IRC log of musicbrainz on 2009-10-28

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04:07:39 [yllona]
holla ruaok
04:07:44 [ruaok]
'ello!
04:08:13 [yllona]
how are things? NGS is on the way i see
04:08:39 [ruaok]
things are good. we made amazing progress over the summer.
04:08:49 [ruaok]
now we're pretty close to a beta.
04:08:49 [yllona]
fantastic
04:08:57 [ruaok]
I'll check the schedule later this week.
04:09:34 [yllona]
do you still need contact info at music publishing orgs?
04:09:58 [ruaok]
well, I'm on the hunt for a bug ISRC data dump.
04:10:08 [yllona]
i have a con call tomorrow, may be able to get some info
04:10:14 [ruaok]
I hear the IFPI has this data and that they are in london. I'd like to drop by and chat about that.
04:10:26 [yllona]
ah, ISRC (finally). thanks for that
04:10:54 [ruaok]
brian suggested that I got poke the BBC. probably much closer than starting in california. :)
04:11:06 [yllona]
ISRC also has contacts here in the US. the registrar is near to where i live
04:12:29 [yllona]
let me check to see if they're at the same location. at one point last year i was working two buildings over
04:12:57 [ruaok]
ok
04:14:50 [yllona]
gah, they're in wash DC as part of the RIAA
04:15:05 [ruaok]
fuck. that. noise.
04:15:20 [ruaok]
that's why I want to go to the UK. :)
04:15:48 [yllona]
yeah, but you should make a trip to DC anyway. vist the library of congress. for music lovers, it's heaven
04:16:05 [ruaok]
* ruaok was there two weeks ago
04:17:04 [yllona]
yikes, sorry i missed that. at LOC you can knock down many necessary contacts. copyright royalty board and all that
04:18:05 [yllona]
i'll ask for IFPI contacts tomorrow. let's ee what turns up
04:19:52 [yllona]
in my experience, folks at LOC are really helpful
04:20:21 [ruaok]
yeah, I need to make time for more than just FMC next time
04:20:36 [yllona]
the biggest problem at LOC is that internet folks don't bother to participate early enough in the process
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04:23:50 [yllona]
i used to attend CRB meetings when i lived in DC. you'd be surprised at who did not show up. nor did these folks participate in correspondence. it was amazing. then all of sudden, everyone is up in arms. CRB guidelines took years of discussion. webcasting regs were initiated way back in '97-98, with a *ten year* grace period
04:24:52 [yllona]
there should no surprises on the web music / web cast community at this point. 10 years is more than enough time to get your shit together
04:28:42 [yllona]
same with ISRC codes. did any other viable entity bid on the contract?
04:29:20 [yllona]
and again with SoundExchange, who participated in the RFP?
04:57:37 [yllona]
anyhoo, i have to return to real life (which is a mess at this point)
04:57:44 [yllona]
catch ya later
06:10:16 [alastairp]
ruaok: hi
06:10:22 [ruaok]
hey
06:10:26 [ruaok]
going on a trip?
06:10:32 [alastairp]
yep!
06:10:57 [ruaok]
sweet. I'll make an intro tomorrow.
06:11:00 [alastairp]
you're in CA somewhere? when do you leave?
06:12:36 [ruaok]
.ca.us that is.
06:12:50 [ruaok]
San Luis Obispo, CA
06:12:55 [ruaok]
I'm off on 14 Nov
06:13:09 [alastairp]
I'm flying into SFO on the 10th
06:13:20 [alastairp]
er, 9th
06:13:20 [ruaok]
http://www.dopplr.com/traveller/mayhem
06:13:49 [ruaok]
its a 3.5 hour drive for me to get to SFO.
06:14:01 [ruaok]
and I do it often -- just came back yesterday. but not then.
06:14:07 [alastairp]
how about palo alto?
06:14:34 [alastairp]
looks like much the same :)
06:14:39 [alastairp]
yeah, never mind
06:14:41 [ruaok]
3.45 hours drive from me. :)
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09:34:40 [outsidecontext]
ijabz: will you be at the MB summit?
09:51:06 [ijabz]
yep
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outsidecontext:did you want to talk tag mappings ?
10:05:52 [outsidecontext]
ijabz: yes, i think we should do this :)
10:08:12 [ijabz]
sure thing
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17:15:15 [axionix]
hi all
17:16:10 [axionix]
does the audio lookup that picard uses have an open api for developers?
17:16:27 [axionix]
ive tried checking musicip.com to no avail
17:17:08 [outsidecontext]
axionix: for the fingerprinting it uses libofa (http://code.google.com/p/musicip-libofa/), if that's what you mean
17:17:32 [axionix]
is there a remote server to fetch data or do i have to collect the data on my own server?
17:18:21 [axionix]
where can i learn more about the open portion of MB?
17:19:49 [outsidecontext]
axionix: i think you mix up two things here :) picard uses the audio fingerprinting from MusicIP to generate a PUID for the files, and then it queries musicbrainz for the data with that PUID. so two different services
17:20:00 [axionix]
yes i am quite confused
17:20:10 [outsidecontext]
if you just want the data musicbrainz has a public web service API
17:20:21 [outsidecontext]
see http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/XmlWebService
17:20:54 [outsidecontext]
MusicIP is for you if you are interested in audio fingerprinting
17:21:49 [outsidecontext]
sorry, http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/XML_Web_Service
17:22:25 [axionix]
ok, the website mentions that it does some closed source stuff
17:22:32 [axionix]
im confused at the differences i guess
17:22:53 [outsidecontext]
maybe you should tell us what you want to do :)
17:23:11 [axionix]
i want to write a mpd frontend with picard like tagging features
17:24:57 [outsidecontext]
ok. you have two possibilities. you can use the existing data in the files to query musicbrainz for close matches. this can be achieved by the musicbrainz webservice. picard uses this approach, too
17:25:52 [axionix]
ok...
17:27:13 [outsidecontext]
in addition you can use the audio fingerprinting technology from musicip if you want to use audio fingerprints to identify files based on the actual audio content
17:27:45 [outsidecontext]
you should read http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/How_PUIDs_Work to understand that process
17:27:55 [axionix]
so what i cant do is create fingerprints, only look them up? is that correct?
17:28:27 [axionix]
ok i will, thanks for the clarification :)
17:28:34 [outsidecontext]
nearly. you create a fingerprint with libofa, send this to the MusicIP server, they do some magic and if they know the track return you a PUID
17:28:44 [luks]
there is a difference between PUIDs and fingerprints
17:28:57 [outsidecontext]
then you can use that PUID to query musicbrainz
17:34:51 [ruaok]
luks, outsidecontext: we have a new server that needs a name. wanna name it?
17:35:05 [ruaok]
cartoon characters that are reasonable to type....
17:35:13 [outsidecontext]
nibbler
17:35:27 [ruaok]
what is that from?
17:35:32 [dankine]
futurama
17:35:41 [outsidecontext]
futurama
17:35:58 [outsidecontext]
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=nibbler&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
17:36:07 [ruaok]
we already have a futurama character... bender. I'm trying to not overlap the shows...
17:36:55 [dankine]
which shows do you have chars from?
17:37:22 [ruaok]
nikki: did you write up that page with the server names?
17:38:04 [outsidecontext]
luks must name it, i ave to go :) cu
17:38:04 [herojoker]
call it "junkers"!
17:38:22 [ruaok]
luks: want to?
17:38:33 [ruaok]
ijabs should also have a stab at it.
17:39:56 [ruaok]
dankine: we have: zim, bender, catbus, lingling, blik, scooby, cartman, wiley, zaphod, carl, lenny, jem, misty, hefty and moose (name fail)
17:40:26 [dankine]
:) was just trying to think of cartoons that you may not have names from
17:40:44 [ruaok]
* ruaok nods
17:40:51 [ruaok]
I'm sure you can work with this list. :)
17:41:12 [dankine]
hehe most certainly yes
17:41:13 [nikki]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Nikki/Server_names
17:41:27 [dankine]
metalocalypse springs to mind, personally
17:43:57 [ruaok]
dankine: bzzzt. too hard to type fail.
17:44:08 [dankine]
nah thats the name of the cartoon
17:44:33 [dankine]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalocalypse#Characters
17:44:54 [dankine]
wartooth, murderface
17:47:38 [ruaok]
eh, fuck it.
17:47:45 [ruaok]
we have the simpons duplicated.
17:47:50 [ruaok]
* ruaok accepts nibbler
17:48:07 [nikki]
the simpsons came as a pair though :P
17:48:39 [ruaok]
does it count if bender is not in active service?
17:48:51 [axionix]
how about stimpy :)
17:48:56 [ruaok]
bender is our frozen spare.
17:49:05 [ruaok]
axionix: we have stimpy
17:49:05 [Wizzcat]
frylock![6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~
17:49:07 [axionix]
oh lol wow
17:49:25 [Wizzcat]
sup crazy chars
17:49:39 [ruaok]
* ruaok prods ijabz
17:49:42 [nikki]
hehe, well, it's your decision, I'm just saying :P
17:49:51 [ruaok]
and that is a good point, really.
17:50:18 [ruaok]
I just know that I have computer parts that will be delivered in a couple of hours and I want to have the name ready for when I start installing stuff.
17:50:24 [ijabz]
ruaok: ouch
17:50:31 [ruaok]
sorry.
17:50:36 [ruaok]
ijabz: wanna name a new server?
17:50:52 [ijabz]
what an honour (really)
17:50:54 [ruaok]
(we give naming rights to people who have contributed lots of effort to MB)
17:50:58 [ruaok]
:-)
17:51:07 [ruaok]
see http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Nikki/Server_names
17:51:26 [ruaok]
we're trying to not duplicate shows (unless there is a special case like carl/lenny)
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17:51:33 [ruaok]
and names must be short enough to type fast.
17:51:37 [ruaok]
hi acid2
17:51:50 [ijabz]
so ist always a cartoon
17:51:55 [ruaok]
yes
17:52:05 [axionix]
zim
17:52:06 [ijabz]
let me think
17:52:31 [ruaok]
axionix: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Nikki/Server_names
17:52:36 [ruaok]
you should *really* read that page.
17:52:45 [aCiD2]
evenin' ruaok
17:53:21 [ruaok]
how are things in your neck of the woods?
17:53:34 [ijabz]
what about keyop
17:53:45 [ruaok]
what is that from?
17:54:14 [ijabz]
battle of the planets, (american version of japanese cartton) that was childhood fave
17:54:15 [axionix]
lol beavis
17:54:31 [ruaok]
axionix: oh, I like that one.
17:54:33 [aCiD2]
good! I got those last edit types in today, gonna be submitting the review later tonight or tomorrow depending on how the evening goes
17:54:42 [ruaok]
that would be fitting for this server too.
17:54:54 [aCiD2]
and brian has just submitted some more comments on the javascript, which is nice - he's pick up a few known issues, but a few things I'd over looked
17:55:25 [ruaok]
aCiD2: I saw that review. I'm glad its helpful.
17:55:59 [ruaok]
ijabz: so, is that your choice?
17:56:29 [ijabz]
well, it could be, but if it is not liked I could think of something else
17:56:45 [ruaok]
seems ok to me.
17:57:25 [ijabz]
k
17:58:13 [axionix]
garfield, rocko, pinky, buster, stewie, i dunno
18:00:47 [aCiD2]
garfield would be cool, heh
18:01:00 [ruaok]
the fattest, laziest server EVAR
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and most sarcastic
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"sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart" "Are you sure you're really capable of doing even that?"
18:01:42 [aCiD2]
>.>
18:02:41 [ruaok]
* ruaok updated http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2009/2009-10/2009-10-28.html#T17-50-36-490182
18:02:44 [ruaok]
thanks ijabz!
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this channel is logged?
18:09:05 [omgyja]
hi boys. i want to add http://www.discogs.com/Various-Power-Play-EP-II/release/122170 into MB, but i dont know how to. 1st i must add release group, and then add releases into group.. but how... is there any guide ?
18:09:49 [omgyja]
its 3x LP and i want it add correctly into MB
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18:22:03 [Wizzcat]
omgyja: release groups are added automatically when you add a release
18:22:50 [Wizzcat]
just add the first disc, then add the remaining discs to the new release group
18:22:57 [omgyja]
Wizzcat: and how to join into one, when i want it name it ... disc1..3
18:23:48 [Wizzcat]
join what into one?
18:24:33 [Wizzcat]
you can name release groups whatever you want, just rename it and remove the (disc 1) after you've added the first disc
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19:06:05 [MClemo]
slooooooohoooooow site
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or connection
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19:11:15 [axionix]
you mentioned libofa, but their forums dont exist, and link to musicip dns website redirects to main page
19:11:26 [axionix]
is it dead?
19:14:24 [daveisadork]
is there a way to use album.tagger.xmlws.post from a plugin and have it *not* try to parse the response as XML, but rather just pass it along like album.tagger.xmlws.download does?
19:27:14 [axionix]
also, why does picard use python-musicbrainz which is deprecated in favor of the new xml format with python-musicbrainz2?
19:27:23 [axionix]
am i misunderstanding something again?
19:30:20 [nikki]
where are you seeing that?
19:33:49 [axionix]
nikki: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PythonMusicbrainz
19:34:09 [nikki]
where does it say picard uses it?
19:34:30 [axionix]
it doesnt, but i didnt have it installed. what is it using then?
19:36:15 [nikki]
it uses the xml webservice, but I don't know if it uses python-musicbrainz2 for that or not
19:37:19 [axionix]
lol i went to #python and they told me it would be better to use twisted or the cgi library
19:37:31 [axionix]
im trying to figure out what i should use, and the reasoning picard doesnt use this
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20:17:41 [ruaok]
navap: ping
20:17:53 [navap]
Pong
20:19:11 [ruaok]
so, on http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5470#comment:4
20:19:23 [ruaok]
djce objects to: http://recaptcha.net/terms.html
20:19:42 [ruaok]
are there any other captcha solutions out there?
20:19:42 [navap]
What in the terms specifically is he objecting to, do you know?
20:19:54 [ruaok]
no.
20:24:55 [navap]
From looking at the files that come with this extension, it looks like it's published under a GPL license. That means there won't be any terms for hib to object to right? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit
20:25:14 [navap]
It just doesn't look as pretty as Google's recaptcha service.
20:25:14 [navap]
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/295/confirmeditbj4.jpg
20:26:11 [navap]
It's actually the extension that the recaptcha plugin is based on, so the triggers for when the captcha pops up are the same.
20:26:35 [ruaok]
triggers?
20:27:02 [navap]
i.e. "show the captcha for all anon edits" "don't show it for logged in users"...
20:27:23 [navap]
s/pops up/popups
20:28:02 [ruaok]
nice.
20:28:28 [ruaok]
can you update the bug report with the new captcha suggestion and we'll see if djce takes the bait this time? :)
20:28:57 [navap]
Okay.
20:30:54 [ruaok]
thx
20:30:54 [navap]
I'm not too fond of it's appearence, it's almost not even visible :/
20:31:05 [navap]
Try making an edit on http://xabbu.net
20:32:03 [nikki]
maybe a bit of css to give it a border and/or background colour would help
20:32:04 [navap]
Maybe jsut drawing a red box around it will make it work.
20:32:06 [navap]
heh
20:32:09 [nikki]
:D
20:32:48 [ruaok]
its also sucky that it doesn't appear until after you submit the page.
20:33:02 [ruaok]
there is no way to do it in one step.
20:33:15 [ruaok]
but on the positive side, its accessible for blind people.
20:47:23 [navap]
Okay well I have a red box around the actual captcha question, but haven't managed to figure out how to get the text above it inside the same div.
20:47:34 [navap]
I'm going out right now, so I'll take a look at that when I get back.
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