IRC log of musicbrainz on 2012-02-02

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00:09:32 [v6lur]
reosarevok: i give up on that loits release. the date is a mystery -- the common 2003 is impossible, 2005 seems probable in the light of those interviews, but now i found https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=454870693741 which effectively says the remix hadn't been released before
00:10:30 [v6lur]
before autumn 2010, that is
00:12:36 [kovacsur]
v6lur, why don't you just contact the band?
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00:20:21 [jocool]
hello guys, i'm trying to setup a debian vm and i could use some help ;)
00:21:19 [jocool]
when trying to start the replication i got this error :
00:21:22 [jocool]
Can't locate aliased.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/httpd/musicbrainz/musicbrainz-server/admin/replication/../../lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/httpd/musicbrainz/musicbrainz-server/admin/replication/../../lib/MusicBrainz/Server/DatabaseConnectionFactory.pm line 6.
00:22:35 [cloq]
http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/libaliased-perl/filelist
00:22:42 [jocool]
thanks !!!!
00:23:25 [jocool]
next one : Can't locate Moose.pm
00:24:02 [cloq]
you can easily google that yourself, also, did you notice what this channel is about?
00:24:29 [jocool]
thanks a lot, i'm going to search more on google
00:24:37 [jocool]
sorry for disturbing
00:24:40 [jocool]
i'm out ;)
00:27:17 [nikki]
or he could read the readme file...
00:28:18 [nikki]
'cause mb has a lot of perl dependencies. he'll be there all night doing them one by one
00:28:19 [cloq]
may the time he's going to waste now be a punishment for ignoring it
00:28:22 [nikki]
haha
00:28:26 [nikki]
good point
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00:44:27 [aeontech]
hey all
00:44:30 [aeontech]
just wondering
00:44:44 [aeontech]
any chance of getting BPM field into the db? :)
00:45:01 [aeontech]
dj's among us would find it immensely useful
00:46:26 [aeontech]
i brought it up before but I don't think that discussion ever resolved into anything :)
00:46:35 [aeontech]
unless i just missed it
00:49:49 [nikki]
who was the hungarian speaker in here? kovacsur?
00:50:03 [kovacsur]
* kovacsur raises his hand
00:50:26 [nikki]
ah :)
00:51:08 [nikki]
does something like "3 days" change if you add "ago" to it?
00:51:24 [nikki]
(5 hours, 10 years, etc)
00:51:54 [nikki]
I know it does in german and it seems it does in czech/slovak too
00:52:04 [nikki]
(I would ask luks about that but he's probably not awake)
00:52:22 [kovacsur]
yes, it does, in a way rather confusing to those not used to agglutinative languages
00:52:28 [kepstin]
hmm, right, that 'x years ago' in the artist information in the side bar isn't set up properly for translation right now.
00:52:41 [kepstin]
it literally just adds the static untranslated string 'ago' at the end :/
00:53:08 [nikki]
kepstin: exactly :) and I had a gut feeling that "{age} ago" wouldn't work... spent ages thinking about it, checking out obscure languages and then was like "oh duh, german breaks it"
00:53:33 [nikki]
we do have one case where we try to use "{age} ago", that'll need fixing too
00:54:07 [kepstin]
probably best to have separate translated strings for "# year ago" "# years ago" "# day ago" "# days ago" etc.
00:54:09 [nikki]
kovacsur: do you have an example? :)
00:54:32 [kovacsur]
3 days: 3 nap; 3 days ago: 3 napja
00:54:44 [kovacsur]
2 minutes: 2 perc; 2 minutes ago: 2 perce
00:54:55 [nikki]
huh, interesting
00:54:56 [nikki]
thanks!
00:56:00 [kovacsur]
or "3 nappal ezelőtt", "2 perccel ezelőtt", but the shorter version is probably more natural
00:58:40 [nikki]
* nikki makes a jira ticket for it so she can continue looking for the easier currently untranslatable things to solve
01:00:49 [aeontech]
russian has various forms of past durations as well
01:02:07 [nikki]
oh?
01:02:42 [nikki]
google translate didn't give me anything interesting for slavic language other than czech/slovak, which seemed a bit surprising
01:02:55 [nikki]
* nikki is used to slavic languages throwing lots of spanners into the works
01:03:05 [aeontech]
1 year - 1 god, 2 years – 2 goda, 5+ years - 5 let.
01:03:18 [nikki]
oh, we can already do that
01:03:28 [aeontech]
ok, not too bad then
01:03:43 [nikki]
or we should already be able to do that, I haven't actually tested whether it works
01:04:17 [xplt]
aeontech: I thought, it is about plural forms, not past durations
01:04:21 [aeontech]
ah right, you were talking about whether they change if you add 'ago' to it… not that i can think of, not really.
01:04:36 [aeontech]
xplt: yeah you're right, its not specific to past tense
01:04:44 [aeontech]
nevermind :)
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02:02:30 [kepstin]
* kepstin adds another vocaloid PV to musicbrainz... http://musicbrainz.org/recording/0bc19898-0bbd-489c-9f3b-0fa63502b417
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02:03:27 [kepstin]
adding vocaloids as artists always seemed a bit weird, but since people include them in artist credits... http://musicbrainz.org/artist/f39fc075-12ae-4dd8-ada6-e57aca4b78e7
02:04:15 [kepstin]
6 days old, and she's all over the nicovideo.jp vocaloid music charts ;)
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02:16:10 [kovacsur]
I wouldn't add vocaloids as artists just as I wouldn't add EWQL Symphonic Choirs or a random TR-909 as one, but that's just me.
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02:36:05 [VxJasonxV]
where is reotab when I need to unleash surprise on him
02:36:05 [kepstin]
right - can anyone name a few video sharing sites that they think musicians might publish on?
02:36:07 [VxJasonxV]
probably sleeping
02:36:07 [VxJasonxV]
BAH!
02:36:11 [VxJasonxV]
kepstin, youtube, vimeo
02:36:13 [kepstin]
other than youtube, nicovideo, vimeo
02:36:27 [VxJasonxV]
does the break do that kind of thing?
02:36:27 [kepstin]
(I already have those ;)
02:36:32 [VxJasonxV]
dailymotion is just an aggregator, right?
02:36:47 [kepstin]
I think so, yeah
02:37:02 [kepstin]
hmm. they use their own player.
02:37:21 [kepstin]
do artists or labels have video channels on dailymotion tho?
02:37:45 [kepstin]
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/emi_music - why, yes they do.
02:37:56 [VxJasonxV]
needs more emijp_music
02:42:31 [VxJasonxV]
ummmmmmmmmmmmm
02:42:34 [VxJasonxV]
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
02:42:42 [kepstin]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Kepstin/Video_Channel_Relationship_Type - I could probably put that up for RFC as it is, I think.
02:42:58 [kepstin]
(it would replace the current 'has an official youtube channel' AR.
02:43:01 [kepstin]
)
02:43:21 [VxJasonxV]
HNNNNNNNGGGGGGHHHHHH
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* kepstin sends RFC.
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moo
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08:21:27 [VxJasonxV]
reotab! booo
08:21:45 [VxJasonxV]
hmm, what was I going to surprise reotab with. I've already forgotten :(
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08:35:44 [VxJasonxV]
reotab!
08:36:21 [VxJasonxV]
http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2012/2012-02/2012-02-02.html#T02-36-05-110162
08:36:26 [VxJasonxV]
http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2012/2012-02/2012-02-02.html#T08-21-27-718577
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VxJasonxV, back!
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11:31:07 [jacobbrett]
Just putting this out there...any thoughts? http://musicbrainz.org/edit/16046400
11:32:44 [nikki]
jacobbrett: I don't get it... the urls all contain the spelling he changed it to
11:33:33 [kovacsur]
and it's in English, so why should we use the French spelling?
11:33:41 [nikki]
or rather, I don't get your point, the edit seems fine to me
11:33:42 [jacobbrett]
Ah, sorry...on the album cover it's spelt Laquer...those are images of a single/s
11:34:12 [nikki]
ah
11:34:24 [reosarevok]
jesus2099, when you see this check the style list :)
11:34:33 [nikki]
that just seems like a typo/spelling mistake to me then, given that the single uses the normal spelling
11:34:38 [kovacsur]
I'd assume the spelling on the single has received more attention and the one on the album cover is a typo
11:34:47 [jacobbrett]
Perhaps.
11:38:53 [nikki]
* nikki finds http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/antipop/id433684641
11:43:04 [jacobbrett]
Good enough for me!
11:43:35 [reosarevok]
heh
11:43:41 [reosarevok]
and that's why numbering RFCs suck
11:43:47 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok looks at the ml
11:44:36 [jacobbrett]
reosarevok: Why not have them numbered _and_ give them a good description/nickname in the title?
11:44:43 [reosarevok]
jacobbrett, we do
11:44:50 [reosarevok]
The thing is that two people used the same
11:44:54 [jacobbrett]
Ah
11:45:09 [reosarevok]
Because it's very easy to forget updating the number in the wiki
11:45:20 [jacobbrett]
Thought you were implying you'd prefer using one/two word nicknames
11:46:04 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok is not sure what he'd prefer
11:46:22 [reosarevok]
Numbers being computer-assigned when they're created, maybe
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11:55:27 [nikki]
wtf is wrong with this connection
11:55:46 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok would say it's its reliability :p
11:56:25 [nikki]
it's normally fine
11:56:47 [nikki]
and it's not like I actually get disconnected for more than a second
11:57:10 [nikki]
so it's weird :/
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grr
12:10:20 [nikki]
* nikki tries restarting the router
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12:15:01 [kerouac_]
Could this edit get some love? http://musicbrainz.org/release/66a80f81-cbc1-491b-99ab-823dfa0bf0e5/open_edits :D
12:20:56 [SultS]
and perhaps I could get some votes on http://musicbrainz.org/edit/16452330 so I could merge?
12:27:28 [SultS]
thanks, reosarevok :)
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14:08:25 [Sekhmetouserapis]
hi everyone
14:09:56 [hrglgrmpf]
hi Sekhmetouserapis
14:10:21 [Sekhmetouserapis]
which attribute do you use for a jazz singer who does backing vocals: choir or background ?
14:11:17 [reosarevok]
background
14:11:20 [reosarevok]
Choir is for choirs
14:11:29 [reosarevok]
Like, groups of people who sing in a choir
14:12:34 [Sekhmetouserapis]
ok, I thought that maybe background was used for "non relevant" singing
14:13:55 [hrglgrmpf]
reosarevok: really?
14:14:07 [reosarevok]
Well, that's the use I've always seen
14:14:11 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok goes read the rel
14:14:20 [hrglgrmpf]
I think I've used "choir" whenever the liners said "choir" (or "Chor" in German), even for single persons...
14:14:27 [hrglgrmpf]
(without thinking too much)
14:15:19 [reosarevok]
"While choirs and choruses will use the vocal version of this relationship type, orchestras should be instead credited using the Orchestra Relationship Type."
14:15:35 [reosarevok]
But that's all the docs we have
14:15:49 [reosarevok]
So, nowhere does it say *not* to use it for other things, admittedly
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14:31:33 [hrglgrmpf]
the BBC review cleanup participation could be better :-)
14:37:09 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok is adding / fixing EE stuff
14:37:13 [reosarevok]
Can't do everything! :)
14:37:31 [reosarevok]
In any case, we don't need to find them all, nor now
14:38:06 [reosarevok]
The most we find, the better, but still :)
14:38:18 [hrglgrmpf]
yes... I already found one thats not in MB
14:38:33 [hrglgrmpf]
have you given BBC the URL?
14:39:03 [reosarevok]
enjayhch, http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Community_Project/BBC_Review_Cleanup
14:39:05 [reosarevok]
I have now :p
14:39:14 [reosarevok]
I'll mail anyway when it's a bit more full :)
14:43:05 [hrglgrmpf]
yes :-)
14:43:32 [hrglgrmpf]
I guess in 14 days (after all the bot edits have been voted on) the list of wrongly linked releases will be bigger
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voiceinsideyou: ping
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15:35:22 [reosarevok]
Anyone who knows anything about "Ryan Adams & The Cardinals" can tell me if there's any reason to split?
15:35:43 [reosarevok]
http://musicbrainz.org/edit/16454219 seeing the amount of stuff in their Discogs page, seems quite debatable
15:37:07 [reosarevok]
On the other hand, seeing that they apparently just took a different singer and kept on singing, it might make sense
15:37:10 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok doesn't know
15:42:45 [reosarevok]
kepstin-laptop, nikki: http://musicbrainz.org/edit/16451239 any opinions on whether this belongs as a performance name, an artist credit or what?
15:44:10 [hrglgrmpf]
reosarevok: can't help :-(
15:44:26 [reosarevok]
Maybe I should post to the users list
15:46:34 [reosarevok]
Actually, nevermind
15:46:45 [reosarevok]
It's not hard to fix now if people think it doesn't matter
15:52:16 [reosarevok]
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0015DQ1JA/ AWESOME
16:08:34 [reosarevok]
SultS, lol http://musicbrainz.org/edit/16429549
16:08:42 [reosarevok]
How can you still have the will to reply? :p
16:09:58 [reosarevok]
Anyone knows if 「S」will be turned into something ASCII with the ASCII punctuation thingy in Picard btw?
16:10:33 [SultS]
reosarevok: I guess I was in a chatty mood :P
16:10:47 [SultS]
and I have no idea how it will be in picard
16:10:59 [nikki]
it wouldn't, but if it were, it would be turned into quotes
16:11:04 [nikki]
since that's what they are :P
16:11:37 [reosarevok]
nikki, sure
16:11:48 [reosarevok]
What I meant is more "is there any point on keeping a pseudo because of them"
16:11:52 [nikki]
* nikki would say no
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16:13:16 [nikki]
it really would be like making pseudo-releases for ascii quotes because you don't like unicode ones
16:21:17 [SultS]
that’s how it looked to me
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16:44:11 [hawke_]
God I hate 'track names start with a number'
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16:49:25 [warp]
then don't check it? :)
16:51:54 [hawke_]
warp: It’s just that it’s backwards: You’re supposed to check it if they don’t start with a number, and not check it if they do.
16:51:58 [voiceinsideyou]
hrglgrmpf: pong? :)
16:52:19 [hawke_]
warp: And yes, there’s a bug about it and I’m just kvetching.
16:53:22 [reosarevok]
hawke_, no?
16:53:40 [reosarevok]
Well, ok, very technically yes :p
16:53:46 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok forgot hawke_ is hawke_
16:54:19 [hawke_]
reosarevok: Well, it’d be one thing if I wasn’t actually confused by it. :-p
16:54:31 [hrglgrmpf]
voiceinsideyou: hmm, what is with your picard pull request?
16:54:50 [hrglgrmpf]
voiceinsideyou: I skipped through it, the changes don't seem to be too intrusive
16:54:58 [hawke_]
But when I type stuff in and hit 'parse tracks' and nothing happens…it’s not exactly obvious that the problem is that the checkbox is on
16:55:03 [hrglgrmpf]
I haven't tested it thoroughly though...
16:55:24 [hrglgrmpf]
does luks want a second opinion or why isn't he merging it :-)?
16:55:48 [reosarevok]
kepstin-laptop, 359? :p
16:56:54 [warp]
hawke_: ah, I now see how you can parse that differently, yes.
16:57:32 [voiceinsideyou]
hrglgrmpf: no they're not - just interested in any feedback- useful vs. not useful - change this here, change this there :)
16:57:56 [hawke_]
warp: It’s probably a simple wording change like 'track listing includes track numbers'
16:58:32 [hawke_]
Or…I dunno if there’s some way to give a clue as to the problem when 'parse tracks' does nothing
16:59:46 [voiceinsideyou]
hrglgrmpf: i think just busy/no time/harder than average pull req. talked to him about it earlier on my %writer% pull request though. More opinions are always good in any case.
16:59:56 [nikki]
it'd make more sense to just improve the parsing so it can detect whether there are track numbers or not
16:59:59 [SultS]
perhaps now it is a good time to ask 2 more votes for http://musicbrainz.org/edit/16452330 so I can merge :)
17:00:41 [hawke_]
nikki: Seems like it’d be a generally good thing to give a warning any time the track parse doesn’t see any tracks at all.
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17:07:46 [kepstin-laptop]
reosarevok: well, the persone who took 358 neglected to update the next available number on the proposals page (or even add their proposal at all, for that matter...)
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17:07:58 [reosarevok]
kepstin-laptop, I meant more about it being 348 :p
17:08:05 [kepstin-laptop]
* kepstin-laptop looks again
17:08:14 [kepstin-laptop]
don't tell me I got it wrong again...
17:08:20 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok won't
17:09:20 [reosarevok]
kepstin-laptop, mind being the test case for our new and improved way of doing this?
17:09:33 [reosarevok]
If not, add a ticket to Jira - STYLE for it first :p
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17:09:57 [mat_]
Hum, before I add any more, any comments/hints on that release http://musicbrainz.org/release/59235e57-ef5b-479d-8290-b4a8e7b020cb I just added ?
17:10:00 [reosarevok]
nikki, can you add "in RFC" and "in RFV" as statuses?
17:10:43 [reosarevok]
mat_, guess case ;)
17:10:50 [reosarevok]
(At should be at)
17:10:54 [reosarevok]
But all in all, it looks OK
17:11:12 [reosarevok]
Except for the ugly title but I guess we have to blame the artist / iTunes for that one :(
17:11:28 [mat_]
oh, I thought I clicked the guess case button
17:11:31 [reosarevok]
Why Last Gang though?
17:11:37 [reosarevok]
(and not Matador)
17:11:43 [SultS]
shouldn’t the titles contain (live)?
17:11:58 [reosarevok]
SultS, what for? It's a live release
17:12:11 [SultS]
I wasn’t sure myself :)
17:12:23 [reosarevok]
iTunes adds it, but I think it's mostly for their list of songs for the artist being more clear
17:12:29 [reosarevok]
We have recording comments for that
17:12:51 [SultS]
true
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17:14:18 [SultS]
mat_, where does the label come from?
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17:14:52 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok finds the concert date and adds the comments
17:16:33 [kepstin-laptop]
... gmail is down?
17:16:37 [kepstin-laptop]
weird.
17:16:49 [reosarevok]
Works for me
17:16:51 [SultS]
works for me
17:16:51 [kepstin-laptop]
* kepstin-laptop can't send his second rfc number fixup mail now.
17:16:57 [hawke_]
works for me.
17:17:01 [mat_]
(the track parser is a blessing)
17:17:12 [kepstin-laptop]
I get timeouts on their website and smtp/imap servers :/
17:17:25 [reosarevok]
mat_, quick poll! Do you know there was a track parser in the old MusicBrainz?
17:17:25 [kepstin-laptop]
maybe just one datacenter is down or something :(
17:17:48 [reosarevok]
(it was so well hidden, most people either never found out or took ages to do so)
17:17:52 [reosarevok]
(I took years)
17:18:16 [mat_]
reosarevok, hum, there was ? I added like the whole beethoven complete recordings track by track !
17:18:30 [mat_]
(or was it bach)
17:18:38 [reosarevok]
I added like half the Spanish rap scene track by track
17:18:41 [reosarevok]
I know the feeling
17:18:44 [reosarevok]
But yes
17:18:56 [reosarevok]
It was hidden somewhere in a menu at the top
17:19:00 [reosarevok]
When adding a release
17:20:37 [VxJasonxV]
hi reotab
17:21:04 [reosarevok]
Hi!
17:21:11 [reosarevok]
What did you want before? :)
17:25:04 [VxJasonxV]
I don't remember!
17:25:12 [VxJasonxV]
I added links and nothing much more to my parsers page.
17:25:16 [VxJasonxV]
I Want to work on that more tonight.
17:26:36 [reosarevok]
Great :)
17:26:50 [reosarevok]
There's now a working version of the Discogs importer for Opera and Chrome :D
17:27:26 [reosarevok]
(it's quite a hack, but hey, at least it works)
17:27:54 [nikki]
the opera change was not much of a hack, the chrome changes were very hacky :P
17:34:29 [hrglgrmpf]
voiceinsideyou: sorry, was afk
17:34:53 [hrglgrmpf]
vinci: ok, I will merge the request into my normal build and test it for a while, so I can give feedback :-)
17:35:11 [hrglgrmpf]
s/vince/voiceinsideyou/
17:35:57 [hrglgrmpf]
voiceinsideyou: the "; " split is a hack, but I don't have other ideas how to do it cleanly...
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18:04:04 [hawke_]
wtf? http://acoustid.org/track/10253421
18:04:46 [hawke_]
Quite the variety of recordings there
18:05:47 [mat_]
hum, I have this recording, which is a cover, but there's no "work" to cover, only other recordings
18:06:36 [reosarevok]
Add a work! :)
18:06:44 [reosarevok]
(unless I'm understanding it wrong)
18:07:37 [mat_]
hum, well, yeah, there's a way to, like hum, spawn a work from the first recording ?
18:07:53 [reosarevok]
Not yet :(
18:08:03 [reosarevok]
That's the part of the UI which is still broken
18:08:09 [reosarevok]
Well, broken, not done
18:08:13 [reosarevok]
But you can just add a work
18:08:14 [hawke_]
“missing” ;-)
18:08:20 [reosarevok]
And relate it to both recordings
18:12:54 [mat_]
done :-)
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18:50:21 [jesus2099]
reosarevok: the vietnamese RFC ? let me see :)
18:50:53 [jesus2099]
hey great ! I’ll do that tomorrow (two examples) !
18:50:59 [jesus2099]
see you and thanks :)
18:52:02 [reosarevok]
np ;)
18:53:55 [reosarevok]
hrglgrmpf, I'm adding some of the lacking classical stuff from the list
18:54:03 [reosarevok]
Hope you're happy, breaking my Estonian combo :p
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19:15:16 [hrglgrmpf]
reosarevok: :-)
19:15:46 [hrglgrmpf]
* hrglgrmpf is happy
19:16:21 [reosarevok]
heh
19:16:33 [reosarevok]
Just found one where their cover and their review don't match
19:16:47 [hrglgrmpf]
hehe
19:17:01 [hrglgrmpf]
new paragraph in the wiki :-)
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19:39:23 [reosarevok]
hrglgrmpf, there, a few added
19:39:30 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok goes do something else for a while
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19:44:41 [ruaok]
quick question: pretty lights released a new single track.
19:44:57 [ruaok]
the metadata for the release of the track says: "Pretty Lights Singles"
19:45:14 [ruaok]
do we respect that or add them to non-album tracks?
19:45:42 [reosarevok]
Is it in iTunes or something?
19:45:50 [kovacsur]
metadata filled out by artists tends to include all sorts of nonsense, I say ignore it
19:45:51 [reosarevok]
Or is it just a random leak
19:45:54 [reosarevok]
?
19:46:08 [ruaok]
http://www.prettylightsmusic.com/#/downloads
19:46:15 [ruaok]
official download from the artist's web page.
19:46:24 [reosarevok]
Argh, flash :p
19:46:35 [reosarevok]
I'd go with digital single
19:46:40 [ruaok]
ok.
19:47:08 [reosarevok]
And you can then link http://soundcloud.com/prettylights/we-must-go-on to the recording :p
19:47:18 [reosarevok]
(and the URL to the band, if it's not there)
19:47:50 [ruaok]
all the links (except the release are there)
19:48:24 [reosarevok]
Including the streaming link for the recording? Cool then
19:49:02 [ruaok]
how does one add a digital single?
19:49:04 [ruaok]
http://musicbrainz.org/recording/create?artist=3a07764c-7cc5-42e9-8205-3de7532f4771 ?
19:49:41 [CatCat]
rawr
19:49:44 [CatCat]
hi
19:49:50 [ruaok]
hi CatCat
19:51:11 [reosarevok]
ruaok, like a normal single
19:51:12 [kovacsur]
ruaok, that's for adding a standalone recording. You would add a digital single the same way you add a physical single (through http://musicbrainz.org/release/add?artist=3a07764c-7cc5-42e9-8205-3de7532f4771 )
19:51:23 [ruaok]
k
19:51:25 [reosarevok]
Packaging:None, Format:Digital Media
19:52:15 [kovacsur]
I thought your original question was whether you should use "Pretty Lights Singles" as the title of the release
19:52:21 [kovacsur]
which I don't think you should
19:53:09 [ruaok]
well, I was seeking general guidance. :)
19:53:17 [ruaok]
thanks for providing that. :)
19:53:20 [reosarevok]
Heh
19:53:35 [reosarevok]
Maybe ruaok should read the http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Beginners_Guide and the how-tos and tell us what's lacking :p
19:54:57 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok keeps fighting wikipedia redirects
19:55:17 [reosarevok]
hrglgrmpf, you should make your bot fix those
19:56:07 [reosarevok]
I'm sure from the 4k+, at least half can be found to be the same by bot
19:56:41 [hrglgrmpf]
reosarevok: doesn't nikkis bot do that/
19:56:42 [hrglgrmpf]
?
19:56:48 [reosarevok]
No
19:56:50 [hrglgrmpf]
I guess only for HTTP redirects...
19:57:08 [hrglgrmpf]
will think about it :-)
19:57:12 [reosarevok]
Yeah
19:57:16 [reosarevok]
I mean http://mb.lmfao.org.uk/reports/urlstatus?status=913
19:58:15 [hrglgrmpf]
too many things to do for the bot... my connection can't keep up with it :-)
19:58:24 [reosarevok]
Problem is it sometimes redirects to the band they are members of / the band who released the album / the album the track is from / etc.
19:58:46 [ruaok]
reosarevok: how does one deal with shittyf flash sites for downloads?
19:58:51 [hrglgrmpf]
yes, I don't know if it is so good to do it by the bot then...
19:58:57 [reosarevok]
So it should do it VERY safely. If in any kind of doubt, skip - I've fixed like 1k manually, can do more
19:59:02 [ruaok]
I can link to the file, but not the download page.
19:59:12 [reosarevok]
But it should be able to check some the same way it does to add new ones
19:59:25 [reosarevok]
(the same way luks' and murdos' do, rather)
19:59:44 [reosarevok]
(of course, if luks or murdos want to do it, feel free! :) )
20:00:00 [reosarevok]
ruaok, the recommended course of action is cursing at the band
20:00:07 [ruaok]
done
20:00:18 [reosarevok]
Then, who knows :p
20:00:29 [reosarevok]
I guess the file directly beats the homepage
20:00:35 [reosarevok]
But neither are perfect
20:01:39 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok wonders how many URL descriptions are there that say "Wikipedia page" or "Page (in/on) Wikipedia"
20:01:52 [reosarevok]
Can someone find out, and then remove them all :p
20:01:53 [reosarevok]
?
20:21:30 [hrglgrmpf]
I think thats nikkis main job :-)
20:22:36 [hrglgrmpf]
ruaok: file tags have - with large distance - the least importance
20:23:01 [ruaok]
hrglgrmpf: ok. good to know.
20:23:10 [hrglgrmpf]
anything beats them... they are just not a good source at all
20:23:46 [reosarevok]
Well, sometimes they can be useful
20:23:47 [hrglgrmpf]
it's like the opposite from physical releases... there the back cover is the primary source, for digital releases it's the worst source :-(
20:23:50 [reosarevok]
But yeah, not too much
20:24:10 [hrglgrmpf]
it's amusing in discogs
20:24:34 [hrglgrmpf]
their *only enter information from your release* policy is giving funny results
20:24:59 [hrglgrmpf]
I've really seen a release there with crap as track titles, *because its like that in the release*
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20:54:17 [hawke_]
Hmm…Musicbrainz really doesn’t handle largish digital releases very well. :-/
20:54:25 [hawke_]
e.g. http://www.gardnermuseum.org/music/listen/music_library
20:54:42 [hawke_]
Where there is no 'album' per se, but a lot of tracks in some kind of collection
20:57:20 [gioele]
hawke_: it would be hard to define that as a release, it is more a playlist
20:57:43 [hawke_]
gioele: There’s not really so much difference between that and an album though, really.
20:57:57 [kepstin-laptop]
well, presumably not all of those tracks were released at the same time
20:58:00 [hawke_]
Especially with modern stuff
20:58:02 [kepstin-laptop]
that would be the main difference
20:58:41 [gioele]
hawke_: I see your point, but musicbrainz is now focused on aggregated, identifiable releases
20:58:57 [gioele]
s/now/as of now/
20:59:02 [hawke_]
gioele: I know that — like I said, it doesn’t handle it well. :-)
20:59:25 [kepstin-laptop]
it would be nice to have support for continuous releases, like podcasts, etc; that's somewhat similar.
20:59:33 [gioele]
hawke_: I'd say it does not handle at all and any attempt to add one such library would probably voted down
20:59:45 [gioele]
kepstin-laptop: yes, I would like to have podcasts as well
20:59:54 [hawke_]
I’m thinking something similar to what we have now as collections
21:00:23 [hawke_]
easier to add arbitrary recordings to than a release, no particular order…
21:00:28 [hawke_]
things like that
21:00:33 [kepstin-laptop]
well, I've wanted publicly curated collections for a while, even for just releases
21:00:41 [kepstin-laptop]
so we could e.g. group releases in a series...
21:01:34 [kepstin-laptop]
but yeah, a recording collection would fit that gardner museum list fairly well.
21:01:47 [kepstin-laptop]
since that's what it is, really :)
21:18:59 [hawke_]
Right, exactly. :-)
21:19:31 [hawke_]
…And it shouldn’t be *functionally* any different from an album, in MB…
21:19:51 [hawke_]
it’s not really any different than a compilation.
21:20:06 [hawke_]
Only difference from a regular release is the lack of a cat no. and the fact that it doesn’t have a release date
21:30:56 [hawke_]
Hmm, I think we need recording/CC-license URL relationships…
21:34:18 [hawke_]
In fact, I would think we already should have had them since we had the old CC-license ARs for recordings…
21:49:59 [reosarevok]
hawke_, I know there was an RFC for it
21:50:02 [nikki]
hrglgrmpf: I only do redirects where www is added/removed, a slash at the end is added/removed, where the case changes and ones for facebook
21:50:03 [reosarevok]
hrglgrmpf, what happened to that?
21:50:10 [hawke_]
reosarevok: Was there?
21:50:21 [hawke_]
reosarevok: I only remember the release/CC-license RGC
21:50:23 [hawke_]
*RFC
21:51:17 [nikki]
hrglgrmpf: and occasionally I go crazy trying to do something about the damn descriptions, then shortly afterwards I give up because it's futile :P
21:52:15 [reosarevok]
nikki, just removing all "Wikipedia page" ones would be nice
21:52:31 [reosarevok]
At least it would avoid my facepalming while cleaning up redirects
21:52:41 [reosarevok]
hawke_, RFC-345
21:53:19 [hawke_]
Ah, indeed.
21:53:28 [hawke_]
Never went to RFV though, eh?
21:53:34 [reosarevok]
Apparently
21:53:43 [reosarevok]
that's why I'm wondering
21:53:47 [reosarevok]
It seems it just died there
21:53:57 [reosarevok]
So maybe hrglgrmpf had some RL issues or just forgot
21:54:01 [reosarevok]
Or maybe he feels it's blocked
21:54:07 [gioele]
are there already ticket requests for locking (increasing the data quality) of artist names?
21:54:16 [reosarevok]
Artist names?
21:54:20 [reosarevok]
Not AFAIK
21:59:42 [gioele]
there is now http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4272 :P
21:59:59 [reosarevok]
Do you want to lock it, or increase the data quality?
22:00:35 [reosarevok]
Meaning, is it because of vandalism and ignorance, or because the stuff is actually complete?
22:00:52 [reosarevok]
If it's to lock it, please don't call it quality :)
22:01:02 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok is fighting enough to separate the two concepts
22:01:18 [reosarevok]
Also, some examples with links to edits would help your case ;)
22:02:18 [gioele]
reosarevok: the artist name has been spelled so perfectly that it is not possible to improve it further with strange capitalizations :)
22:02:46 [gioele]
reosarevok: feel free to reword the ticket (if possible in jira)
22:03:42 [reosarevok]
gioele: I don't have the examples :)
22:04:02 [gioele]
reosarevok: they are coming (browsing through my subscription)
22:04:22 [reosarevok]
(also, how would this allow you to stop arguing? or would you just ignore the edits and hope they fail on expiration?)
22:04:28 [gioele]
reosarevok: but if you understand what I mean, a second description of the problem would make it better
22:05:00 [reosarevok]
I mean, it would help inasmuch as you'd be able to point to the locking and say "see? this is here for something"
22:05:10 [reosarevok]
But that still means arguing
22:05:17 [gioele]
reosarevok: I would argue anyway, but I'd like to have the second option if I am away and I do no notice the edit
22:09:41 [kepstin-laptop]
huh. one of the doujin touhou music groups I follow released an album of all original music recently... and apparently published it on itunes.
22:10:26 [reosarevok]
Is that strange?
22:10:34 [kepstin-laptop]
i dunno. I guess so.
22:10:47 [kepstin-laptop]
they're certainly making a big deal out of it.
22:11:01 [kepstin-laptop]
* kepstin-laptop doesn't actually have itunes installed, and can't find the actual itunes release page
22:11:24 [kepstin-laptop]
the link they published was a search link that appears to only work if you have itunes :/
22:11:41 [reosarevok]
what's the name?
22:11:47 [reosarevok]
Is it all in JP?
22:11:50 [kepstin-laptop]
http://e-ns.net/discography/ens0017.html
22:12:16 [kepstin-laptop]
artist name 'EastNewSound', release 'UncannyInstinct' or maybe 'Uncanny Instinct'
22:12:29 [kepstin-laptop]
the banner at the top of that page with the big grey music notes is the itunes link
22:13:03 [reosarevok]
Well, it certainly seems to be in Amazon at least? http://www.amazon.co.jp/UncannyInstinct/dp/B0071VZ62S
22:13:41 [kepstin-laptop]
huh, interesting. Seeing the mp3 downloads on amazon japan is pretty rare
22:14:12 [reosarevok]
Can't find it on iTunes
22:14:18 [reosarevok]
But that should be a start
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22:14:27 [kepstin-laptop]
might be limited to JP locale only on itunes.
22:14:43 [reosarevok]
Maybe
22:14:53 [reosarevok]
They do have the option to have different release dates
22:15:03 [reosarevok]
(apart from region locking)
22:15:05 [kepstin-laptop]
but you can still see the release pages for those, even if you're not in the country
22:15:11 [kepstin-laptop]
so I dunno what's up.
22:16:04 [reosarevok]
No idea
22:16:18 [kepstin-laptop]
this link doesn't work for you? http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZSearch.woa/wa/search?term=EastNewSound
22:16:31 [kepstin-laptop]
(for me it just redirects to a 'download itunes' page)
22:17:23 [reosarevok]
Same
22:17:26 [kepstin-laptop]
* kepstin-laptop does some magic...
22:17:28 [reosarevok]
I guess you need to have iTunes :p
22:17:42 [kepstin-laptop]
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/uncannyinstinct/id497558036
22:17:42 [reosarevok]
Someone here who has the bloated thing wants to help?
22:17:50 [reosarevok]
Oh, that works too I guess :p
22:18:45 [kepstin-laptop]
the japanese store has japanese titles, of course. http://itunes.apple.com/jp/album/uncannyinstinct/id497427897
22:19:07 [reosarevok]
And a different ID
22:19:09 [reosarevok]
Curious
22:19:26 [kepstin-laptop]
well, presumably they can't have titles in different languages with the same id :)
22:19:29 [reosarevok]
Maybe
22:20:22 [kepstin-laptop]
interesting that it looks like that's actually a worldwide itunes release. I guess they figured they had no reason to limit it
22:21:10 [kepstin-laptop]
* kepstin-laptop notes that they'll almost certainly not release any of their touhou stuff on itunes or other online music stores.
22:21:56 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok googles
22:22:09 [kepstin-laptop]
googles what?
22:22:22 [reosarevok]
WTF touhou is
22:22:46 [kepstin-laptop]
a series of vertical-scrolling shooting/bullet dodging games.
22:23:50 [hrglgrmpf]
reosarevok: nobody gave the RFC a +1 :-)
22:23:52 [kepstin-laptop]
noted for being published completely independently by a person whose main reason for making them was that he wanted to make music for a game, but couldn't find any games good enough.
22:24:04 [kepstin-laptop]
so he made his own.
22:24:08 [reosarevok]
...
22:24:10 [reosarevok]
JP
22:24:25 [hrglgrmpf]
reosarevok: so it can't go into RFV... I think I still need to answer a question though
22:24:26 [kepstin-laptop]
The series was inducted into the Guinness World Records in October 2010 for being the "most prolific fan-made shooter series" - Wikipedia.
22:24:49 [hrglgrmpf]
nikki: yes, I learned it the hard way that URL cleanup must be done with great care...
22:25:02 [hrglgrmpf]
nikki: it is so easy to mess things up...
22:25:27 [reosarevok]
hrglgrmpf, I was waiting for a reply to my stuff too and forgot about it, reading it now :p
22:25:42 [kepstin-laptop]
but the creator ZUN allows pretty much any and all derivative works of the games, characters, music, etc. as long as it's released non-commercially.
22:25:49 [reosarevok]
I'll revive it, give people a couple days to say something before I +1 it
22:25:54 [kepstin-laptop]
no explicit license, but it's basically like CC-BY-NC
22:26:39 [kepstin-laptop]
and so there are entire conventions of fan-created derivative works of a fan-created game series.
22:27:08 [reosarevok]
heh
22:32:30 [kepstin-laptop]
Anyways, this is the first time I've seen a legitimate worldwide digital release by a japanese doujin group. So that's what makes it weird.
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22:48:30 [kepstin-laptop]
man, they can't make up their minds on whether 'Uncanny Instinct' or 'UncannyInstinct' is correct.
22:48:47 [kepstin-laptop]
looks like they're using 'UncannyInstinct' more often on newer text tho.
22:48:57 [kepstin-laptop]
* kepstin-laptop will have to update the musicbrainz release then.
22:49:31 [kepstin-laptop]
er, releases, there's 3 now: http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/1676d2c8-fa87-4f27-9324-5830ed3033fb
22:50:15 [reosarevok]
Hmm
22:50:28 [reosarevok]
Why is the CD no label?
22:50:34 [kepstin-laptop]
refresh.
22:50:54 [kepstin-laptop]
because I hadn't updated the label on it yet.
22:51:09 [reosarevok]
Ok
22:51:36 [kepstin-laptop]
would be nice if we could handle one entity being both an artist and a label better :/
22:51:49 [reosarevok]
I would assume the cat# is the same for digital, seeing http://e-ns.net/discography/ens0017.html
22:52:24 [kepstin-laptop]
well, that page talks mostly about the earlier cd release, which has that cat no. printed on it
22:52:33 [kepstin-laptop]
as for the digital, maybe? I dunno :/
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23:48:53 [v6lur]
CatCat, er du våken? kan du si meg, hvordan er "string" ( = en viss tegnerekke, f.eks. en linje i oversettelse-filer) på norsk?
23:49:52 [nikki]
tegnerekke?
23:50:07 [v6lur]
"sequence of characters" or smth
23:50:14 [nikki]
ah
23:50:25 [v6lur]
i'm not sure it was the correct word but i tried anyway :P
23:50:51 [nikki]
and oversettelse-filer? :P
23:51:08 [v6lur]
translation files
23:51:16 [nikki]
oh, I should have got that
23:54:45 [reosarevok]
nikki, can you make me a nice static list of all the artists set to country:EE? Link + name would be cool
23:54:55 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok is tired of the list changing each time he checks it :(
23:56:03 [nikki]
if you want a static list, do a search and save the html page :P
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23:57:40 [reosarevok]
:p
23:57:56 [reosarevok]
It's still 17 pages :p