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IRC log of musicbrainz on 2008-09-03

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04:25:35 [VxJasonxV]
ugh
04:25:44 [VxJasonxV]
MBz needs to have a link that displays the album in entirely plain text and simple
04:25:49 [VxJasonxV]
something like a reverse track parser
04:26:00 [VxJasonxV]
(perhaps I could say, click a link and it prints the release out in track parser parseable format)
05:21:08 [VxJasonxV]
I guess I could do something snazzy with GreaseMonkey and the REST API, but I don't have the time for that :/
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07:31:17 [outsidecontext]
hey ruaok, still awake?
07:31:28 [ruaok]
ein bisschen schon. :)
07:31:37 [ruaok]
* ruaok arbeitet an fotos
07:31:39 [outsidecontext]
haha :) noch am arbeiten?
07:31:44 [outsidecontext]
ah
07:32:00 [ruaok]
nur noch 200 zu bearbeiten. :)
07:32:07 [outsidecontext]
das geht noch diese nacht
07:32:34 [ruaok]
hoffentlich. :)
07:32:45 [ruaok]
morgen gehts wieder an die arbeit.
07:34:35 [outsidecontext]
ruaok: sind alle gsoc umfragen von uns rechtzeitig eingegangen?
07:34:57 [ruaok]
noch nicht nachgeschaut.
07:36:19 [outsidecontext]
wird schon gepasst haben :) dann noch viel spaß mit den fotos
07:40:23 [ruaok]
* ruaok guckt mal nach
07:41:12 [ruaok]
yup. alle da. :)
07:41:32 [ruaok]
soll ich dir deine $500 schicken?
07:41:55 [ruaok]
ich biete das immer den mentoren an, aber bis jetzt hat noch niemand das angenommen.
07:42:25 [ruaok]
ich habe "meine" $500 in london in der kneipe ausgegeben.
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07:58:15 [outsidecontext]
ruaok: ne, die 500 sind für MB
07:58:29 [ruaok]
k.
07:58:41 [ruaok]
wir sollten versuchen t-shirts zu entwerfen.
07:58:55 [ruaok]
und die mit dem GSoC geldern finanzieren.
07:58:56 [outsidecontext]
oh ja, der agenda punkt ist untergegangen
07:59:04 [outsidecontext]
mb summit 09?
07:59:10 [ruaok]
wiki seite.
07:59:22 [ruaok]
und dann shirts beim summit 09 vergeben. :-)
07:59:30 [outsidecontext]
gute idee
08:00:17 [outsidecontext]
wir sollten ein paar kreative köpfe hier haben :) und hoffentlich auch ein paar visuell begabte
08:00:30 [ruaok]
ein t-shirt design haben wir schon.
08:00:35 [ruaok]
nur der slogan fehlt.
08:01:02 [outsidecontext]
ah
08:01:25 [CatCat]
[06:25] VxJasonxVMBz needs to have a link that displays the album in entirely plain text and simple
08:01:25 [CatCat]
[06:25] VxJasonxVsomething like a reverse track parser <---
08:01:32 [CatCat]
* CatCat totally wants that too
08:01:48 [ruaok]
hi CatCat
08:01:53 [ruaok]
thanks for the coco and fish!
08:02:13 [ruaok]
but, next time, please don't send perishable fish. package was a little nasty when it arrived. :-(
08:02:56 [CatCat]
:O it's not supposed to be perishable
08:03:11 [CatCat]
sorry
08:03:12 [CatCat]
:(
08:03:15 [ruaok]
it expires in 9 days, but says to store between 2 and 8 C
08:03:23 [ruaok]
no worries. the choco is still good. :)
08:03:34 [CatCat]
and the metalboxes shoudl be ok
08:03:45 [ruaok]
* ruaok nods
08:03:54 [CatCat]
the plastic cointainer shouls be good too. as long as it hasnt bee nopened
08:04:24 [CatCat]
you liked sursild (pickled herring) so much i wanted to send that too. :)
08:04:52 [ruaok]
it was the plastic container that leaked and went bad
08:04:58 [ruaok]
my favorite too! :-(
08:05:02 [CatCat]
it leaked? aw damn
08:05:08 [CatCat]
sorry
08:05:16 [ruaok]
* ruaok nods
08:05:24 [CatCat]
for the next summit you can have bucket loads
08:05:35 [CatCat]
if the scandinavian idea is still on
08:05:45 [CatCat]
they actually sell it in buckets :)
08:06:13 [ruaok]
lol
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08:06:50 [CatCat]
so the most recent sumit is called summit "09" yes?
08:06:53 [Muzzz_]
Noes, theys be takin mah bukkits
08:07:00 [CatCat]
what was this talk about t-shirts?
08:07:02 [ruaok]
dah.
08:07:10 [ruaok]
t-shirts. we need em.
08:07:18 [Muzzz_]
http://www.shouston.com/images/walrus_bucket.jpg
08:07:19 [CatCat]
oohhh
08:07:34 [CatCat]
yea! i totally want a t-shirt with mb logo on it
08:08:41 [ruaok]
you can order one now.
08:08:52 [CatCat]
yeaa.. but..
08:08:52 [ruaok]
its just not very creative, or a good quality.
08:08:55 [CatCat]
yes
08:09:16 [CatCat]
i still have an idea for a cap that says "I have music on the brainz"
08:09:23 [ruaok]
:-)
08:09:33 [CatCat]
black with white text
08:09:40 [CatCat]
or white with mb colours
08:09:50 [Muzzz_]
mo, and it can have moose antlers, and say "I have moose sick on the brainz"
08:09:58 [CatCat]
loi
08:10:04 [Muzzz_]
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08:10:11 [Muzzz]
omnomnomunderscore
08:10:17 [CatCat]
XD
08:10:24 [CatCat]
nam!
08:10:58 [alastairp]
* alastairp pays off visa
08:10:59 [alastairp]
sigh
08:11:38 [CatCat]
* CatCat notes that a new sushi resturant opened in the mini-mall closest to his house
08:11:52 [CatCat]
its the palce i ususally go to buy groceries and stuff
08:11:55 [alastairp]
do they accept visa?
08:12:00 [CatCat]
andthe sushi resturant is *RIGHT* there
08:12:09 [CatCat]
doesn't everything?
08:12:13 [Muzzz]
No :(
08:12:25 [CatCat]
i think most evertyhing accepts it here
08:12:26 [Muzzz]
* Muzzz hates going out for lunch and finding he /needs/ tp be carrying cash
08:12:30 [CatCat]
i have visa mastercard
08:12:54 [alastairp]
can anyone else not get to theregister.co.uk?
08:12:56 [CatCat]
thooo..... they havent gotten their cardmachine yet. wich i only discovered *after* id eaten
08:13:09 [CatCat]
i cant even activate the ling, yo
08:13:15 [CatCat]
link
08:15:40 [warp]
* warp likes carrying cash.
08:15:48 [warp]
cash works
08:16:08 [warp]
i am never entirely certain I didn't max the debit/credit cards >_<
08:16:22 [CatCat]
warp <3
08:16:27 [Muzzz]
I'm good at memorising my balance
08:16:29 [CatCat]
i dont have credit cards
08:16:30 [warp]
hi :)
08:16:36 [CatCat]
and im NOT EVER getting one either
08:16:43 [Wizzcat]
why? it's useful
08:16:47 [CatCat]
thats how mom got in so much depth
08:16:48 [warp]
Muzzz: with my regular bank account, ppl can steal money from it at any time.
08:16:54 [ruaok]
I'm *positive* my card isn't maxxed.
08:17:00 [CatCat]
and i dotn need MY OWN in additino to hers
08:17:06 [ruaok]
during the .com boom they kept raising it.
08:17:09 [ruaok]
and raising it.
08:17:15 [warp]
ruaok: haha
08:17:18 [ruaok]
its still at $42,000
08:17:22 [Wizzcat]
O.o
08:17:24 [CatCat]
uh. whu?
08:17:24 [Muzzz]
lol
08:17:28 [CatCat]
what?
08:17:34 [Muzzz]
Just don't go buying a car or house and you're fine ;)
08:17:35 [warp]
ruaok: fuck, that's a lot
08:17:41 [ruaok]
I could buy a nice car on my CC card.
08:17:47 [CatCat]
* CatCat doesnt understand
08:17:47 [ruaok]
I'm positive its not maxxed. :)
08:18:18 [ruaok]
credit cards have limits, CatCat.
08:18:20 [CatCat]
its maxxed in the other way? loi.
08:18:21 [ruaok]
some more than others.
08:18:23 [CatCat]
* CatCat doesn't get it
08:18:25 [warp]
my CC goes to EUR 2000,-. regular bank account EUR 1000,-. that's already enough trouble for me to get into. brrr.
08:18:29 [ruaok]
starter cards are usuall $500
08:18:46 [Wizzcat]
my cc only goes to 5000nok since I'm a poor student :|
08:18:51 [CatCat]
thats uh 50 000 nok about
08:19:04 [alastairp]
Wizzcat: yeah, only $1500 here for the same reason :-P
08:19:13 [CatCat]
so.. this is how much you can *borrow*
08:19:19 [warp]
CatCat: yes.
08:19:21 [CatCat]
so you can *borrow* that amount?
08:19:23 [CatCat]
aahh
08:19:39 [CatCat]
loi $42,000
08:19:43 [CatCat]
thats A LOT
08:19:48 [alastairp]
CatCat: although, it's noramally not that simple either
08:19:56 [Wizzcat]
it's useful when you're abroad so people don't scam you
08:20:05 [CatCat]
yea well im not getting one so i dont have to worry
08:20:06 [alastairp]
I know on mine, it's just the amount you get 60 day's interest free on
08:20:14 [warp]
CatCat: at insane rates usually though :)
08:20:17 [CatCat]
* CatCat was abroad in london
08:20:23 [alastairp]
if you go over the limit, you get interest charged immediately
08:20:29 [CatCat]
i used my visa mastercard to wirthdraw 100 punds
08:20:39 [CatCat]
* CatCat littel did CatCat know that that was 1000 NOK
08:20:51 [Wizzcat]
visa mastercard? it can't be both :p
08:21:29 [CatCat]
postbanken visa
08:22:52 [Wizzcat]
postbanken? crazy!
08:23:25 [alastairp]
post bank?
08:23:29 [alastairp]
we used to have one of them
08:37:31 [MClemo]
what would be cool: bringing up the edit history if someone tries to change a track or release name to some value it has been set to in the past
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08:44:06 [warp]
MClemo: agreed.
08:46:35 [MClemo]
if I don't forget it til evening, I'll file a feature request in the bug tracker
08:48:08 [alastairp]
is there a style guide for 2 people colaborating, but there's no 'and' in the title?
08:48:29 [alastairp]
e.g. 'Person A / Person B': Title
08:51:48 [MClemo]
I do "Person A & Person B" if it's not a named collaboration of some sort
08:52:10 [MClemo]
and "Person A, Person B & Person C" for more than two artists
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08:53:48 [alastairp]
with an &, or 'and'?
08:54:39 [MClemo]
well, some people take it very literal how the collaboration is named on the release
08:54:46 [MClemo]
see two of my failed edits for that ;-)
08:54:53 [alastairp]
http://www.amazon.com/Art-Duo-Albert-Mangelsdorff-Konitz/dp/B000005C82
08:54:59 [alastairp]
that's what I'm adding
08:55:02 [MClemo]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/FeaturingArtistStyle has something
08:55:22 [MClemo]
for the feat. part. You can use that for the collaborations, I guess
08:55:48 [MClemo]
that's jazz, isn't it?
08:56:03 [alastairp]
yeah
08:56:04 [MClemo]
there the artist business is so difficult, I don't touch that ;-)
08:56:14 [alastairp]
heh
08:56:45 [MClemo]
some jazz dude can help you better probably
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* ruaok uploads his burning man pictures
09:07:00 [ruaok]
sparks: http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2824650460/
09:07:17 [ruaok]
the man: http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2824651084/
09:09:19 [ruaok]
big ass hummer: http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2824652772/
09:11:10 [ruaok]
BURN: http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2823819729/
09:12:20 [ruaok]
stainless steel jungle gym: http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2824657700/
09:12:35 [warp]
* warp will wait for google reader to throw them at him because he's lazy.
09:12:49 [ruaok]
heh. these are just the highlights.
09:12:59 [ruaok]
the BURN one is worth it. :)
09:13:19 [warp]
hehe
09:14:18 [ruaok]
my art project: http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2824659052/
09:14:41 [ruaok]
sunrise: http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2824660686/
09:16:05 [ruaok]
dust!: http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2823827107/
09:17:47 [ruaok]
sagrada basura: http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2824662976/
09:19:46 [ruaok]
real life sierpinksky triangle: http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2823831491/
09:23:05 [alastairp]
it's too small :-P
09:24:41 [ruaok]
too low order you mean?
09:24:50 [ruaok]
it was 2 stories tall
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09:27:07 [alastairp]
yeah, I do
09:27:39 [alastairp]
although, you're right, another level and it would have to be massive
09:28:03 [alastairp]
for some reason I took 'real life' to mean one made out of people lying on the ground :-P
09:28:21 [alastairp]
http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2823831367/in/photostream/
09:28:36 [alastairp]
is there a tendancy to create larger-than-life things?
09:28:54 [ruaok]
or smaller than life.
09:29:06 [ruaok]
this time there was an EXIT sign that was....
09:29:13 [ruaok]
far away and REALLY big.
09:29:19 [ruaok]
or close by and REALLY small.
09:29:27 [ruaok]
I never did bother to go investiage
09:29:53 [alastairp]
you weren't sure which it was, or it was both at the same time?
09:30:04 [ruaok]
http://flickr.com/photos/susanafs98/2819804329/
09:30:14 [ruaok]
normally they are 20-30cm tall.
09:30:21 [ruaok]
that was closer to 2m.
09:30:32 [alastairp]
right :)
09:35:25 [alastairp]
someone tell me where my manuscript is
09:37:39 [CatCat]
* CatCat eats it
09:37:42 [CatCat]
ok, guyise
09:37:45 [CatCat]
imoff
09:37:48 [CatCat]
to IKEA!
09:38:28 [ruaok]
:-( someone destroyed my art: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2824661822
09:38:33 [ruaok]
fukkers.
09:38:39 [ruaok]
* ruaok waves CatCat off
09:40:27 [CatCat]
does it say "thx douchebags" ?
09:40:32 [CatCat]
hah
09:40:47 [CatCat]
hadebra ruaok
09:40:48 [ruaok]
* ruaok nods
09:51:14 [srotta]
Hmm. Anyone found out what the hell is Google Chrome doing when it starts to trash your HDD?
09:52:15 [alastairp]
uh :-/
09:52:56 [srotta]
If I just open it and leave it there, after about half a minute it starts do something with my HDD. And it's doing it enough to make the whole desktop sluggish.
09:53:06 [Muz]
Wow, that's the first I've heard of that
09:53:33 [Muz]
I've been using Chrome for an hour seriously now and I keep finding small gripes that keep from switching it to my default browser
09:53:36 [srotta]
It probably sends everything to Google to use as they like (regarding the TOS)
09:53:56 [srotta]
Or it's integrating with Google Desktop and tries to reindex everything.
09:55:04 [warp]
Muz: flash isn't working here in chrome, I haven't given it a proper try yet.
09:55:26 [Muz]
wfm
09:55:38 [Muz]
Also, damn you IRC, I had an idea how to confront this bug and now I've forgotten :|
09:55:41 [srotta]
Muz: Just not having ad blocker is enough to keep it from regular use.
09:55:57 [Muz]
srotta, I don't ever use adblock on Firefox so that bothers me not
09:56:05 [srotta]
It was terrible to see the ugly truth of the Internet again :|
09:56:21 [warp]
* warp has adblock in his head, compatible with all browsers.
09:56:43 [warp]
too bad it also filters the current cdbaby design as 'domain squatter'.
09:56:45 [alastairp]
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10030888-2.html?part=rss&subj=Webware
09:57:06 [alastairp]
pretty fast js engine atm
09:57:07 [srotta]
Seriously, an ad block that jumps into middle of a news article with some animation and other ugliness?
09:57:16 [srotta]
And someone actually thinks that will increase their sales?
09:57:20 [alastairp]
but it's not tested against mozilla/webkit nightlies
09:57:49 [Muz]
I doubt that even then the Mozilla nightlies will fare much better than Chrome or the other browsers
09:58:06 [LotR]
noscript++ # who cares about the speed of the js engine when it's turned off anyway
09:58:49 [alastairp]
LotR: uh, my gmail account cares
09:59:11 [alastairp]
Muz: firefox has a new jit js compiler
09:59:17 [alastairp]
that is *insanely* fast
09:59:22 [LotR]
screw webmail.
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09:59:28 [warp]
oh, flash suddently started working. weird google.
10:00:25 [warp]
LotR: google chrome is aimed at speeding up web _applications_. If you're not using any of those, you won't see any benefit :)
10:00:41 [LotR]
warp: I wouldn't anyway, since it's windows only :)
10:01:09 [Muz]
There is the intention to make it available on OS X and Linux so you silly OS Zealots can pry your heads from your arse and use it in all due time
10:01:11 [alastairp]
LotR: and 32 bit
10:01:31 [alastairp]
there's lots of really bad 32-bit assumtions in the code
10:01:37 [warp]
LotR: eventually it'll be open source and available for other platforms.
10:01:39 [alastairp]
like doing 32-bit math on pointers :-P
10:01:47 [alastairp]
warp: there's an svn repo out
10:01:53 [warp]
alastairp: oh, nice
10:02:02 [alastairp]
someone I know is hacking on the js engine, trying to make it 64-bit clean
10:02:16 [alastairp]
Remosi, in facr
10:02:18 [alastairp]
fact
10:02:38 [warp]
Muz: I actually curious if it can eventually make browsers stable on OS X. because the firefox on windows xp at work almost never crashes, and the browsers at home do so daily.
10:02:42 [warp]
+am somewhere
10:03:13 [alastairp]
warp: the multiple process is really nice
10:03:29 [luks]
warp: nobody will make it as snappy on linux as on windows
10:03:42 [warp]
alastairp: i suspect it's flash crashing them though, which isn't properly included in the sandboxing right now.
10:03:51 [luks]
alastairp: doesn't work as well as advertised :)
10:04:13 [warp]
luks: i do not currently use linux on the desktop anywhere. though hope to get back to it when I get a netbook :)
10:04:14 [luks]
a flash process managed to make the whole browse inresponsive
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10:04:49 [warp]
luks: that is as advertised though, atleast in that comic book thingy
10:05:17 [luks]
oh
10:05:47 [alastairp]
warp: ah :)
10:06:23 [alastairp]
luks: it's not snappy on windows, is it? ;)
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10:06:55 [luks]
it is
10:07:04 [luks]
but I don't see many advantages of this over something like Opera
10:07:13 [luks]
except for the fast JS
10:07:40 [luks]
replacing Firefox is very close to impossible for me
10:08:47 [alastairp]
I think it's going to shake up heaps
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10:09:06 [alastairp]
firefox already has a super fast js engine now
10:09:28 [alastairp]
I don't think it'll be long before they have something in development with multiple processes
10:17:43 [srotta]
I have a hard time believing anything in Firefox is superfast.
10:18:37 [LotR]
who needs superfast anyway? it's just the web; nothing important
10:20:12 [alastairp]
yeah, it's not like anyone uses the web
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lol
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12:04:55 [hadess]
heya
12:05:43 [hadess]
is it normal for libmusicbrainz3 not to do freedb proxies anymore?
12:11:39 [hadess]
eg. disc id ".OFCT1e79WbbRtCZUE9YYXbSHOM-" isn't in musicbrainz, but is in freedb
12:14:00 [srotta]
luks: By the way, does Picard give any access to DiscIDs?
12:14:35 [luks]
hadess: yes
12:14:44 [luks]
srotta: in what way?
12:15:03 [luks]
I mean, how do you want to access it?
12:16:10 [hadess]
luks: is there any way to change that, or would i need to use a freedb library instead?
12:16:23 [srotta]
luks: Any way, but something along the lines of "store the latest DiscID for use in tags". Yeah, probably not a good idea, I'm just toying with the idea of linking discID and PUIDs together.
12:16:46 [luks]
hadess: no, there isn't
12:17:01 [luks]
srotta: I'm still now sure how do you want to do that
12:17:10 [luks]
*not
12:17:28 [luks]
but no, it doesn't associate discids with anything
12:17:30 [hadess]
luks: i guess it was a design decision not to have any freedb proxying in the lib for version 3?
12:17:51 [luks]
hadess: right
12:18:09 [luks]
hadess: it's actually a server decision, not the client library
12:18:59 [hadess]
luks: oh? libmusicbrainz2 still gives me data from freebd
12:19:47 [luks]
hadess: it uses a different web service
12:20:06 [hadess]
oh, of course
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luks: I don't know, exactly :P For now I'd just store the ID "for future use".
12:26:00 [luks]
srotta: no, it just uses it for lookups
12:26:13 [srotta]
luks: Yeah, thought so.
12:26:58 [srotta]
Not a problem, as I said, at least currently there wouldn't be much use for it anyway. Just to trace the origins of a file, if needed.
12:27:46 [luks]
I don't know how to reliable match discid to files
12:27:57 [luks]
with PUIDs it's simple, because the file is used to generate the fingerprint
12:30:37 [srotta]
Yeah, that's the problem.
12:31:12 [srotta]
It would require certain workflow - or integrating ripping into Picard :P
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16:24:23 [gioele]
hi
16:25:44 [gioele]
which AR for Jamendo? HasCoverArt or AvailableUnderCC?
16:36:59 [Muz]
Why not use both?
16:37:09 [Muz]
You can have multiple ARs for items
16:41:05 [outsidecontext]
both
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18:44:20 [milosz]
does this look right: http://musicbrainz.org/release/87ad2de7-3c4d-433b-989f-4e37833457c4.html ?
18:44:35 [milosz]
the artist being "Television Theme Songs" looks odd
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19:30:25 [ruaok]
gah. I could almost not get into my office.
19:30:36 [ruaok]
two big server boxes are cluttering things up.
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19:55:23 [ruaok]
ok, what should we call these two servers?
19:55:33 [ruaok]
they are redundant front-ends.
19:55:48 [ruaok]
it would be nice if we could find cartoon character names for pairs.
19:56:04 [ruaok]
tweedledee and tweedledumb for instance.
19:56:34 [outsidecontext]
oh, amazon was the secret customer :) cool
19:56:41 [ruaok]
yep. :-)
19:56:51 [juhae]
corto & rasputin? :)
19:57:01 [juhae]
* juhae euro-comics nerd
19:57:36 [ruaok]
got link juhae ?
19:57:42 [juhae]
ie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corto_Maltese
19:58:05 [Muzzz]
Mary-Kate and Ashley
19:58:18 [Muzzz]
Ohhh cartoon characters, not talentless sluts, my bad!
19:58:35 [ruaok]
lol
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20:02:38 [Muzzz]
So, who wants to pack my bags for me. I've got surgery tomorrow at 0730 and I've so far done nothing
20:03:00 [juhae]
solution: drink 3-4 beers
20:03:20 [Muzzz]
I can't drink and my parents are meeting me later tonight so I need to be sober :P
20:09:41 [ruaok]
fred and barney?
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20:11:56 [ruaok]
bart and lisa?
20:14:23 [juhae]
max & moritz? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_und_Moritz
20:17:01 [Muzzz]
Carl and Lenny!
20:17:03 [Muzzz]
ruaok: ^
20:17:17 [ruaok]
from?
20:17:21 [Muzzz]
KArl, even
20:17:23 [Muzzz]
Simpsons
20:17:41 [Muzzz]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Carlson#Relationship_with_Lenny_Leonard
20:17:55 [juhae]
that's prolly the best pair in simpsons :)
20:18:12 [Muzzz]
Hehe yeah
20:18:34 [juhae]
considering they've even started to make jokes about it themselves, "no wonder everyone thinks we're gay"
20:18:49 [ruaok]
hehhehehe. that sounds pretty good.
20:19:05 [ruaok]
max and moritz is ALSO really good.
20:27:50 [aCiD2]
Sam & Max!
20:27:52 [aCiD2]
Unless those are taken
20:28:20 [ruaok]
from what?
20:28:20 [ruaok]
* ruaok is leaning towards carl and lenny
20:28:22 [aCiD2]
Sam & Max? :P
20:28:25 [aCiD2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_&_Max
20:28:45 [ruaok]
thx
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* luks votes for carl and lenny
20:32:35 [Muzzz]
* Muzzz too
20:33:27 [FauxFaux]
Simpsons. \o/
20:33:36 [Muzzz]
zomgfauxse
20:33:43 [Zharf]
huh? someone doesn't know who sam&max are?
20:33:59 [Muzzz]
* Muzzz didn't either
20:34:03 [Zharf]
weirdo
20:34:21 [Muzzz]
You could have said that before knowing that
20:34:25 [Zharf]
sam&max hit the road is one of the best games of the 90s
20:34:33 [Zharf]
:)
20:35:07 [warp]
If I ever have to name servers for my pet project, I think i'll just take pokemon names. that'll give me almost 500 names nicely numbered.
20:35:23 [juhae]
Zharf, not to forget the comics
20:35:27 [Zharf]
I use norse mythology names :/
20:35:46 [juhae]
the cartoons we can forget, they were pretty stupid (completely different target audience)
20:35:50 [warp]
Zharf: i'm using characters from the super mario series for my lan :)
20:35:55 [Zharf]
<.<
20:36:10 [Zharf]
my server is varulf and this desktop is fenrir
20:36:30 [Zharf]
used to be serverpoke and fastpoke
20:36:34 [Zharf]
my laptop is still slowpoke
20:36:35 [warp]
lol
20:36:39 [FauxFaux]
Muzomg.
20:37:57 [Zharf]
hmm
20:38:05 [Zharf]
I wonder if I noticed when I picked those names
20:38:20 [Zharf]
that fenrir(sulfr) is a wolf and varulf is a werewolf :o
20:38:39 [aCiD2]
juhae, I liked the cartoons :(
20:39:13 [juhae]
aCiD2, imho they didn't have much to do with the original comics/cartoons :)
20:39:18 [Zharf]
* Zharf goes to his corner to watch House MD from the beginning.. gagain
20:39:22 [aCiD2]
well, that's true :)
20:39:26 [juhae]
or i just felt like i was watching a saturday morning kids show
20:39:32 [aCiD2]
that too :P
20:39:49 [aCiD2]
sometimes I don't like to even need to think though, just need pretty colours and talking animals
20:40:16 [Zharf]
I wonder what to name my to-be-eeepc
20:40:19 [warp]
:D
20:40:31 [aCiD2]
Zharf: minipoke?
20:40:41 [Zharf]
aCiD2, eheh :)
20:40:52 [warp]
Zharf: norse mythology doesn't have cute little white gods?
20:41:09 [Zharf]
hati would be another wolf
20:41:16 [Zharf]
warp, mmh, don't think so :)
20:41:24 [Zharf]
warp, and my eeepc will be blaclk
20:43:15 [Zharf]
I think there might be some cute white valkyries
20:43:15 [Zharf]
:)
20:46:34 [juhae]
freya
20:47:01 [juhae]
or freija, if you will :)
20:47:17 [juhae]
or whatever it might be in norwegian
20:48:14 [juhae]
should fill the cuteness-factor, being the goddess of fertility and all
20:54:11 [Zharf]
heh
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21:02:28 [Zharf]
saw about five seconds of the first house episode and I already remember what happens in it
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21:05:50 [Muzzz]
Zharf: I can do that with The Simpsons :(
21:06:03 [Muzzz]
Or mention a random quote and have my flatmate reply with what follows
21:07:10 [Zharf]
:)
21:11:06 [VxJasonxV]
CatCat, get coding then :)
21:11:14 [VxJasonxV]
(IANAP)
21:11:21 [sonium]
omfg... internet over gprs is so fucking slow
21:11:27 [VxJasonxV]
I want to be, I can script. But I am by far not a programmer
21:11:39 [Muzzz]
sonium: welcome to my life during weekends on uni term times
21:11:49 [Muzzz]
It's the only thing to pass the time on 6 hour train rides to see my girlfriend :|
21:11:55 [Muzzz]
ssh is only just usable for irssi
21:12:09 [sonium]
isn't there something like umts in uk?
21:12:14 [Muzzz]
3G yeah
21:12:25 [Muzzz]
But my phone that I pair with my tablet doesn't support 3G
21:12:38 [Muzzz]
And there's no 3G coverage on the 4 hour leg of the journey anyway
21:12:43 [sonium]
stupid..
21:12:55 [Muzzz]
Welcome to Wales, where technology hardly exists
21:13:00 [sonium]
I only use it here because our router got down
21:15:17 [sonium]
google chrome was really mentioned everywhere on tv tonight
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but always with a skeptic (does this word exist in english?) comment on privacy
21:16:42 [ruaok]
it does
21:17:21 [Clint]
but you meant "skeptical"
21:17:23 [Muzzz]
* Muzzz just switched network cables withou even a blip occurring on his machine o/
21:18:29 [sonium]
ok
21:19:19 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux has lost his gigabit switch, and the other switch's powersupply, closest match is 12v1a, it wants 7v1a.
21:19:57 [sonium]
ruaok: do you maybe know an good american bank for my gsoc money?
21:20:07 [Muzzz]
HEh, we just have flat CAT6 going straight from the router to our machines here
21:20:21 [Muzzz]
No idea where my flatmate got hold of so much flat CAT6
21:20:44 [FauxFaux]
* FauxFaux is using wireless, but doesn't have enough network cards.
21:20:53 [ruaok]
sonium: washington mutual is a good bank. but without a local address there is little you can do.
21:20:59 [ruaok]
why do you need that?
21:21:24 [outsidecontext]
i though they handle student payments over those credit cards
21:21:27 [sonium]
don't want to transfer it to euro at the moment
21:21:42 [ruaok]
might be hard not to...
21:21:43 [sonium]
yes, but it's still USD on the card
21:21:47 [ruaok]
where hard == expensive.
21:22:15 [sonium]
and I planning to come to the USA next year
21:24:33 [ruaok]
* ruaok is done with carl and fires up lenny
21:24:44 [ruaok]
do the cards expire?
21:24:50 [sonium]
o_O
21:25:18 [ruaok]
gift cards sometimes have expiration dates on them.
21:25:27 [sonium]
not written on it
21:25:33 [ruaok]
if not, why not just keep the card and use it when you're here?
21:25:56 [sonium]
oh, it does expire
21:26:04 [sonium]
05/09
21:26:14 [ruaok]
when are you coming?
21:26:21 [sonium]
hrm... could transfer it to a paypal account
21:26:26 [sonium]
bit I don't like paypal
21:26:35 [ruaok]
transfer it to you bank account.
21:26:39 [sonium]
erm.. in about a year, don't know exactly
21:26:48 [ruaok]
a normal geldautomat card will work fine in the US.
21:27:37 [ruaok]
its really the best way to take money with you.
21:28:12 [sonium]
I think I will wait until next spring as I think dollar will rise and then do so
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21:33:29 [sonium]
lol... last.fm recommends me an event where I'm performing myself.
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21:33:50 [FauxFaux]
The system works. :p
21:33:53 [ruaok]
that seems to work out ok... unless you hate yourself. :)
21:34:18 [sonium]
I never heard myself playing live :P
21:35:35 [juhae]
well, it's goog last.fm recommends it to you, so you won't miss it
21:35:39 [juhae]
good as well
21:36:34 [juhae]
there's nothing like the eventual point at the career of someone too interested of playing music where the bandmates call you and ask "where the hell are you, we should be playing in an hour?"
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the sudden realization of where you should be at the moment instead of home
21:37:03 [juhae]
or better, a pub
21:38:27 [sonium]
I better mark it as "I'm going"
21:40:25 [aCiD2]
sonium, ooo, you play?
21:40:40 [sonium]
yes
21:40:58 [aCiD2]
record it, then you can put it on musicbrainz under yourself!
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:P
21:41:01 [sonium]
bass guitar
21:41:28 [juhae]
that's a good choice
21:42:01 [sonium]
If the amps weren't this expensive.
21:42:45 [sonium]
you have to spend about twice of a guitar amp for the same loudness
21:42:51 [aCiD2]
sonium: seriously, just bite the exchange rate and do it to your own bank
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re: banking
21:43:06 [aCiD2]
and cool to bass guitar :)
21:43:39 [sonium]
aCiD2: seems like the only choice
21:43:50 [aCiD2]
you'll make it bank in interest if you put it in an ISA
21:43:52 [juhae]
sonium, true, but then again until you play gigs which earn you some good money (or even money in general, ha!) the low-end models are quite doable :)
21:44:57 [juhae]
low-end as in budget-range, not limited by power
21:45:21 [sonium]
When I would buy all the equipment of my band I would have invested in in-ear monitoring and bought no amps at all
21:45:48 [sonium]
easier to carry and better quality
21:46:15 [juhae]
an no worries of insane volume levels on-stage
21:46:37 [sonium]
definitly
21:49:32 [aCiD2]
in ear monitoring++
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pricey though!
21:50:32 [sonium]
but musicians are in general hard to convince of it
21:51:20 [juhae]
depends of the genre quite a bit, i think :)
21:52:09 [sonium]
probably. The "Rock has to be loud" fraction is hard to convince
21:55:19 [juhae]
i'm pretty happy with earplugs onstage, much cheaper than ear monitors :)
21:55:31 [juhae]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Musicians_earplugs.jpg like these
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* Muzzz is growing fond of Vista over XP
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Upgrading was pretty smooth and all my software and files are intact heh
22:15:09 [Muzzz]
so far, nothing I could do on XP I can't do on Vista
22:16:52 [jacknetgb]
did they fix that bug for long file transfers over the network yet?
22:17:10 [nikki]
* nikki wonders why the english wikipedia keeps putting spaces in japanese names
22:17:23 [Muzzz]
Works fine here, but then again both me and my flatmate are now on Vista primarily
22:17:43 [jacknetgb]
Ah cool
22:18:12 [jacknetgb]
Anyone here using Google Chrome?
22:19:31 [Muzzz]
I was and I'm fed up with it already
22:19:37 [Muzzz]
It's nice but it's got ways to come
22:19:49 [Muzzz]
This is formed after a day's serious usage in trying to replace Firefox
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it apparently won't work on my computers so I didn't bother looking at it
22:20:09 [jacknetgb]
I like it, pages load faster than they do on firefox for me
22:20:13 [Muzzz]
I should write a blog post seeing as my whine list is a bit of a rant
22:20:26 [Muzzz]
jacknetgb: go to about:internets
22:20:30 [Muzzz]
And then about:%
22:20:31 [outsidecontext]
used it today for testing. has some nice ideas
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Damn you Muzzz for that last one
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Thank god for the tab restore button :)
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Bwahaha
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Works everytime so far
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meh
22:22:33 [Muzzz]
I'll think about reusing chrome when they release the next major upgrade heh
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take it the about:internets doesnt do anything apart from draw those tubes
22:22:47 [Muzzz]
The internet is a series of tubes!
22:23:01 [Muzzz]
But yeah that's it, it's a nice little Easter Egg
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they the only ones?
22:24:07 [Muzzz]
about:cache, about:stats, about:histograms, about:memory, about:network
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There's probably more that I'm forgetting
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about:plugins
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about% ¬_¬
22:24:40 [Muzzz]
FauxFaux: you do it too? :P
22:25:25 [FauxFaux]
Opera, being not fail, completes them if you type opera:
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Chrome has much to do before it's really a competitor
22:26:03 [Muzzz]
For now it's a gimmicky idea
22:26:28 [FauxFaux]
It's currently just a faster IE, imo.
22:26:37 [juhae]
chrome kind of reminds me how fast firefox used to be in the phoenix-days... and also how incomplete it was :)
22:26:40 [Muzzz]
That's pretty much it tbh
22:26:51 [CatCat]
[22:35] warpIf I ever have to name servers for my pet project, I think i'll just take pokemon names. that'll give me almost 500 names nicely numbered.
22:26:51 [Muzzz]
re: FauxFaux that is
22:26:54 [FauxFaux]
No pro features, no silly gimicks, IE8 even has the tabs-as-processes.
22:26:56 [CatCat]
warp: MUHAHAAHAHA
22:27:06 [Muzzz]
mohohohohoho
22:28:02 [CatCat]
[23:11] VxJasonxVCatCat, get coding then :) <-- huh?
22:28:33 [sonium]
but isn't the speed thing only sensible at heavy javascript usage?
22:28:51 [jacknetgb]
it uses the KHTML webkit i see
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sonium: yeah
22:29:22 [Muzzz]
Otherwise it uses an outdated WebKit engine heh
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* nikki_ will be glad to be using a different connection next week that doesn't bloody disconnect every 12 hours
22:29:28 [sonium]
there aren't so much heavy javascript using sites
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except google docs
22:29:35 [Muzzz]
GMail and that's about it :P
22:29:59 [sonium]
So most people won't feel the difference
22:30:05 [Muzzz]
Anyway, there are other JS optimisation projects being worked on, V8 isn't the end all JS solution
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22:30:47 [CatCat]
me either
22:30:48 [sonium]
speed for most people means how fast a picture is loading and not javascript stuff
22:30:59 [CatCat]
but since we're all ignoring CatCat toda imma going sleep
22:31:01 [Muzzz]
Well rendering times for static content too
22:31:04 [nikki]
speed for me is how fast the browser responds
22:31:04 [Muzzz]
nattamo
22:31:10 [CatCat]
(no really i have school tomorrow so)
22:31:24 [Muzzz]
OH FUCK
22:31:25 [CatCat]
aww. nattamuzz
22:31:36 [Muzzz]
I'm NPO now and I didn't eat dinner, I was too busy packing :|
22:31:44 [CatCat]
npo?
22:31:50 [Muzzz]
Not eating before surgery
22:31:57 [CatCat]
oi
22:32:11 [CatCat]
well, natta
22:32:38 [Muzzz]
"nil per os", nothing by mouth
22:32:40 [nikki]
if it's only just gone past the time I would still eat, I doubt they time it to the exact second
22:34:03 [outsidecontext]
sonium: javascript performance is important. one reason there are not many heavy js sites is the bad performance of IE
22:34:28 [Muzzz]
nikki: by an hour and a half. I didn't notice because I was too busy packing
22:34:53 [outsidecontext]
most of chromium's features are especially for javascript based web applications
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chromes
22:35:48 [Muzzz]
So, Google sites then ;)
22:36:41 [outsidecontext]
mostly :)
22:37:50 [sonium]
Even if the marketshare on chrome won't become this high it will probably challenge other browser JS abilities.
22:37:55 [outsidecontext]
i'm working on a js based application at the moment and i was happy to see it works fast and stable with chrome
22:38:02 [sonium]
In the end google always wins
22:38:13 [Muzzz]
Debateable
22:38:26 [Muzzz]
Look at their videos thing, that flopped so they just bought Shrewtube
22:38:30 [outsidecontext]
sonium: for sure
22:38:46 [outsidecontext]
i meant the challenge
22:39:09 [Muzzz]
Unless they can market and push Chrome upon casual users in a successful manner and not just to geeks who'll get excited for a mere moment, they won't fare well
22:39:16 [sonium]
at least it's not a loss for them
22:39:30 [outsidecontext]
tracemonkey is promising
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22:39:49 [sonium]
was that this firefox js plugin?
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the virtual javascript machine for firefox
22:40:39 [outsidecontext]
will hopefully be in the next major release
22:41:04 [sonium]
outsidecontext: what framework do you use for your JS project?
22:41:27 [sonium]
* sonium also would like to create some JS application
22:41:32 [alastairp]
hmmmrain
22:42:02 [outsidecontext]
for the backend our companies cms with custom js library and heavy use of prototype
22:43:21 [alastairp]
hmm
22:43:27 [alastairp]
anyone got chrome installed?
22:43:32 [alastairp]
try about:internets
22:44:20 [outsidecontext]
alastairp: have a look at the chat logs ;) you just missed the discussion by a few minutes
22:44:50 [alastairp]
outsidecontext: :)
22:46:16 [outsidecontext]
sonium: choosing the framework depends on what you want to do. i like prototype, it's good if you want a basic library.
22:46:49 [alastairp]
http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=704
22:46:50 [alastairp]
bahaha
22:47:30 [Muzzz]
* Muzzz turns off his desktop so he can stow it into a box
22:48:05 [sonium]
I'm looking for a python based JS library ;)
22:49:18 [outsidecontext]
don't know any, i'm not a big fan of server code that get's converted to js
22:50:27 [sonium]
google also has released a JS library. Looks really nice in the screencast.
22:50:39 [outsidecontext]
that java based thing?
22:50:44 [outsidecontext]
how was the name?
22:50:45 [sonium]
yes
22:50:57 [outsidecontext]
looks good, yes
22:51:05 [sonium]
don't remeber, just saw it on the code.google.com homepage
22:51:48 [outsidecontext]
i'm still looking for a decent js library which provides more UI stuff, but haven't found one that really is usable
22:52:18 [sonium]
what about the google thing?
22:52:23 [jacknetgb]
take it you've looked at jQuery?
22:53:16 [sonium]
google web toolkit was the name
22:53:23 [outsidecontext]
sonium: yes
22:56:13 [outsidecontext]
jacknetgb: not really so far
22:56:37 [jacknetgb]
take a look at http://ui.jquery.com for the user interface stuff
22:56:50 [jacknetgb]
theres some demos on there
22:57:44 [Cycles]
sonium, how the hell do we upload code?
22:57:45 [Cycles]
:P
22:58:10 [Cycles]
oh, never mind
22:58:11 [Cycles]
got it
22:58:22 [sonium]
what do you mean?
22:58:43 [Cycles]
i couldn't work out ow to submit my code
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for gsoc
22:58:56 [Cycles]
code submission is open now
22:59:09 [sonium]
and how do you do it?
22:59:19 [sonium]
didn't look at it so far
22:59:37 [Cycles]
http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/how-to-provide-google-with-sample-code
22:59:49 [outsidecontext]
jacknetgb: but i didn't really like the non gui parts of jquery. has some weird syntax
23:01:33 [jacknetgb]
ah ok, you also looked at scriptaculous (& prototype)
23:01:49 [sonium]
ok, will do that stuff tomorrow
23:02:01 [Cycles]
yup, we got time
23:02:08 [Cycles]
mootools!
23:02:10 [outsidecontext]
that's what i'm currently using (not much scriptaculous, though)
23:02:13 [Cycles]
<3 mootools
23:02:44 [jacknetgb]
ah ok
23:03:05 [jacknetgb]
similarly im also looking at decent js libraries to use
23:04:22 [Cycles]
i still like mootools the most so far
23:04:28 [Cycles]
(if you hadn't already guessed :P)
23:04:34 [jacknetgb]
im having a look at it now :)
23:05:28 [sonium]
gn8 folks
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jacknetgb: did you use jquery already?
23:07:01 [jacknetgb]
yeah currently im using it
23:07:09 [outsidecontext]
and happy with it?
23:07:38 [outsidecontext]
luks recommended it to me, and I nearly would have used it to learn more about it.
23:08:04 [Muzzz]
Whee craptop
23:08:45 [jacknetgb]
Yep, syntax is incredibly easy so saves me loads of time
23:10:03 [outsidecontext]
maybe i really should give it a go for the next project. maybe you just have to get used to all those $ signs in the code
23:14:40 [VxJasonxV]
CatCat, get coding on that "reverse track parser" thing
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23:15:50 [Muzzz]
VxJasonxV: wtf?
23:17:20 [VxJasonxV]
a very prolonged conversation with CatCat
23:17:27 [VxJasonxV]
I mentioned wanting a "Reverse Track Parser" kind of thing
23:17:37 [VxJasonxV]
meaning, you're viewing a release, and you have a link the displays in plain text
23:17:50 [VxJasonxV]
similar too a sane import format for the track parser
23:17:52 [Muzzz]
Would that not be piss easy to do?
23:17:58 [VxJasonxV]
probably, but I don't know perl :)
23:18:15 [VxJasonxV]
you should do it and put it on test.mbz :D
23:18:23 [Muzzz]
* Muzzz ponders knocking up a quick and dirty one in PHP as a standalone script
23:18:40 [VxJasonxV]
I was thinking of writing something like it leveraging the API
23:18:46 [VxJasonxV]
but the reason why I needed it is long past over
23:18:48 [VxJasonxV]
and... yeah
23:19:01 [Muzzz]
Well if it isn't needed screw it, I shan't spend my time on that :P
23:19:09 [VxJasonxV]
it will be needed again, I'm sure
23:19:37 [VxJasonxV]
not to mention /my/ use for it is over, but CatCat's might not be
23:19:42 [VxJasonxV]
again I say, over /for now/
23:19:52 [Muzzz]
* Muzzz gets to work
23:19:55 [VxJasonxV]
:)
23:21:41 [Cycles]
woosh, code sample up
23:33:19 [CatCat]
wow
23:33:22 [CatCat]
cool
23:33:30 [CatCat]
becasue yea. i totally need that often
23:33:57 [CatCat]
the internet is evil, i was supposed to go to bed but i spen the time readign fanfiction
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and porn. and fanporn, and fiction
23:34:25 [CatCat]
and porn. did i mentino porn. shesh
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* CatCat goes now
23:34:51 [CatCat]
natta!
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23:37:16 [BrianG]
o_O
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23:40:16 [CatCat]
(ok, so it was mostly fanfiction sans porn)
23:40:22 [CatCat]
(and the porn was kinda lame)
23:40:24 [CatCat]
heh
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23:55:35 [^^remilia^^]
question about ASINs in the MB database
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23:55:46 [^^remilia^^]
i've an album with two releases, each with different cover art
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and, accordingly, two ASINs
23:56:08 [^^remilia^^]
can i link both and specify one as primary?
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or should i just link one, to avoid confusion