IRC log of musicbrainz on 2008-08-04

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00:00:11 [ruaok]
there are other customers... but...
00:00:24 [ruaok]
they are pre-public anything. so I can't talk about them yet.
00:15:08 [niklas]
okay, interesting :) looking forward to check them out in the future
00:16:10 [niklas]
Perl lets me do if($result == undef) but not return $result == undef ? 0 : 1;
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00:18:06 [Kee]
where's a good place to download music from?
00:18:51 [milosz_]
amazon.com
00:19:43 [Kee]
is it free?
00:19:58 [jacknetgb]
no lol
00:20:02 [Kee]
well fuck that
00:20:03 [milosz_]
you can buy albums there
00:20:15 [Kee]
where's a good place i can get free music from?
00:20:21 [milosz_]
jamendo.com
00:20:32 [milosz_]
or is it .net
00:20:40 [milosz_]
guess both works
00:21:28 [Kee]
doesn't have any music i've ever heard of
00:22:21 [milosz_]
well isn't that good
00:22:57 [Kee]
how bout some american music?
00:23:02 [Kee]
for free?
00:24:03 [milosz_]
shoutcast.com
00:24:15 [niklas]
Kee: if you're looking for music from a specific artist I'd go to the artist's website. They might have some free downloads or at least streaming
00:26:24 [Kee]
this blows
00:27:40 [Kee]
i was on a java irc thing a minute ago how come it won't let me back on one of those channels?
00:35:14 [niklas]
perhaps you have been banned from that channel...
00:35:59 [Kee]
oh.. well once i downloaded this i went to type one more thing and as soon as i sent it it kicked me
00:41:39 [FauxFaux]
Mind is a razor blade.
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04:02:58 [xlotlu]
i want release subscriptions
04:10:20 [sonium]
me too
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06:08:56 [ojnkpjg]
who wants to be luck vote #4 on http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9104219
06:09:05 [ojnkpjg]
before it expires and fails 3-0 due to being a high quality release
06:09:11 [ojnkpjg]
er, lucky.
06:13:27 [ojnkpjg]
thanks
06:13:32 [ruaok]
:-)
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06:34:37 [artagnon]
hmm... Picard was working before but I keep getting "HTTP connection refused" constantly now (album information doesn't load)... I use a HTTP proxy. Any ideas?
06:36:14 [artagnon]
The album ID is loaded fine via port 8000 of localhost but nothing happens beyond that [couldn't load album xxxx-xxxx..]
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08:51:15 [alastair]
anyone got an Oyster Card?
08:57:15 [nikki]
me
08:57:30 [alastair]
what do you use it for?
08:57:33 [alastair]
bus/train?
08:58:47 [nikki]
tube, buses, dlr and some trains, depending where I'm going
08:59:23 [alastair]
can you pay for more than 1 person at the same time?
08:59:47 [nikki]
not that I'm aware of
09:00:05 [alastair]
that's insane
09:00:52 [nikki]
why? the vast majority of tickets for transport are only for one person
09:00:54 [alastair]
they've just rolled out the same tech in NZ under the name 'snapper'
09:01:47 [alastair]
moving from 10-trip punch cards
09:02:05 [alastair]
no tube network here - only busses :)
09:02:27 [alastair]
so it's pretty normal for people to shout their friends a trip
09:04:21 [nikki]
I can't remember ever seeing anything like that here...
09:05:59 [nikki]
for ages all I remember were single tickets, so everyone just bought a ticket on the bus, then a few years ago they introduced weekly and monthly tickets... no idea about london, I didn't grow up there :P
09:06:43 [alastair]
we get 20% discount over a cash fare for buying 10 trips at a time
09:06:44 [praest76]
The smartlink card here... they don't mind multiple people using it. allegedly.
09:06:54 [praest76]
Never used it myself.
09:07:06 [praest76]
cycling is better for the thighs
09:07:21 [alastair]
praest76: with snapper, you need to pass the card over the reader when you get on *and* off
09:07:45 [alastair]
so you can't scan on "twice"
09:08:10 [praest76]
Ah... sorry. i misread. I thought you meants lending your card to someone
09:08:20 [alastair]
ah, right
09:08:50 [praest76]
I've only seen what you are talking about done here with cash. not with cards.
09:09:07 [alastair]
buying someone else a ticket?
09:09:16 [praest76]
I think in the London Underground they'd probably shoot you if you tried to use your oyster card for two people
09:09:21 [praest76]
alastair: Yeah :)
09:10:04 [alastair]
the city I grew up in had some sort of smart card, but it deducted the correct fare when you go on, so you could put 2 people on
09:10:16 [alastair]
although, the city was so small there was only 1 fare zone :-P
09:11:00 [alastair]
anyway, I count it as a deficiency in the design
09:12:10 [srotta]
Those card systems are pretty much deficiencies incarnate.
09:13:50 [srotta]
The one in Helsinki was apparently designed by some engineer under influence, because it certainly isn't usable for regular people.
09:13:51 [outsidecontext]
alastair: does snapper use the same buggy technology as oyster?
09:15:02 [alastair]
outsidecontext: I think so,
09:15:12 [alastair]
they're doing the whole "lets use seafood to name it" thing
09:15:14 [Muz]
It's not the technology that's buggy
09:15:20 [Muz]
IOt's the implementation that is
09:15:30 [alastair]
as far as I know, it's the same stuff under a different name
09:15:36 [Muz]
That said, I still love my Oyster card. Beats paper tickets and railcards by far
09:15:41 [warp]
Muz: the technology is insecure.
09:15:55 [Muz]
warp, hence why I don't link mine to a card or address ;)
09:16:03 [warp]
* warp nods
09:16:05 [Muz]
I've still got an old unregistered Oyster Card that I top up with cash in small amounts
09:16:20 [warp]
and don't put too much on it :)
09:16:28 [Muz]
Precisely, hence the "small amounts"
09:16:44 [Muz]
I only ever have £10 at most on mine, so I don't mind too much if I lose it or if it's nicked
09:16:53 [alastair]
they seem to be pushing the "you can put up to $300 on it!"
09:17:02 [alastair]
(~100 pounds)
09:17:33 [Muz]
The thing is, every underground station has a top up point, as do DLR points in places, so why bother carrying that much. It's not hard to just top it up on your way in/out
09:17:52 [warp]
the max I was able to put on the dutch cards is about EUR 40 (which annoyed me, because i wanted to put a months worth of credit on it, which is about EUR 60 for me).
09:18:14 [alastair]
OK, talked to someone else here who has a card, apparently you can tell the driver you want 2 fares
09:18:18 [alastair]
and they press a button
09:18:24 [alastair]
and it works
09:18:49 [warp]
Muz: because i don't have any money left in my bank account or wallet at the end of the month. i tend to get public transport tickets for the whole month as soon as i get paid ;)
09:18:55 [Muz]
On the buses here you get a "Passback attempted" error, as the idea is that you have 1 card per person, so you can't fool it into making two IN transactions in a row etc
09:19:22 [alastair]
yeah, the driver needs to flag it as "for 2" before you swipe
09:19:23 [Muz]
warp, heh, I tend to limit my spending throughout the month keeping enough for the weekly top up :P
09:19:55 [russ__]
the oyster tech isn't *that* insecure. You can use it to steal small amounts of free travel if you have a laptop and card reader in a backpack
09:19:59 [warp]
alastair: we don't have that in .nl or .uk
09:20:01 [russ__]
not terribly practical
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09:20:17 [alastair]
warp: we don't have a very good public transport system in .nz :)
09:20:37 [warp]
russ__: well, the 'small amounts' depends on how much ppl put on it.
09:20:49 [outsidecontext]
russ__: doesn't sound that secure, either :)
09:21:15 [alastair]
do they use secure rfid?
09:21:30 [russ__]
yes, it's rfid with encryption
09:21:34 [alastair]
right
09:21:35 [warp]
alastair: no.
09:21:35 [Muz]
I imagine you'd need to make use of the stolen card details before the user touches out though russ, as there is a central db which Underground and DLR touch points are connected to
09:21:42 [russ__]
unfortunately their algorithm was a bit buggy.
09:21:50 [Muz]
So it's even more impractical to "steal" from someone's card
09:22:08 [warp]
alastair: http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/13/report-oyster-card-c.html
09:22:16 [russ__]
the system is called Mifare Classic
09:22:34 [alastair]
hmm, this was the report that was going to come out at a conference?
09:22:52 [alastair]
ah, yep
09:23:15 [russ__]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIFARE#Security
09:23:16 [warp]
Muz: from my understanding, in .nl only some nightly cleanup process will notice the duplicate uses and block the cards.
09:23:18 [russ__]
"The security of, e.g., public transport systems against fraud relies on many components, of which the MIFARE card is just one. Typically, to minimize costs, system integrators will chose a relatively cheap card such as MIFARE Classic and concentrate the security efforts in the back office. Additional encryption on the card, transaction counters, and other methods known in cryptography are then required to make cloned cards useless, or at least to enable t
09:23:18 [russ__]
he back office to detect fraud should a card be compromised, and put it on a blacklist."
09:24:06 [Muz]
warp, given my experience it's not updated on a nightly basis. It's far more often than that given how I've managed to ring up the Oyster offices 10 minutes or so after using my card and getting the error and them have all the card details there
09:25:00 [Muz]
In fact, I've had my card blocked, and unlocked again on the phone heh
09:25:03 [russ__]
there's a big difference between it being theoretically insecure and it actually causing a problem.
09:37:04 [warp]
russ__: it's quite feasable in the current .nl implementation, for a determined person to always travel for free.
09:37:11 [warp]
IMO
09:37:22 [Muz]
Sure, jump the gates
09:37:57 [warp]
people tend to notice such things.
09:38:19 [Muz]
Not if you do it correctly. That's half the point of doing it
09:38:27 [warp]
haha
09:39:05 [srotta]
And it doesn't matter if people notice it, if "people" doesn't include someone who can fine you.
09:39:08 [srotta]
8)
09:40:49 [warp]
i'm trying to remember if the gates in the .uk would be easier to jump over compared to those in .nl
09:41:23 [Muz]
The gates here are pretty high, your best bet is slipping through the luggage gates
09:41:37 [srotta]
Hehe
09:42:04 [warp]
ah, we don't have those :)
09:42:22 [srotta]
In Helsinki at least earlier most of the underground stops were open platforms, so you actually didn't have to jump anything.
09:42:49 [Muz]
You don't need to jump anything to use the DLR here in places, it's fully open apart from I think 2 stops
09:43:20 [alastair]
what's DLR?
09:43:25 [Muz]
Docklands Light Railway
09:43:38 [outsidecontext]
london was pretty strange with all those gates and separated train platforms. the british seems to love walls and gates
09:43:40 [Muz]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway
09:43:47 [Muz]
outsidecontext, that and queueing!
09:43:52 [Muz]
We just /LOVE/ to queue
09:43:56 [outsidecontext]
:)
09:44:00 [alastair]
heh
09:44:09 [Muz]
YEah, the only two closed platforms are Stratford and Bank iirc
09:44:25 [Muz]
You need to already have touched in, or come in via National Rail links to get to those DLR platforms
09:44:52 [Muz]
Anywhere else thoguh you can just walk on or off and get away with it, as it's rare to find a ticket inspector on the DLR and they're fully automated with no staff driving it or anything
09:44:57 [outsidecontext]
in munich the underground is open, no gates. you just are asked to stamp your ticket at the entrance.
09:45:00 [warp]
Muz: the gates in .nl are considerably higher.
09:45:18 [Muz]
warp, the people in .NL are considerably taller ;) One of the tallest nations on average :P
09:45:26 [warp]
lol
09:49:39 [warp]
Muz: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobergeorge/2121319717/
09:50:19 [Muz]
Ah,those are full height gates
09:50:24 [warp]
* warp nods.
09:50:33 [Muz]
The ones here come up to your torso heh
10:14:14 [CatCat]
same in norway
10:14:16 [CatCat]
hi!
10:14:56 [CatCat]
also in norway you just stamp your ticket
10:15:15 [CatCat]
theres tese 8 in one things called flexikort
10:16:05 [warp]
taccattaccat
10:16:10 [CatCat]
warper!
10:16:14 [warp]
hi :)
10:16:21 [Muz]
A minor gripe about these p[ayment systems are that they're limited to small metros/regions. I can understand not being able to pay for say national rail trains, but it's a pain in the arse to not be able to get a bus in any county and payusing the same card heh
10:16:42 [CatCat]
same with fylker here
10:16:44 [warp]
Muz: the intent of the dutch card was to use it for all of .nl
10:16:55 [CatCat]
the thing only works in oslo, go out of oslo and you need a differnt system
10:17:24 [warp]
Muz: but with mifare security being such an issue, the implementation is greatly delayed.
10:17:29 [Muz]
Oyster Cards only works in London and links to/from London, understandable as it's ran by TfL (Transport for London)
10:17:34 [CatCat]
i can show you when you come visit here, warp
10:17:46 [warp]
CatCat: yes :)
10:17:54 [CatCat]
when was that again?
10:17:59 [CatCat]
* CatCat meomry liek a sieve
10:18:14 [warp]
whenever i have time + money.
10:18:19 [CatCat]
aaaahhhhh
10:18:32 [CatCat]
* CatCat *is* lookibg forwaqrd too it
10:18:42 [srotta]
I don't really see as such a problem. If I have to travel somewhere else, I have this thing called "credit card". Works everywhere.
10:18:50 [warp]
the money issue should be much clearer by the end of august, i'm waiting for monthly tax returns to be arranged because of my new house, etc..
10:18:59 [CatCat]
also because i gave up on twilight princess and am now playing master quest
10:19:12 [CatCat]
ahh yay
10:19:27 [CatCat]
lol maybe come here in fall/winter
10:19:27 [warp]
srotta: i wasn't able to top up the oyster card with my creditcard.
10:19:41 [CatCat]
usually it'd be cold but with tihs freaky enviroment..
10:19:42 [warp]
srotta: and good look trying that in .nl, creditcards are not all that common here.
10:19:45 [CatCat]
it will priobably be hot
10:19:52 [srotta]
warp: Yeah, that's a problem.
10:20:05 [Muz]
srotta, I can't use a credit card on a bus ;)
10:20:07 [CatCat]
i uh.. i still have an oyster card from when i was in london
10:20:10 [CatCat]
it came with me
10:20:11 [warp]
CatCat: hm, master quest.. is that the remixed ocarina of time?
10:20:13 [srotta]
warp: Same thing in Germany, most stores had "no credit cards allowed".
10:20:22 [CatCat]
warp: tyepp!
10:20:51 [CatCat]
Muz: the busses too and fro the airport lets you use credit cards
10:20:56 [srotta]
Muz: Yeah, but that's the problem of buses, I don't really see the point in creating another card that's just used for paying travle fares.
10:21:01 [CatCat]
@andmost stores have credit cards herew
10:21:20 [CatCat]
we have paper tickets
10:21:54 [CatCat]
warp: yes it is
10:22:04 [CatCat]
its awesome ! \o/
10:22:15 [warp]
srotta: i like the seperate systems. I use the public transport card a lot more, so it not always lives in my wallet. it's quite ok for that to get lost or stolen...
10:22:41 [warp]
(well, when i was still using it. i switched back to the old ticket system for the dutch metro now :)
10:23:01 [CatCat]
i hope the oystercard i have still works when i revisit
10:23:06 [LotR]
strippenkaart?
10:23:15 [CatCat]
strippekort?!
10:23:16 [LotR]
or does the metro have another system too?
10:23:17 [CatCat]
wtf XD
10:23:34 [warp]
LotR: yes.
10:23:47 [CatCat]
striptease card.. wtf :D
10:23:52 [warp]
LotR: and 'zwartrijden' is also a feasable option in the rotterdam metro ;)
10:23:57 [CatCat]
* CatCat knows thats not it
10:24:15 [CatCat]
zwartrijden?
10:24:40 [LotR]
warp: I know, I accidentely did that last year, when I stamped the wrong bit
10:24:50 [CatCat]
WHAT?! :D
10:24:56 [CatCat]
explain, plz
10:25:05 [warp]
CatCat: it's a "card with strips", each strip is 1 zone -- you stamp the amount of zones you want to travel (+1 strip base fare).
10:25:13 [CatCat]
jaha
10:25:22 [CatCat]
and zwartrijden?
10:25:25 [warp]
CatCat: zwartrijden is 'riding black', or not paying for a ticket at all.
10:25:36 [CatCat]
aha!
10:25:49 [Muz]
Wasn't Black Riding outlawed in the 1800s?
10:25:53 [Muz]
[/distasteful]
10:26:11 [CatCat]
speaking of rides, i have to go now, icats need food
10:27:04 [CatCat]
what, mnuz?
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11:03:54 [LotR]
muz: so what's the term for using public transport without a ticket in english then?
11:04:25 [Muz]
I'm not sure if there really is one. I'm sure there are a plethora of slang terms, but I've never used any :/
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zomg
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aCiD2: I added you as a friend on last.fm :)
12:14:50 [aCiD2]
oo, cool :)
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* aCiD2 has naaasty sunburn
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but, I saw plaid and trentmoller live! <3
12:18:46 [Muz]
aCiD2, Big chill?
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garr
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ja
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* warp disklikes coworkers who come to him to debug their shit
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Big Chill
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s/k//
12:21:11 [aCiD2]
lol, niklas, nice photo :D
12:22:43 [niklas]
haha thanks :) yours is good too
12:23:47 [aCiD2]
:)
12:26:13 [Freso]
Does libdiscid bugs go to our tracker?
12:26:22 [Freso]
("Other"?)
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freso: component "libdiscid"
12:34:11 [Freso]
outsidecontext: Yep. Found it. http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/3890 :)
12:34:26 [Freso]
outsidecontext: Just didn't see it as there were no open tickets, I suppose.
12:34:59 [outsidecontext]
i think there is no report for it, there should be at least one ticket open :)
12:35:51 [Freso]
Ah. That might also be.
12:36:00 [Freso]
At least one ticket is open now, anyway.
12:36:09 [outsidecontext]
:)
12:36:55 [outsidecontext]
oh, there are a few: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=libdiscid&order=priority
12:41:33 [Freso]
Yeah.
12:41:36 [Freso]
Who's Matt?
12:42:05 [outsidecontext]
matthias friedrich i think
12:42:11 [Freso]
Or: anyone familiar enough with C to figure out where the .1 in "libdiscid.so.1" comes from?
12:43:22 [Freso]
outsidecontext: Not someone here?
12:43:41 [luks]
http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/changeset/9850
12:43:49 [luks]
no
12:45:57 [Freso]
luks: So. it should be "version-info 2:1:0" instead of "version-info 2:1:2"?
12:46:04 [Freso]
Or "version-info 2:1:1"?
12:46:42 [luks]
the patch says -2:1:1 +2:1:2
12:46:51 [luks]
- is wrong, + is right
12:47:05 [Freso]
So... it's already fixed?
12:47:23 [luks]
yes
12:47:35 [Freso]
Ah. Oh well.
12:48:40 [Freso]
It doesn't match the changelog entry though, but I'll let it rest.
12:49:40 [luks]
it doesn't?
12:49:49 [luks]
oh
12:51:31 [Freso]
luks: Nope. And I would deduce that the change would now make it create libdiscid.so.2 instead of .0 or even .1... but I'm not a C hacker, so what do I know? :)
13:12:19 [aCiD2]
luks: are MM_2_0.pm and MM_2_1.pm still used?
13:12:47 [luks]
it's the RDF webservice
13:12:54 [aCiD2]
and that's used?
13:13:59 [luks]
for now, yes
13:14:09 [luks]
I don't how what are ruaok's play to remove it
13:15:32 [aCiD2]
ok
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13:52:04 [Muz]
niklas, haha, you listen to Caramell?!
13:52:44 [niklas]
Muz: grr no! :)
13:53:03 [Muz]
niklas, it came up as an artist we have in common ;) Not that errr I've listened to them
13:53:05 [niklas]
my ex girlfriend did. she listened to lots of music that I dont like. so when new last.fm arrived I removed those artists from my library. but this has not been updated
13:53:09 [niklas]
haha
13:53:26 [Muz]
I can see why she's an ex now, with taste like that
13:53:31 [niklas]
haha
13:54:36 [niklas]
btw that is a bug right? its not supposed to still be there?
13:54:56 [Muz]
It may have been reentered to your profile when we switched over data stores for tracks and whatnot
13:55:03 [niklas]
those artists are not in my top artists etc, but theyre still there when checking common artists and neighbours
13:55:04 [Muz]
If you want it gone, try removing it from your Library once and for all
13:55:24 [Muz]
If it ain't in your library, I suspect it's the ghosts of cached data
13:55:33 [Muz]
In which case it needs waiting out
13:55:36 [FauxFaux]
Dancin', Dancin'.
13:55:55 [niklas]
btw Cascada and Basshunter are also artists she has been listening to :)
13:56:05 [FauxFaux]
A never ending dream, a dream of Muz.
13:56:10 [Muz]
niklas, I imagine I share more music in common with your ex than you :P
13:56:15 [Muz]
I want to lay like this Fauxever
13:56:18 [niklas]
haha yea
13:56:39 [niklas]
nope those artists are not in my collection
13:56:43 [Muz]
Thank god you're not Finnish or you'd be laughing at my past few week's worth of listens
13:56:43 [FauxFaux]
Your ex sounds pro, do you have her number?
13:56:47 [niklas]
I've been waiting 3-4 weeks
13:56:48 [niklas]
haha
13:57:20 [niklas]
Nylon Beat?
13:57:25 [Muz]
:D
13:58:18 [FauxFaux]
:D
13:58:39 [niklas]
seems like youre into finnish girls :P
13:59:03 [FauxFaux]
Finnish girls? Doesn't sound like Muz' scene. *runs*
13:59:10 [niklas]
out of your top 8 artists 7 are finnish girls/girl groups
13:59:26 [Muz]
\o/
13:59:37 [niklas]
seems like good music. too bad I dont understand the lyrics
13:59:59 [FauxFaux]
Don't understand the lyrics? Have you ever listend to dance music before? :p
14:00:32 [Muz]
It's all trashy pop music heh
14:00:34 [niklas]
haha
14:00:55 [FauxFaux]
Your musical compatibility with mustaqila is: Very Low. Music you have in common includes Nightwish, Avantasia,.. wait, what? Who?
14:01:07 [FauxFaux]
Oh, the epic maneuver song is Nightwish, isn't it.
14:01:13 [Muz]
which one'd that be?
14:01:21 [Muz]
Or has Fred been abusing you again FauxFaux?
14:01:30 [niklas]
FauxFaux: whats your last.fm username?
14:01:42 [FauxFaux]
Faux.
14:01:48 [FauxFaux]
Muz: Ghost Love Score.
14:02:01 [Muz]
Ahhhh, before they went from "bad" to "shit"
14:02:36 [FauxFaux]
DUN DER LUN DUN DUN DER DUN DUN DER DUN.
14:02:53 [Clint]
mifflin
14:05:48 [srotta]
Nothing wrong with Nylon Beat lyrics.
14:06:03 [Muz]
srotta, yes, like sex in the back of a taxi
14:06:39 [srotta]
Exactly.
14:06:40 [Muz]
(Seksi vie ja taksi tuo :P)
14:06:44 [FauxFaux]
Nothing wrong with that, either.
14:06:45 [Muz]
Ah, you know the track
14:07:11 [srotta]
There's very little I don't know.
14:07:11 [srotta]
8)
14:07:16 [Muz]
D:
14:07:29 [FauxFaux]
You wouldn't happen to know of a cure for AIDS, would you?
14:07:43 [FauxFaux]
Preferably that can be used via. aerial dispersment.
14:07:47 [srotta]
I don't think it's mentioned in Nylon Beat lyrics.
14:07:56 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux types "aerial dissperment".
14:08:04 [Muz]
srotta, you can't deny the videos as being amazingly bad though
14:08:08 [Muz]
they shouldn't act ;)
14:09:07 [srotta]
Yeah, they are pretty bad. Part of it is reaffirming their imago, but that's no excuse.
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14:46:12 [milosz_]
hmm it seems the page of PicardTagMapping is out of date
14:46:55 [milosz_]
luks, which is right for release type? MUSICBRAINZ_ALBUMTYPE or RELEASETYPE?
14:47:08 [milosz_]
for vorbis
14:47:12 [milosz_]
Picard just, if i didn't do it wrong, tagged some vorbis files with RELEASETYPE
15:02:01 [luks]
milosz_: should be RELEASETYPE
15:02:19 [luks]
it's not exactly MB specific, and I wanted to remove the MB prefix from all such fields
15:04:08 [luks]
I'll fix the page later
15:05:56 [luks]
hmm, it still uses MusicBrainz Album Type for ID3
15:06:21 [outsidecontext]
and for mp4
15:06:39 [outsidecontext]
?
15:10:12 [luks]
and MusicBrainz Album Release Country :(
15:10:39 [luks]
which is totally not MB related
15:17:17 [outsidecontext]
luks: how bad is it to change this now?
15:18:12 [luks]
same
15:18:21 [luks]
I hate doing incompatible changed in Picard, but I'll probably change this in 1.0
15:18:23 [outsidecontext]
after all it is in use for some time
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15:19:52 [luks]
(I hope for 0.12 to be 1.0, but we will see :))
15:20:10 [luks]
*changes
15:22:10 [outsidecontext]
luks: :) what are your plans for 1.0? Do you have a feature list?
15:24:21 [outsidecontext]
oh, and did you think about a 0.10.1 tarball?
15:25:09 [luks]
well, it's broken but at least it's consistently broken :)
15:25:36 [luks]
I'd prefer to not do it in 0.10 -> 0.11
15:26:28 [luks]
in 1.0 we can say "this is the final tag mapping"
15:26:34 [outsidecontext]
given 0.12 will be 1.0 i'm not sure if it is a good idea to change the tagging just before the release
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15:28:27 [outsidecontext]
hi sonium
15:28:33 [sonium]
hi
15:29:24 [luks]
no, just polishing some bits, fixing the most annoying bugs
15:29:51 [luks]
feature-wise, I don't think there is anything I'd like to add
15:30:00 [luks]
uh, I forgot
15:30:09 [luks]
I meant to do it on sunday
15:30:39 [outsidecontext]
:) small issue, maybe. so far there is no bug report about the menu
15:30:45 [luks]
I don't know if 0.12 will be 1.0, I'd just like it to be :)
15:31:21 [luks]
* luks goes off for a moment
15:33:11 [milosz_]
what's the proper tag then for id3v2?
15:33:18 [milosz_]
for album type
15:33:20 [milosz_]
and release country?
15:33:56 [outsidecontext]
milosz: at the moment it is as on the wiki
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15:34:17 [milosz_]
outsidecontext, yeah i get it but in our metadata reader, i can add support for the older tags and the proper tags
15:34:24 [milosz_]
just wondering in advance what would be right..
15:34:30 [outsidecontext]
ah :)
15:34:56 [sonium]
outsidecontext: do you know if there is a queue for the lookup process? I only fould one for analyze.
15:34:58 [outsidecontext]
luks will know
15:35:26 [milosz_]
ok maybe he'll be back
15:35:46 [sonium]
I didn't find one yesterday, but now have a different sollution that doesn't reley on the queues
15:36:08 [outsidecontext]
sonium: lookup goes into the "other" queue, i think
15:36:23 [sonium]
very expressive name ;)
15:37:11 [outsidecontext]
i'm not entirely sure, though, but you should easily find out by looking at the lookup action
15:37:30 [outsidecontext]
what was your goal?
15:37:44 [sonium]
tracking the progress of lookup or scan
15:38:05 [sonium]
but got it working in another way now
15:38:14 [outsidecontext]
ok, how?
15:38:48 [sonium]
there is a file method that gets called after a file got scanned or looked up
15:39:16 [outsidecontext]
ah, i understand
15:39:35 [sonium]
each time this method gets called I substract one from the number of ungrouped files before the process
15:40:09 [sonium]
It doesn't display the progress right now, but I also need it to know if it is finished at all
15:40:34 [milosz_]
sonium, you're working on a progress display?
15:40:56 [sonium]
not right now, but would be quite easy to add
15:41:09 [outsidecontext]
yes, the queues currently don't provide this info. there is some code which suggests how it could work, but nothing ready.
15:41:33 [milosz_]
i was already thinking of adding progress/status at least for critical operations
15:41:40 [sonium]
they have qsize method, but the comment says that it isn't reliable
15:41:52 [milosz_]
for example when you re-save files which picard sees already as tagged, luks said it actually does resave them but you see no GUI feedback
15:42:08 [milosz_]
also there is no feedback on submitting PUIDs which might sometimes cause people to prematurely quit the app
15:44:28 [outsidecontext]
sonium, milosz: i played with some implementation for counting the queue length and providing the number of open tasks to the user. the idea was that picard would finish all open tasks before closing, but it is not working properly right now
15:44:46 [outsidecontext]
didn't have the time to finish the work
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15:51:58 [milosz_]
hey i've got a question for our media player
15:52:08 [milosz_]
i've added support for filtering the view by release type
15:52:17 [milosz_]
now i'm not sure this is really the best way, right now it's exclusive:
15:52:17 [milosz_]
http://futurepast.free.fr/STATIC/releasetypes-1.jpg
15:52:29 [sonium]
outsidecontext: what do you think would be the best sollution if the user would try to display the supportbox when he already started to do something?
15:52:44 [milosz_]
if it was inclusive, then it would take a lot of steps to make it just show one kind of release on the other hand
15:52:49 [sonium]
it could be in an indefinite state
15:53:27 [sonium]
one sollution would be to say that it will be there next time you start picard
15:54:07 [outsidecontext]
sonium: i think it should be displayed immediatelly
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15:54:53 [sonium]
hrm... there actually is only one point where user interaction is required
15:55:14 [sonium]
if I could get rid of this it could run in the background
15:55:32 [milosz_]
ok the question is (from me :) would you prefer and exclusive mode like right now
15:55:37 [outsidecontext]
i see three options: you have to check for a proper state on load, display the first logical state or if it is really depending on user interaction the state should be monitored whether the help is shown or not
15:55:53 [milosz_]
or make it inclusive so you can toggle invidual release type on or off separate from the others?
15:57:16 [sonium]
If performance is not the problem I would choose number 3
15:57:22 [aCiD2]
how do I enter a track labelled as "Deep Chord presents: Echo Space" - "Empyrean"
15:57:32 [aCiD2]
Like that, or by just "Echo Space" ?
15:57:41 [milosz_]
aCiD2, is that 2 artists?
15:58:25 [aCiD2]
http://www.discogs.com/release/973357
15:58:26 [aCiD2]
yea
15:58:26 [milosz_]
i need to add a search string parser so people can filter it straight from the search and not trough the GUI
15:58:57 [milosz_]
aCiD2, i'd say just Echo Space
15:59:06 [milosz_]
with probably some AR if that exists
15:59:08 [aCiD2]
Mmm
15:59:36 [aCiD2]
blah, deepchord is a member of echospace :S
15:59:42 [aCiD2]
under echospace it goes
16:00:15 [milosz_]
damn no one can give me an UI tip? :|
16:10:32 [outsidecontext]
milosz: both is good :) i would love to choose multiple release types, but i hate selecting and deselecting various checkboxes
16:12:30 [luks]
milosz_: do you change your gnome theme every week? :)
16:12:55 [milosz_]
luks, heh :P
16:12:59 [luks]
everytime I see a screenshot from you, it's different
16:13:08 [milosz_]
could be :>
16:18:31 [milosz_]
outsidecontext, ok thanks
16:18:37 [milosz_]
i can imagine really complex semantics for this
16:19:03 [milosz_]
e.g. if all types are selected and you select one, it deselects all others except for the one, and then you can keep adding more, and there's one option to reset it to all
16:19:24 [milosz_]
i think i'll do that
16:19:41 [milosz_]
besides if that sucks, one can always use the search text filtering like releasetype:album :)
16:20:01 [luks]
I think you should handle this in the search box
16:20:10 [luks]
"releasetype:album OR releasetype:compilation"
16:20:22 [milosz_]
yeah the search box can do it
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16:22:22 [luks]
off topic, what e-mail clients do you people use on linux?
16:22:32 [luks]
I've been using evolution for a long time, but I'm starting to really hate it
16:22:42 [Wizzcat]
opera :)
16:22:48 [luks]
but I'm not sure if there is something better
16:22:51 [srotta]
mutt.
16:22:59 [outsidecontext]
luks: i'm using evolution for a really long time, and i started to hate it :)
16:23:02 [milosz_]
i just use gmail
16:23:10 [milosz_]
i used thunderbird before that
16:23:13 [outsidecontext]
used thunderbird a few years ago
16:23:15 [milosz_]
for a long time
16:23:21 [Tykling]
thunderbird
16:23:25 [srotta]
Thunderbird, too, but mutt more often.
16:23:53 [outsidecontext]
in many cases i'm just using the gmail interface right now instead of evolution
16:23:54 [srotta]
Thunderbird has that obsessive-compulsive "I'll use HTML because I want to" thingie.
16:24:55 [luks]
I used thunderbird on windows, but it seems more buggy on linux
16:25:04 [luks]
maybe I should just try if I can live with mutt
16:25:16 [sonium]
I also switched to the gmail interface after years with thunderbird and evolution
16:25:22 [luks]
I like evolution in theory, but it's so slow and buggy... :(
16:25:50 [Muz]
Outlook! In a VM! \o.
16:25:50 [caillon]
luks, newer versions are MUCH better.
16:25:54 [Muz]
\o/, even
16:26:04 [outsidecontext]
luks: yep, slow and buggy (less buggy lately)
16:26:11 [outsidecontext]
muz: nooooo
16:26:27 [Muz]
evolution's Exchange support is shit
16:26:38 [MBChatLogger]
I hate the evil empire
16:26:38 [caillon]
so is microsoft's
16:26:40 [Muz]
Thunderbird is generally crappy too heh
16:26:50 [Muz]
caillon, nonsense, their support for Exchange is pretty good :P
16:27:43 [sonium]
what is Exchange actually good for? I thought it way just some calendar/timetable thing?
16:29:14 [Muz]
It's not just calendaring, but email, tasks and shared storage too, all tightly integrated with one another
16:30:03 [Muz]
the only problem is that if you're not using Outlook or a Blackberry, Exchange support is pretty shit
16:30:23 [srotta]
And if you're using Outlook it's still pretty crappy.
16:30:31 [srotta]
Don't know about Blackberry.
16:30:43 [Muz]
srotta, what's so bad about the Exchange support on Outlook?
16:31:02 [srotta]
Muz: I guess nothing bad with the support, it's the Outlook itself.
16:31:03 [srotta]
8)
16:31:21 [Muz]
I was only talking about the Exchange support ;)
16:31:42 [Muz]
I've yet to find any mail client I entirely like heh
16:32:20 [srotta]
Yeah, there are none.
16:32:54 [outsidecontext]
what's so great about mutt
16:32:55 [outsidecontext]
?
16:33:45 [srotta]
Nothing great, but after you get round the obligatory "it's unix so it must be cryptic" interface, it actually works.
16:34:10 [outsidecontext]
if you find your mail :( http://www.mutt.org/screenshots/index.gif
16:34:25 [outsidecontext]
look frightening
16:34:29 [outsidecontext]
*looks
16:35:43 [srotta]
Well, it's the same way as any other mail client. If you have enough mail in a single box it'll become pretty unmanageable, or looks frightening, at the very least. 8)
16:36:47 [outsidecontext]
:) my outlook looks frightening at the moment, too
16:36:47 [srotta]
And of course there's the horrible console thing ;)
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17:07:02 [luks]
hm, maybe I should write my own mail client
17:07:11 [luks]
but probably my media player first
17:07:40 [Wizzcat]
why would you want a custom media player?
17:09:13 [luks]
because every player sucks, just liky every mail client
17:09:14 [milosz_]
isn't every media player "custom"?
17:10:01 [milosz_]
i'd be looking forward to that
17:10:14 [milosz_]
wonder what a media player would look like by someone who majorly hacked on Picard
17:10:42 [Wizzcat]
depends what you mean by suck
17:11:00 [milosz_]
i also think that most media players focus on nosense so i'm writing my own
17:11:12 [milosz_]
the previous one we wrote admittedly wasn't that great and also sucked
17:11:20 [milosz_]
but this one's quite different
17:12:05 [luks]
something like a mix of quodlibet and foobar
17:12:14 [luks]
the opposite of "doesn't suck" :)
17:12:59 [luks]
oh, and another thing I need to write is my own DB designer app
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17:15:16 [milosz_]
luks, the opposite of doesn't suck would be "doesn't rock"? :P
17:15:46 [luks]
heh
17:17:19 [niklas]
Im getting the "it looks like your postgres database cluster was created with locale bla bla musicbrainz needs the "C" locale instead blabla" error when importing the dump files. I think I should comment some line in InitDb.pl? It does not say anything about that in INSTALL though
17:17:28 [luks]
I wonder why is it so hard to write a good mail client, though
17:18:04 [luks]
niklas: technically, you do what the error message says
17:18:13 [luks]
but commenting the check in InitDb.pl is fine
17:18:39 [niklas]
luks: is the check I want to comment unless ($locale eq "C") and then the following rows?
17:18:54 [niklas]
because I did comment that but got another error so I assumed I had commented out the wrong lines
17:19:00 [luks]
yes
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17:19:27 [luks]
what error?
17:19:35 [Wizzcat]
luks: because interface design is hard, and mail protocols are notoriously bad
17:20:17 [luks]
I like gmail, but I'd prefer a local app
17:20:42 [aCiD2]
I'm liking my GMail enough now that I've set the labels up with colours and better filters
17:20:44 [niklas]
getting syntax error. full output here: http://rafb.net/p/9siKNB72.html
17:21:05 [niklas]
I like Mail :)
17:21:11 [luks]
somebody should steel gmail's UI and write a local application
17:21:25 [aCiD2]
Mail was quite nice when I used that
17:21:38 [Senilix]
luks: zimbra?
17:22:01 [Senilix]
a local web application, but still local ;)
17:22:33 [luks]
niklas: I think you didn't comment out the whole block
17:22:52 [niklas]
youre so right!
17:22:52 [luks]
I'd probably like Mail
17:23:14 [niklas]
there was a multi-line string and I only commented the first line :)
17:23:50 [ruaok]
* ruaok wonders if Mail == Mail.app on OS X
17:23:55 [niklas]
it is
17:23:58 [ruaok]
I don't despise mail.app
17:24:18 [ruaok]
its the best imap client I've ever seen, actually.
17:24:36 [niklas]
if you like the gmail UI and are on a mac you might like Mailplane
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17:38:50 [nikki]
I wouldn't mind mail.app if only it would thread things
17:40:35 [nikki]
well, I use it anyway so it can't be that bad, but I really miss having proper threaded conversations
17:42:33 [Muz]
* Muz never uses threading on email clients
17:44:31 [Wizzcat]
reading mailing lists without threading is hell
17:44:37 [aCiD2]
threading is such a must
17:44:41 [aCiD2]
yup
17:45:02 [Muz]
I purposefully turned off threading on the mailing lists I'm subscribed to
17:45:08 [Muz]
I only ever found the feature annoying as fuck
17:45:44 [luks]
I always turn threading off as well
17:45:49 [srotta]
Yeah, it's hard to read mails in order that actually makes sense.
17:45:53 [srotta]
;)
17:45:56 [luks]
it's nice for a few threads, but it gets quickly confusing
17:46:33 [srotta]
It gets problematic only when people use mail clients that don't add references. Or reply to digest mails :|
17:47:13 [luks]
I have problem keeping track of new mails with threading
17:47:18 [Muz]
digest mails should be sent from no-reply@blah, so that replies never appear
17:47:35 [Muz]
And then people who do reply to the digest get a large boot fly out of their monitor and into their face
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17:51:00 [nikki]
I guess threading is just one of those things... you either love using it or hate using it
17:51:40 [niklas]
I ran into another error when importing :( http://rafb.net/p/WOYEbQ78.html
17:51:51 [niklas]
"$sql->Rollback called without $sql->Begin at /home/mbserver/mbserver_populate_dateadded/trunk/admin/MBImport.pl line 315"
17:52:16 [niklas]
as if something is wrong in the script?
17:52:34 [luks]
niklas: the line above is important
17:53:15 [luks]
the script doesn't like to fail, but that's not the reason why it failed
17:53:31 [ruaok]
* ruaok knows the answer. one second.
17:54:05 [luks]
niklas: can you paste a few more lines?
17:55:00 [niklas]
oh ok. more complete output here: http://rafb.net/p/pmGsNd44.html
17:55:04 [ruaok]
niklas: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/changeset/10192/mb_server/trunk/admin/sql/CreateTables.sql?format=diff&new=10192
17:55:13 [ruaok]
apply that diff and go again.
17:55:28 [ruaok]
I have no idea why that happens, but going forward that issue is fixed.
17:56:04 [luks]
"ERROR: missing data for column "lastupdate"
17:56:13 [luks]
"
17:56:22 [luks]
ruaok: no, that's not the problem
17:56:31 [luks]
niklas is trying to import the DB dump into trunk
17:57:02 [luks]
niklas: you need to use the latest release branch to import the DB
17:57:17 [luks]
you can upgrade to trunk, or your branch later
17:57:26 [luks]
but the import must be done on the old DB schema
17:57:29 [niklas]
* niklas is lost
17:57:45 [ruaok]
ah. the problem I see will come later when importing the moderation_tables, which niklas needs for the script I wrote for him.
17:58:01 [niklas]
Im using the RELEASE_20071014-BRANCH branch
17:58:40 [luks]
run svn info in /home/mbserver/mbserver_populate_dateadded/trunk/
17:58:49 [luks]
but the name suggests it's trunk :)
17:58:58 [luks]
and so does the error message
17:59:06 [niklas]
oh
17:59:07 [niklas]
yes
17:59:08 [niklas]
hmm
17:59:15 [niklas]
it is trunk
17:59:26 [niklas]
thought it was that branch
17:59:42 [niklas]
alright so I'll get that branch and importing should be ok?
17:59:55 [ruaok]
apply the patch I linked to before importing.
18:00:03 [ruaok]
otherwise the moderations will not import.
18:00:03 [niklas]
ok
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luks: I've opened a ticket for the mediawiki dns change
18:44:04 [luks]
thanks
18:46:57 [caillon]
can someone help me with a merge release edit? want to make sure i do it right...
18:52:42 [Dieterbe]
what's the problem?
18:53:22 [caillon]
so there's a release which is attributed to one artist, and another release which is attributed to the artist but it's a VA style one, where each track has a different artist...
18:54:17 [caillon]
i'm not sure if i want to choose "Single Artist" or "Various Artists" on the merge page
18:54:46 [Wizzcat]
presumably VA if you're merging into that one
18:54:48 [luks]
Single Artist
18:54:48 [caillon]
or maybe one of the other buttons
18:55:10 [caillon]
(i want to merge into the one that has different artists for each track)
18:55:15 [luks]
VA merge shold be removed, it's useless now
18:55:42 [luks]
yes, still Single Artist merge
18:55:52 [Wizzcat]
what does the va merge do?
18:56:14 [luks]
nothing but moves the release artist to VA
18:56:33 [luks]
I mean it's exactly the same as SA merge
18:56:39 [Wizzcat]
that sounds very useless indeed
18:56:42 [luks]
except for that
18:56:59 [caillon]
ah
18:57:15 [caillon]
and it'll leave the track artists alone?
18:57:36 [luks]
there are historical reasons why there are two types, but since the addition of release artists it's really useless
18:57:45 [luks]
yes, both of them will leave track artists alone
18:58:30 [caillon]
and keep the track names on the one i'm merging into, hopefully
18:59:32 [luks]
of course
19:01:47 [caillon]
thanks
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oops, I bought more midi equipment
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* aCiD2 tuts
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20:05:13 [Muzzz]
aCiD2: ooooh?
20:05:17 [Muzzz]
Whatchaget?
20:06:45 [aCiD2]
I got an Akai MPD
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pad controller :)
20:07:24 [aCiD2]
been wanting one for ages and after seeing flying lotus play an incredible set with a few, I decided to bite the bullet
20:08:04 [Muzzz]
Hah, nice
20:08:28 [aCiD2]
setting the macbook up for it now, as my vista installation is being ghey
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and I cba to have to reboot everytime I want to make some choons
20:08:48 [Muzzz]
Heh
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yawn
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Oh god I'm hungry
20:09:23 [aCiD2]
how's your playing coming on?
20:09:39 [Muzzz]
It's errr... coming along :P
20:10:27 [aCiD2]
hehe :P
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20:43:33 [warp]
can anyone tell me if this is simplified or traditional? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Me%E3%80%80%E5%8D%83%E9%9D%A2%E5%A5%B3%E5%AD%A9
20:43:38 [warp]
(i'm guessing simplified)
20:49:52 [warp]
hm, is this ( http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/3020 ) live on the current server? i was about to report it, it's supposed to be fixed but in my experience it isn't.
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* nikki looks
20:58:51 [aCiD2]
huh... synegry is laggly insanely :(
20:59:00 [nikki]
warp: traditional
21:09:20 [warp]
nikki: oh meh. thanks
21:10:18 [warp]
drat, one of the credits is in han too.
21:10:25 [warp]
* warp tries to find a copy/pasteable source
21:14:44 [ruaok]
luks: the DNS changes have been made, but the changes haven't propagated yet.
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21:16:59 [warp]
nikki: any idea if there is some tool out there which can help me find a particular chinese han character? :)
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how exactly? by drawing it?
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21:18:31 [warp]
nikki: building it up from the base parts perhaps?
21:19:33 [nikki]
hmm
21:19:35 [Kerensky97]
I've seen a kanji one.
21:19:38 [Kerensky97]
http://kanji.sljfaq.org/draw.html
21:19:48 [nikki]
I saw some kanji one with the radicals
21:22:04 [nikki]
I didn't bookmark it though 'cause I can just draw me (<3 that dictionary thing for the ds)
21:22:04 [nikki]
draw *them*
21:22:04 [nikki]
don't suppose you've got a picture, warp?
21:22:10 [nikki]
and I don't suppose it's on here: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/CreditTranslations/Chinese ?
21:22:18 [warp]
nikki: not currently, but i can scan it tomorrow.
21:23:05 [niklas]
should be possible to run it though OCR and then find the character in an online dictionary?
21:24:53 [warp]
oh, that is a useful wiki page. (i already found those characters through other means though)
21:25:08 [warp]
nikki: the person being credited is written in han
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21:33:33 [warp]
wb
21:33:40 [nikki]
thanks
21:33:46 [nikki]
* nikki kicks the stupid internet connection
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* nikki checks the chatlogs
21:37:49 [Wizzcat]
thank god for twenty year old protocols
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grnt
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natta
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21:50:59 [warp]
nikki: http://musicbrainz.org/release/f27de16b-bb5c-4a0e-9f40-9221c8a4c509.html
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21:53:32 [warp]
gar.. this chinese is too much work. i've only entered one album in musicbrainz tonight.
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21:55:22 [warp]
and picard is being silly.
21:58:16 [warp]
luks: picard is saving the tags properly but fails to rename files with this error: http://pastie.org/247357
22:07:48 [warp]
luks: hm, the bzr repo seems to have moved.. i wanted to quickly check if it was fixed already.
22:08:07 [warp]
i can file a bug report tomorrow if you want, for now.. this is what's happening:
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cd "~/tag/these/files/artist - album"; ~/opt/picard/tagger.py . (that produces an error, .flac files exist in that directory).
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cd "~/tag/these/files"; ~/opt/picard/tagger.py . (that works, .flac files exist only is subdirectories).
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22:28:49 [ruaok]
ok, I finished configging our new switch.
22:28:55 [ruaok]
now it needs a name.
22:29:00 [ruaok]
who should name it?
22:29:16 [FauxFaux]
aCiD2, if he finishes the catalyst aids.
22:29:23 [Muzzz]
FauxFaux should!
22:29:35 [FauxFaux]
Assuming he hasn't topped himself yet.
22:32:14 [aCiD2]
oh yea, sure FauxFaux, I'll finish it right now
22:32:16 [aCiD2]
-_-
22:32:23 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux whips.
22:32:50 [ruaok]
ok, anyone... give me a cartoon character name for our new switch...
22:33:03 [aCiD2]
patrick!
22:33:10 [Muzzz]
What's that from?
22:33:31 [aCiD2]
spongebob
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http://www.funbumperstickers.com/images/Patrick_star.gif
22:33:38 [Muzzz]
Ohhhh, that Patrick
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22:33:55 [ruaok]
that's a lame name for a cartoon character.
22:33:56 [ruaok]
NEXT!
22:34:00 [aCiD2]
* aCiD2 has a rocking patrick on his desk
22:34:05 [aCiD2]
pfft
22:34:35 [aCiD2]
we already have a dexter, right?
22:34:50 [aCiD2]
courage? after the dog? doesn't really work well for a name though
22:35:12 [ruaok]
yeah, we have dexter.
22:35:27 [Muzzz]
Something from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_in_My_Little_Pony_(TV_Series)
22:35:46 [ruaok]
* ruaok shudders
22:35:46 [warp]
ruaok: did i get misty yet?
22:35:51 [ruaok]
yep.
22:35:56 [FauxFaux]
\o/
22:35:57 [ruaok]
going to get racked tomorrow.
22:35:58 [warp]
ok, i'll be silent then :)
22:36:02 [ruaok]
along with jem.
22:36:05 [warp]
haha
22:36:12 [ruaok]
though jem will likely go live first.
22:39:26 [ruaok]
I think I'm going to go with Gir
22:39:44 [ruaok]
Since zim is getting retired, we can use another character from that show
22:40:04 [Muzzz]
Gir!
22:40:33 [Muzzz]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIR_(Invader_Zim) EVeryone loves Gir
22:41:39 [Muzzz]
FauxFaux: http://tenreasonsitwouldruletodateaunicorn.com/
22:42:08 [aCiD2]
ruaok: good call getting me into thievery corp btw :)
22:42:13 [aCiD2]
saw them live friday night, very good show
22:42:15 [ruaok]
:-)
22:42:22 [FauxFaux]
Muzzz: Seen it. :)
22:42:24 [ruaok]
I saw them in concert last month. good shit, no?
22:42:35 [aCiD2]
oh aye, 4 encores was a bit of piss take, but yea... whatever :P
22:42:42 [Muzzz]
Bah FauxFaux, get a job already rather than spending all your time on the interweb
22:42:58 [FauxFaux]
I have a job, I just can't be bothered to start it. :P
22:43:06 [aCiD2]
yea, get a job like me, where you spend all your time on the intarwebs AND get paid
22:43:22 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux is coding, I just have enough screens. ¬_¬
22:43:30 [aCiD2]
uh hu
22:43:40 [aCiD2]
pony porn on 2 of them and irc on the other
22:43:42 [warp]
on the topic of unicorns: http://www.eegra.com/show/sub/cat/comics/
22:43:58 [FauxFaux]
My parents keep hinting that I should a) buy a new screen and b) that they really want to buy me stuff for my birthday.. does this mean I should order it nao?
22:44:08 [aCiD2]
lol
22:44:13 [aCiD2]
don't you already have 3?
22:44:18 [FauxFaux]
Having said that, I think their definition of screen is quite a few inches shorter than mine.
22:44:25 [FauxFaux]
Only two plugged in, and my prort is dying. :(
22:44:41 [aCiD2]
(23:44:19) FauxFaux: Having said that, I think her definition of big is quite a few inches bigger than mine.
22:44:56 [Muzzz]
lol
22:45:01 [FauxFaux]
</subtle>
22:45:48 [nikki]
as long as they don't think screens mean those furniture things like http://www.woodshanti.com/images/furniture/bedrooms/new-screen.jpg :P
22:45:58 [aCiD2]
that's a lovely screen
22:46:01 [aCiD2]
I'd love duals of them
22:46:03 [nikki]
not sure what you'd do with a bunch of those
22:46:10 [FauxFaux]
Heh, nikki, it's huge. <3
22:46:24 [nikki]
but not compatible with many computers :(
22:46:34 [FauxFaux]
That's what she said.
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22:47:12 [FauxFaux]
Hmm, 30" dell only £800 this week on overclockers.
22:47:20 [FauxFaux]
Wait, real world, real world.
22:47:34 [aCiD2]
* aCiD2 has 800 quid spare...hmmm
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22:47:49 [Muzzz]
aCiD2: I hate you.
22:48:14 [FauxFaux]
+VAT, oops. :p
22:48:16 [aCiD2]
mwahahaha
22:48:24 [warp]
* warp wants to spend EUR 2000 on a bed, but doesn't have it :P
22:48:35 [aCiD2]
I wonder if I can be VAT exempt by claiming I "work for" MusicBrainz
22:48:36 [aCiD2]
:P
22:48:41 [FauxFaux]
If I cunningly ignore the fact that I'll have to, like, pay for accomodation and food I could probably cause myself to afford it...
22:51:49 [Muzzz]
Don't be silly FauxFaux
22:51:53 [Muzzz]
You don't need to pay for food
22:52:38 [FauxFaux]
I'm not going to like what you're going to say next.
22:53:34 [Muzzz]
Well, if you have a job, I assume it'll be in an office. An ooffice that provides free tea/cofee + biccits
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22:57:54 [aCiD2]
anyone know if there's a last.fm app for crackbook that shows your loved tracks?
22:59:12 [nikki]
probably :P
22:59:51 [aCiD2]
lol
22:59:59 [aCiD2]
not helpful nikki :P
23:01:08 [nikki]
:P
23:01:51 [aCiD2]
oh nice, don't even need an app
23:01:57 [aCiD2]
you can just "import the feed"
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