IRC log of musicbrainz on 2011-03-16

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02:50:43 [gorgonzola]
hello peoples! i have two questions about picard: 1.- is there a bom plugin? 2.- will picard rewrite all fields on a tag, or just the ones that musicbrainz uses? eg, will it wipe amarok statistics?
02:50:58 [gorgonzola]
s/bom/bpm/ above
02:51:31 [nikki]
1. I don't think so, 2. depends on your settings
02:52:06 [kepstin]
gorgonzola, by default it will keep tags added by other programs, as long as they don't conflict with something from the musicbrainz db
02:52:08 [nikki]
if you tell it to clear the tags first, then yes it will
02:52:30 [nikki]
hi kepstin!
02:52:43 [kepstin]
hi nikki :)
02:53:06 [kepstin]
* kepstin really should get around to finishing that japanese capitalization guide some time :)
02:53:15 [gorgonzola]
nikki, kepstin thanks a lot about 2. about 1: is that because musicbrainz doesn't register bpm?
02:53:44 [kepstin]
no, musicbrainz doesn't store bpm (and picard doesn't have any code to automatically calculate it)
02:54:23 [kepstin]
there's been some talk about adding bpm I think, but it mostly was for a third-party using a replicated database, iirc?
02:55:09 [nikki]
I think so, yes
02:55:14 [nikki]
and yes, you should finish that guideline :P
02:55:25 [nikki]
tell me if you need any help
02:55:36 [warp]
perhaps you could query the echo nest for bpm
02:56:40 [gorgonzola]
yes, i actually got recommended to look into picard by the people from libechonest
02:57:04 [gorgonzola]
warp do you know how one could go about doing that?
02:57:20 [warp]
gorgonzola: no
02:57:25 [gorgonzola]
:(
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04:53:41 [ruaok]
hmmm.
04:53:47 [ruaok]
anymore notice anything funky with the site?
05:10:59 [ruaok]
postgres is fussy and refuses to restart.
05:11:07 [ruaok]
I'm trying to reboot the server to get it going again.
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05:11:12 [ruaok]
fingers crossed.
05:12:23 [goingnowhere]
morning everyone!
05:16:44 [goingnowhere]
is anyone around? i'm having a frustrating time trying to set up a replicated db
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07:20:45 [VxJasonxV]
no news is good news, I assume
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09:56:01 [mchou]
what's an easy way to view pending changes on a release (info to be changed in yellow)?
09:56:51 [mchou]
I'm on a release page but I don't see a link on what the pending changes are going to be.
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10:05:46 [warp]
mchou: "View release edits"
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10:06:23 [mchou]
nope, that doesn't show pending info
10:07:03 [mchou]
it shows past edit history, but note the pending stuff (what's it's about to be changed to)
10:07:14 [mchou]
s/note/not/
10:08:12 [mchou]
very frustrating
10:08:18 [warp]
do you have a link?
10:10:37 [mchou]
http://musicbrainz.org/album/f88266b7-f1af-4a17-876f-e4d71eccb095.html?tport=8000
10:11:27 [warp]
.
10:11:33 [warp]
there is nothing pending on that release.
10:11:45 [mchou]
VA is marked as pending
10:11:51 [mchou]
it's in yellow
10:12:21 [warp]
ok, the artist has pending edits. so view the edit history of that artist.
10:12:31 [warp]
note that "various artists" _always_ has pending edits.
10:12:48 [mchou]
when i click it it says query takes too long and gives up
10:13:05 [warp]
yes, that's a problem on the current server.
10:15:09 [warp]
mchou: if you really want to see those edits you can do an edit search, under "EditID range" you can set some dates to narrow the search.
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10:36:16 [jesus2099]
mchou: for open edits since yesterday http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&mod_status=8&artist_type=3&artist_id=1&minid=yesterday
10:36:22 [jesus2099]
or last week http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&mod_status=8&artist_type=3&artist_id=1&minid=last+week
10:38:07 [jesus2099]
you can put the max open edit time span (2 weeks) like this too : &minid=2011-03-01
10:38:23 [jesus2099]
result http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&mod_status=8&artist_type=3&artist_id=1&minid=2011-03-01
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10:38:52 [jesus2099]
this was for your Various artists' open edits
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10:46:59 [jesus2099]
actually yo udon't need the minid at all
10:54:46 [jesus2099]
mchou: actually, I updated my "Artist pending edits" script so that it now adds a "SEE OPEN EDITS" link for "Various Artists" too : http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/42102
10:54:51 [jesus2099]
Thanks :)
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hi
11:14:51 [alexsd1]
I recently switched to windows vista
11:15:07 [alexsd1]
unfortunately picard doesn't work
11:15:41 [alexsd1]
on startup it says that the "side-by-side-configuration is incorrect"
11:16:15 [alexsd1]
what can i do?
11:17:36 [warp]
first of all, report the bug in http://bugs.musicbrainz.org if it hasn't been reported yet.
11:18:10 [warp]
i'm not sure if we have any developers with access to vista to try and reproduce the problem.
11:18:55 [warp]
luks, do you have any idea what could be the cause for that error?
11:25:09 [alexsd1]
okay I posted it
11:25:35 [alexsd1]
http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5877
11:30:12 [KRSCuan]
According to the error message, an error protocol should have been generated.
11:30:25 [KRSCuan]
Try to locate it and attach it to the bug report.
11:30:34 [KRSCuan]
Dunno the path it would be at.
11:32:25 [alexsd1]
there is nothing that looks like a protocol within the application folder
11:33:59 [KRSCuan]
That's to be expected. Und er Vista, programs are not supposed to write config data in their app directory.
11:34:23 [KRSCuan]
It should be *somewhere* in your user directory, but I don't know where exactly.
11:38:14 [alexsd1]
I cant find anything suspicious
11:38:31 [KRSCuan]
Your Picard configuration file would be helpful as well, but I don't know where it's located in a Windows installation either.
11:39:08 [KRSCuan]
Is this a fresh install, or did you update an existing Windows install?
11:40:28 [alexsd1]
it's a fresh installation
11:40:55 [alexsd1]
a updated to SP2 in order to fix the problem
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11:59:55 [Tecfan]
i have a question: is this track title gramatically correct? "Zebes Is Actually Four Giant Dentures, and They Are Not Happy About the Situation"
12:00:11 [Tecfan]
naming my own song. should there be a word after "situation"?
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12:26:21 [reosarevok]
Tecfan: sounds ok to me, although I'm not a native either
12:26:37 [Tecfan]
i think there are some potential problems
12:26:56 [Tecfan]
so I think I will go for Zebes Turns Out to Be Four Giant Dentures
12:27:05 [Tecfan]
and write the rest in the description
12:27:14 [Tecfan]
(not on MB)
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13:28:22 [mikemorr]
Regulators, mount up. (opinions/votes please) http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=14209506
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mikemorr: ooph. I only now notice he just died.
14:00:38 [ocharles]
warp: i didn't even know about the strokes and stuff
14:01:17 [warp]
nor me.
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14:29:09 [wijaa]
hello! do you guys know why the calculated track length for some mp3 files is longer than it should be. It must have something to do with the encoding of the file since WinAmp (5.1) also displays the same (wrong) track length.
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14:30:26 [luks]
wijaa: calculating the length of a MP3 file is a lot of guesswork, if you don't have the right headers
14:30:59 [luks]
in the worst case, people do stuff like filesize/bitrate
14:31:27 [luks]
you have to actually decode the file to get the correct length
14:31:41 [luks]
which is why some programs add the Xing header, which includes the length
14:33:48 [wijaa]
How does taglib calculate the length then?
14:34:29 [wijaa]
also by dividing filesize/bitrate? Taglib seems to be quite accurate most of the times.
14:35:01 [luks]
yes, if the file doesn't have the Xing header
14:36:16 [wijaa]
so without Xing header and varying bitrate the guesswork can assumed to be wrong.
14:36:31 [luks]
yes
14:36:47 [wijaa]
good news ;) thanks, luks
14:37:19 [luks]
some players even do crazy stuff like improving the guess as they play the file
14:37:31 [luks]
so at the end you get the right length :)
14:37:40 [wijaa]
Seems like WinAmp does that...
14:38:10 [wijaa]
Is there a way to check for varying bitrate and missing Xing header in TagLib?
14:38:46 [luks]
you can check for the presence of the xing header
14:39:08 [luks]
MPEG::Properties::xingHeader()
14:39:14 [luks]
if it returns NULL, the length is guessed
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14:39:46 [wijaa]
thanks!
14:40:31 [luks]
there is also another header which can provide accurate length (VBRI), but taglib doesn't support that
14:40:39 [luks]
mutagen (the library used by picard) does
14:41:35 [wijaa]
ok, the bitrate for the calculation is just the bitrate of the very first header, right?
14:42:08 [luks]
not sure, I'd have to check the source code
14:42:18 [wijaa]
(at least in my a bit outdated version of TagLib)
14:42:54 [wijaa]
nevermind. Maybe we could average over the first xy headers.
14:43:20 [luks]
out of curiosity, what are you working on?
14:45:02 [wijaa]
a tagging program sort of thing
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14:51:36 [DocMAX]
hi anybode there?
14:51:40 [DocMAX]
anybody
14:54:06 [luks]
nope :)
14:54:41 [DocMAX]
is it possible to prefer albums when looking up mp3s?
14:54:59 [DocMAX]
and exclude compilations
14:55:24 [luks]
it isn't possible to do that in picard at the moment, sorry
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14:55:43 [DocMAX]
really baaaad =(
14:55:58 [DocMAX]
this version is getting old
14:56:13 [DocMAX]
no updates since months
14:56:25 [DocMAX]
it has so much potential
14:56:47 [DocMAX]
no betas either.... =(
15:01:32 [reosarevok]
Well, if you want to develop the option, you're always free to do it ;)
15:02:00 [reosarevok]
There are things Picard could (and maybe should) do better
15:02:13 [reosarevok]
But I think we all know it, so what we need is someone who wants to fix them ;)
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20:04:32 [asimismo]
It would seem json support is forthcoming in MusicBrainz but is it currently available?
20:05:29 [ruaok]
asimismo: json support is not for public consumption now or in NGS.
20:05:38 [ruaok]
we may add it later, but not right now.
20:05:44 [ruaok]
(we need to get NGS done, period)
20:06:21 [asimismo]
k. Dependent on the funding?
20:19:44 [ruaok]
no. dependent on how many people scream and how loud they scream. :-)
20:21:46 [warp]
IMO funding is a good way to scream loudly though. :P
20:21:56 [ruaok]
yes, for sure.
20:22:18 [ruaok]
asimismo: http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=728
20:22:32 [ruaok]
donate more than $1000 and I'll make sure it gets done much faster. :)
20:25:35 [nikki]
haha
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20:50:02 [ocharles]
asimismo: The new web service has been designed so that it should be possible to request JSON in the future, and I for one am quite interested in that :)
20:54:53 [caller_6]
sounds like a decent fundraiser: choose a feature request from a dropdown menu when you donate; best funded request gets priority.
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