IRC log of musicbrainz on 2010-07-14

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02:14:53 [navap]
Anyone having trouble with Picard? I can't load releases and PUID lookups are behaving oddly.
02:15:22 [nikki]
* nikki wonders what oddly means
02:16:21 [navap]
The status bar has said "creating fingerprint..." for a few files, but no lookups are being done.
02:17:04 [nikki]
does the log say anything?
02:17:25 [navap]
I: <sip.voidptr object at 0x01E13170> 22:17:21 Not reloading, some requests are still active.
02:17:54 [navap]
That's from me trying to refresh a loading release.
02:18:37 [nikki]
restart picard?
02:20:14 [navap]
It loads releases now, but the PUID looks are still very slow.
02:20:41 [navap]
It's just scanned 10 files and only one of them has turned back into black.
02:20:58 [navap]
Usually they turn black before the next file is scanned.
02:21:24 [navap]
And I just refreshed the loaded release and now it won't load again.
02:28:31 [ianmcorvidae]
I've gotten throttled on the MB api through normal picard usage before; I just waited ten minutes or something and then tried again
02:28:48 [ianmcorvidae]
that would be my first instinct on that, anyway
02:29:07 [navap]
Yeah
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04:21:03 [dinog]
are track relationships not displaying on the release page for anyone else?
04:22:16 [navap]
Did you accidentally click the "hide relationships" link?
04:22:33 [navap]
(if so there should be a "show relationships" link)
04:24:11 [dinog]
hehe, that's exactly what i did. thanks.
04:24:31 [navap]
No problem :)
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05:33:47 [docadams]
is there any method or precedent for taking somthing like a tracklist for an album from MB and put it on a wiki page?
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05:34:49 [navap]
Which wiki?
05:34:57 [navap]
You want to put a tracklist up on wikipedia? Go for it.
05:40:27 [docadams]
its for a wiki for underground music in my area
05:41:24 [docadams]
http://thesecrethistory.org, I'm not sure what licensing is involved but it is probably mutable
05:41:51 [navap]
ruaok: Tracklists are in the public domain right?
05:42:03 [ruaok]
yes
05:42:20 [ianmcorvidae]
http://musicbrainz.org/doc/MusicBrainz_License for full details :)
05:42:34 [navap]
docadams: Public domain means you can go nuts and do whatever you want with it.
05:42:54 [docadams]
I was thinking about taking formatting and links with the tracklist
05:43:55 [docadams]
or should I just leave it at MB links at the bottom of wiki pages
05:46:14 [docadams]
I ask because the wiki and MB have a similiar intent
05:48:44 [navap]
If you want to take tracklists and put them up on a wiki that's totally fine, if you want to link the tracks back to MB that's fine too.
05:50:14 [docadams]
I'm really looking to save time reconciling the web site and MB, I'll figure something out
05:59:29 [docadams]
I don't know much about HTML but I guess what I was trying to ask was if a wiki page could present dynamic MB information without putting to much load on MB
06:01:56 [navap]
The closest thing to that would be for them to setup their own copy of the MusicBrainz Database. The database could then be automatically be kept up to date with the latest changes on musicbrainz.org.
06:06:42 [docadams]
That would do it, but it sounds like it could be more work than doing it all by hand so it answers my question, thanks
06:12:17 [docadams]
I don't know what kind of hosting the site has, but I'll see if it's possible
06:21:58 [warp]
it actually wouldn't be very hard to format a musicbrainz webservice query as html, and cache it locally.
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06:32:48 [docadams]
thanks dudes, but I'm going to sleep
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07:13:12 [luks]
naming software projects is hard :(
07:13:42 [luks]
I'd like to finally make the fingerprinting code I've been working on public
07:13:47 [luks]
but I don't have a good name for it
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07:18:05 [warp]
luks: hah, I've been cranky all sunday because I couldn't think of a name for a project.
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08:57:24 [herojoker]
luks: perhaps "musid", where in the logo (if you want one) you could build the "d" from a "c" and a quarter note
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11:14:46 [MBChatLogger]
Ponies and sunshine and myspace and glitter!!
11:14:46 [luks]
herojoker: that's very close to gracenote's musicid
11:15:19 [herojoker]
luks: hmm, didn't know that :/
11:15:23 [luks]
{Song,Music,Audio}ID is already used
11:15:26 [luks]
even FooID :)
11:15:40 [herojoker]
then use BarID ;-)
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11:16:06 [herojoker]
bar even has a meaning in the context of music theory
11:18:28 [Wizzcat]
{Song,Music,Audio,Pony}Print
11:18:32 [herojoker]
RecID
11:19:16 [luks]
my internal name is Chromaprint, as it's based on so called "Chroma Feature"
11:21:05 [luks]
hm, RecID is maybe not that bad
11:21:46 [warp]
sounds a bit generic.
11:21:50 [herojoker]
indeed
11:21:54 [luks]
I like SongPrint, but apparently there already is an old open source project with that name :(
11:22:54 [luks]
hmm
11:23:00 [luks]
actually SongID doesn't seem to be used
11:24:10 [herojoker]
RECognizer
11:27:54 [herojoker]
Acoustid (again with some way to make the ID in it more visible)
11:29:10 [nikki]
thingyid
11:29:15 [herojoker]
XD
11:30:15 [luks]
MusicEarz :)
11:30:30 [nikki]
hehe...
11:32:06 [herojoker]
MusicFiid
11:40:37 [herojoker]
{Music,Song,...}Eater
11:40:46 [herojoker]
or something with "digest" ^^
11:40:58 [herojoker]
or condense
11:41:53 [herojoker]
just "essence" would be nice ^^
11:43:22 [Muz]
Just call it loldongs. Easy to remember.
11:47:53 [herojoker]
idman
11:51:23 [FauxFaux]
Donglols.
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13:40:24 [Pr0Nick]
cool nick, pronik ;)
14:20:22 [pronik]
herojoker: of course it is ;)
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* nikki prods the server
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* VxJasonxV prods the nikki
15:49:56 [VxJasonxV]
oh wait. I mean...
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16:13:10 [VxJasonxV]
Huh, I didn't realize MBz didn't use TRAC anymore.
16:13:47 [VxJasonxV]
I was about to ask someone how to register for an account on JIRA, because I couldn't see it. My eyes totally glossed over the text underneath the username field.
16:14:36 [VxJasonxV]
How hard is it to tolower() all usernames so that the user doesn't have too? Oi vey.
16:14:50 [nikki]
hm?
16:15:00 [nikki]
in jira?
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17:00:54 [chrisb]
is a modbot a person or really a bot?
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17:05:17 [VxJasonxV]
yeah
17:05:22 [VxJasonxV]
(nikki) ^^
17:09:03 [navap]
chrisb: ModBot is a bot, see his homepage for more information.
17:10:23 [chrisb]
navap: ok
17:35:06 [MClemo]
I heard it's a really intelligent monkey
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18:25:57 [aCiD2]
ruaok: you think stretching for an anrdoid is worth it?
18:26:22 [aCiD2]
I'm just not a big phone user... so justifying the extra money is a bit tricky. though I am starting to use my phone more which is why I'm looking for something new
18:29:31 [ruaok]
yes, its not a phone. its a small computer in your pocket.
18:29:48 [ruaok]
besides you want top play with the MB app, no?
18:46:57 [aCiD2]
that is true :)
18:47:04 [aCiD2]
But I already have my iPod touch for my small computer...
18:47:14 [aCiD2]
and I haven't been as impressed with the media player for droids than what is on my iPod
19:12:19 [VxJasonxV]
doubletwist
19:13:23 [VxJasonxV]
Are their any android based phones that would let you get a low-use prepaid allowance or something?
19:21:46 [chrisb]
can i see who has voted on my edits? can i see if anyone has even taken a look at an edit?
19:25:52 [nikki]
you can see who's voted
19:25:59 [nikki]
but you don't know who's seen the edit
19:28:43 [chrisb]
nikki: thanks. how about how many times the edit has been views?
19:30:21 [nikki]
nope
19:32:30 [chrisb]
thanks
19:33:10 [chrisb]
i'm considering a sonus or squeezebox box to replace my 5CD changer
19:33:50 [chrisb]
they are wireless network boxes with a lineout signal and some kind of playlist interface
19:34:26 [chrisb]
i tried using an iPod in a cradle, but I just strongly dislike appleness
19:34:54 [chrisb]
i want to listen to flac, not take a step backwards to mp3
19:39:13 [FauxFaux]
Have you abx'd that you can tell the difference?
19:49:02 [aCiD2]
chrisb: I'd probably go with building my own little media centre
19:49:11 [aCiD2]
I think you'd get a little more control on that, but I dunno what the software is like
19:49:58 [chrisb]
aCiD2: what would you use?
19:50:24 [aCiD2]
chrisb: software wise?
19:50:34 [aCiD2]
I have no idea, I've never looked into it :)
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19:50:56 [chrisb]
FauxFaux: no i haven't compared on the ipod, (it doesn't play flac AFAIK) but i have compared with another digital music player (Sansa) and i prefer the flac
19:51:13 [chrisb]
it is also an archival integrity (backup) issue
20:05:57 [VxJasonxV]
chrisb, take a step forward to AAC :P
20:06:59 [VxJasonxV]
I have no answer for FLAC, however
20:07:19 [VxJasonxV]
I use Squeezebox. It's been kind of a nightmare on my Linux desktop (which runs as a headless server, FWIW), works great on my mac mini :).
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20:11:26 [chrisb]
VxJasonxV: AAC, too much appleness for me
20:11:42 [chrisb]
VxJasonxV: thanks for the heads-up on squeezebox on linux
20:11:56 [VxJasonxV]
FWIW, it could be totally Gentoo's fault
20:12:10 [VxJasonxV]
but Squeezebox depends on some perl modules that don't seem to install well for me
20:12:13 [VxJasonxV]
general CPAN drama
20:12:38 [VxJasonxV]
also, if AAC is "appleness", then you have no hope in surviving in a co-operating world...
20:13:03 [chrisb]
is AAC encumbered like mp3?
20:13:12 [VxJasonxV]
not to the best of my knowledge
20:13:32 [VxJasonxV]
it's also not completely crap from one encoder to another unlike mp3
20:13:56 [hawke_]
VxJasonxV: does anyone use anything besides LAME though?
20:14:01 [chrisb]
VxJasonxV: that's what i'm talkin' about --- lossless
20:14:02 [hawke_]
Also, there are patents on AAC
20:14:03 [VxJasonxV]
xing, I think?
20:14:15 [VxJasonxV]
lame, xing, and... I can't remember the other prolific one.
20:14:17 [hawke_]
VxJasonxV: right, other encoders exist…but does anyone actually use them?
20:14:37 [VxJasonxV]
like I said, hawke_, I use Nero's codecs. FAAC/FAAD2, and ffmpeg (whatever it ships)
20:14:45 [chrisb]
VxJasonxV: ffmpeg seems to be a swiss army knife of audio/video
20:14:52 [VxJasonxV]
better than gstreamer, ugh
20:15:00 [VxJasonxV]
gstreamer is a damn nightmare, in every sense of the word
20:15:06 [VxJasonxV]
I just don't know what ffmpeg uses under the hood
20:15:15 [VxJasonxV]
hawke_, there are patents on everything.
20:15:22 [VxJasonxV]
the question is who holds them and what do they do with them
20:15:23 [hawke_]
chrisb: There are patents on AAC, but they’re less cumbersome than the ones on mp3
20:15:46 [hawke_]
Not that the ones on MP3 are particularly cumbersome in a practical sense
20:15:50 [hawke_]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents
20:16:26 [VxJasonxV]
chrisb, so. Lossless. I make no bones that your FLAC method is a great idea. I do the same. I have in my Squeeze library, about 50% MP3, 30% FLAC, 10% AAC, and a few other random things encompassing the last. Vorbis, Speex, APE (ugh), etc.
20:16:44 [VxJasonxV]
If you're maintaining a lossless library, hopefully NOT on a portable device; great, more power to you, great idea.
20:16:54 [VxJasonxV]
If you're using a mobile device, and use FLAC, you're a masochist :D
20:17:12 [VxJasonxV]
a friend has FLAC files litered across SD cards he has in his Nexus
20:17:27 [VxJasonxV]
Nexus One*, and I think he's crazy
20:17:39 [ruaok]
* ruaok nods
20:19:29 [VxJasonxV]
Mobile Libraries, AAC <3
20:19:42 [VxJasonxV]
Desktop/Server'ish Storage, FLAC <3
20:20:16 [hawke_]
If only there were something that did a decent job of converting/caching that stuff…
20:20:25 [hawke_]
best of both worlds
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20:29:54 [VxJasonxV]
?
20:30:01 [VxJasonxV]
how do you mean?
20:31:30 [hawke_]
Like to convert it for use with a mobile device, and cache it so it doesn’t have to re-encode if/when it’s transferred again.
20:31:35 [hawke_]
(from flac)
20:31:47 [hawke_]
There are a few things that do that, but nothing that does a good job, IMO.
20:33:45 [hawke_]
I mean, iTunes does an OK job with it’s “Convert everything to 128k AAC when syncing” but of course it doesn’t do that with anything except MP3 >128K and ALAC.
20:35:01 [VxJasonxV]
http://mp3fs.sourceforge.net/
20:35:14 [VxJasonxV]
no caching, but on a modern cpu this would be a huge boon
20:36:47 [hawke_]
Interesting.
20:37:06 [hawke_]
Might be a bit memory-hungry, but interesting
20:37:21 [ianmcorvidae]
also does only cbr, which is vaguely annoying
20:37:27 [ianmcorvidae]
but perhaps negligible
20:38:12 [hawke_]
Perhaps not a big deal when you’re only using it for portable files
20:38:26 [ianmcorvidae]
yeah
20:38:29 [hawke_]
’course, it also only does FLAC.
20:38:32 [hawke_]
as a source
20:40:53 [VxJasonxV]
cbr is only because he couldn't have a static filesize with vbr
20:41:35 [VxJasonxV]
My only point there was that this is all feasible
20:41:49 [VxJasonxV]
and there are already in-roads on the subject
20:43:05 [ianmcorvidae]
yeah
20:43:27 [ianmcorvidae]
someone else was doing one including VBR, but that one required it to encode it in order to do any calls requiring the filesize which is a bit silly :P
20:51:25 [VxJasonxV]
right
20:51:28 [VxJasonxV]
hence why it's cbr only
20:51:34 [VxJasonxV]
the filesystem stat can't lie...
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22:41:57 [Leftmost]
nikki, I don't suppose you know anything about why this Fuze playlist won't correctly pull in songs with accents in the name. (I suspect encoding problems, but I cannot confirm.)
22:42:40 [Leftmost]
Sorry to use you as support.:P
22:47:03 [nikki]
nope :/
22:47:05 [nikki]
sorry :/
22:49:39 [Leftmost]
Curses. Frustrating thing.
22:50:15 [Leftmost]
I wonder if Linux is just using the wrong encoding for the FS.
22:51:16 [nikki]
is it just songs with accents in the file name then?
22:51:58 [Leftmost]
Yeah. I have a playlist which includes two songs by Jos� Gonz�lez, and they're the only two not showing up in the playlist. They show up in the songs list just fine, though.
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