IRC log of musicbrainz on 2010-07-14
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- 02:14:53 [navap]
- Anyone having trouble with Picard? I can't load releases and PUID lookups are behaving oddly.
- 02:15:22 [nikki]
- * nikki wonders what oddly means
- 02:16:21 [navap]
- The status bar has said "creating fingerprint..." for a few files, but no lookups are being done.
- 02:17:04 [nikki]
- does the log say anything?
- 02:17:25 [navap]
- I: <sip.voidptr object at 0x01E13170> 22:17:21 Not reloading, some requests are still active.
- 02:17:54 [navap]
- That's from me trying to refresh a loading release.
- 02:18:37 [nikki]
- restart picard?
- 02:20:14 [navap]
- It loads releases now, but the PUID looks are still very slow.
- 02:20:41 [navap]
- It's just scanned 10 files and only one of them has turned back into black.
- 02:20:58 [navap]
- Usually they turn black before the next file is scanned.
- 02:21:24 [navap]
- And I just refreshed the loaded release and now it won't load again.
- 02:28:31 [ianmcorvidae]
- I've gotten throttled on the MB api through normal picard usage before; I just waited ten minutes or something and then tried again
- 02:28:48 [ianmcorvidae]
- that would be my first instinct on that, anyway
- 02:29:07 [navap]
- Yeah
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- 04:21:03 [dinog]
- are track relationships not displaying on the release page for anyone else?
- 04:22:16 [navap]
- Did you accidentally click the "hide relationships" link?
- 04:22:33 [navap]
- (if so there should be a "show relationships" link)
- 04:24:11 [dinog]
- hehe, that's exactly what i did. thanks.
- 04:24:31 [navap]
- No problem :)
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- 05:33:47 [docadams]
- is there any method or precedent for taking somthing like a tracklist for an album from MB and put it on a wiki page?
- 05:34:31 [Stone420]
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- 05:34:49 [navap]
- Which wiki?
- 05:34:57 [navap]
- You want to put a tracklist up on wikipedia? Go for it.
- 05:40:27 [docadams]
- its for a wiki for underground music in my area
- 05:41:24 [docadams]
- http://thesecrethistory.org, I'm not sure what licensing is involved but it is probably mutable
- 05:41:51 [navap]
- ruaok: Tracklists are in the public domain right?
- 05:42:03 [ruaok]
- yes
- 05:42:20 [ianmcorvidae]
- http://musicbrainz.org/doc/MusicBrainz_License for full details :)
- 05:42:34 [navap]
- docadams: Public domain means you can go nuts and do whatever you want with it.
- 05:42:54 [docadams]
- I was thinking about taking formatting and links with the tracklist
- 05:43:55 [docadams]
- or should I just leave it at MB links at the bottom of wiki pages
- 05:46:14 [docadams]
- I ask because the wiki and MB have a similiar intent
- 05:48:44 [navap]
- If you want to take tracklists and put them up on a wiki that's totally fine, if you want to link the tracks back to MB that's fine too.
- 05:50:14 [docadams]
- I'm really looking to save time reconciling the web site and MB, I'll figure something out
- 05:59:29 [docadams]
- I don't know much about HTML but I guess what I was trying to ask was if a wiki page could present dynamic MB information without putting to much load on MB
- 06:01:56 [navap]
- The closest thing to that would be for them to setup their own copy of the MusicBrainz Database. The database could then be automatically be kept up to date with the latest changes on musicbrainz.org.
- 06:06:42 [docadams]
- That would do it, but it sounds like it could be more work than doing it all by hand so it answers my question, thanks
- 06:12:17 [docadams]
- I don't know what kind of hosting the site has, but I'll see if it's possible
- 06:21:58 [warp]
- it actually wouldn't be very hard to format a musicbrainz webservice query as html, and cache it locally.
- 06:28:51 [BurgessShale]
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- 06:32:48 [docadams]
- thanks dudes, but I'm going to sleep
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- 07:13:12 [luks]
- naming software projects is hard :(
- 07:13:42 [luks]
- I'd like to finally make the fingerprinting code I've been working on public
- 07:13:47 [luks]
- but I don't have a good name for it
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- 07:18:05 [warp]
- luks: hah, I've been cranky all sunday because I couldn't think of a name for a project.
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- 08:57:24 [herojoker]
- luks: perhaps "musid", where in the logo (if you want one) you could build the "d" from a "c" and a quarter note
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- 11:14:46 [MBChatLogger]
- Ponies and sunshine and myspace and glitter!!
- 11:14:46 [luks]
- herojoker: that's very close to gracenote's musicid
- 11:15:19 [herojoker]
- luks: hmm, didn't know that :/
- 11:15:23 [luks]
- {Song,Music,Audio}ID is already used
- 11:15:26 [luks]
- even FooID :)
- 11:15:40 [herojoker]
- then use BarID ;-)
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- 11:16:06 [herojoker]
- bar even has a meaning in the context of music theory
- 11:18:28 [Wizzcat]
- {Song,Music,Audio,Pony}Print
- 11:18:32 [herojoker]
- RecID
- 11:19:16 [luks]
- my internal name is Chromaprint, as it's based on so called "Chroma Feature"
- 11:21:05 [luks]
- hm, RecID is maybe not that bad
- 11:21:46 [warp]
- sounds a bit generic.
- 11:21:50 [herojoker]
- indeed
- 11:21:54 [luks]
- I like SongPrint, but apparently there already is an old open source project with that name :(
- 11:22:54 [luks]
- hmm
- 11:23:00 [luks]
- actually SongID doesn't seem to be used
- 11:24:10 [herojoker]
- RECognizer
- 11:27:54 [herojoker]
- Acoustid (again with some way to make the ID in it more visible)
- 11:29:10 [nikki]
- thingyid
- 11:29:15 [herojoker]
- XD
- 11:30:15 [luks]
- MusicEarz :)
- 11:30:30 [nikki]
- hehe...
- 11:32:06 [herojoker]
- MusicFiid
- 11:40:37 [herojoker]
- {Music,Song,...}Eater
- 11:40:46 [herojoker]
- or something with "digest" ^^
- 11:40:58 [herojoker]
- or condense
- 11:41:53 [herojoker]
- just "essence" would be nice ^^
- 11:43:22 [Muz]
- Just call it loldongs. Easy to remember.
- 11:47:53 [herojoker]
- idman
- 11:51:23 [FauxFaux]
- Donglols.
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- 13:40:24 [Pr0Nick]
- cool nick, pronik ;)
- 14:20:22 [pronik]
- herojoker: of course it is ;)
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- * nikki prods the server
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- * VxJasonxV prods the nikki
- 15:49:56 [VxJasonxV]
- oh wait. I mean...
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- 16:13:10 [VxJasonxV]
- Huh, I didn't realize MBz didn't use TRAC anymore.
- 16:13:47 [VxJasonxV]
- I was about to ask someone how to register for an account on JIRA, because I couldn't see it. My eyes totally glossed over the text underneath the username field.
- 16:14:36 [VxJasonxV]
- How hard is it to tolower() all usernames so that the user doesn't have too? Oi vey.
- 16:14:50 [nikki]
- hm?
- 16:15:00 [nikki]
- in jira?
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- 17:00:54 [chrisb]
- is a modbot a person or really a bot?
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- 17:05:17 [VxJasonxV]
- yeah
- 17:05:22 [VxJasonxV]
- (nikki) ^^
- 17:09:03 [navap]
- chrisb: ModBot is a bot, see his homepage for more information.
- 17:10:23 [chrisb]
- navap: ok
- 17:35:06 [MClemo]
- I heard it's a really intelligent monkey
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- 18:25:57 [aCiD2]
- ruaok: you think stretching for an anrdoid is worth it?
- 18:26:22 [aCiD2]
- I'm just not a big phone user... so justifying the extra money is a bit tricky. though I am starting to use my phone more which is why I'm looking for something new
- 18:29:31 [ruaok]
- yes, its not a phone. its a small computer in your pocket.
- 18:29:48 [ruaok]
- besides you want top play with the MB app, no?
- 18:46:57 [aCiD2]
- that is true :)
- 18:47:04 [aCiD2]
- But I already have my iPod touch for my small computer...
- 18:47:14 [aCiD2]
- and I haven't been as impressed with the media player for droids than what is on my iPod
- 19:12:19 [VxJasonxV]
- doubletwist
- 19:13:23 [VxJasonxV]
- Are their any android based phones that would let you get a low-use prepaid allowance or something?
- 19:21:46 [chrisb]
- can i see who has voted on my edits? can i see if anyone has even taken a look at an edit?
- 19:25:52 [nikki]
- you can see who's voted
- 19:25:59 [nikki]
- but you don't know who's seen the edit
- 19:28:43 [chrisb]
- nikki: thanks. how about how many times the edit has been views?
- 19:30:21 [nikki]
- nope
- 19:32:30 [chrisb]
- thanks
- 19:33:10 [chrisb]
- i'm considering a sonus or squeezebox box to replace my 5CD changer
- 19:33:50 [chrisb]
- they are wireless network boxes with a lineout signal and some kind of playlist interface
- 19:34:26 [chrisb]
- i tried using an iPod in a cradle, but I just strongly dislike appleness
- 19:34:54 [chrisb]
- i want to listen to flac, not take a step backwards to mp3
- 19:39:13 [FauxFaux]
- Have you abx'd that you can tell the difference?
- 19:49:02 [aCiD2]
- chrisb: I'd probably go with building my own little media centre
- 19:49:11 [aCiD2]
- I think you'd get a little more control on that, but I dunno what the software is like
- 19:49:58 [chrisb]
- aCiD2: what would you use?
- 19:50:24 [aCiD2]
- chrisb: software wise?
- 19:50:34 [aCiD2]
- I have no idea, I've never looked into it :)
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- 19:50:56 [chrisb]
- FauxFaux: no i haven't compared on the ipod, (it doesn't play flac AFAIK) but i have compared with another digital music player (Sansa) and i prefer the flac
- 19:51:13 [chrisb]
- it is also an archival integrity (backup) issue
- 20:05:57 [VxJasonxV]
- chrisb, take a step forward to AAC :P
- 20:06:59 [VxJasonxV]
- I have no answer for FLAC, however
- 20:07:19 [VxJasonxV]
- I use Squeezebox. It's been kind of a nightmare on my Linux desktop (which runs as a headless server, FWIW), works great on my mac mini :).
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- 20:11:26 [chrisb]
- VxJasonxV: AAC, too much appleness for me
- 20:11:42 [chrisb]
- VxJasonxV: thanks for the heads-up on squeezebox on linux
- 20:11:56 [VxJasonxV]
- FWIW, it could be totally Gentoo's fault
- 20:12:10 [VxJasonxV]
- but Squeezebox depends on some perl modules that don't seem to install well for me
- 20:12:13 [VxJasonxV]
- general CPAN drama
- 20:12:38 [VxJasonxV]
- also, if AAC is "appleness", then you have no hope in surviving in a co-operating world...
- 20:13:03 [chrisb]
- is AAC encumbered like mp3?
- 20:13:12 [VxJasonxV]
- not to the best of my knowledge
- 20:13:32 [VxJasonxV]
- it's also not completely crap from one encoder to another unlike mp3
- 20:13:56 [hawke_]
- VxJasonxV: does anyone use anything besides LAME though?
- 20:14:01 [chrisb]
- VxJasonxV: that's what i'm talkin' about --- lossless
- 20:14:02 [hawke_]
- Also, there are patents on AAC
- 20:14:03 [VxJasonxV]
- xing, I think?
- 20:14:15 [VxJasonxV]
- lame, xing, and... I can't remember the other prolific one.
- 20:14:17 [hawke_]
- VxJasonxV: right, other encoders exist…but does anyone actually use them?
- 20:14:37 [VxJasonxV]
- like I said, hawke_, I use Nero's codecs. FAAC/FAAD2, and ffmpeg (whatever it ships)
- 20:14:45 [chrisb]
- VxJasonxV: ffmpeg seems to be a swiss army knife of audio/video
- 20:14:52 [VxJasonxV]
- better than gstreamer, ugh
- 20:15:00 [VxJasonxV]
- gstreamer is a damn nightmare, in every sense of the word
- 20:15:06 [VxJasonxV]
- I just don't know what ffmpeg uses under the hood
- 20:15:15 [VxJasonxV]
- hawke_, there are patents on everything.
- 20:15:22 [VxJasonxV]
- the question is who holds them and what do they do with them
- 20:15:23 [hawke_]
- chrisb: There are patents on AAC, but they’re less cumbersome than the ones on mp3
- 20:15:46 [hawke_]
- Not that the ones on MP3 are particularly cumbersome in a practical sense
- 20:15:50 [hawke_]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents
- 20:16:26 [VxJasonxV]
- chrisb, so. Lossless. I make no bones that your FLAC method is a great idea. I do the same. I have in my Squeeze library, about 50% MP3, 30% FLAC, 10% AAC, and a few other random things encompassing the last. Vorbis, Speex, APE (ugh), etc.
- 20:16:44 [VxJasonxV]
- If you're maintaining a lossless library, hopefully NOT on a portable device; great, more power to you, great idea.
- 20:16:54 [VxJasonxV]
- If you're using a mobile device, and use FLAC, you're a masochist :D
- 20:17:12 [VxJasonxV]
- a friend has FLAC files litered across SD cards he has in his Nexus
- 20:17:27 [VxJasonxV]
- Nexus One*, and I think he's crazy
- 20:17:39 [ruaok]
- * ruaok nods
- 20:19:29 [VxJasonxV]
- Mobile Libraries, AAC <3
- 20:19:42 [VxJasonxV]
- Desktop/Server'ish Storage, FLAC <3
- 20:20:16 [hawke_]
- If only there were something that did a decent job of converting/caching that stuff…
- 20:20:25 [hawke_]
- best of both worlds
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- 20:29:54 [VxJasonxV]
- ?
- 20:30:01 [VxJasonxV]
- how do you mean?
- 20:31:30 [hawke_]
- Like to convert it for use with a mobile device, and cache it so it doesn’t have to re-encode if/when it’s transferred again.
- 20:31:35 [hawke_]
- (from flac)
- 20:31:47 [hawke_]
- There are a few things that do that, but nothing that does a good job, IMO.
- 20:33:45 [hawke_]
- I mean, iTunes does an OK job with it’s “Convert everything to 128k AAC when syncing” but of course it doesn’t do that with anything except MP3 >128K and ALAC.
- 20:35:01 [VxJasonxV]
- http://mp3fs.sourceforge.net/
- 20:35:14 [VxJasonxV]
- no caching, but on a modern cpu this would be a huge boon
- 20:36:47 [hawke_]
- Interesting.
- 20:37:06 [hawke_]
- Might be a bit memory-hungry, but interesting
- 20:37:21 [ianmcorvidae]
- also does only cbr, which is vaguely annoying
- 20:37:27 [ianmcorvidae]
- but perhaps negligible
- 20:38:12 [hawke_]
- Perhaps not a big deal when you’re only using it for portable files
- 20:38:26 [ianmcorvidae]
- yeah
- 20:38:29 [hawke_]
- ’course, it also only does FLAC.
- 20:38:32 [hawke_]
- as a source
- 20:40:53 [VxJasonxV]
- cbr is only because he couldn't have a static filesize with vbr
- 20:41:35 [VxJasonxV]
- My only point there was that this is all feasible
- 20:41:49 [VxJasonxV]
- and there are already in-roads on the subject
- 20:43:05 [ianmcorvidae]
- yeah
- 20:43:27 [ianmcorvidae]
- someone else was doing one including VBR, but that one required it to encode it in order to do any calls requiring the filesize which is a bit silly :P
- 20:51:25 [VxJasonxV]
- right
- 20:51:28 [VxJasonxV]
- hence why it's cbr only
- 20:51:34 [VxJasonxV]
- the filesystem stat can't lie...
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- 22:41:57 [Leftmost]
- nikki, I don't suppose you know anything about why this Fuze playlist won't correctly pull in songs with accents in the name. (I suspect encoding problems, but I cannot confirm.)
- 22:42:40 [Leftmost]
- Sorry to use you as support.:P
- 22:47:03 [nikki]
- nope :/
- 22:47:05 [nikki]
- sorry :/
- 22:49:39 [Leftmost]
- Curses. Frustrating thing.
- 22:50:15 [Leftmost]
- I wonder if Linux is just using the wrong encoding for the FS.
- 22:51:16 [nikki]
- is it just songs with accents in the file name then?
- 22:51:58 [Leftmost]
- Yeah. I have a playlist which includes two songs by Jos� Gonz�lez, and they're the only two not showing up in the playlist. They show up in the songs list just fine, though.
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