IRC log of musicbrainz on 2012-05-01
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- 00:00:03 [ianweller]
- reosarevok: what OS are you on
- 00:00:07 [reosarevok]
- Win7
- 00:00:10 [ianweller]
- ah
- 00:00:11 [ianweller]
- probably then :)
- 00:00:36 [ianweller]
- nope, not in firefox on linux :(
- 00:01:08 [reosarevok]
- :/
- 00:01:20 [reosarevok]
- Here it takes kinda long
- 00:01:27 [reosarevok]
- But it works
- 00:01:31 [ianweller]
- not in chrome either. darn
- 00:01:36 [reosarevok]
- I mean, it downloads it to tmp, of course
- 00:01:41 [ianweller]
- right
- 00:01:44 [reosarevok]
- but since I don't have to do the effort, I don't care
- 00:02:11 [ianweller]
- maybe i ought to write a script
- 00:02:19 [reosarevok]
- Probably :)
- 00:02:42 [ianweller]
- * ianweller wonders if any of this is in the web service
- 00:02:56 [reosarevok]
- I think it's all JS
- 00:03:12 [reosarevok]
- But no idea
- 00:03:21 [reosarevok]
- You should probably ask ocharles when he is around tomorrow
- 00:03:42 [reosarevok]
- Well, about the *outgoing* WS, it should be
- 00:03:58 [reosarevok]
- We even have some not-too-correct documentation for it
- 00:05:00 [ianweller]
- correct process, i presume, is to upload the cover art, then delete the URL relationship
- 00:05:06 [ianweller]
- for liveweb.archive.org stuff
- 00:05:40 [reosarevok]
- Or the other way around, but yes
- 00:05:46 [reosarevok]
- PRetty much
- 00:06:32 [reosarevok]
- oh ffs
- 00:06:33 [reosarevok]
- http://mp3.hhgroups.com/Material/Maquetas/7905/Sucios%20de%20mente%20-%20Delantera.jpg
- 00:06:48 [reosarevok]
- That's the full size cover this band uploaded for the official download
- 00:06:50 [reosarevok]
- WAY TO GO
- 00:06:52 [ianweller]
- looks legit
- 00:08:00 [reosarevok]
- Doesn't the release editor look strange? :/
- 00:08:35 [ianweller]
- looks like it lost the padding under the tabs
- 00:08:53 [reosarevok]
- Yeah
- 00:10:35 [reosarevok]
- Dunno if it's by design...
- 00:10:49 [Leftmost]
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- 00:17:37 [ianweller]
- here's a question -- if you have a release where each individual track has its own art, in addition to the main cover art, how should you handle that?
- 00:18:08 [reosarevok]
- "other" for now
- 00:18:22 [reosarevok]
- (and probably add a comment "Image for track n")
- 00:18:41 [MaskMaster]
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- 00:18:55 [reosarevok]
- If you want "track image" added, you can propose it in the style list... I know at least warp wants that
- 00:19:14 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok finishes moving the web.archive stuff he knows he added
- 00:20:03 [reosarevok]
- Back to the stuff in my disc!
- 00:23:03 [_5moufl]
- thx nikki
- 00:25:21 [hawke_1]
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- 00:27:43 [reosarevok]
- ffs
- 00:27:48 [reosarevok]
- release search doesn't show format?
- 00:27:53 [reosarevok]
- useful...
- 00:30:32 [CallerNo6]
- * CallerNo6 is mildly surprised to find that his cheap ten year old canon scanner still works :-)
- 00:32:22 [ianweller]
- my scanner is plugged into a headless server (since it's a print server too)
- 00:32:26 [ianweller]
- so i have to figure out something there
- 00:38:59 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok adds his first Medium image... a cassette
- 00:39:11 [reosarevok]
- http://musicbrainz.org/release/c4e49bd9-692b-4ef0-9b82-93797ac62cc0/cover-art :)
- 00:40:19 [ruaok]
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- 00:40:53 [reosarevok]
- Hi again ruaok!
- 00:40:56 [reosarevok]
- How many images? :D
- 00:41:07 [ruaok]
- dunno. not logged in right now.
- 00:44:36 [jacobbrett]
- Once cover art has been uploaded, can we remove the "Has cover art" URL?
- 00:45:45 [reosarevok]
- jacobbrett: if it's an archive.org url, sure
- 00:45:51 [reosarevok]
- If not... dunno, maybe?
- 00:46:00 [igndenok]
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- 00:47:34 [jacobbrett]
- reosarevok: Wouldn't an editor likely be re-hosting the old URL image with the new system, no matter the source? (On another note, must I manually download then re-upload images already archived by the Wayback Machine?)
- 00:48:16 [reosarevok]
- jacobbrett: sure, but I was thinking of the (admittedly unlikely) possibility of us getting some DMCA claim but still being able to get the cover from the other site
- 00:48:28 [reosarevok]
- And... dunno
- 00:48:32 [kurtjx]
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- 00:48:42 [reosarevok]
- I've just copied the url, pasted it in the "upload" thing and it works
- 00:48:47 [kurtjx_]
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- 00:48:53 [reosarevok]
- Although maybe someone will auto-import all those
- 00:49:19 [ianweller]
- maybe i'll actually write a script and not just talk abuot it
- 00:49:26 [ianweller]
- that seems unlikely
- 00:50:58 [reosarevok]
- COVERS
- 00:52:07 [reosarevok]
- http://musicbrainz.org/search/edits?auto_edit_filter=&order=desc&negation=0&combinator=and&conditions.0.field=type&conditions.0.operator=%3D&conditions.0.args=314&field=Please+choose+a+condition :)
- 00:52:55 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok plays some random Russian pop album he didn't even know he had
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- 00:54:17 [reosarevok]
- http://musicbrainz.org/release/c890f158-7efa-4d0c-9646-a530493ce315 to be precise
- 00:56:44 [reosarevok]
- v6lur, don't you want to mail this kassetifriik guy and ask him to upload cover art? 8)
- 01:01:28 [drsaunde1]
- hmmm.. nobody thought to add label for cover art types or am i missing something
- 01:01:53 [reosarevok]
- Label?
- 01:02:00 [drsaunde1]
- record label
- 01:02:03 [drsaunde1]
- its the only art we'll get for the first half of the 20th century
- 01:02:11 [reosarevok]
- As in, the vinyl thing?
- 01:02:17 [reosarevok]
- I'd call that "medium"
- 01:02:36 [reosarevok]
- I mean, it's not the *full* medium, but...
- 01:02:40 [drsaunde1]
- wouldn't that be a picture of the record and not just the label
- 01:03:20 [reosarevok]
- That's also a reasonable view, yeah
- 01:03:38 [reosarevok]
- The list of types is very barebones-y since it was decided by like 4 people an afternoon
- 01:03:51 [reosarevok]
- Anything else can (and should!) just be sent to style
- 01:03:56 [drsaunde1]
- i'm gonna have to use other for those, i thought that one wouldn't have been missed though considering its high usage already
- 01:04:17 [reosarevok]
- Also, best cover ever? http://musicbrainz.org/release/91e2ae47-d0e7-434d-919a-c4022dfe0526/cover-art
- 01:04:55 [reosarevok]
- drsaunde1: make sure to set a comment that makes it easy to find them if "Label" is added
- 01:05:02 [reosarevok]
- (something like "Label" :p)
- 01:05:29 [drsaunde1]
- ok will do
- 01:05:52 [drsaunde1]
- do you know if there's any plans to autoconvert exisiting archive.org links?
- 01:06:17 [reosarevok]
- I think there is no plans of the MB team writing auto-importers
- 01:06:21 [reosarevok]
- But I'm sure someone is planning to
- 01:06:27 [reosarevok]
- Including the archive.org links
- 01:06:37 [ianweller]
- so this digital album has a PDF booklet
- 01:06:38 [reosarevok]
- (just not the official team)
- 01:06:52 [ianweller]
- my plan is to rasterize each page out to a 300 DPI PNG and upload. does that seem sane?
- 01:06:58 [reosarevok]
- ianweller: tag it, save the booklet, hope we can convince the Archive to host those
- 01:07:04 [reosarevok]
- But... yeah, that works too
- 01:07:10 [reosarevok]
- Except, jpg
- 01:07:14 [ianweller]
- JPG only?
- 01:07:15 [reosarevok]
- We don't have png support yet
- 01:07:20 [ianweller]
- aww.
- 01:07:25 [reosarevok]
- (ruaok said he'd ask the Archive for it)
- 01:07:42 [drsaunde1]
- okay one more question..only front cover art is gonna be shown of the main release page?
- 01:07:44 [reosarevok]
- I suspect convincing them to host pdf booklets might be more thorny
- 01:08:03 [ianweller]
- PDFs are generally more thorny
- 01:08:08 [reosarevok]
- drsaunde1: I suggested adding an option to switch front-back
- 01:08:22 [reosarevok]
- But as you can see, the launch is pretty much barebones
- 01:08:29 [drsaunde1]
- well. back to the labels, in many cases the only artwork available
- 01:08:38 [reosarevok]
- (we didn't even fix the "click on cover" thing)
- 01:08:48 [reosarevok]
- Oh, yeah, I see what you mean
- 01:09:00 [drsaunde1]
- i'm gonna call my labels front cover so they will show..fuck it
- 01:09:02 [reosarevok]
- For now there's no way to set anything that is not front to "primary, show this there"
- 01:09:14 [reosarevok]
- I don't know if it's planned or not
- 01:09:29 [reosarevok]
- That's also an option I guess :p
- 01:09:36 [drsaunde1]
- the option is "Front"
- 01:09:36 [reosarevok]
- I mean, technically it might even be true
- 01:09:39 [drsaunde1]
- its the front label
- 01:09:51 [reosarevok]
- Since there probably wasn't anything else on the front
- 01:09:55 [reosarevok]
- So..
- 01:10:16 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok is definitely not going to reject that stuff
- 01:10:18 [drsaunde1]
- generic plain sleeve...we don't need photos of that
- 01:10:34 [reosarevok]
- Yeah, that'd be kinda silly as a front picture :D
- 01:10:46 [reosarevok]
- Front: white square
- 01:10:55 [reosarevok]
- Back: white square
- 01:13:02 [reosarevok]
- drsaunde1: remember you can use two or more types btw
- 01:13:15 [reosarevok]
- (so it might make sense to use front *and* other, or whatever)
- 01:14:03 [drsaunde1]
- oh i didn't know more than one type..and i'll keep my label comment
- 01:14:51 [drsaunde1]
- lol...just noticed that for any artwork edits the artwork shows on the edit page...now thats cool
- 01:15:15 [nikki]
- reosarevok: I kept saying that we need a way to distinguish the image used as the front image from actual fronts but it seems it went over everyone's heads :/
- 01:15:54 [MBChatLogger]
- Honey badger don't care!!
- 01:15:54 [nikki]
- and the archive seemed interested in storing absolutely anything, I guess we need to badger them into adding support
- 01:16:35 [nikki]
- ianweller: you might be interested in voting for http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4114 (gif), http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4115 (png) and http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4116 (pdf) ;)
- 01:16:50 [ianweller]
- i can't wait to have animated cover art!
- 01:17:10 [nikki]
- (and anyone else who thinks jpg only is unnecessarily restrictive ;))
- 01:17:23 [nikki]
- and add comments if you have any more examples of where those formats would be useful
- 01:17:43 [ianweller]
- * ianweller tries to remember his jira login
- 01:18:23 [ianweller]
- voted.
- 01:23:34 [voiceinsideyou]
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- 01:27:20 [ianweller]
- is there a file size limit on the cover art archive?
- 01:27:33 [reosarevok]
- 15MB IIRC
- 01:36:00 [kurtjx]
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- 01:40:51 [Lotheric]
- hello
- 01:41:40 [Lotheric]
- I'm not a native english speaker... How would you capitalize this for MusicBrainz ?
- 01:41:43 [Lotheric]
- Mom N' Pop Shop (Interlude)
- 01:41:50 [Lotheric]
- My guess is
- 01:42:00 [Lotheric]
- Mom 'n' Pop Shop (interlude)
- 01:42:14 [ruaok]
- +1
- 01:42:16 [Lotheric]
- but I'm not sure about 'n'
- 01:42:25 [Lotheric]
- is it a contraction of and
- 01:43:00 [Lotheric]
- and do I need to add an apostrophe ?
- 01:44:10 [reosarevok]
- I would definitely lowercase n
- 01:44:16 [reosarevok]
- Not sure about the apostrophe
- 01:44:58 [ruaok]
- Mom 'n Pop Shop (interlude)
- 01:45:03 [ruaok]
- I would just do one
- 01:45:22 [reosarevok]
- heh
- 01:45:31 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok sees ruaok did the opposite one the file seems to have
- 01:45:50 [ruaok]
- i think the files are rong
- 01:46:07 [nikki]
- is anyone else having trouble with pages not loading properly?
- 01:46:40 [reosarevok]
- Nope
- 01:46:49 [reosarevok]
- Seems to work here
- 01:47:12 [nikki]
- it keeps loading as far as the title and then hanging
- 01:47:19 [ruaok]
- fine here
- 01:47:20 [nikki]
- not every time...
- 01:50:15 [Lotheric]
- my pages load properly
- 01:50:51 [Lotheric]
- if you have userscripts, try to disable them
- 01:51:22 [nikki]
- it only started today, so it's presumably something in today's release :/
- 01:51:24 [reosarevok]
- Yeah, maybe some issue with your usercss?
- 01:51:33 [nikki]
- can't see how, the page never even loads
- 01:51:34 [reosarevok]
- Because I have loads of scripts and it works :/
- 01:51:47 [nikki]
- and user js isn't done until after the page loads...
- 01:52:50 [nikki]
- it's not my user scripts or user css
- 01:53:01 [nikki]
- it works fine with js off though
- 01:53:15 [nikki]
- loads instantly with js off
- 01:55:57 [reosarevok]
- Check the js console + report bug?
- 01:57:11 [nikki]
- hm. I blocked google analytics and now it loads
- 01:57:42 [ruaok]
- I think we're going to get the same backlash against google analytics as we did last time
- 01:57:44 [nikki]
- * nikki wonders why the fuck it was trying to load at all, given that she already blocked it in her /etc/hosts
- 01:59:11 [nikki]
- oh well. at least I can go back to upload covers now :P
- 01:59:33 [reosarevok]
- :D
- 02:01:24 [Lotheric]
- * Lotheric just realized there's a cover art tab now...
- 02:01:27 [Lotheric]
- :O
- 02:03:38 [reosarevok]
- :)
- 02:03:52 [ianweller]
- COVERS
- 02:05:01 [ianweller]
- oh that's fun, the sidebar says "You have no collections!", when i do
- 02:05:11 [ianweller]
- but only on the cover art tab
- 02:05:34 [nikki]
- yeah, that's been reported
- 02:05:39 [ianweller]
- ok
- 02:24:49 [nikki]
- reosarevok: oh, btw, I think we should remove image links once we've put them in our own archive. don't forget if we keep them, we have to maintain them and none of the sites we use have particularly stable links
- 02:25:11 [reosarevok]
- makes sense I guess
- 02:25:23 [nikki]
- amazon is probably the most stable - but we don't use the cover art relationship for them :D
- 02:25:47 [nikki]
- we can deal with taken down images when we get to them
- 02:25:53 [nikki]
- (hopefully never :P)
- 02:26:05 [ianweller]
- do you think CAA is actually going to get DMCAs?
- 02:26:17 [nikki]
- it's always a possibility
- 02:26:22 [Lotheric]
- is there an AR for backup vocals credit ?
- 02:26:28 [nikki]
- background vocals?
- 02:26:54 [Lotheric]
- thanks
- 02:26:59 [Lotheric]
- I guess it means that
- 02:27:18 [Lotheric]
- http://cdn.tss.uproxx.com/TSS/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/vic-mensa-straight-up-back.jpg
- 02:27:29 [Lotheric]
- cover says "backup" vocals
- 02:27:33 [Lotheric]
- track 8
- 02:31:33 [danoply]
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- 02:32:07 [reosarevok]
- Lotheric, what's that link? :p
- 02:32:11 [reosarevok]
- It's not a cover art archive link! :p
- 02:32:41 [reosarevok]
- But yeah, I'd say background
- 02:33:19 [nikki]
- haha
- 02:36:01 [Lotheric]
- I did up the cover art ;)
- 02:36:25 [Lotheric]
- http://coverartarchive.org/release/675a5a9c-1590-4dc5-9202-591e18811172//830915377.jpg
- 02:36:26 [Lotheric]
- hehe
- 02:36:37 [reosarevok]
- Much better! :D
- 02:36:42 [Lotheric]
- It was a link I got from Google that I still had in another tab
- 02:51:59 [Lotheric]
- collections cannot be filtered by country :(
- 02:55:13 [reosarevok]
- Lotheric: there's a collections GSoC this summer - if there's no ticket for that, you can add it I guess
- 02:55:41 [reosarevok]
- (what do you mean though? Filtering your collection by release/artist country? filtering a list of all collections somehow?)
- 03:01:46 [Lotheric]
- I mean clicking on the top of the column to sort
- 03:01:57 [Lotheric]
- I can sort by artist, title, date
- 03:02:07 [Lotheric]
- can't do it by catalog or country
- 03:02:36 [pronik`]
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- 03:02:39 [reosarevok]
- nikki, is there a ticket? :)
- 03:04:18 [Lotheric]
- I never created a ticket... I find the whole JIRA thing quite daunting
- 03:14:12 [kepstin-laptop]
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- 03:17:36 [Lotheric]
- Should I remove the ASIN if I uploaded a cover to the cover archive ?
- 03:17:56 [kepstin-laptop]
- why? It's still a perfectly valid link to the amazon store.
- 03:18:21 [Lotheric]
- I dunno, nikki said earlier we should remove image links..
- 03:18:26 [betoth]
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- 03:18:35 [kepstin-laptop]
- only direct image links to images on archive.org
- 03:18:54 [Lotheric]
- aah, I see
- 03:19:50 [kepstin-laptop]
- e.g. http://musicbrainz.org/edit/17464297
- 03:21:10 [reosarevok]
- kepstin-laptop: I think she meant any "has cover art at"
- 03:21:16 [reosarevok]
- (but yeah, ASIN still isn't that)
- 03:21:27 [kepstin-laptop]
- but the amazon links were always links to a store, the cover art was a side-effect (and apparently musicbrainz does make a small amount of money off the affiliate links)
- 03:22:18 [kepstin-laptop]
- hmm, yeah - the direct cover art image links in general, not just the archive.org ones.
- 03:22:44 [reosarevok]
- Of course, a good amount of those, like Jamendo and CDBaby, should probably be *edited* to "purchase" or "download" instead
- 03:23:08 [kepstin-laptop]
- huh, a hole $968.20 from the amazon associates program :)
- 03:23:15 [kepstin-laptop]
- whole*
- 03:23:18 [kepstin-laptop]
- (in 2011)
- 03:24:32 [reosarevok]
- heh, that's pretty good
- 03:24:47 [nikki]
- kepstin-laptop: as reosarevok said, I meant actual cover art links :)
- 03:25:12 [nikki]
- I bet that's a lot lower than it should be
- 03:25:26 [nikki]
- we didn't have the affiliate stuff for ages after ngs was released
- 03:25:32 [voiceinsideyou]
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- 03:29:30 [Lotheric]
- * Lotheric is going to fill the cover archive all night and won't sleep... >.<
- 03:30:19 [nikki]
- * nikki knows the feeling
- 03:30:26 [nikki]
- * nikki is dropping off as it is
- 03:42:17 [kepstin-laptop]
- hmm. so is the last page of a booklet, "booklet" and "back"?
- 03:42:26 [kepstin-laptop]
- or just "booklet"?
- 03:42:47 [kepstin-laptop]
- and if the front image is also part of the booklet, is it "front" and "booklet"?
- 03:43:24 [nikki]
- who know :(
- 03:43:26 [nikki]
- +s
- 03:43:28 [Lotheric]
- Is the booklet inside the plastic on the left side of the jewel case when you open it?
- 03:44:14 [reosarevok]
- kepstin-laptop: IMO, front and booklet - yes
- 03:44:20 [Lotheric]
- If so, I'd say the first page of the booklet is also the front
- 03:44:23 [reosarevok]
- booklet + back, no
- 03:44:33 [reosarevok]
- (unless it's the back of the actual release)
- 03:44:58 [kepstin-laptop]
- k.
- 03:45:08 [kepstin-laptop]
- yeah, I read the defn. of "back" now
- 03:45:13 [kepstin-laptop]
- that makes sense.
- 03:46:00 [kepstin-laptop]
- so what is the type to use for the inside of the cd case back?
- 03:46:08 [ianmcorvidae]
- 4other, for now
- 03:46:09 [kepstin-laptop]
- just 'Other', I guess?
- 03:46:10 [ianmcorvidae]
- -4
- 03:46:15 [reosarevok]
- +1
- 03:46:19 [ianmcorvidae]
- we couldn't agree when we were doing the original list of types
- 03:46:26 [ianmcorvidae]
- so it's only the bare minimum
- 03:48:21 [kepstin-laptop]
- wait a minute, why is the webpage saying "You have no collections!"?
- 03:48:26 [kepstin-laptop]
- I know I have several...
- 03:48:32 [nikki]
- you're on the cover art tab
- 03:49:07 [kepstin-laptop]
- ah, yeah.
- 03:49:12 [nikki]
- http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4629
- 03:49:17 [reosarevok]
- nikki, you're a killjoy
- 03:49:26 [reosarevok]
- You should have told him there was a bug and they were dropped
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- 03:49:56 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok adds mooore covers
- 03:50:10 [kepstin-laptop]
- do we have any sort of guidelines for what to use as the order?
- 03:50:20 [nikki]
- no
- 03:50:23 [nikki]
- something that makes sense :P
- 03:50:31 [reosarevok]
- Yeah
- 03:50:37 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop put http://musicbrainz.org/release/961f442a-7241-4ed8-9a48-1d6194c428a7/cover-art in the order that was most natural to him.
- 03:50:38 [ianmcorvidae]
- * ianmcorvidae should write a bot to import from jamendo possibly, all their cover art appears to be jpg
- 03:50:46 [reosarevok]
- Please don't be like "booklet 3, booklet 43, booklet 13"
- 03:50:58 [reosarevok]
- ianmcorvidae, please do :D
- 03:51:15 [ianmcorvidae]
- booklet 1, booklet 10, booklet 11, booklet 2, booklet 3, booklet 4... ;)
- 03:51:24 [reosarevok]
- Even better!
- 03:51:38 [reosarevok]
- Booklet I, II, III, IV, IX, V, VI, VII, VIII, X!
- 03:52:02 [ianmcorvidae]
- most of my stuff I have to re-scan though :/ the example scans I did way back when I was part of the CAA types discussion I did in .png
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- 03:53:41 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop is being helpful and cropping out the front covers of the booklets into separate images.
- 03:57:57 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok keeps adding Spanish rap demo covers
- 03:58:28 [reosarevok]
- Not because they're especially useful
- 03:58:41 [reosarevok]
- But because it's the only place I could think of as a starting point
- 04:00:15 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok shakes his head at CRAP covers
- 04:01:39 [kepstin-laptop]
- ianmcorvidae: png is a lossless format... it's trivial to covert to jpg.
- 04:01:51 [nikki]
- * nikki gives up and goes to pass out
- 04:02:27 [ianmcorvidae]
- kepstin-laptop: oh, yeah, true
- 04:02:32 [ianmcorvidae]
- I should really rescan a lot of them anyway though
- 04:03:50 [kepstin-laptop]
- that's like saying "most of my stuff I have to re-rip, the example rips I did way back when I did as flac" ;)
- 04:04:06 [kepstin-laptop]
- unless you did a really bad job of scanning them, I suppose.
- 04:04:28 [ianmcorvidae]
- haha
- 04:04:40 [ianmcorvidae]
- some of them I could certainly argue for a "set the offset incorrectly" metaphor, yes :P
- 04:06:24 [hawke_]
- lol, nice cover art "announcement": "We’ve also improved cover art support slightly."
- 04:06:28 [ianmcorvidae]
- * ianmcorvidae possibly breaking the indexer
- 04:06:39 [Lotheric]
- reosarevok, you like rap music ?
- 04:06:48 [kepstin-laptop]
- hmm, I keep forgetting that I don't have my good filters for cleaning up scans on my laptop :/
- 04:06:54 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop should fix that some time
- 04:06:55 [reosarevok]
- Lotheric: I do. I dislike a lot of their covers though :p
- 04:07:09 [ianmcorvidae]
- kepstin-laptop: you should also document how you do that, so the rest of us can use them too :P
- 04:07:17 [Lotheric]
- spanish rap from Spain or elsewhere ? Can you recommend me somthing ? :)
- 04:07:29 [reosarevok]
- Lotheric, http://8tracks.com/reosarevok
- 04:07:39 [reosarevok]
- (most of those are *long*)
- 04:07:43 [ianmcorvidae]
- but yes incidentally: http://ianmcorvidae.net/images/covers/hakkaan-front.png (for example)
- 04:08:00 [ianmcorvidae]
- the case is in it because the text is printed on it, but I should really do some careful processing :/
- 04:08:01 [Lotheric]
- cool
- 04:09:19 [Lotheric]
- I'm listening to your 1997-2010 spanish rap mix
- 04:09:28 [kepstin-laptop]
- ianmcorvidae: it's mostly manual, and varies from scan to scan :/
- 04:10:00 [ianmcorvidae]
- well, still
- 04:10:23 [reosarevok]
- That one seems to be fairly "popular", but it is almost 3 hours long
- 04:10:39 [reosarevok]
- Although of course, if you're planning to stay for 3 hours adding cover art, then it works :D
- 04:10:56 [ianweller]
- * ianweller really wants to set up a color profile for his scanner before he starts scanning artwork
- 04:11:02 [Lotheric]
- haha don't think I will. it's midnight and I have to work tomorrow >.<
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- 04:13:50 [reosarevok]
- :p
- 04:13:54 [reosarevok]
- It's 7AM here
- 04:14:00 [reosarevok]
- Luckily, I don't have to work today
- 04:14:12 [ianmcorvidae]
- * ianmcorvidae just woke up -- it's midnight :P
- 04:15:31 [Lotheric]
- some french in the 7 notas 7 colores track
- 04:15:34 [Lotheric]
- :D
- 04:18:56 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop notes that his silly ajax page already has CAA support: file:///home/cwalton/Development/ajax/index.html?release=961f442a-7241-4ed8-9a48-1d6194c428a7
- 04:19:13 [ianmcorvidae]
- kepstin-laptop: that file:// URI isn't going to help us much ;)
- 04:19:37 [kepstin-laptop]
- er, whoops
- 04:20:04 [reosarevok]
- Lotheric: yeah, one of the guys who was kinda associated with them is originally from Paris IIRC
- 04:20:28 [kepstin-laptop]
- hmm. apparently the version of that I have publically available /doesn't have caa support :)
- 04:20:45 [kepstin-laptop]
- er, it does, just partially
- 04:20:48 [kepstin-laptop]
- http://people.scs.carleton.ca/~cwalton3/temp/mbmockups/ajax/index.html?release-group=0790493a-fb02-4270-bda3-b25e40027867
- 04:20:52 [kepstin-laptop]
- only on release group pages :)
- 04:21:28 [reosarevok]
- Lotheric: in case you're curious http://berootsbangers.bandcamp.com/album/mainstream-is-dead is the guy's latest release (he now raps in Spanish but his bandmate is also Parisian and raps in French)
- 04:21:33 [reosarevok]
- Can't remember if it was any good though
- 04:22:51 [Lotheric]
- I'll check it out
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- 04:46:11 [ianweller]
- hmm
- 04:46:50 [ianweller]
- if this channel doesn't have topic lock, does anyone mind if i update the topic with info on the latest release?
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- 04:52:16 [hawke_1]
- pretty sure it does, but I don’t think anyone will mind
- 04:52:31 [hawke_1]
- *would
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- 04:53:14 [hawke_1]
- guess not
- 04:53:22 [hawke_1]
- I see cover-art has implemented a height limit on display
- 04:53:24 [hawke_1]
- that’s good
- 04:53:25 [ianweller]
- it didn't show up in the mode list or chanserv info so i figured it didn't :)
- 04:58:44 [reosarevok]
- ianweller: actually, the devs never remember
- 04:58:56 [reosarevok]
- I think v6lur ends up updating it half of the times
- 05:11:08 [hawke_1]
- Hmm, coverart allows non-square covers. Sexy.
- 05:11:18 [hawke_1]
- Was it amazon or MB that prevented it before?
- 05:11:56 [ianweller]
- mb never prevented it
- 05:12:15 [hawke_1]
- Hmm
- 05:12:17 [ianweller]
- as far as i know
- 05:12:52 [hawke_1]
- I just uploaded a cover art and the art it replaced was squished horizontally
- 05:13:12 [ianweller]
- where was it from? amazon?
- 05:13:18 [ianweller]
- i think amazon requires their cover art to be square
- 05:13:22 [ianweller]
- in most cases
- 05:17:27 [hawke_1]
- amazon
- 05:17:29 [hawke_1]
- I assume
- 05:18:13 [hawke_1]
- Hmm, I wonder how best to rotate media scans
- 05:19:26 [hawke_1]
- scanning round things is hard. ;-)
- 05:20:34 [reosarevok]
- It is
- 05:20:53 [reosarevok]
- I gave up eventually
- 05:21:02 [ianweller]
- heh
- 05:21:06 [reosarevok]
- And decided "more or less straight" works
- 05:21:45 [hawke_1]
- That’s what I’m thinking as well
- 05:21:52 [hawke_1]
- but how much less am I willing to accept. :-)
- 05:22:14 [hawke_1]
- Also kinda thinking about the shadowing and how/if to crop
- 05:22:26 [hawke_1]
- stupid CDs don’t *seem* 2-dimensional!
- 05:22:55 [hawke_1]
- er
- 05:22:57 [hawke_1]
- 3-dimensional
- 05:23:04 [ianmcorvidae]
- I haven't been cropping medium scans, but it does look a bit ugly
- 05:23:20 [ianmcorvidae]
- not sure how much that can really be improved
- 05:23:38 [ianweller]
- i think the purpose of the media scan is to have a reference of what it looked like, not something you can recreate from or whatever
- 05:23:49 [hawke_1]
- I agree
- 05:23:57 [ianweller]
- i always kind of thought the purpose of having all these different kinds of cover art was to have more evidence readily accessible for making edits
- 05:24:34 [hawke_1]
- I would think that and clarity of different releases
- 05:24:35 [reosarevok]
- That and documenting "this is how it looked like"
- 05:24:42 [hawke_1]
- as in “See? My release really is different”
- 05:24:58 [hawke_1]
- Which I guess is part of what you said anyway
- 05:25:37 [hawke_1]
- Anyone have any opinion on ordering?
- 05:26:05 [hawke_1]
- front, back, spine, inner covers, medium, booklet?
- 05:26:20 [hawke_1]
- front, medium, back, inner covers, spine, booklet?
- 05:27:52 [ianweller]
- if anything, i'd do it in order from front to back
- 05:28:12 [hawke_1]
- hmm
- 05:28:13 [reosarevok]
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- 05:28:13 [ianweller]
- so front, booklet, medium, inner cover, back (and who knows where spine goes)
- 05:29:10 [ianweller]
- but that's just me with an opinion made up on the spot
- 05:30:34 [ianmcorvidae]
- I've been doing front, back, medium, spines, inner covers, booklet, other stuff
- 05:31:21 [reosarevok]
- :D
- 05:31:24 [reosarevok]
- I see we all agree
- 05:31:40 [ianmcorvidae]
- on 'front' being first we do ;)
- 05:32:11 [ianmcorvidae]
- really my ordering was pretty much arbitrary; until there's style guidelines I think it's just gonna be "whatever sorta makes sense"
- 05:32:27 [hawke_1]
- Front to back, mine would be front, booklet, inner cover, inner cover, medium, back, spine. I guess.
- 05:32:29 [ianmcorvidae]
- which probably amounts to "put front first" + "keep booklets in order" and really nothing else :P
- 05:32:50 [hawke_1]
- at least for the release I’m working on
- 05:35:10 [hawke_1]
- How about comments. I’m putting “page x” for the booklets
- 05:35:18 [ianmcorvidae]
- yeah, I've been doing that
- 05:35:29 [ianmcorvidae]
- there's a question of whether the front cover is page 1 or whether the next page after that is though
- 05:35:32 [hawke_1]
- and a general description like “inner cover left” for any "other" ones
- 05:35:45 [ianmcorvidae]
- (I've been doing e.g. front, page 1-10, back)
- 05:35:50 [hawke_1]
- ianmcorvidae: I would say follow book format
- 05:35:59 [ianmcorvidae]
- I'm not sure what you mean by that :P
- 05:36:22 [hawke_1]
- odd pages on the right
- 05:36:26 [hawke_1]
- so cover page 1
- 05:36:37 [ianmcorvidae]
- ah
- 05:36:40 [ianmcorvidae]
- so not what I'm doing :P
- 05:36:56 [ianmcorvidae]
- we'll need to develop style eventually, is what it really comes down to
- 05:36:58 [hawke_1]
- or 'cover', 'inner cover left', 'page x…' 'inner cover right' 'back'
- 05:37:05 [hawke_1]
- ianmcorvidae: Exactly. :-)
- 05:37:23 [ianmcorvidae]
- we also need more types
- 05:37:25 [hawke_1]
- Not what I did with my first release either, but thinking about it, it would make sense I think
- 05:37:30 [ianmcorvidae]
- e.g. tray :P
- 05:37:32 [hawke_1]
- Yes
- 05:37:47 [hawke_1]
- I’m trying to restrict my comments mostly to that format
- 05:38:00 [hawke_1]
- something I would like to be a type, or a type+number
- 05:38:15 [hawke_1]
- or I guess other attribute
- 05:39:46 [ianweller]
- for pages i did 1/16, 2/16, etc
- 05:40:17 [ianweller]
- er, for comments of a booklet
- 05:40:32 [hawke_1]
- ianmcorvidae: I’m doing mine as separate pages
- 05:40:45 [hawke_1]
- my scanning app (Gnome’s Simple-scan) makes changing the crop easy
- 05:41:01 [ianweller]
- mine was odd though, the PDF was made to have 2 pages per "page" and i was too lazy to split
- 05:41:51 [ianweller]
- dunno if i should fix that tomorrow (cancel, split, reupload)
- 05:41:56 [ianmcorvidae]
- sometimes 2 pages in one image is better, if it's an image that spreads across two pages
- 05:42:00 [hawke_1]
- wow, reordering is a pain in the ass
- 05:42:09 [hawke_1]
- * hawke_1 wants drag-and-drop
- 05:42:09 [ianweller]
- ianmcorvidae: it isn't though :)
- 05:42:11 [ianmcorvidae]
- this release I'm uploading now I actually scanned the two booklets (yes, it has two) differently
- 05:42:29 [ianmcorvidae]
- because one had images across spreads, the other had discrete pages
- 05:42:33 [ianweller]
- i need to find a large format scanner for this van she booklet
- 05:42:49 [ianweller]
- i think my university has one somewhere. i should investigate before summer
- 05:43:15 [hawke_1]
- Alright…my first release completely scanned: http://musicbrainz.org/release/32ecec2d-804d-4023-8bce-4019c73f3076/cover-art
- 05:43:32 [hawke_1]
- Shit, I need to rotate and re-upload the medium
- 05:44:37 [reosarevok]
- hawke_1: I think the devs tried and it was too hard to code fast or whatever
- 05:44:55 [hawke_1]
- reosarevok: rotate, or drag-and-drop?
- 05:45:09 [hawke_1]
- reosarevok: Either way, it applies I suppose
- 05:45:13 [reosarevok]
- D&D
- 05:45:55 [hawke_1]
- Not a big problem anyway…at least we can reorder. Just fine for a first draft.
- 05:46:33 [hawke_1]
- Images seem to be getting processed a lot faster than they were earlier today
- 05:47:02 [hawke_1]
- Alright, medium orientation fixed.
- 05:47:10 [hawke_1]
- Anybody see anything I screwed up?
- 05:47:18 [reosarevok]
- I think it depends on the server you hit or something
- 05:48:21 [ianweller]
- hawke_1: i noticed that too
- 05:48:21 [hawke_1]
- Too many clicks to get to the standalone cover image. :-/
- 05:48:42 [ianweller]
- in fact i had to reupload my first image
- 05:48:56 [ianweller]
- didn't show up even after 5 hours
- 05:49:25 [ianweller]
- * ianweller -> sleep
- 05:50:02 [reosarevok]
- :)
- 05:51:24 [hawke_1]
- * hawke_1 is off to sleep
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- 07:55:20 [CatCat]
- I'd set those all to "[unknown]" with artist credits http://musicbrainz.org/release/a12a8a75-f68b-4061-b9c2-10116862390f
- 07:56:47 [CatCat]
- * CatCat just noticed
- 07:56:51 [CatCat]
- ZOMGHOMG COVERS!!!!!!!
- 07:56:58 [reosarevok]
- Hmm, actually that kinda makes sense in NGS, yeah
- 07:57:02 [reosarevok]
- Wizzcat, opinion?
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- 08:11:01 [CatCat]
- yea
- 08:11:05 [CatCat]
- reosarevok: COVERSSSSS
- 08:19:58 [CatCat]
- ..wait what eher is my collections?
- 08:20:09 [CatCat]
- "You have no collections!"
- 08:20:11 [ianmcorvidae]
- CatCat: it's broken on the cover art tab, there's a bug filed
- 08:20:12 [CatCat]
- that's wrong
- 08:20:14 [CatCat]
- I do have that
- 08:20:21 [CatCat]
- oh. ok!
- 08:20:22 [CatCat]
- good
- 08:20:23 [ianmcorvidae]
- yeah, it should work everywhere but the cover art tab
- 08:20:25 [CatCat]
- puh
- 08:20:45 [CatCat]
- * CatCat was afraid there a second that everything was BALETED
- 08:24:36 [CatCat]
- wait so question: the "add a barcode get cover from amazon" thing is turned offnow, right?
- 08:25:17 [ianmcorvidae]
- no, it still does that if there's nothing in the CAA
- 08:25:34 [ianmcorvidae]
- I think basically it goes: if there's something in the CAA, it uses it, otherwise it uses the old methods
- 08:27:19 [CatCat]
- well that's strange because http://musicbrainz.org/release/fdfdf717-c568-4507-b28b-1262990887e9 has a link to CAA but nothing is linekd
- 08:27:32 [CatCat]
- also if you clcik it it says "doesn't have a link thing"
- 08:27:43 [CatCat]
- No front cover image found for release with identifier fdfdf717-c568-4507-b28b-1262990887e9
- 08:27:51 [CatCat]
- so it assumed cover is fro mCAA
- 08:28:21 [ianmcorvidae]
- CatCat: it shows up for me
- 08:28:29 [ianmcorvidae]
- probably archive.org hadn't finished processing it yet
- 08:28:34 [ianmcorvidae]
- it takes a second for the thumbnails to get created
- 08:28:52 [ianmcorvidae]
- oh, er
- 08:28:53 [ianmcorvidae]
- hm
- 08:28:59 [CatCat]
- git :P
- 08:29:01 [ianmcorvidae]
- I see it from the barcode
- 08:29:24 [ianmcorvidae]
- heh, though the link is to a nonexistent CAA thing
- 08:29:30 [ianmcorvidae]
- which is just an error
- 08:29:42 [ianmcorvidae]
- the image is http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51uKLrQu84L.jpg
- 08:30:08 [CatCat]
- of course it is, becasue i linked usign old amazon lnik
- 08:30:10 [CatCat]
- rel
- 08:30:25 [CatCat]
- but what I want to know is can i safely actually put in a barcode?
- 08:31:13 [ianmcorvidae]
- not sure, I don't know if ASIN or barcode has higher priority
- 08:31:17 [ianmcorvidae]
- though it should be ASIN, seems like
- 08:31:57 [CatCat]
- >_<
- 08:32:23 [CatCat]
- priosirt?! NO, the barcode -> fetch coverfro mamazon shoudl be removed copmpeltely
- 08:32:46 [ianmcorvidae]
- not under my control :)
- 08:33:01 [CatCat]
- priority?! NO, the barcode -> fetch cover from amazon should be removed completely
- 08:33:06 [reosarevok]
- ASIN
- 08:33:16 [CatCat]
- I DONT UNDERSTAND
- 08:33:28 [CatCat]
- >_<
- 08:33:39 [reosarevok]
- Well, it seems people didn't care to remove it
- 08:33:42 [ianmcorvidae]
- CatCat: nothing is changed other than the CAA now existing; any previously-made poor decisions still exist :P
- 08:33:50 [CatCat]
- damn
- 08:33:57 [CatCat]
- why the fuck cant we remove that ?
- 08:34:24 [CatCat]
- it was a bogus "interim" idea that should have been removed by now
- 08:34:39 [CatCat]
- because peopel are to fuckign impatient
- 08:34:48 [ianmcorvidae]
- go ahead and write a patch and submit it to codereview :P
- 08:34:51 [CatCat]
- ocharles, warp ruaok, COME ON NOW
- 08:34:58 [CatCat]
- ianmcorvidae: also fuck you
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- 09:02:41 [mat_]
- ok, so, covers
- 09:02:49 [mat_]
- let's look at the rules
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- 09:10:58 [adhawkins]
- CatCat: Why the aversion to using amazon covers?
- 09:13:47 [reosarevok]
- adhawkins: his problem is with using auto-sourced barcode covers
- 09:13:56 [reosarevok]
- Because sometimes the results are... sad
- 09:14:16 [adhawkins]
- What, you mean for the wrong release?
- 09:14:18 [adhawkins]
- How can that happen?
- 09:14:26 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- lolamazon
- 09:14:28 [reosarevok]
- For example, a bootleg which uses a random barcode will get the image of a facial cream :p
- 09:14:44 [adhawkins]
- Oh ok. Well, surely the issue there is that the bootleg shouldn't have a barcode?
- 09:14:48 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- also it's generally bad that stuff gets auto added
- 09:14:52 [reosarevok]
- But it does have it
- 09:14:57 [reosarevok]
- The problem anyway
- 09:14:57 [adhawkins]
- I was actually considering adding barcode lookup to flactag
- 09:15:06 [reosarevok]
- Is not really that it gets added
- 09:15:11 [reosarevok]
- It's that it can't get removed
- 09:15:19 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- that's to oa problem
- 09:15:23 [reosarevok]
- Since there's no "remove this cover" option for the barcode-sourced thing
- 09:15:39 [reosarevok]
- So it's usually right, but when it's not it can't be fixed
- 09:15:47 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- imho it should at least *ask* you if this is the right cover/ask if you want to add this cover
- 09:15:52 [reosarevok]
- (well, now we can add a cover art archive upload on top of it)
- 09:16:05 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- that's better atleast
- 09:16:18 [reosarevok]
- I would say the autoadd is OK, it's right almost every time. It should just allow you to remove it for the cases when it *is* wrong
- 09:16:21 [reosarevok]
- Aaanyway
- 09:16:23 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok goes to bed
- 09:16:26 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- but like CatCat I can't help but wonder why it hasn't bee nremoved by now
- 09:16:41 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- good night reosarevok
- 09:17:08 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- ah it's a great day outside lovely weather.
- 09:17:13 [adhawkins]
- If you remove the barcode, does the associated coverart get removed?
- 09:17:22 [adhawkins]
- ZaphodBeeblebrox: I assume you're not in the UK :)
- 09:17:26 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- sun is shining, I'll be off
- 09:17:38 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- adhawkins: nope, also nope
- 09:17:55 [adhawkins]
- Ah ok, that's less good then.
- 09:17:59 [adhawkins]
- Have fun ZaphodBeeblebrox
- 09:18:15 [adhawkins]
- If there's anything cooler than you around her, it should be caught and shot now :)
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- 09:35:19 [Sekhmetouserapis]
- hi, it's been a few weeks since my last edits so I didn't follow the news, are there new CSG guidelines for classical music regarding the release artist ?
- 09:50:48 [CallerNo6]
- Sekhmetouserapis: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Classical/Release/Artist
- 09:51:52 [Sekhmetouserapis]
- ah, thanks, couldn't find the page
- 10:02:31 [ianmcorvidae]
- whoo, all 35 images uploaded to http://musicbrainz.org/release/189d7863-a23c-49d9-ae7e-031b413b2805/cover-art
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- 10:07:04 [adhawkins]
- Maybe I should get a scanner and scan in some of the stuff with my box sets :)
- 10:07:21 [ianmcorvidae]
- you should!
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- 10:38:54 [_5moufl]
- http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4063 Those do not appear anywhere else? Shouldn't they appear in another report category?
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- 11:00:46 [xplt]
- A lot of edits have expired... Will they be applied?
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- 11:05:00 [Noobie]
- if no one voted against htem
- 11:08:28 [xplt]
- ok
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- 12:24:45 [ianmcorvidae]
- dubwai: ping, when you're around
- 12:25:04 [dubwai]
- ianmcorvidae: i am her
- 12:25:07 [dubwai]
- *here
- 12:25:11 [ianmcorvidae]
- ah, hello!
- 12:25:14 [dubwai]
- hi
- 12:25:18 [dubwai]
- :-)
- 12:25:24 [ianmcorvidae]
- I don't know if you saw my blog post about language liaisons
- 12:25:39 [ianmcorvidae]
- but I got an email from another russian guy, and I know you were working on that (or intending to)
- 12:25:54 [dubwai]
- give link to blog
- 12:26:07 [dubwai]
- and i start translate but do it very very slowly
- 12:26:08 [ianmcorvidae]
- http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=1365 is the blog post
- 12:26:33 [ianmcorvidae]
- in any case, I wanted to get you and the other russian speaker interested in translation in contact
- 12:27:31 [dubwai]
- ok, but for 2 weeks i have a lot work at job, but anyway you are welcome
- 12:28:04 [ianmcorvidae]
- certainly; I don't have your email; how should I tell him to contact you, if he wants to?
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- 12:32:16 [nikki]
- adhawkins: I actually had an example earlier where the barcode was for an official release but the cover provided by the barcode was just bizarre and unrelated
- 12:32:30 [adhawkins]
- Fair enough!
- 12:32:38 [adhawkins]
- Was the cover on the appropriate amazon page?
- 12:32:58 [nikki]
- afaik it doesn't have an amazon page
- 12:33:06 [adhawkins]
- Oh ok
- 12:35:02 [nikki]
- hawke_: pre-ngs we squished covers into a square, but post-ngs we only set max heights/widths. any problems since then were amazon having crappy covers :P (they do have non-square covers, e.g. for dvds and 8cm cds, so it's not that it's impossible for them)
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- 12:41:21 [eduardo]
- hello
- 12:42:45 [eduardo]
- i'd like to know if it is possible to contribute to musicbrainz android
- 12:43:24 [ianmcorvidae]
- eduardo: it's possible -- he doesn't seem to be here right now, but the person to ask about that would be jdamcd, he's the author of it
- 12:58:46 [adhawkins]
- Anyone give me a release ID with coverart?
- 13:00:23 [nikki]
- http://musicbrainz.org/release/26d1038f-61b5-49e3-93b7-d950214da352/cover-art
- 13:00:39 [ianmcorvidae]
- ah, just beat me
- 13:00:44 [ianmcorvidae]
- was gonna give him http://musicbrainz.org/release/189d7863-a23c-49d9-ae7e-031b413b2805 ;)
- 13:01:16 [ianmcorvidae]
- though if you want to test types, and test *lots* of coverart, use mine (has 35 pieces of cover art, heh)
- 13:02:01 [adhawkins]
- Well, at the moment I just want to make a valid request so I can start following any redirects.
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- 13:12:09 [ocharles]
- Do people agree that the flyers belong on http://musicbrainz.org/release/b705dcee-a011-4bf0-abf2-4c4d9d586e9e/cover-art
- 13:12:12 [ocharles]
- or should I remove them?
- 13:12:39 [ianmcorvidae]
- if they came with the release I think they should be there
- 13:12:45 [ianmcorvidae]
- I scanned a sticker that came with one of my releases
- 13:12:54 [ocharles]
- they came with the bandcamp download, yea
- 13:28:08 [warp]
- then definitely.
- 13:28:12 [warp]
- also, goodmorning!
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- 15:48:12 [Noobie]
- gcc:error. libofa.dll
- 15:48:14 [Noobie]
- so fuzzy
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- 16:03:52 [ocharles]
- musicbrainz_db_20110516=> select count(1) from cover_art_archive.cover_art;
- 16:03:52 [ocharles]
- count
- 16:03:52 [ocharles]
- -------
- 16:03:52 [ocharles]
- 1002
- 16:03:55 [ocharles]
-
- 16:03:58 [ocharles]
- Good work :)
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- 16:09:10 [derwin]
- why count(1) instead of count(*) ?
- 16:10:47 [derwin]
- that's like, an urban legend, isn't it?
- 16:12:22 [ocharles]
- i think so, but it's just habit
- 16:13:44 [derwin]
- mysql, at least, turns : select count(*) into - select count(0) AS `count(*)` from `mysql`.`user`
- 16:13:58 [derwin]
- so your habit is what the optimizer is doing
- 16:14:30 [ocharles]
- yes
- 16:15:31 [derwin]
- I may be a DBA.
- 16:16:05 [ocharles]
- note that count(1) v count(*) could also be interpreted as having semantically different meanings
- 16:16:23 [ocharles]
- so whether or not I chose to write count(1) might not have been motivated by trying to be 'clever' :)
- 16:16:34 [derwin]
- how? I can see how count(<column>) can have different meaning
- 16:16:51 [derwin]
- but how is count(1) v count(*) ?
- 16:18:49 [ianmcorvidae]
- looks like postgresql does count(*) with a sequential scan of the entire table, there's a note
- 16:19:02 [ianmcorvidae]
- which suggests it's probably not any different than count(1) or such
- 16:19:50 [ocharles]
- i'm looking forward to 9.2
- 16:20:10 [ianmcorvidae]
- yeah, index-only scans :D
- 16:20:41 [ocharles]
- http://www.depesz.com/2011/10/08/waiting-for-9-2-index-only-scans/ it's a biggy!
- 16:20:42 [ocharles]
- :)
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- 17:38:48 [drsaunde1]
- count(dracula)
- 17:38:58 [drsaunde1]
- one bolt of lightning ... muahahaha
- 17:51:07 [Shepard]
- count(count)
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- 18:19:21 [CatCat]
- count(chocula)
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- 18:20:02 [CatCat]
- hi ruaok !
- 18:20:06 [ruaok]
- hi
- 18:20:07 [CatCat]
- waga klepto
- 18:21:02 [ruaok]
- :-)
- 18:21:19 [CatCat]
- good day?
- 18:21:23 [CatCat]
- * CatCat hads a good day
- 18:21:31 [ruaok]
- we shipped CAA yesterday. YES!
- 18:21:33 [ruaok]
- and COVERS!
- 18:21:36 [ruaok]
- :-D
- 18:22:01 [CatCat]
- it started out crap but progressed better after some crazy decisions
- 18:22:08 [CatCat]
- my day i mean
- 18:22:14 [CatCat]
- IKNOW.. COVERS!!!!
- 18:22:52 [CatCat]
- i spent yesterday completely playing civ III, so i missed itlmao, one day, one day i takea break form everything and of course it's the day CAA ships
- 18:22:54 [CatCat]
- lmao
- 18:24:08 [nikki]
- it wasn't released until after midnight anyway
- 18:24:18 [nikki]
- or thereabouts
- 18:25:30 [CatCat]
- heh
- 18:25:42 [hawke_1]
- How many releases now have cover art in CAA?
- 18:25:57 [CatCat]
- 2001?
- 18:26:01 [CatCat]
- no wait, 1002
- 18:26:17 [derwin]
- civ... III ?
- 18:26:22 [CatCat]
- why yes
- 18:26:32 [CatCat]
- it's the one i own
- 18:27:06 [nikki]
- we have 1056 add cover art edits. not sure how many releases
- 18:27:08 [CatCat]
- the latest civ doesn't run on mac either
- 18:27:27 [derwin]
- civ IV was pretty darn solid
- 18:27:32 [CatCat]
- hmm
- 18:27:37 [CatCat]
- does it run on mac though?
- 18:27:40 [Noobie]
- libofa is more or less obsolete right?
- 18:28:25 [ruaok]
- 1050 images collected!
- 18:28:44 [nikki]
- ruaok: but how many releases now have caa covers?
- 18:29:17 [ruaok]
- 634
- 18:29:25 [nikki]
- not bad...
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- 18:39:30 [Noobie]
- ImportError: No Module named picard.musicdns.ofa :/
- 18:53:52 [drsaunde1]
- re: CIV i didn't like iv.. v is good, is still think III is probably the best
- 18:54:35 [reosarevok]
- Clearly the best is Alpha Centauri
- 18:54:51 [drsaunde1]
- religions were annoying
- 18:55:02 [drsaunde1]
- not a fan of AC either
- 18:55:14 [reosarevok]
- :(
- 18:55:41 [drsaunde1]
- i found cleaning up fungus annoying too
- 18:56:01 [reosarevok]
- Dunno, I found AC much nicer but maybe it was just because it isn't so terribly "put historical names to unhistorical stuff"
- 18:56:47 [drsaunde1]
- okay i can concede that point
- 18:56:57 [drsaunde1]
- we both know baldur's gate II is the best game ever
- 18:58:16 [hawke_1]
- What’s the right thing to do here? http://musicbrainz.org/edit/17325470
- 18:58:50 [hawke_1]
- Should I try to fix the release and match up recordings, or should I just stay as a no-vote?
- 18:59:02 [symphonick]
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- 18:59:26 [reosarevok]
- Depends on how easy it is to fix vs. just copy the tracklist and paste it into a new release's parser
- 18:59:28 [reosarevok]
- I'd say
- 18:59:31 [drsaunde1]
- i agree, just no vote that...easier to add again, especially with an existing tracklist to copy
- 18:59:40 [nikki]
- is it just me or are the checkboxes smaller now?
- 19:00:03 [reosarevok]
- nikki: maybe they lost padding like everything else and look smaller or something?
- 19:00:16 [nikki]
- I dunno. but I'm having trouble aiming for them :/
- 19:00:20 [nikki]
- and they look weeeeird
- 19:01:48 [reosarevok]
- Pic?
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- 19:06:07 [Noobie]
- * Noobie is impressed
- 19:06:49 [nikki]
- reosarevok: http://lmfao.org.uk/tinycheckboxes.png the ticked ones just look bizarre :/
- 19:07:01 [reosarevok]
- Noobie, why? :)
- 19:07:13 [reosarevok]
- nikki, that does look small-ish
- 19:07:15 [Noobie]
- picard 0.16 is super fast and got a fresh new look
- 19:09:17 [Noobie]
- i also like the open button
- 19:09:31 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok finds wrongly merged classical recordings
- 19:09:32 [reosarevok]
- Meh
- 19:10:43 [Noobie]
- :D
- 19:12:22 [Noobie]
- a plugin to split audio files against a cue sheet would be awesome :o
- 19:12:38 [ianmcorvidae]
- I think shntools already has something to do that
- 19:12:52 [nikki]
- * nikki has used it for that
- 19:12:57 [adhawkins]
- It sure does
- 19:13:06 [Noobie]
- yeah,but picard doesn't^^
- 19:13:09 [adhawkins]
- My flac2ogg python script uses it.
- 19:13:16 [ianmcorvidae]
- yeah, shnsplit
- 19:13:53 [derwin]
- I used some script I found on the internet
- 19:13:54 [Noobie]
- i usually use cuetools to do that
- 19:14:01 [derwin]
- which I think wrapped cuetools
- 19:14:12 [derwin]
- to split flac-with-embedded-cue into multiple tracks
- 19:14:37 [Noobie]
- yeah cuetools is pretty cool
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- 19:29:54 [kepstin-laptop]
- I should switch to using a better tool for splitting a wav+cue into tracks
- 19:30:02 [kepstin-laptop]
- I have this old tool called 'bchunk
- 19:30:11 [warp]
- help! uploaded the same image twice. http://musicbrainz.org/edit/17473538
- 19:30:11 [kepstin-laptop]
- ' that usually works, but has some issues...
- 19:30:23 [ianweller]
- warp: just cancel one of them
- 19:30:27 [kepstin-laptop]
- warp: cancel the add edit?
- 19:31:44 [warp]
- ah, then we have a bug.
- 19:32:00 [ianmcorvidae]
- * ianmcorvidae had no trouble cancelling in the same situation
- 19:32:34 [kepstin-laptop]
- well, unless you autoedited the cover art add, I suppose - you wouldn't be able to cancel it then
- 19:32:38 [warp]
- no, they're auto-edits.
- 19:32:40 [kepstin-laptop]
- can cover art be added as an autoedit?
- 19:33:08 [ianmcorvidae]
- I thought it was just like with release adds, where it appears but isn't actually an AE -- or do you mean *you* did it as an AE?
- 19:33:12 [warp]
- so, there is no bug, and I would like some votes on the remove edit :)
- 19:33:29 [ianweller]
- warp: hit me with the edit link and i'll vote
- 19:33:51 [kepstin-laptop]
- ianweller: he pasted it a couple lines up^^
- 19:34:01 [ianweller]
- oh that was the remove edit
- 19:34:08 [ianweller]
- i suck at reading.
- 19:35:40 [warp]
- ianmcorvidae: It has a "Enable auto-editor privileges for this edit." checkbox on Add Cover Art, which I left checked.
- 19:36:14 [ianmcorvidae]
- yes, which is to say you made it an autoedit :P they aren't normally
- 19:37:08 [kepstin-laptop]
- ianmcorvidae: it's checked by default, iirc.
- 19:37:20 [kepstin-laptop]
- unless there's a user option for that somewhere...
- 19:37:28 [ianmcorvidae]
- yes
- 19:37:49 [warp]
- kepstin-laptop: the state of the autoedit checkbox should be remembered. so it should be whatever it was the last time you made an edit.
- 19:37:59 [ianmcorvidae]
- which, incidentally, I think is silly, autoediting should be opt-in, but it doesn't affect me, so :P
- 19:38:00 [warp]
- (obviously, I rarely turn it off :)
- 19:38:51 [kepstin-laptop]
- I still find it annoying that the autoeditor checkbox is displayed on edits which can't be autoedited
- 19:39:09 [kepstin-laptop]
- (but it's unchecked by default on those, rather than checked?)
- 19:39:31 [warp]
- kepstin-laptop: yeah, I'd consider that a bug.
- 19:42:56 [Noobie]
- sorry but i can i get some quick votes on that?
- 19:42:57 [Noobie]
- http://musicbrainz.org/edit/17473743
- 19:43:21 [reosarevok]
- kepstin-laptop: IIRC it's checked by default everywhere
- 19:43:39 [reosarevok]
- Noobie, NO!
- 19:43:40 [reosarevok]
- :p
- 19:43:45 [Noobie]
- aaah :/
- 19:43:47 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: for releases with 'EP' in the name, we normally leave it in the release name.
- 19:43:57 [kepstin-laptop]
- hmm.
- 19:43:58 [Noobie]
- hmpf
- 19:44:04 [Noobie]
- * Noobie doesn't like that
- 19:44:06 [reosarevok]
- You can get a quick approval, since it's an improvement :p
- 19:44:09 [kepstin-laptop]
- this is a weird one, tho; EP isn't listed on the release title on the album art.
- 19:44:13 [reosarevok]
- But it isn't a real vote anyway!
- 19:44:17 [kepstin-laptop]
- so i'd say it's OK :)
- 19:44:39 [Noobie]
- kepstin-laptop,
- 19:44:41 [ocharles]
- Noobie: a lot of those releases with 'ep' in the name are actually talked about in that way in person
- 19:44:44 [Noobie]
- see the website i pasted
- 19:44:58 [Noobie]
- the labelsite says its Ep
- 19:45:13 [Noobie]
- so generally,include the EP in the title?
- 19:45:32 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Titles#Do_not_remove_EP
- 19:45:59 [Noobie]
- i see
- 19:46:00 [Noobie]
- :/
- 19:46:44 [reosarevok]
- But if the actual cover doesn't include it, I never do either
- 19:46:47 [Noobie]
- so what to use ? EP or E.P.
- 19:46:51 [reosarevok]
- I just set the type to EP, and that's it
- 19:46:56 [reosarevok]
- Whatever the cover uses? :)
- 19:46:57 [Noobie]
- same here
- 19:47:25 [Noobie]
- the cover says neither E.P. nor EP
- 19:47:25 [Noobie]
- ^^
- 19:47:39 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: don't forget to upload the cover art :)
- 19:47:47 [Noobie]
- gnark
- 19:47:48 [Noobie]
- :D
- 19:48:25 [Noobie]
- i'll use EP
- 19:49:31 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop adds the art, cause he's feeling like doing something.
- 19:49:46 [Noobie]
- to this one?
- 19:50:15 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: yep.
- 19:50:23 [Noobie]
- i got a scan though
- 19:50:36 [kepstin-laptop]
- how do you have a scan for a digital release?
- 19:50:53 [Noobie]
- scan was more like a general term
- 19:50:57 [Noobie]
- or .jpeg file if you prefer it
- 19:50:59 [reosarevok]
- Well, he could print it and scan it back!
- 19:50:59 [reosarevok]
- :D
- 19:51:03 [kepstin-laptop]
- heh
- 19:51:05 [reosarevok]
- Not that hard
- 19:51:10 [reosarevok]
- (not too useful, either)
- 19:51:15 [kepstin-laptop]
- you have a higher-res image than on the website?
- 19:51:25 [ocharles]
- reosarevok: for that retro worn look :)
- 19:51:26 [kepstin-laptop]
- well, then you should probably replace the small one I uploaded :)
- 19:52:00 [kepstin-laptop]
- there we go, shows up at http://musicbrainz.org/release/9857df93-c44c-4cc3-b689-45af0b79683d now
- 19:52:01 [Noobie]
- 864x864
- 19:52:12 [reosarevok]
- ocharles: hey, you could print every state of an animated gif, scan it, upload it, and make it like one of these "move the pages very fast" books
- 19:52:14 [reosarevok]
- :p
- 19:52:23 [Noobie]
- lol
- 19:52:27 [Noobie]
- click on the cover :D
- 19:52:40 [reosarevok]
- On the sidebar? Blank? Known bug
- 19:52:46 [Noobie]
- ah ok
- 19:52:49 [Noobie]
- not really blank though
- 19:53:05 [reosarevok]
- Oh
- 19:53:14 [Noobie]
- rather some crippled text
- 19:53:17 [reosarevok]
- Depending on your browser you might get nonsense instead
- 19:53:18 [reosarevok]
- Yeah
- 19:53:53 [Noobie]
- a plugin which autouploads covers from picard would be helpful ^^
- 19:54:09 [nikki]
- kepstin-laptop: the box isn't ticked when you load a page which fills in some of the fields, which is a bug. you can tell that it's not because it's an auto-edit because the add annotation page has the box ticked
- 19:54:28 [nikki]
- anything for uploading covers would be helpful :P
- 19:54:30 [Noobie]
- upload front and back cover?
- 19:54:56 [kepstin-laptop]
- are there apis available for doing uploads?
- 19:55:11 [CatCat]
- aw yea Alpha centauri
- 19:55:13 [CatCat]
- <3
- 19:55:16 [kepstin-laptop]
- I thought there was something a bit wonky going on with how they were embedded using a frame in the mb page
- 19:55:20 [CatCat]
- was the first game I played
- 19:55:20 [CatCat]
- <33
- 19:55:28 [CatCat]
- (outa the civ ones)
- 19:55:29 [CatCat]
- like
- 19:56:11 [Noobie]
- No front cover image available.
- 19:56:32 [Noobie]
- ah takes some time i guess till it's processed?
- 19:57:15 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: yeah
- 19:57:23 [Noobie]
- yeah now it worked
- 19:58:06 [dankine]
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- 19:59:09 [Noobie]
- is there some kind of resolution check / limit?
- 19:59:22 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: nope.
- 19:59:22 [ianweller]
- just a size limit i'm fairly certain
- 19:59:28 [Noobie]
- hm
- 19:59:34 [kepstin-laptop]
- although only jpgs are supported, which is a bit annoying
- 19:59:42 [kepstin-laptop]
- it would be nice to get png in there, at least.
- 19:59:46 [Noobie]
- * Noobie too lazy to verify a proper res
- 19:59:57 [Noobie]
- yeah png is almost a must-be
- 20:00:33 [CatCat]
- [21:38] kepstin-laptopI still find it annoying that the autoeditor checkbox is displayed on edits which can't be autoedited
- 20:00:36 [CatCat]
- +2 on that
- 20:00:50 [CatCat]
- i find it confusign and weird that add artist is auto edit cliked
- 20:01:06 [Noobie]
- mh that's weird
- 20:01:18 [CatCat]
- is ther a checkbox on edits that *can't* be auto? like merge, remove, split?
- 20:01:21 [Noobie]
- what happens when a file picard tries to move is already in use?
- 20:01:31 [Noobie]
- except that it gives out an error
- 20:01:33 [reosarevok]
- CatCat: yeah, there is
- 20:01:42 [reosarevok]
- It's there for all edits
- 20:01:44 [Noobie]
- does it move the file once it got freed?
- 20:01:49 [reosarevok]
- (and it is confusing)
- 20:02:22 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: I have no idea, I use an OS that supports moving files while they're in use :/
- 20:03:06 [Noobie]
- well,i just realized that happened to me and i clicked a couple of times on save
- 20:03:17 [Noobie]
- and now i got duplicates for that track
- 20:03:30 [Noobie]
- so it actually copied it but still complaint
- 20:04:10 [Noobie]
- <kepstin-laptop> Noobie: I have no idea, I use an OS that supports moving files while they're in use :/
- 20:04:16 [Noobie]
- how does that work??
- 20:04:37 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: magic.
- 20:04:44 [Noobie]
- i think so
- 20:04:44 [Noobie]
- :D
- 20:04:48 [ianweller]
- magic is probably the best way to describe it yeah
- 20:04:51 [kepstin-laptop]
- or do you actually want the rather complicated technical details of how it's handled?
- 20:05:17 [Noobie]
- what os are you using? linux?
- 20:05:20 [CatCat]
- oh yes pleqase
- 20:05:26 [CatCat]
- * CatCat has always wondered that
- 20:05:29 [the_metalgamer]
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- 20:06:24 [kepstin-laptop]
- Ok. So when a program has a file open, the operating system gives the program what's called a "file handle", which it uses to store an internal association between a file on disk and the program.
- 20:07:00 [kepstin-laptop]
- the file handle is actually tied into the file directly (via an identifying number) rather than via the file name.
- 20:07:16 [kepstin-laptop]
- and moving the file doesn't change the identifying number.
- 20:07:29 [Noobie]
- kk
- 20:07:35 [kepstin-laptop]
- you can also delete in-use files
- 20:07:46 [CatCat]
- woa that's like.. how i imagined a computer susem qwhne i was 14 years old and only worked with windows.. huh
- 20:07:47 [kepstin-laptop]
- under linux, a delete is actually called an 'unlink'
- 20:08:15 [kepstin-laptop]
- the filesystem actually stores an index of "filename" -> "inode number" mappings
- 20:08:39 [kepstin-laptop]
- what deleting a file does is it removes the file from the list of mappings, then runs a background task to mark the space as free on disk.
- 20:08:45 [CatCat]
- yea.. exactly that.. and i'd keep a log file of all files and what's done with them and where they are moved/renamed etc
- 20:08:46 [Noobie]
- yeah makes sense
- 20:09:02 [CatCat]
- it'd*
- 20:09:07 [Noobie]
- anyway,would you say that a digital release can have a back cover??
- 20:09:09 [kepstin-laptop]
- if the file's in-use, it waits until the program is done with it before marking the space as free, so the program can keep using the space
- 20:09:15 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: sure.
- 20:09:23 [Noobie]
- k
- 20:09:25 [CatCat]
- hey it's what it is is it is
- 20:09:29 [CatCat]
- uh yea
- 20:09:34 [CatCat]
- * CatCat has his mind blown
- 20:09:43 [CatCat]
- .. i imagined this whne i was jsut a kid
- 20:09:54 [CatCat]
- and that to think this is how it's actually done
- 20:09:55 [CatCat]
- woa
- 20:10:18 [kepstin-laptop]
- CatCat: it's a /bit/ more complicated then that, because of some tree structures used to track which space is used/not used and in order to make filename lookups quick.
- 20:10:24 [kepstin-laptop]
- but that's the basic idea.
- 20:10:29 [CatCat]
- yes :)
- 20:10:59 [Noobie]
- * Noobie is listening to Georg Kreisler - Der Musikkritiker from Die Georg Kreisler Platte
- 20:11:18 [CatCat]
- Now grooving to: Led Zeppelin ~ Babe I'm Gonna Leave You (6:41) (from Led Zeppelin I) (1969)
- 20:11:21 [kepstin-laptop]
- the 'fat32' filesystem is called that because it has a "File Allocation Table" stored in a location on disk that maps filenames directly to locations on disk
- 20:11:41 [kepstin-laptop]
- it /doesn't/ have a concept of inode numbers, it only uses filenames to identify files.
- 20:11:47 [CatCat]
- oh!
- 20:11:54 [kepstin-laptop]
- NTFS however doesn't have this issue.
- 20:11:57 [Noobie]
- yeah,thats pretty outdated
- 20:12:06 [CatCat]
- what does ntfs stand for
- 20:12:08 [kepstin-laptop]
- but it's still enforced in windows because of legacy concerns, I guess.
- 20:12:15 [kepstin-laptop]
- "New Technology File System"
- 20:12:19 [Noobie]
- ^^
- 20:12:27 [kepstin-laptop]
- it's from Windows NT
- 20:12:30 [CatCat]
- you can't instlal win on ntfs?
- 20:12:38 [kepstin-laptop]
- CatCat: you can - it's the default now.
- 20:12:45 [CatCat]
- neat
- 20:12:50 [CatCat]
- can win xp have it?
- 20:12:53 [Noobie]
- yeah
- 20:12:57 [Noobie]
- it's default for win
- 20:12:58 [CatCat]
- awesome
- 20:12:58 [kepstin-laptop]
- yep, windows xp uses it by default
- 20:13:11 [CatCat]
- whne i make my game machine out old part i'm deifnitly doing ntfs
- 20:13:12 [reosarevok]
- heh
- 20:13:16 [kepstin-laptop]
- but you still can't rename in-use files on windows, even though the filesystem supports it.
- 20:13:27 [CatCat]
- uh weird
- 20:13:28 [Noobie]
- i am still waiting for windows to switch to gpt :/
- 20:13:30 [reosarevok]
- kepstin-laptop: I see they had the same issue as we have with NGS
- 20:13:37 [CatCat]
- whats gpt?
- 20:13:41 [reosarevok]
- I wonder what they'll do when they do a *newer* one :p
- 20:13:46 [kepstin-laptop]
- CatCat: 'guid partition table'
- 20:13:48 [Noobie]
- a different partition table
- 20:13:57 [Noobie]
- it supports almost unlimited partitions
- 20:14:08 [Noobie]
- instead of only 4 on mbr
- 20:14:11 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: you can install windows 7 or later on GPT - if and only if your computer has an EFI/UEFI bios.
- 20:14:26 [CatCat]
- what does mbr stand for?
- 20:14:28 [Noobie]
- only x64 supports it?
- 20:14:32 [Noobie]
- master boot record
- 20:14:36 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: I think only x64, yeah
- 20:14:45 [kepstin-laptop]
- but running 32bit on any modern machine is stupid :)
- 20:14:55 [Noobie]
- and you can't access gpt partitions from x86
- 20:15:04 [kepstin-laptop]
- you can, but only if it's not the boot drive
- 20:15:04 [Noobie]
- that's makes it less portable
- 20:15:09 [Noobie]
- sure?
- 20:15:09 [kepstin-laptop]
- you can use gpt on add-in drives
- 20:15:13 [kepstin-laptop]
- yep
- 20:15:32 [kepstin-laptop]
- not sure if it's supported on *USB* drives, but I know you can use it on non-boot internal drives.
- 20:15:51 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop uses gpt on all his linux boxes nowadays
- 20:16:04 [kepstin-laptop]
- with hybrid-mbr mode for windows dual-boot on some of them.
- 20:16:49 [Noobie]
- oh yeah you are right KingJ
- 20:16:54 [kepstin-laptop]
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- 20:16:57 [Noobie]
- wb
- 20:16:57 [Noobie]
- .Yes, all versions can use GPT partitioned disks for data. Booting is only supported for 64-bit editions on UEFI-based systems.
- 20:17:00 [Noobie]
- you are right kepstin-laptop
- 20:17:06 [KingJ]
- -.-
- 20:17:11 [Noobie]
- sry KingJ ^^
- 20:17:17 [Noobie]
- anyway,linux > win
- 20:17:18 [KingJ]
- It's okay heh.
- 20:17:21 [Noobie]
- ^^
- 20:17:40 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok likes #mb more when he understands stuff :p
- 20:17:48 [Noobie]
- :D
- 20:17:51 [reosarevok]
- So, someone talk about COVERS
- 20:17:51 [reosarevok]
- :p
- 20:18:03 [Noobie]
- lol
- 20:18:04 [ianweller]
- reosarevok: i heard you like COVERS
- 20:18:12 [Noobie]
- * Noobie uploading for his edits
- 20:18:29 [kepstin-laptop]
- apparently I have some covers for taiwan releases of japanese singles
- 20:18:32 [Noobie]
- this is goin to consume a lot more hd space on the mb server
- 20:18:45 [kepstin-laptop]
- Noobie: it's hosted by archive.org
- 20:18:53 [Noobie]
- ah ok that's cool
- 20:18:54 [kepstin-laptop]
- they have lots of space, don't worry :)
- 20:19:04 [Noobie]
- yeah i'd guessed so^^
- 20:19:25 [ianweller]
- oh my, the tally hall fan wiki has scanned covers for their demo CD.
- 20:19:29 [ianweller]
- * ianweller downloads, reuploads
- 20:19:44 [kepstin-laptop]
- http://musicbrainz.org/release/c77a2c0a-8ba5-4903-a7a1-3b5ac97cdd9b/cover-art - it's weird, cause it says "ONLY for Distribution Outside Japan" on the back
- 20:19:56 [kepstin-laptop]
- with an expiry date.
- 20:19:59 [Noobie]
- :d
- 20:20:41 [Noobie]
- after it expired you can sell it in japan :D
- 20:21:43 [ianweller]
- oh damnit they put a watermark on it
- 20:21:55 [Noobie]
- * Noobie yawning
- 20:21:58 [Noobie]
- i am goin to bed
- 20:22:01 [Noobie]
- gn8
- 20:23:08 [reosarevok]
- ianweller, I like covers so much, I put covers in cover albums! http://musicbrainz.org/release/5a5d9705-75d3-4b02-8010-6d534771877b/cover-art
- 20:23:28 [ianweller]
- reosarevok: that back cover should probably be listed as back and spine
- 20:23:34 [ianweller]
- reosarevok: also, lol
- 20:23:41 [reosarevok]
- Tsk :p
- 20:23:45 [reosarevok]
- Theeere
- 20:23:59 [kepstin-laptop]
- so, we should make a guideline regarding whether to put discs before backs or after.
- 20:24:08 [reosarevok]
- Should we?
- 20:24:44 [kepstin-laptop]
- well, if we don't it'll be inconsistent everywhere.
- 20:25:05 [reosarevok]
- It will still say "medium" and "back" though...
- 20:25:14 [reosarevok]
- So I'm not sure how important that is
- 20:25:20 [kepstin-laptop]
- I guess.
- 20:25:31 [kepstin-laptop]
- could always make a userscript to sort them how you like :)
- 20:25:34 [CatCat]
- "we know you like covers,s so we put covers on your covers so you can.. etc
- 20:25:57 [ianweller]
- does anyone mind horribly if i upload images that have watermarks on them?
- 20:26:10 [CatCat]
- hm
- 20:26:12 [ianweller]
- because i'm pretty sure i'm not going to find them anywhere else
- 20:26:14 [CatCat]
- would prefer not to
- 20:26:16 [reosarevok]
- What is it?
- 20:26:17 [kepstin-laptop]
- ianweller: I'd prefer lower-res images without watermarks over high-res images with
- 20:26:19 [CatCat]
- but if so
- 20:26:23 [ianweller]
- well, it won't be for the front
- 20:26:25 [kepstin-laptop]
- but if you can't find them /anywhere/ else...
- 20:26:29 [ianweller]
- i found one without a watermark for the front
- 20:26:37 [ianweller]
- but for the booklet, medium, etc
- 20:26:46 [ianweller]
- reosarevok: http://musicbrainz.org/release/5a5aca74-ee7a-48ee-8222-a419197a0259
- 20:26:48 [reosarevok]
- I mean, I am going to upload pictures with library stuff
- 20:26:49 [CatCat]
- ah
- 20:26:59 [reosarevok]
- If someone can find a better one, remove-add
- 20:27:32 [nikki]
- kepstin-laptop: does the outside-japan version expire at the same time as the price-fixing on the japan version?
- 20:27:50 [kepstin-laptop]
- nikki: I dunno.
- 20:27:52 [nikki]
- kepstin-laptop: because I assume they say not to sell it in japan, because if they did, nobody would buy the overpriced version :P
- 20:27:56 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop checks minc
- 20:29:09 [kepstin-laptop]
- huh, I thought minc.gr.jp showed the price-fixing end dates, but they don't seem to have them for this release?
- 20:29:12 [kepstin-laptop]
- owell.
- 20:29:22 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop doesn't have the art for the japanese version to check it
- 20:29:54 [CatCat]
- UGH i hate this lightboxing bullshit
- 20:30:05 [CatCat]
- can we have a way to turn it of /userscript also? :P
- 20:30:40 [kepstin-laptop]
- if you disable javascript, the links all turn to direct links to the image, instead of lightboxing
- 20:30:50 [CatCat]
- mneat
- 20:30:59 [CatCat]
- only i need javascript for everything else :P
- 20:31:09 [kepstin-laptop]
- annoyingly, ctrl-click and middle-click for opening the image in new tabs fails
- 20:31:11 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop should file a bug for that
- 20:31:16 [reosarevok]
- I think there is
- 20:31:20 [CatCat]
- there already is one
- 20:31:26 [CatCat]
- * CatCat remembers that casue he voted for it
- 20:32:41 [nikki]
- http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4495
- 20:33:08 [amino_]
- ianweller: hi, it's murdos from http://musicbrainz.org/edit/17442881
- 20:33:25 [ianweller]
- amino_: hi, i'm bad at remembering things
- 20:33:33 [ianweller]
- amino_: let me go ahead and throw this script on github real fast
- 20:33:37 [ianweller]
- amino_: it's very crappy :)
- 20:34:12 [amino_]
- ianweller: don't worry if it's crappy, it's very interesting ;)
- 20:34:50 [amino_]
- I mean your idea is interesting
- 20:36:41 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop should patch his browser to not run javascript code when middle-clicking on a link
- 20:36:44 [ianweller]
- amino_: https://github.com/ianweller/yankisrc
- 20:36:55 [ianweller]
- amino_: patches very very welcome
- 20:37:14 [kepstin-laptop]
- ianweller: I approve your choice of license ;)
- 20:37:29 [ianweller]
- kepstin-laptop: :D
- 20:37:36 [amino_]
- ianweller: thanks!
- 20:37:55 [ianweller]
- amino_: by default that script will look for a file in ~/.yankisrc_done
- 20:38:06 [ianweller]
- and it's a newline-separated list of release MBIDs that have already been looked at
- 20:38:07 [warp]
- * warp isn't particularly fond of that license.
- 20:38:38 [ianweller]
- warp: if i'm doing serious work i won't use it
- 20:38:46 [kepstin-laptop]
- warp: it's only really useful for little chunks of code that might as well be public domain, except that public domain laws are stupid.
- 20:38:54 [ianweller]
- exactly that ^^
- 20:38:57 [nikki]
- reosarevok: I think this bit of our css is the problem: *{padding:0;margin:0;}
- 20:39:02 [nikki]
- but I can't find where it's come from
- 20:39:27 [kepstin-laptop]
- the WTFPL explicitly states exactly what you are permitted to do with the code in question.
- 20:39:55 [ianweller]
- the only thing i don't like about it is that it doesn't have a "no warranty" clause
- 20:40:17 [kepstin-laptop]
- ianweller: the author provides a no warranty clause that you can include as an add-on.
- 20:40:18 [ianweller]
- but for what i use it for...
- 20:40:25 [ianweller]
- ah, yes
- 20:40:32 [ianweller]
- i ought to add it but i'm lazy.
- 20:40:43 [kepstin-laptop]
- (you should really write out the full license in the file, rather than just stating the license)
- 20:40:55 [ianweller]
- agreed
- 20:42:05 [ianweller]
- amino_: if you want to run the script, here's my completed MBID file: https://gist.github.com/2571196
- 20:43:12 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop notes that the 3 or 2-clause BSD license is another good choice for short bits of code like this
- 20:43:41 [kepstin-laptop]
- (imo, you should never use a license that's longer than your code ;)
- 20:43:47 [ianweller]
- agreed
- 20:48:33 [CatCat]
- uuh remind me in 10 minutes (ping) thatI have to shower
- 20:48:36 [CatCat]
- /naps
- 20:49:59 [ianweller]
- * ianweller needs to write a script to replaygain his library
- 20:50:14 [ianweller]
- doesn't help that i have flac, ogg, and mp3, and all of the tools use replaygain differently
- 20:51:39 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop has a script that runs the correct replaygain tools when ripping/encoding a cd.
- 20:51:57 [ocharles]
- * ocharles just plays everything as loud as possible
- 20:51:57 [ocharles]
- job done!
- 20:52:01 [kepstin-laptop]
- I keep all my different formats in separate subdirectories, so it was pretty easy to hack together a shell script to add the replaygain tags
- 20:53:19 [ianweller]
- problem is mp3 gain doesn't actually use the replaygain tags, it does something else
- 20:53:22 [ianweller]
- and i don't like it.
- 20:53:24 [ianweller]
- and neither does cmus.
- 20:53:49 [kepstin-laptop]
- if you use mp3gain with the '-s i' option, it will use id3v2 replaygain tags.
- 20:54:10 [kepstin-laptop]
- which work in all the players I use :)
- 20:54:18 [ianweller]
- * ianweller looks
- 20:54:22 [warp]
- * warp has never had a need for replaygain.
- 20:54:24 [kepstin-laptop]
- (which are all either gstreamer-based, or rockbox)
- 20:54:33 [nikki]
- reosarevok: do you have a screenshot of where the padding changed?
- 20:54:34 [kepstin-laptop]
- warp: I listen to music on headphones a lot
- 20:54:46 [reosarevok]
- nikki: on the RE
- 20:54:52 [reosarevok]
- Didn't it change for you?
- 20:54:56 [reosarevok]
- (the RE tabs)
- 20:54:59 [warp]
- kepstin-laptop: I mostly listen to music on headphones when working.
- 20:55:01 [nikki]
- I'd already changed it with user css :/
- 20:55:52 [derwin]
- I have used replaygain, because I am a big shuffler, but I'm not really sure I've got it working right, lol.
- 20:56:14 [kepstin-laptop]
- to borrow a phrase, "every day I'm shufflin'" as well.
- 20:56:35 [derwin]
- I have like 90k listens and 12k artists on last.fm hehe
- 20:56:44 [derwin]
- recently I have started listening to whole albums a bit more again
- 20:56:51 [derwin]
- just for change of pace
- 20:57:01 [derwin]
- but man I used to repeat albums so much
- 20:57:06 [derwin]
- basically never do that now
- 20:57:20 [nikki]
- * nikki listens to things on repeat a lot
- 20:57:22 [kepstin-laptop]
- derwin: man, you're ~1.3k plays ahead of me then :)
- 20:57:27 [nikki]
- if kepstin-laptop would finish his player, I might not :P
- 20:57:41 [ianweller]
- kepstin-laptop is working on a player?
- 20:57:44 [nikki]
- yes
- 20:57:53 [kepstin-laptop]
- ianweller: http://www.kepstin.ca/projects/riker
- 20:58:02 [nikki]
- the problem right now is that I can't be bothered to go to the trouble of finding something else to listen to
- 20:58:05 [ianweller]
- oh god that name is perfect
- 20:58:25 [nikki]
- and I was enjoying the release enough a few moments before when it finished, so why not listen to it again
- 20:59:27 [kepstin-laptop]
- ianweller: you'll like my tagline, then: "The Number One MusicBrainz Player" ;)
- 20:59:46 [derwin]
- kepstin-laptop my plays on last.fm start from 2004
- 20:59:48 [kepstin-laptop]
- ... once it actually plays stuff, of course :)
- 21:00:01 [derwin]
- and those stats are bad because they're not time normalized
- 21:00:10 [derwin]
- what we really care about is number of plays of the average length song
- 21:00:32 [kepstin-laptop]
- derwin: riker's apparenly going to include support for more detailed listening statistics.
- 21:00:44 [derwin]
- how?
- 21:00:50 [kepstin-laptop]
- someone filed a ticket asking for them, anyways :)
- 21:00:53 [derwin]
- hehe
- 21:01:52 [kepstin-laptop]
- derwin: https://github.com/kepstin/riker/issues/3
- 21:02:02 [ocharles]
- bah, why did i go on kepstin's github
- 21:02:07 [ocharles]
- now i want to format and install exherbo
- 21:02:14 [kepstin-laptop]
- ocharles: lol.
- 21:02:51 [kepstin-laptop]
- huh, looks like someone's already packaged libmusicbrainz-4.0.1
- 21:03:11 [ocharles]
- for exherbo?
- 21:03:15 [ocharles]
- or gentoo?
- 21:03:24 [kepstin-laptop]
- ocharles: for exherbo
- 21:03:33 [ocharles]
- we're getting popular!
- 21:03:53 [kepstin-laptop]
- http://git.exherbo.org/summer/packages/media-libs/libmusicbrainz/index.html :)
- 21:05:04 [ianweller]
- * ianweller should package libmusicbrainz4 for fedora
- 21:05:21 [ianweller]
- oh someone's already on it.
- 21:05:27 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop has pushed package updates for libmusicbrainz and picard on exherbo before
- 21:05:30 [ianweller]
- and it's already done.
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- 21:09:30 [ocharles]
- "# reboot && sacrifice a goat && pray" haha
- 21:12:02 [kloeri]
- not entirely sure but I might have used musicbrainz since before I started exherbo
- 21:13:07 [ocharles]
- warp and other analog synth/dnb fans: http://vimeo.com/41089409
- 21:13:08 [ocharles]
- just wow
- 21:17:25 [eduardo]
- can someone help me build the musicbrainz android project?
- 21:19:12 [nikki]
- reosarevok: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4642
- 21:19:44 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok guesses that's for navap
- 21:20:03 [nikki]
- just pointing it out to you, since you also mentioned it :P
- 21:20:08 [reosarevok]
- Yeah, voted
- 21:20:15 [reosarevok]
- I meant for solving it :)
- 21:20:19 [nikki]
- ah
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- ocharles: that's pretty nice.
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- 21:54:03 [ianweller]
- has anyone scanned vinyl covers yet?
- 21:54:59 [reosarevok]
- ianweller: 7"? :p
- 21:55:09 [ianweller]
- i was thinking 12"
- 21:55:15 [ianweller]
- and then i remembered nobody makes scanners that big
- 21:55:28 [reosarevok]
- Well, they do
- 21:55:33 [reosarevok]
- They're just VERY expensive
- 21:55:51 [ianweller]
- irght
- 21:55:52 [ianweller]
- right*
- 21:55:58 [hawke_1]
- I was thinking of trying to scan and combine the images
- 21:56:02 [hawke_1]
- no idea how well that’d work
- 21:56:07 [hawke_1]
- would certainly be time-consuming
- 21:58:18 [hawke_1]
- So I have a set of releases which have the booklet scanned (or maybe photographed) as a series of 2-page shots
- 21:58:28 [hawke_1]
- Should I crop them down to separate pages, or just upload as-is, or…?
- 21:58:39 [reosarevok]
- Depends on how much you want to work :p
- 21:58:48 [reosarevok]
- I'd say as-is works
- 21:58:59 [reosarevok]
- (and sometimes, it even beats cropping)
- 21:59:19 [hawke_1]
- Well, I don’t mind cropping them, but can anyone think of a reason that I shouldn’t?
- 21:59:39 [hawke_1]
- Too bad they’re not complete scans of the booklet, but hey, I’ll take what I can get
- 21:59:43 [reosarevok]
- It having either a 2-page picture
- 22:00:13 [reosarevok]
- Or, as some choral stuff I've scanned, 3 columns, with original on page 1 and translation on page 2 for the middle one
- 22:00:15 [reosarevok]
- Or stuff like that
- 22:00:21 [hawke_1]
- Ah, nothing like that
- 22:00:32 [hawke_1]
- aside from a line going across the pages
- 22:00:40 [reosarevok]
- If not, I guess it doesn't matter
- 22:00:42 [hawke_1]
- which doesn’t match up properly anyway. :-D
- 22:00:55 [reosarevok]
- Seems a bit useless to crop them though instead of using that time to get MOAR COVERS :p
- 22:01:42 [ianweller]
- some people on a related forum on discogs are talking about microsoft ICE
- 22:01:44 [ianweller]
- http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/groups/ivm/ICE/
- 22:02:06 [ianweller]
- of course that doesn't help me :)
- 22:02:13 [hawke_1]
- Anyone know of any tools to deskew the image?
- 22:02:30 [hawke_1]
- (i.e. fix the rotation / crop non-square)
- 22:03:05 [reosarevok]
- ianweller: http://alternativeto.net/software/image-composite-editor/?platform=linux ?
- 22:03:12 [ianweller]
- reosarevok: i'm looking at that :)
- 22:03:54 [ianweller]
- there were some others that also suggested getting a florescent lamp, lighting it properly, and just using a camera
- 22:04:00 [ianweller]
- i may end up doing that
- 22:05:09 [reosarevok]
- If it works, tell CallerNo6 when he's around
- 22:05:13 [reosarevok]
- I know he was considering it
- 22:05:29 [reosarevok]
- (and tell me too, if the equipment is cheap and portable enough to take it to the library :p)
- 22:06:48 [ianweller]
- i've got a DSLR on hand, i'd have to find a lamp
- 22:08:23 [CatCat]
- :/
- 22:08:47 [reosarevok]
- What's wrong, CatCat?
- 22:09:38 [reosarevok]
- (COVERS!)
- 22:09:53 [reosarevok]
- (it feels great to have them for all this Estonian stuff which is not on AMZ)
- 22:11:21 [reosarevok]
- otoh, OUCH MY EYES
- 22:11:34 [reosarevok]
- http://musicbrainz.org/release/822828f8-a486-426a-bb1a-d04b9977db80/cover-art (when it loads)
- 22:12:39 [ianweller]
- oh my jesus
- 22:13:21 [ianweller]
- why is there sudoku on the back cover
- 22:13:26 [reosarevok]
- I have no idea
- 22:13:57 [reosarevok]
- The song lyrics are completely absurd too, so I assume they wanted to go with absurd
- 22:14:31 [reosarevok]
- It's not that the label always sucks at design either, http://musicbrainz.org/release/77a467fe-a951-4dce-832a-16754ab4a5d1/cover-art is their previous release and it looks fairly decent
- 22:15:50 [reosarevok]
- Yay big junodownload covers
- 22:16:07 [reosarevok]
- 700x700 is not bad for a shop :)
- 22:17:41 [ianweller]
- btw, if a release is sold on bandcamp, bandcamp has the original cover art available on their website
- 22:17:46 [ianweller]
- as big as the artist uploaded it
- 22:19:48 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok reads "so I will make an importer" there, right :p
- 22:20:09 [VxJasonxV]
- Can do!
- 22:20:20 [VxJasonxV]
- so I found out why I always had problems using the MBz VM
- 22:20:33 [VxJasonxV]
- Because what VirtualBox calls a "NAT" network is not nat
- 22:20:35 [reosarevok]
- Actually, for my purposes, I guess an userscript "copy full-size-image URL to clipboard" works
- 22:20:43 [VxJasonxV]
- I mean, it's nat'ed, but the host cannot hit the guest, which is kind of a joke.
- 22:20:47 [VxJasonxV]
- Next time I want to bother, bridged it is.
- 22:20:48 [reosarevok]
- Since I can then just paste it into the uploader
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- 22:20:56 [VxJasonxV]
- Why didn't I just do that in the first place? whotf knows.
- 22:21:06 [reosarevok]
- Yay, biggest size for this cover online?
- 22:21:09 [reosarevok]
- 174x174
- 22:21:13 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok shakes his head
- 22:21:45 [reosarevok]
- Better than nothing I guess...
- 22:23:03 [reosarevok]
- At least it loads fast
- 22:23:57 [hawke_1]
- booklet fronts that are also front covers should be marked as both front and booklet, right?
- 22:24:12 [reosarevok]
- Yeah
- 22:25:38 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok plays classical while editing hip hop, in a surprising reversal of routine
- 22:27:33 [reosarevok]
- http://lejalgenes.com/gallery/release_048_more_gerda.jpg is this size really better than nothing? :/
- 22:27:57 [reosarevok]
- Oh, found 174 again
- 22:28:30 [reosarevok]
- Maybe I should just mail the label and ask for higher quality stuff
- 22:28:48 [reosarevok]
- Oh, wait, that one *is* on bandcamp :D
- 22:31:14 [derwin]
- this one release... on bandcamp..
- 22:31:41 [ianweller]
- hehe
- 22:33:06 [reosarevok]
- Now I wish we had a label view with covers :p
- 22:36:32 [ianweller]
- lolwat, this release is credited to a single person, but the release group is credited to various artists
- 22:36:50 [hawke_1]
- ianweller: presumably someone forgot to change it
- 22:36:54 [ianweller]
- * ianweller will fix it
- 22:37:43 [hawke_1]
- Uglier than the amazon cover, but higher res: http://musicbrainz.org/release/9ac1372a-6e2f-46e0-ab41-41d380010fdb/cover-art
- 22:38:05 [ianweller]
- actually, i wonder if i should have this be different
- 22:38:15 [ianweller]
- here's the release in question: http://musicbrainz.org/release/081ff32e-7f3a-4b0f-85a0-cf247dd54f5d
- 22:38:44 [ianweller]
- i'm thinking it should probably be "Solar Fields & Lisa Miskovsky"
- 22:39:12 [hawke_1]
- I’d say just Solar Fields
- 22:39:19 [hawke_1]
- there’s a clear majority there
- 22:40:08 [ianweller]
- ok
- 22:43:37 [reosarevok]
- It'd be nice if the cover art tab gave some info about the image...
- 22:43:40 [reosarevok]
- (say, size)
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- 23:03:23 [hawke_1]
- having returned from netsplit: Ooh…hey reosarevok, weren’t you mentioning the idea of having artist images?
- 23:03:36 [reosarevok]
- I was
- 23:04:13 [hawke_1]
- Potentially better idea: Tagging artist facebook-style from cover art images.
- 23:05:03 [reosarevok]
- That only works for egomaniacs and country singers :p
- 23:05:30 [hawke_1]
- Hardly: http://musicbrainz.org/release/50e81e43-ac2d-4011-b1d1-1b9fe9c0adad/cover-art
- 23:05:56 [hawke_1]
- (It does if you’re talking about front covers only, but not if you include all artwork
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- 23:06:28 [reosarevok]
- Hmmm
- 23:06:33 [reosarevok]
- You have a point there
- 23:06:59 [reosarevok]
- Of course, ideally we'd just get people to take cameras to concerts and make loads of cc-licensed pics
- 23:06:59 [reosarevok]
- :p
- 23:07:21 [warp]
- * warp likes hawke_1's idea.
- 23:08:10 [reosarevok]
- Yeah, it's definitely not a bad fallback
- 23:08:23 [reosarevok]
- (if we can't get a decent, appropriately licensed pic)
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- 23:09:08 [hawke_1]
- Also http://musicbrainz.org/release/e3f45c0c-26b3-4331-bf55-1dd7cc822395/cover-art
- 23:09:33 [reosarevok]
- "third page of pdf “booklet”
- 23:09:33 [reosarevok]
- "
- 23:09:39 [reosarevok]
- How is that not type: booklet?
- 23:10:17 [hawke_1]
- reosarevok: Because the pdf doesn’t really fit the layout of a booklet
- 23:11:03 [hawke_1]
- I dunno, does naming a pdf file “Botanicula soundtrack booklet.pdf” make it a booklet, even if you couldn’t print it as one?
- 23:12:57 [nikki]
- dubwai: ping
- 23:14:55 [warp]
- why wouldn't you be ablet o print it if it's a PDF?
- 23:16:25 [hawke_1]
- warp: You could print it, but it wouldn’t form a booklet with 3 pages.
- 23:17:37 [warp]
- if it's a pdf included with a digital release, that to me is enouh to call it a (digital) booklet.
- 23:19:10 [hawke_1]
- Not to me — for me it would need a front cover, and a back cover, and an even number of pages in between.
- 23:19:31 [hawke_1]
- I could see this one as a one-sheet plus an extra image
- 23:19:36 [hawke_1]
- but not a booklet
- 23:20:24 [reosarevok]
- hawke_1, don't be so analog :p
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- 23:25:10 [hawke_2]
- Hey, not my fault we named it “booklet”
- 23:25:12 [hawke_2]
- and not something really vague like “additional artwork”
- 23:25:51 [ianweller]
- digital booklets transcend the need for an even number of pages
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- could be 4 pages and one is blank, dunno
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- 23:28:43 [ianweller]
- the booklet could be origami
- 23:29:07 [ianweller]
- (this is the reason i don't belong on style lists, i start getting silly)
- 23:29:53 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok points to the very analog http://i.imgur.com/5QJdy.jpg
- 23:30:16 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok would call that a "booklet", conceptually
- 23:30:21 [ianweller]
- so would i
- 23:30:30 [ianweller]
- but how do you order it? :o
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- I will decide when I upload it
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- 23:34:42 [hawke_2]
- I would not call that a booklet.
- 23:34:46 [hawke_2]
- Maybe something like a poster.
- 23:34:52 [hawke_2]
- It’s certainly some form of liner notes
- 23:34:54 [hawke_2]
- but not a booklet
- 23:35:58 [reosarevok]
- It's not *exactly* a booklet in the same way as a digital release doesn't *exactly* have a front and a back, since it's immaterial
- 23:36:04 [reosarevok]
- But the concept is the same
- 23:36:42 [hawke_2]
- reosarevok: So, which of those botanicula pages is the back? The last one of the “booklet” or the one which happens to have the tracklist?
- 23:37:33 [reosarevok]
- I would probably use the tracklist one because that's the closer one to the idea/concept of "back"
- 23:37:47 [hawke_2]
- but it’s in the middle of the booklet! ;-)
- 23:38:05 [reosarevok]
- It's in the middle of the booklet which is not a booklet, yeah :p
- 23:38:22 [hawke_2]
- :-D
- 23:38:26 [reosarevok]
- But it is conceptually back-ish while the other is conceptually booklet-ish
- 23:38:28 [hawke_2]
- Anyway, I’m out for now.
- 23:38:32 [reosarevok]
- Ok :)
- 23:38:33 [reosarevok]
- Enjoy!
- 23:38:35 [hawke_2]
- They’re all part of the same file. :-p
- 23:38:52 [reosarevok]
- hawke_2: well, ideally you could just upload the file :p
- 23:38:59 [reosarevok]
- "here, have the pdf and don't make me think"
- 23:39:07 [hawke_2]
- Yes, that would be nice
- 23:39:21 [hawke_2]
- We should probably have a type 'tracklist', I think
- 23:39:31 [hawke_2]
- so we can mark whereever the tracklist appears
- 23:39:51 [hawke_2]
- these types are closer to tags than I think was first thought
- 23:39:59 [hawke_2]
- OK, out for real
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- hey folks. can i add release group lyrics relationship to this url? http://bornvillain.com/lyrics/
- 23:58:47 [MxxC]
- it's the official album website