&T: http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/

22:31:27 [tru]

woha.

22:31:37 [tru]

that's dynamite man.

22:31:43 [ruaok]

* ruaok LOVES the EFF

22:32:06 [teleGUISE]

sbc/att off to a rocky start.. but when hasn't at&t been the center of attention

22:32:14 [ruaok]

I hope that companies will soon think: "Oh, we can't do that. The EFF will come after us."

22:32:28 [ruaok]

forget the govn't coming after you.

22:33:07 [teleGUISE]

i'm sure verizon/mci will be next...

22:33:28 [teleGUISE]

with those 2 you've covered I think 99% of all telecom traffic

22:36:21 [teleGUISE]

it will be interesting to see how this pans out.. to see if it puts pressure on the big house for ordering it and as said 'letting the lawyers figure out what's legal and what's not'

22:36:31 [pankkake]

I'll need some votes here so I could merge the album: http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4182434

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22:40:07 [inhouseuk]

teleGUISE: the trouble is they will attempt to classify it as ethical in the interests of national security

22:40:48 [inhouseuk]

* inhouseuk thinks spying is spying no matter who does it

22:41:31 [ojnkpjg]

spying is only spying if you get caught

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and they've been caught!

22:42:07 [ojnkpjg]

i guess they were spying, then

22:42:10 [teleGUISE]

inhouseuk: of course... though i think the % is decreasing with our tolerance to accepting that 'excuse' for everything

22:44:01 [inhouseuk]

yes, the UK population is also going in that direction with some of the things the UK government is attempting to do as well

22:46:17 [teleGUISE]

wonder at what point the term 'fishing' transformed from a recreational hobby of water/rod/hook/bait to a computer/land based activity

22:46:47 [ojnkpjg]

i think when the f was replaced with the much cooler ph

22:46:56 [ojnkpjg]

it happened somewhere on AOL

22:47:02 [ojnkpjg]

around 1995

22:52:59 [teleGUISE]

pankkake: you can put/post your merge edit

22:53:22 [pankkake]

there was a problem because of the discid

22:53:58 [teleGUISE]

h

22:54:11 [pankkake]

"Error: these albums cannot be merged together, since they have disc IDs that belong to albums that have more or fewer than the 15 tracks that the merged album would have. "

22:54:18 [teleGUISE]

oh... ok about 9 minutes from now you can post it ;)

22:54:38 [ojnkpjg]

your clock is 3 minutes slow

22:54:50 [teleGUISE]

no... im giving the server 3 minutes to perform the edit ;)

22:54:53 [SenRepus]

hi tele

22:54:55 [ojnkpjg]

oh, ok

22:54:56 [SenRepus]

>.>

22:55:05 [teleGUISE]

Hey.. you put your memory in yet?

22:55:14 [SenRepus]

it hasnt arived, i thought you forgot

22:55:20 [teleGUISE]

WTF`

22:55:36 [SenRepus]

but ruaok saw me answer someone when they asked me my computer specs and sent me 3 sticks of 256MB

22:55:40 [teleGUISE]

i sent it last week..

22:55:56 [SenRepus]

i havent been in to check yesterday or today

22:56:18 [teleGUISE]

well it better have gotten there I spent $4.20 on it :)

22:56:35 [SenRepus]

i was hoping you forgot to send it so you could save the shipping cost -_- i feel bad for you sending me some RAM and then ruaok sending me better RAM

22:56:49 [teleGUISE]

hey..hey... whats up with this better stuff :)

22:57:13 [teleGUISE]

good now you can send me a stick of 256

22:57:53 [teleGUISE]

so did you put it in??

22:58:12 [ojnkpjg]

i bet someone just happens to have 4 sticks of registered ecc 256mb dimms lying around they have no use for

22:58:13 [teleGUISE]

dont think anything over 512 will be noticeable on ME

22:59:07 [SenRepus]

his 256s havent arrived yet either

22:59:20 [teleGUISE]

hope he didnt send it priority mail!

22:59:30 [SenRepus]

this just happend like saturday night

22:59:46 [ojnkpjg]

oh, i need your address, too

22:59:49 [ojnkpjg]

to send that cd

22:59:56 [teleGUISE]

seems like I should have just spent the $.39 instead of the $4.05 well $4.20 cuz I stuck an extra $1 stamp on a $3.20 metered

23:00:24 [teleGUISE]

well his should have only took a day and mine 2.. so go to your damn mailbox!

23:00:43 [SenRepus]

im soooo sore and sooo tired from work thouhg -_-

23:00:48 [SenRepus]

maybe i should though

23:00:50 [inhouseuk]

awww

23:01:06 [teleGUISE]

Hey.. lazy butt... people are trying to speed up your sled.. get your ass to the mailbox :)

23:01:58 [inhouseuk]

SenRepus: maybe your mouse will be there as well

23:02:24 [SenRepus]

i hate you guys

23:02:29 [SenRepus]

^_^ naaa just kidding

23:02:42 [teleGUISE]

you needed one of those 2?.. could have sent that too.. though I guess that wouldnt have fit in the priority mail envelope to well

23:02:52 [SenRepus]

but seriously tele, i checked every day last week with high hopes and it nevershowed

23:03:06 [SenRepus]

no i broke my mouse after our last chat

23:03:25 [SenRepus]

i took it apart to try to make it work better and actually did the opposite

23:03:45 [teleGUISE]

was it laser or old skool?

23:03:46 [inhouseuk]

poor mouse, you killed it :(

23:04:07 [SenRepus]

im old school

23:04:27 [teleGUISE]

how the heck can you kill an old skool 'moose' ?

23:04:45 [SenRepus]

well, when i was little i took apart a copy machine for some guy

23:04:53 [SenRepus]

and he payed me for all the switches i could find in it

23:05:07 [SenRepus]

so i figured that the switches in a mouse were just like the ones in that machine only smaller

23:05:09 [SenRepus]

but they werent

23:05:10 [ruaok]

teleGUISE: I still have a stick of 256 if you want it.

23:05:14 [teleGUISE]

turn the little door that holds the ball.. let the ball fall out.. wipe the ball off with windex/spit/whatever.. take canned air blow inside mouse.. reinsert ball turn door all is fixed

23:06:27 [inhouseuk]

teleGUISE: you forgot - hunt for the ball as it rolls under the desk

23:06:29 [SenRepus]

i was having problems with my left click, tele

23:06:55 [nikki_]

I hate ball mice, we have to use them at college and they're always so jerky

23:07:06 [SenRepus]

ive got about 7 mouse balls now from breaking mice... usually from voilent outbursts though, this one was just curiousity and stupidity

23:07:53 [teleGUISE]

ahh... so was I on my $4 mouse I mentioned a while back.... just for shits and giggles i popped the cap.. burnished the contact sprayed contact cleaner it and all is well... just to say my $4 laser mouse is still going after 2yrs now.. now I just have to weight it better so its more like a logitech

23:08:36 [chocomo]

mice that aren't heavy are weeird

23:08:54 [nikki_]

I'm on my third mouse, the first was a ball mouse which I hated, the second one was an intellimouse explorer which I eventually decided was too big for my hand and now I'm using some other ms mouse

23:08:57 [chocomo]

* chocomo wish he knew how to insert ram

23:09:06 [chocomo]

or even how to find out wich his macine used

23:09:09 [chocomo]

uses*

23:09:13 [SenRepus]

i want my mouse with balls and a long cord

23:09:23 [SenRepus]

tele helped me find out

23:09:28 [chocomo]

sen! :pppp

23:09:33 [chocomo]

prevert!

23:09:35 [chocomo]

lol

23:10:07 [teleGUISE]

ruaok: thanks... Ill let you know.. I think Im finally going to up my 'momsters' computer to new skool so I probably won't need it but will let you know.. appreciate the offer

23:11:18 [nikki_]

* nikki_ will accept any ram donations for her spare test machine

23:11:25 [nikki_]

last year it got upgraded to 128mb!

23:11:45 [teleGUISE]

down to the MS mouse... Logitech the only way to glide

23:12:11 [nikki_]

I don't like logitech mice as much as I like my ms mouse

23:12:13 [MBChatLogger]

I hate the evil empire

23:12:13 [SenRepus]

i bought a microsoft mouse on ebay for 2.06

23:12:16 [nikki_]

but the new ms ones are horrible

23:12:31 [SenRepus]

its exactly the same as the one that came with this computer in 2000

23:12:31 [chocomo]

old mice are cooler than new ones

23:12:31 [nikki_]

the scrolly wheel has no feedback at all and it drives me nuts

23:12:45 [teleGUISE]

that memory isn't ecc is it?

23:12:47 [chocomo]

new ones are light. no whatchacallit nikki with the weels and odd shapes

23:12:57 [chocomo]

feedback!

23:13:00 [chocomo]

that was it

23:13:03 [nikki_]

I like my mice light

23:13:25 [chocomo]

freak :p

23:13:26 [teleGUISE]

well then you can get a logi which gives you weight control ;)

23:13:35 [nikki_]

I don't like logitech ones though

23:13:38 [chocomo]

I'm quite happy with my logitec mouse

23:14:12 [teleGUISE]

ok...well then i wont tell you about the new logitech chocomouse :)

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23:14:36 [nikki_]

if it's not pink or purple, I don't care!

23:14:37 [inhouseuk]

the old logitechs are great, but I can't stand the new ones

23:15:09 [teleGUISE]

SenRepus: better have gone to check his snail mail

23:15:14 [Muz]

* Muz has a nice newish logitech mouse that is pretty swanky

23:15:14 [SenRepus]

i like my mice white, with balls and a long cord

23:15:19 [SenRepus]

i will i will

23:15:21 [Muz]

* Muz chokes

23:15:34 [SenRepus]

i need some mo-time first

23:16:31 [SenRepus]

and seriously, you stand for 8 hours and tell me what you would pick: walk to post office or put your feet up

23:17:54 [SenRepus]

oh! ojnkpjg, sorry, spaced

23:17:56 [teleGUISE]

nikki_ http://shop.logitech.com/itemDetails?shop=consumer&country=GB&lang=EN&sku=931457-0914 .. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000066SAJ/ .. http://www.compuvisor.com/logmoustravm.html

23:18:42 [Shepard]

you're mean

23:18:48 [teleGUISE]

walk to the post office to show your appreciation for all that

23:18:49 [nikki_]

too small

23:18:57 [nikki_]

and I don't *need* a new mouse

23:19:00 [inhouseuk]

nikki_: http://www.target.com.au/html/hellokitty/e_kt4000.htm

23:19:04 [nikki_]

so I'm not going to buy one I don't even want

23:19:05 [teleGUISE]

too small.. too big...

23:19:14 [nikki_]

with money I don't have

23:19:38 [nikki_]

inhouseuk: nooooooooooooo

23:19:44 [inhouseuk]

:)

23:19:45 [nikki_]

not more bloody hello kitty >(

23:19:47 [teleGUISE]

the purple one is bigger

23:19:53 [SenRepus]

i prefer to buy a used mouse than buy a new one

23:19:57 [teleGUISE]

its flower power not hello kitty

23:20:07 [nikki_]

teleGUISE: I was talking to inhouseuk

23:20:38 [SenRepus]

Recycle, Reuse, Resomething

23:20:51 [teleGUISE]

oh.. yea forgot about those..

23:21:12 [SenRepus]

whats the last R though?

23:21:17 [SenRepus]

Recycle, Reuse, Relax?

23:21:26 [nikki_]

reduce

23:21:48 [SenRepus]

heh

23:21:48 [teleGUISE]

Retrace your steps to the mailbox

23:21:50 [SenRepus]

i like mine more

23:22:04 [Muz]

* Muz cuddles w3m

23:23:55 [SenRepus]

well with reduce, then, i live the 4 Rs

23:24:09 [nikki_]

* nikki_ goes to see if she can sleep

23:24:10 [SenRepus]

Reuse, Reduce, Recycle, Relax.

23:24:57 [Shepard]

you won't see when you sleep though :)

23:24:59 [Shepard]

night nikki

23:27:07 [inhouseuk]

aww, I was going to give nikki_ this link http://www.pinkproducts.co.uk/

23:28:19 [Shepard]

you want to propose marriage to her?

23:30:23 [chocomo]

chocomo is now known as chocomouse

23:31:32 [inhouseuk]

nope, just pointing out a place with lots of pink things to buy

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23:32:18 [Shepard]

there comes the nominee :)

23:32:20 [Shepard]

hi rowaasr13

23:32:29 [rowaasr13]

Ahem... That was surprise.

23:33:01 [rowaasr13]

Not that I myself sure on "calm and reasonable" part in http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-automods/2006-January/000435.html. :)

23:33:44 [Shepard]

i didn't even get this mail yet

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23:34:57 [Shepard]

there it is

23:36:11 [inhouseuk]

jeez, February already ... this year is going too fast

23:36:22 [ruaok]

still jan here. :-)

23:36:43 [Shepard]

I'm sure you will do a fine job though. and.. "Frankly I can't get how this user is not AM yet." <- i had the same thought some days ago :)

23:37:09 [ruaok]

* ruaok has chocolate cravings BAD

23:37:09 [Shepard]

i hate february

23:37:22 [Shepard]

people are getting weird at this time

23:37:23 [ruaok]

better go create more bugs, so people send me chocolate.

23:38:09 [Shepard]

create bugs? now you squealed yourself :)

23:38:27 [chocomouse]

chocomouse is now known as chocomo

23:38:29 [ruaok]

that was never a seeekrit.

23:38:43 [ruaok]

* ruaok wonders where is hanuta stash is

23:39:11 [ruaok]

oh ya. 8000K miles ----> that way at MiniMal.

23:39:23 [Shepard]

ah and i didn't ask for AR editor rights so that doesn't add a hanuta to the list :P

23:39:36 [inhouseuk]

the best bugs are the ones specific to certain users

23:39:37 [ruaok]

ya, right.

23:39:46 [ruaok]

inhouseuk: you're catching on.

23:40:55 [chocomo]

* chocomo has chococake

23:40:58 [ruaok]

* ruaok caves in and goes to TJs

23:41:31 [chocomo]

* chocomo thinks that http://www.pinkproducts.co.uk/ 's logo looks susspicios liek pills

23:43:35 [inhouseuk]

* inhouseuk just noticed it is a gay and lesbian wedding site !

23:43:41 [chocomo]

lol

23:43:50 [chocomo]

i dont think nikki minds

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23:49:31 [inhouseuk]

no Pink Floyd tour :( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4663076.stm

23:50:15 [chocomo]

I'm going to bedd guys

23:50:24 [Shepard]

natta mo

23:50:28 [inhouseuk]

night chocomo

23:50:54 [SenRepus]

ruaok, was that directed at me?

23:51:31 [chocomo]

natta evryboddy

23:51:38 [chocomo]

that was intentionally missplled

23:51:46 [chocomo]

but that wasn't

23:51:49 [chocomo]

natt

23:52:52 [Muz]

Hehehe, downloading IE via WINE

23:53:15 [Shepard]

the new beta?

23:53:30 [Muz]

Nah, 6

23:53:42 [Muz]

The new version seems a crappy bloated piece of tack

23:53:51 [Shepard]

with tabbed browsing^^

23:54:03 [inhouseuk]

but david gilmour does have a new solo album coming out soon - http://musicbrainz.org/album/ecc6ec73-cc69-4d10-817d-6ebb2af22737.html

23:54:03 [Muz]

Pfft, Mozilla has that

23:54:09 [Ismepi]

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23:54:28 [Ismepi]

Hello

23:54:42 [inhouseuk]

hi Ismepi

23:54:48 [Shepard]

i mean take a look at the status bar of that window shot: http://www.heise.de/bilder/69074/0/0 - that says it all...

23:54:49 [Shepard]

hi

23:55:06 [Ismepi]

That it is the conversation?

23:55:19 [MBChatLogger]

I hate the evil empire

23:55:19 [Muz]

Microsoft webpage but it's "done with errors on page"

23:55:28 [Muz]

And it looks like a shite Mozilla rip

23:55:38 [Ismepi]

Speak litle english

23:56:57 [SenRepus]

smepi... what language do you know?

23:57:30 [rowaasr13]

BTW, anybody who currently on listens to korean pop?

23:57:33 [SenRepus]

Ismepi, what language do you speak?

23:57:35 [SenRepus]

i ment

23:57:35 [Muz]

Hmm .co ?

23:58:25 [Shepard]

sen you use the keyboard mouse thingy?

23:58:36 [ruaok]

SenRepus: no

23:58:38 [Ismepi]

SenRepus, im speak spanish

23:58:42 [SenRepus]

yes shepard

23:59:01 [chocomo]

* chocomo plays Ace of Spades - Bathory (A Black Mark Tribute)

23:59:08 [Muz]

Aha, Colombia

23:59:12 [inhouseuk]

Muz: columbia

23:59:29 [Muz]

Pipped you to it ;)

23:59:52 [SenRepus]

ah, i dont think anyone here knows spanish