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IRC log of musicbrainz on 2009-05-14

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01:02:07 [wathek_]
ruaok, it's Ok I found the problem
01:02:27 [wathek_]
ruaok, I had to move the sources dir under /
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coz postgres user is an ordinary user and can't get into /root
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:p
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I'm currently importing the database :D
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01:08:28 [wathek_]
ruaok, I fixed the problem
01:08:28 [wathek_]
:D
01:09:07 [wathek_]
ruaok, I had to move the sources dir under /
01:09:10 [wathek_]
coz postgres user is an ordinary user and can't get into /root
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01:30:22 [navap]
For being the second strongest StylePrinciple, http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Consistent_Original_Data sure is looking pretty pathetic.
01:53:42 [wathek_]
ruaok, you're there buddy ?
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02:05:26 [wathek_]
any one could help me please : I've installed musicbrainz Server but I can't see how to start it
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02:14:30 [wathek_]
none is there ?
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02:23:22 [wathek_]
any one could help me please I'd like to know how to start the music brainz server !
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02:27:31 [eqisow]
Can anybody tell me if the musicbrainz server for picard is down atm?
02:28:52 [eqisow]
I haven't been able to retrieve any album info for a few hours now
02:42:21 [dannymichel]
musicbrainz server u say? interesting.
02:43:12 [eqisow]
well, scratch that maybe, I just erased the config file and it seems to be working now
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02:48:37 [jmillikin]
Is there some problem with MusicIP / PUID generation? I've been trying to add PUIDs to a few albums for a week or two, but they never seem to be made available to Picard.
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02:50:28 [navap]
jmillikin: The MusicIP servers have been flakey as of late. It's not just you.
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03:08:26 [wathek_]
any one is there ?
03:14:34 [navap]
Are you perhaps looking for http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/browser/mb_server/branches/RELEASE_20081123-BRANCH/INSTALL#L275 ?
03:21:14 [wathek_]
aCiD2, you're there guy ?
03:40:10 [cyberpear]
for releases such as this: http://musicbrainz.org/release/96c864a8-b163-486c-be41-afc709482c04.html should the title include "original soundtrack recording"?
03:43:10 [navap]
Probably not.
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04:47:17 [GoCatMachine]
time-of-day #musicbrainz !
04:48:00 [RifRaf]
afternoon
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07:56:56 [ruaok]
* ruaok really likes review-board
07:57:10 [ruaok]
the admin interface makes it all worthwhile
08:00:55 [BlueLobster]
anyone know of any automated taggers that'll work from the command line?
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08:13:15 [Munger]
'automated' + 'tagger' don't belong in the same sentence
08:14:41 [BlueLobster]
Much of what this channel's namesake does is automated.
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08:14:43 [BlueLobster]
You're confused.
08:15:39 [BlueLobster]
in any case, I welcome suggestions that run from the console
08:16:01 [Munger]
It is only automated once you have correctly identified the releases.
08:16:17 [BlueLobster]
That's fine. Do you know of anything that does this and runs from the command line?
08:16:34 [Munger]
Hmmm. Could probably rustle up a shell script
08:17:20 [BlueLobster]
Most of my music is sitting on my shell server. Picard is great, but doesn't do me much good in this situation.
08:17:24 [wathek_]
aCiD2, hello guy you're there ?
08:17:40 [Munger]
To help, it might be possible to run genpuid on the music first to try and identify as much as possible. How consistent is your file naming?
08:18:07 [BlueLobster]
almost all of it was not named by me, so
08:18:10 [BlueLobster]
there's bound to be variety.
08:18:18 [Munger]
In other words, hosed :-)
08:18:30 [BlueLobster]
Sure. It's not all from a consistent source.
08:18:34 [Munger]
I know that feeling
08:18:43 [Munger]
Say no momre
08:18:52 [BlueLobster]
That's something I very much appreciate about picard. Renaming my local collection in a consistent way.
08:19:20 [BlueLobster]
especially with that lastfm plugin to get original release dates.
08:20:23 [wathek_]
I need help I'm trying to start the musicBrainz Server I get the latest trunk version so when I run the ./script/musicbrainz_server.pl -r I get this http://rafb.net/p/o8AMFc87.html
08:22:22 [wathek_]
and with the latest release when I use ./admin/apache/startup.pl I get this :http://rafb.net/p/Y2GShm87.html
08:22:26 [wathek_]
any help please ?
08:23:33 [Munger]
BlueLobster, I have some 100K tracks here which I am tagging in Picard. About 40% of it has missing or incorrect info on MB, so i have to go through one album at a time a check everything. I am estimating I have about 18 months work remaining
08:23:55 [wathek_]
I'm using CentOS 5
08:24:23 [Munger]
BlueLobster, If I could recommend an easier way, trust me, I'd be using it
08:24:36 [BlueLobster]
Munger: Yes I ran into some problems myself
08:24:57 [BlueLobster]
My home bandwidth doesn't suck
08:25:13 [BlueLobster]
but still, I don't relish transferring some half terrabyte of music here and back to the shell server
08:25:16 [BlueLobster]
just to tag it
08:25:40 [BlueLobster]
I'd be better off driving to the coloc.
08:26:42 [Munger]
Maybe genpuid on all of it and then parse the metadata you get back from MB. It might give you a chance to at least get uniformity in things like Artist name
08:27:31 [Munger]
I would not trust the album name I got as a result of running genpuid, but the artist and track name should be fairly god
08:27:39 [Munger]
good
08:28:02 [BlueLobster]
well I can't run MB on the apache server, can I?
08:28:12 [Munger]
Given that info, the correct album name is most likely in the folder name storing the tracks
08:28:17 [BlueLobster]
I guess it does have X
08:28:28 [Munger]
Not on Apache 2,
08:28:35 [Munger]
You don't need to run MB
08:28:49 [Munger]
genpuid queries the master server
08:28:56 [BlueLobster]
ahh.
08:29:45 [BlueLobster]
ok, thanks
08:29:53 [Munger]
It has an switch --archive, which will write the generated puid back into the file, which makes it very much quicker when you later drop it onto Picard and scan
08:30:25 [Munger]
Download it and play with it. It might inspire you
08:30:41 [Munger]
Still, you have a lot of work ahead of you
08:31:20 [BlueLobster]
well I won't ever be dropping most of the shit on the server into picard.
08:31:24 [Munger]
You need to obtain a key to use it, but it is free
08:31:35 [BlueLobster]
I intend to put MPD on the server, so I can access the collection without ever having it locally.
08:31:42 [wathek_]
no one could help me please ?
08:33:44 [Munger]
wathek_, Looks like you need to rebuild somthing in perl, but don't ask me what. I hate the language
08:33:54 [wathek_]
lol
08:35:44 [Munger]
However, http://www.issociate.de/board/post/228130/Bareword_%22Apache::OK%22_not_allowed_while_%22strict_subs%22_in_use.html
08:39:19 [wathek_]
let me see that
08:39:20 [Munger]
This might be more relevant http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/modperl/modperl/92804
08:40:33 [Munger]
Another ---- http://www.issociate.de/board/post/422643/Errors_after_perl_update.html
08:41:29 [wathek_]
Munger, I added the parentheses but now I get this Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at ./admin/apache/startup.pl line 23.
08:41:30 [wathek_]
GATEWAY_INTERFACE not Perl! at ./admin/apache/startup.pl line 23.
08:41:55 [Munger]
Whoooaaa! I can google, but I can't perl :-)
08:42:16 [wathek_]
I was googlinf for that all the night
08:45:26 [Munger]
http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/gateway_interface_not_perl2
08:46:35 [Munger]
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-228685.html sounds like your environment is not overly compatible with what you are trying to build
08:47:24 [wathek_]
Munger, gonna try the first solution
08:47:27 [wathek_]
hope that'll work
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08:48:55 [Munger]
Good luck. I have really no idea about any of this, but some of those seaech results seem to be related to your problem
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Munger, thank you
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11:59:56 [aCiD2]
wathek_: mm?
12:02:12 [wathek_]
aCiD2, hey guy I need some help I can't start the musicbrainz server
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12:02:27 [aCiD2]
cool, what's up?
12:03:14 [wathek_]
alright so with the latest trunk version when I run the ./script/musicbrainz_server.pl -r I get this http://rafb.net/p/o8AMFc87.html
12:03:41 [wathek_]
and with the latest release I get this : and with the latest release when I use ./admin/apache/startup.pl I get this :http://rafb.net/p/Y2GShm87.html
12:03:54 [wathek_]
aCiD2, I'm using CentOS 5
12:04:24 [aCiD2]
your libraries are out of date
12:04:29 [aCiD2]
have you ran "perl Makefile.PL"?
12:05:05 [wathek_]
aCiD2, you mean with the trunk version ?
12:06:26 [aCiD2]
yea
12:06:33 [aCiD2]
well which version do you want to run first?
12:06:53 [wathek_]
aCiD2, let's says a stable version
12:07:06 [aCiD2]
right, then you want the latest release, not trunk
12:07:23 [wathek_]
yep
12:07:27 [aCiD2]
you shouldn't be running apache startup.pl, you should have that in your vhost
12:07:30 [aCiD2]
do you have that?
12:07:53 [aCiD2]
are you sure you have all the required modules installed?
12:08:06 [wathek_]
yep I got RELEASE_20081123-BRANCH
12:08:15 [aCiD2]
good, that's the right branch
12:08:20 [wathek_]
aCiD2, yep I installed all that using cpan for perl modules
12:08:29 [aCiD2]
are you sure you have Bundle::Apache?
12:08:37 [wathek_]
and I got apache 2 and perl 5 and Postgres 8.1
12:09:20 [wathek_]
aCiD2, it seems that I don't have that ok I'm getting it with cpan
12:09:34 [luks]
you should start by getting apache 1
12:09:49 [wathek_]
apache 1 ?!
12:09:50 [aCiD2]
yea, I was about to say that
12:09:57 [aCiD2]
yes, the latest release only runs on apache 1.3
12:10:02 [aCiD2]
and mod_perl 1
12:10:21 [aCiD2]
you can't install Bundle::Apache without apache 1.3 sources too, so you'll want to do that first
12:10:42 [wathek_]
ouch I'll have to get the sources then ! coz in the repo I got only apache 2
12:11:23 [aCiD2]
yup
12:11:35 [wathek_]
aCiD2, and the trunk version does it work with apache 2 ?
12:11:45 [aCiD2]
and luks, I did run my tests! :P Extra colums won't cause tests to fail :)
12:11:56 [aCiD2]
wathek_: yes, but it probably doesn't do what you want it to do :)
12:12:00 [luks]
aCiD2: yeah, I realized that a few minutes later :)
12:12:05 [aCiD2]
heh
12:12:10 [wathek_]
aCiD2, ok
12:12:16 [wathek_]
I'm getting the apache 1 sources
12:13:19 [luks]
do you really want a MB website or just the database?
12:14:28 [wathek_]
luks, a musicbrainz server and the database
12:14:34 [wathek_]
so yep a website and the database
12:16:27 [aCiD2]
gah, I hate it when review board doesn't seem to post my replies
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12:24:00 [wathek]
sorry connection problem
12:24:19 [wathek]
aCiD2, is there a special configuration to pass to apache ?
12:24:31 [aCiD2]
yes, see admin/apache/*
12:24:37 [aCiD2]
i forget the exact name
12:24:43 [aCiD2]
but there is are virtual host configurations
12:25:19 [wathek]
aCiD2, I mean should I run ./configure or there's some options to add ?
12:25:29 [aCiD2]
oh, nothing like that, have you read INSTALL?
12:26:47 [wathek]
just have to set the prefix
12:26:49 [wathek]
:D
12:27:35 [aCiD2]
luks: when do we want to start removing MusicBrainz::Server::Artist etc?
12:28:09 [luks]
aCiD2: I'd do that last, it doesn't really cause any problems
12:28:14 [aCiD2]
ok
12:36:13 [wathek]
aCiD2, I compiled mod_perl 1 now I'm compiling apache 1
12:36:19 [aCiD2]
cool
12:36:23 [aCiD2]
nearly done then, I think
12:36:34 [wathek]
aCiD2, it's ok it's compiled
12:36:54 [wathek]
and installed
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12:40:46 [aCiD2]
luks, is 130 (label header) shippable?
12:41:01 [aCiD2]
if I change that country loading part
12:42:49 [luks]
yes
12:42:59 [aCiD2]
cool
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13:03:43 [wathek]
arrrg I get this error when I start apache Apache.pm failed to load! (no error?).
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13:08:12 [wathek]
aCiD2, luks, any idea ?
13:08:28 [aCiD2]
cpan Apache ?
13:08:37 [aCiD2]
sounds like you still don't have Bundle::Apache installed correctly
13:09:32 [wathek]
cpan Bundle::Apache ?
13:09:49 [aCiD2]
yes
13:10:01 [wathek]
ok
13:13:10 [wathek]
aCiD2, I get an installation problem URI Apache::Request
13:13:19 [aCiD2]
which problem?
13:14:04 [wathek]
http://rafb.net/p/PZepcZ61.html
13:14:15 [aCiD2]
ffs
13:14:20 [aCiD2]
why does review board REFUSE to accept this patch
13:14:33 [aCiD2]
right, that doesn't help wathek :P
13:14:37 [aCiD2]
do cpan Apache::URI
13:14:43 [aCiD2]
and paste any actual errors
13:14:52 [aCiD2]
Apache::REquest*
13:14:56 [aCiD2]
sorry, not ::URI
13:15:12 [wathek]
that's all I get
13:15:23 [aCiD2]
force install it then from cpan
13:15:47 [wathek]
ok
13:16:53 [aCiD2]
(go into cpan, then force install Apache::Request)
13:17:17 [wathek]
yep I forced its install
13:20:04 [wathek]
aCiD2, how could I force the install of URI ?
13:20:11 [aCiD2]
force install URI
13:20:35 [wathek]
cpan force install URI ?
13:20:49 [aCiD2]
no, go into cpan
13:20:54 [aCiD2]
then type: force install URI
13:20:55 [wathek]
ah ok
13:21:12 [aCiD2]
luks: what was the other controller I can write? releases?
13:22:03 [wathek]
aCiD2, it's Ok for Bundle::Apache
13:23:06 [wathek]
cool Apache is working well
13:24:03 [wathek]
aCiD2, to start the musicbrainz server I should run this script ./admin/apache/startup.pl ?
13:24:11 [aCiD2]
no
13:24:13 [aCiD2]
you start apache
13:24:25 [wathek]
it's started
13:24:26 [aCiD2]
after you add the vhost
13:24:39 [aCiD2]
if you've added the vhost and apache has started up, then musicbrainz is runnig
13:25:07 [wathek]
so I've to add the virtualhost !
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* aCiD2 goes to get a shower
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13:35:00 [wathek]
luks, your there buddy ?
13:41:23 [wathek]
aCiD2, should I set the document root of my vhost to htdocs ?
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13:41:43 [aCiD2]
you should change all the paths in the vhost marked as "TODO"
13:41:43 [wathek]
I mean /home/httpd/musicbrainz/mb_server/htdocs ?
13:42:32 [wathek]
aCiD2, I didn't understand !
13:42:41 [aCiD2]
you didn't or you don't? :)
13:42:43 [wathek]
aCiD2, I got already a vhost can't I make an alias ?
13:43:00 [aCiD2]
you copy that vhost into your apache configuration, and change all the paths in the vhost template to your actual paths
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13:45:13 [wathek]
aCiD2, I see should I use the frontend or the backend ?
13:45:14 [wathek]
:p
13:45:26 [aCiD2]
i think you just need the backend=
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14:11:05 [wathek]
aCiD2, I added a new virtual host but it doesn't work !
14:14:22 [wathek]
aCiD2, the prob is that I've alread an other vhost with the same ServerName. this is the vhost I added : http://rafb.net/p/Ut0MGV62.html
14:15:09 [wathek]
and when type rfd.domain.com it says connection interrupted
14:38:24 [aCiD2]
wathek: you're not actually typing "domain.com" are you?
14:38:28 [aCiD2]
you're meant to change that to your hostname
14:38:39 [wathek]
yes sure
14:39:06 [wathek]
but I get nothing
14:39:09 [aCiD2]
and are the paths all correct? have you checked apaches error log?
14:39:40 [wathek]
euh let me check that
14:41:12 [wathek]
aCiD2, but is it ok if I got 2 vhosts with the same ServerName ?
14:41:21 [aCiD2]
if the ports are different
14:41:30 [aCiD2]
i really don't know much about apache configurations
14:42:00 [wathek]
I've to change the port for musicbrainz :p
14:45:23 [wathek]
it doesn't work
14:45:56 [wathek]
I changed <VirtualHost myIp:80> to <VirtualHost myIP:800>
14:46:04 [wathek]
ah let me try something
14:46:31 [wathek]
:(
14:50:18 [wathek]
aCiD2, I copied the content of the vh_mb_backend.conf.default to my httpd.conf
14:50:37 [aCiD2]
you can just include it, but the result is the same
14:51:15 [wathek]
ok
14:52:26 [wathek]
arrrrgh
14:52:31 [wathek]
:(
14:54:27 [aCiD2]
have you checked the logs yet?
14:54:53 [wathek]
aCiD2, nothing in error_log
14:55:01 [wathek]
and nothing in access_log
14:55:04 [aCiD2]
and access log?
14:55:19 [wathek]
nothing
14:55:36 [aCiD2]
then requests aren't coming through and you need to sort your config out
14:59:13 [aCiD2]
back in a bit
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18:04:21 [Munger]
Could sombody give this a shove please ---> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10519959
18:04:34 [rexroom]
what's it for us
18:04:48 [ruaok]
* ruaok shoved it
18:04:53 [Munger]
I'll think of something
18:06:50 [v6lur]
if on album cover and artist's site "twelve" is spelt out, then is it an official policy to write it "12" in mb album entry?
18:07:14 [ruaok]
luks: can you please review this one for me?
18:07:15 [ruaok]
http://codereview.musicbrainz.org/r/127/
18:07:16 [v6lur]
or else why is it so?
18:07:25 [ruaok]
its blocking me for doing a call for testing...
18:11:11 [MClemo]
v6lur: maybe it's not right on mb. At least there's no such guideline to spell out numbers
18:11:37 [Munger]
v6lur, I thought it was pretty much the case that it chould appear as it does on the cover
18:11:44 [Munger]
should
18:11:52 [v6lur]
k
18:11:55 [v6lur]
edited
18:11:58 [Munger]
What is the release?
18:12:08 [v6lur]
(all 5 or 6 different releases of it :D )
18:12:35 [v6lur]
Hanoi Rocks' Twelve Shots on the Rocks
18:13:01 [Munger]
OK. (A url is usually better ;-)
18:13:12 [v6lur]
which of the 5 ;)
18:14:30 [v6lur]
e.g. http://musicbrainz.org/release/2209802c-1dd8-4eaa-b8fa-3279e47d7437.html
18:15:42 [Munger]
The URL on the edit does not point to the album, just to a site
18:16:27 [Munger]
Oh. Found it
18:18:04 [v6lur]
all albums on one page... i would have put direct link to album page, if it had one
18:19:27 [Munger]
I voted on all those anyway. I agree with you
18:19:57 [v6lur]
ok, thanks :)
18:20:04 [Munger]
....actually, I think I have that on vinyl
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18:22:20 [Munger]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10519959 two more votes please ;-)
18:30:24 [v6lur]
Munger: sure it's "stormy monday *blues*"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormy_Monday_(song)
18:31:27 [v6lur]
also, that second link won't open here :/
18:35:22 [rexroom]
time to prepare myself for eurovision ->
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18:39:46 [Munger]
Positice it's Sormy MOnday Blues. Have been performing it mysself for 25 years ;-) http://artwork.trhosking.com/The%20Blues%20Collection/BLU%20NCC%20093%20-%20Various%20Artists/The%20Blues%20at%20Christmas%20-%20The%20Very%20Best%20of%20the%20Blues/inside.jpg
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18:40:49 [Munger]
That wiki page is BS
18:41:42 [v6lur]
okay then... better be it "blues" than "blue" :)
18:41:46 [Munger]
Yes, it's often just called 'Stormy Monday'
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18:43:48 [Munger]
I'm going to fix that wiki as well
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19:25:11 [Munger]
I just know that somebody is going to vote against this, and there will be a big debate, and the edit will get voted down, and there will be another debate and eventually it will be accepted ---- http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10520102 :-)
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19:44:51 [FauxFaux]
There's no "you smell" option. :(
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* ruaok returns from lunch
20:46:43 [BlueLobster]
what did you have
20:47:03 [ruaok]
garlic chicken pizza with artichokes. :)
20:47:25 [BlueLobster]
mmm
20:47:27 [BlueLobster]
artichokes
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21:37:53 [ruaok]
luks: thanks!
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* ruaok rocks out to the new Röyksopp album
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navap: http://test.musicbrainz.org/doc/MusicBrainz_Documentation
22:16:25 [navap]
Nice :)
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22:17:13 [navap]
I assume that /doc/MusicBrainzDocumentation grabs the redirect article, which is why the content is correct byt the article name ends up without the space?
22:17:35 [navap]
Is it possible to check if the article being asked for is a redirect or not, and if it is, to grab the title from the "real" article?
22:17:55 [ruaok]
not easily, unfortunately.
22:17:55 [navap]
That way even /doc/MusicBrainzDocumentation would show "MusicBrainz Documentation" for the H1.
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:(
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http://test.musicbrainz.org/doc/Image:WikiDocs_System_v1.png
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22:19:02 [ruaok]
where did you get that URL from?
22:19:13 [navap]
I clicked on an image on an article.
22:19:15 [navap]
http://test.musicbrainz.org/doc/WikiDocs
22:19:21 [navap]
They're links to their Image: page.
22:19:33 [ruaok]
* ruaok sighs
22:19:44 [ruaok]
everytime you look you find a new thing to break. :-(
22:19:53 [navap]
Sorry :(
22:19:55 [ruaok]
can you spent a little time and a list of things that are broken? :-)
22:20:00 [navap]
lol
22:20:09 [ruaok]
I really need to get past wikidocs in one fell swoop and get on to other bugs.
22:20:35 [ruaok]
mention the redirect issue and the image link issue in a bug report to me please.
22:20:38 [navap]
The User: namespace is alro broken.
22:20:46 [navap]
Okay
22:20:47 [ruaok]
set the ISRC/release groups milestone and assign it to me.
22:20:48 [ruaok]
thanks.
22:22:57 [navap]
I found a bug with track, one can't login from the /newticket page, you get redirected back to /newticket, but it's as if the server ignored your login request.
22:23:02 [navap]
s/track/trac/
22:23:51 [navap]
Which compoment should I use? Documentation?
22:25:29 [ruaok]
there is a wikidocs componen
22:25:30 [ruaok]
t
22:25:43 [navap]
Ah, didn't scroll down far enough.
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22:29:28 [ruaok]
does anyone know a good example where a release group should have a bunch of releases?
22:29:36 [navap]
Weezer
22:29:47 [navap]
They have ~10 of the same album.
22:29:56 [ruaok]
thx
22:30:14 [ruaok]
which one?
22:32:51 [ruaok]
I wonder if the merging of release groups for normal data quality artists should be an auto edit...
22:33:27 [navap]
Maybe a low qualityish edit? So 1 vote needed.
22:33:45 [ruaok]
that sounds good too
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23:00:10 [ruaok]
1 blog post, 11 links. :)
23:00:55 [ruaok]
http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=388
23:01:50 [navap]
heh I have 10 links in my track ticket, and it won't let me submit it.
23:02:06 [ruaok]
Spammer!
23:02:31 [ruaok]
split the ticket in half....
23:02:36 [ruaok]
err 2
23:03:58 [navap]
Annnd great, I somehow got logged out :/
23:04:11 [ruaok]
trac ditches spammers. :)
23:04:15 [navap]
lol
23:04:17 [navap]
Damn trac
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23:05:54 [navap]
You should have linked to http://test.musicbrainz.org/release-group/4c9d608c-9c79-431c-b004-2490c72077e7.html instead :p
23:06:10 [navap]
Instead of Maladroit
23:06:14 [ruaok]
oh, damn.
23:06:18 [ruaok]
* ruaok goes to fix that
23:07:02 [MBChatLogger]
navap probably meant ' The wikidoc link points to musicbrainz.org, should it point to test? '
23:07:02 [navap]
The wikidoc link points to mb.org, should it point to test?
23:08:45 [ruaok]
the link at the bottom of the page?
23:10:46 [navap]
No, I meant in the blog post.
23:11:18 [navap]
"Our WikiDocs system now uses our new Mediawiki" but it links to mb not test.
23:11:26 [navap]
And mb doesn't use mediawiki, does it?
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23:18:43 [ruaok]
thats just to define the term WikiDodcs...
23:19:54 [navap]
Oh okay.
23:21:07 [ruaok]
acid2: ping!
23:21:13 [acid2]
pong!
23:21:58 [ruaok]
our accountants are making me pick server names before I account for them.
23:22:07 [ruaok]
in other words, stop slacking or pass the buck.
23:22:22 [ruaok]
any cartoon character name ought to do. as long as its not ass to spell.
23:23:09 [ruaok]
* ruaok wonders why we went with cartoon characters and not famous musicians/composers
23:23:27 [navap]
heh Too hard to spell maybe
23:23:44 [acid2]
lol
23:23:49 [ruaok]
tchaiskowsky.
23:23:49 [acid2]
hrm
23:23:52 [acid2]
cartooooon
23:23:53 [ruaok]
chaikowsky.
23:23:58 [ruaok]
we'd NEVER be able to log in.
23:24:04 [navap]
"The 1812 overture man"
23:24:06 [navap]
haha
23:24:09 [ruaok]
ALIAS t
23:24:20 [acid2]
Dmitri_Dmitriyevich_Shostakovich
23:24:22 [acid2]
perfect
23:24:47 [acid2]
which servers do we have atm?
23:25:01 [ruaok]
shooshkadoozsky! my fave!
23:25:08 [acid2]
lol
23:25:35 [ruaok]
zim, stimpy, bender, moose, wiley, carman, dexter, carl, lenny, jem, misty, scooby, blik
23:25:56 [ruaok]
cartman
23:26:03 [acid2]
hum hum hum
23:26:12 [navap]
Maaario
23:26:17 [ruaok]
ooh!
23:26:18 [acid2]
I think tails
23:26:21 [ruaok]
that's be a new one.
23:26:25 [ruaok]
from what?
23:26:30 [acid2]
sonic
23:26:34 [acid2]
it was a cartoon too!
23:26:51 [ruaok]
ok.
23:27:45 [acid2]
what's this server for?
23:27:58 [ruaok]
web front end.
23:28:02 [ruaok]
that will double our capacity.
23:28:14 [acid2]
swet
23:28:15 [ruaok]
then with the new search servers we should have plenty of capacity.
23:28:26 [acid2]
tails double sonics capability, so that's appropriate :P
23:28:33 [ruaok]
lol
23:28:39 [ruaok]
* ruaok checks the tracking
23:28:43 [ruaok]
should arrive tomorrow.
23:28:52 [acid2]
nice, what specs?
23:29:10 [ruaok]
dual quad core, 8gb ram, raid-2 sata 160gb 1U
23:29:16 [ruaok]
2.3ghz
23:29:21 [acid2]
nice
23:29:44 [ruaok]
I keep saying I'd want one for my office, but shit, what would I do with it?
23:29:54 [ruaok]
I have a quad core box and even that I cant tax fully.
23:30:00 [navap]
Raid-2?
23:30:10 [ruaok]
typo. 1
23:30:20 [navap]
Ah
23:30:24 [ruaok]
raid is not very important since this machine only keeps logs.
23:30:30 [ruaok]
so we went with SATA vs SCSI
23:30:52 [ruaok]
the only place where drives matter are in the DB server.
23:30:57 [ruaok]
more fast spindles == better
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plug I can buy replacement sata drives here in town.
23:31:41 [pronik`]
I want you to name one of the servers 12ozmouse :)
23:32:24 [ruaok]
next server you get the priviledge.
23:32:33 [ruaok]
whats that reference from ?
23:32:46 [pronik`]
well, it's called "12 oz mouse", believe it or not
23:33:02 [pronik`]
beer-drinking, porn-filming, people-killing mouse
23:33:17 [pronik`]
look it up on youtube
23:33:25 [BlueLobster]
terrible cartoon
23:33:29 [acid2]
lol
23:33:33 [BlueLobster]
everyone from williams street should be shot
23:33:33 [pronik`]
people must have had a lot of weed
23:33:37 [Clint]
what kind of unicode normalization does musicbrainz do?
23:33:41 [BlueLobster]
everything they amke is horrible
23:33:43 [BlueLobster]
er, make
23:33:45 [ruaok]
normalization?
23:33:47 [acid2]
http://neuwanstein.fw.hu/primer_timeline.html no wonder that film was damn confusing
23:34:04 [Clint]
ruaok: yeah, like NFC/NFD/NKFC/NKFD/blah/blah
23:34:14 [Clint]
or isn't there any?
23:34:14 [ruaok]
* ruaok shrugs
23:34:22 [ruaok]
I guess that is the answer. :)
23:34:41 [ruaok]
we take what comes from the web and we try to regurgitate it back the same way we got it.
23:35:02 [Clint]
hrm
23:36:00 [Clint]
so in theory i could add three different artists whose name appear the same but don't compare equally?
23:36:33 [ruaok]
not certain. I'm not sure that Postgres doesn't do that.
23:36:59 [FauxFaux]
Lucene probably low-asciis everything.
23:37:19 [ruaok]
no
23:37:30 [ruaok]
it unaccents.
23:38:43 [Clint]
ruaok: okay, thanks, i'll dig deeper
23:38:51 [ruaok]
np
23:39:08 [ruaok]
I would suspect that PG has to do that in order to get its collating right.
23:39:47 [brianfreud]
* brianfreud votes for "smurf"
23:40:11 [brianfreud]
then we can just blame the smurfing smurf for smurfing up when it tries to smurf
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Clint: I looked into Unicode normalization a while back, and as far as I could see from tests, Postgres, as used by MB, doesn't do any normalization at all; if it goes in as normalized NFC, it comes out NFC. If it goes in NFD, it comes out NFD. etc.
23:43:15 [ruaok]
someone got a link that defined NFC/NFD?
23:44:18 [brianfreud]
in a nutshell, NFC - char with accent is stored as the accented char. NFD, char with accent is stored as <base char>+<modifier char(s)>
23:44:22 [brianfreud]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_normalization
23:45:04 [ruaok]
do you know why they opted to include multiple schemes like this? seems like a major pita
23:45:06 [brianfreud]
ie, NFC stores as the precomposed char, NFD stores as the decomposed elements to build up to a given accented character
23:45:44 [brianfreud]
because it's much smaller to store things as NFC, but much easier to search things as NFD
23:46:41 [brianfreud]
NFC, 1 byte, maybe 2, whereas the same 1 byte chars would become 2 to 5 bytes stored as NFD
23:47:30 [brianfreud]
but if you want to search for "Edgar", no matter what accents might be on each letter, it's a lot easier to search for (base byte of each is:)*e* *d* *g* *a* *r*
23:56:57 [ruaok]
* ruaok lays the groundwork for the 20090524 server release.
23:57:09 [ruaok]
thats going to be a challenging release, but nothing like the NGS release.
23:57:43 [ruaok]
for NGS we need to tell people to not expect MB for an entire afternoon.
23:58:06 [acid2]
can we not lock the database to read only, duplicate it, migrate, then switch?
23:58:24 [acid2]
or would that strain the db servers too much
23:59:29 [navap]
What about the search server? Won't that be affected in the NGS release, so how would someone search for something on the readonly db if the search server is down.
23:59:45 [acid2]
ah, hrm
23:59:56 [acid2]
guess we do have to die and raise from the grave :)
23:59:56 [ruaok]
acid2: good question. I'll have to ponder that.