IRC log of musicbrainz on 2012-06-20
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 00:39:24 [Tykling]
- Tykling has joined #musicbrainz
- 00:46:24 [Tykling]
- Tykling has joined #musicbrainz
- 01:32:03 [dankine]
- dankine has joined #musicbrainz
- 02:06:16 [JoeLlama]
- JoeLlama has joined #musicbrainz
- 03:23:09 [STalKer-X]
- STalKer-X has joined #musicbrainz
- 03:26:21 [kepstin-laptop]
- kepstin-laptop has joined #musicbrainz
- 03:35:00 [igndenok]
- igndenok has joined #musicbrainz
- 05:35:48 [aeontech]
- aeontech has joined #musicbrainz
- 06:13:54 [JoeLlama]
- JoeLlama has joined #musicbrainz
- 06:27:11 [Shepard]
- Shepard has joined #musicbrainz
- 06:42:10 [DarkerAudit]
- DarkerAudit has joined #musicbrainz
- 06:55:57 [xplt]
- xplt has joined #musicbrainz
- 06:56:08 [xplt]
- luks: ping?
- 07:00:10 [luks]
- xplt: pong
- 07:02:08 [xplt]
- luks: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/996836/AcoustIDClientCrash.log <--- so... Is it FFT library issue or acoustid's one?
- 07:08:22 [luks]
- xplt: most likely acoustid's
- 07:08:40 [luks]
- what version of chromaprint?
- 07:09:08 [luks]
- hm
- 07:09:19 [luks]
- but that crashes before actually doing anything
- 07:09:39 [luks]
- while just initializing the FFTW plan
- 07:10:22 [xplt]
- Version: 0.6; Release: 4.fc17;
- 07:11:12 [luks]
- does this happen always on the same files?
- 07:12:34 [luks]
- I think I see the problem
- 07:13:02 [xplt]
- I'm not sure, but looks like, it only crashes on first attempt of analysing new folders
- 07:14:24 [xplt]
- if I run it for the second time - it will work nicely
- 07:14:25 [luks]
- I'm calling the FFTW library initialization code from multiple threads, which is causing the problem
- 07:16:38 [luks]
- I wish I could just make everybody use FFmpeg :/
- 07:17:43 [xplt]
- :-/
- 07:20:33 [luks]
- this should fix the problem https://github.com/lalinsky/acoustid-fingerprinter/commit/0ad92bdd
- 07:20:46 [luks]
- but that doesn't help you with the fedora package
- 07:21:50 [xplt]
- luks: I'll try to build it (for myself), thank you very much :)
- 07:30:27 [ijabz]
- ijabz has joined #musicbrainz
- 07:46:28 [ijabz]
- ijabz has joined #musicbrainz
- 07:52:03 [JoeLlama]
- JoeLlama has joined #musicbrainz
- 07:58:41 [adhawkins]
- adhawkins has joined #musicbrainz
- 08:12:56 [tri_marianaaf]
- tri_marianaaf has joined #musicbrainz
- 08:14:02 [_5moufl]
- _5moufl has joined #musicbrainz
- 08:17:05 [reosarevok]
- reosarevok has joined #musicbrainz
- 08:17:59 [reosarevok]
- How does rreplace work in Picard? :) Would $rreplace(artistsort,",","") work?
- 08:18:13 [reosarevok]
- (the user from the other day wants to remove the comma from sortnames)
- 08:26:43 [luks]
- $replace(%artistsort%,\,,)
- 08:30:03 [reosarevok]
- :)
- 08:30:06 [reosarevok]
- Thanks!
- 08:30:16 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok finally plays the SND mix ocharles shared
- 08:30:25 [luks]
- you should really point people like that to the forums
- 08:31:11 [reosarevok]
- Guess so
- 08:33:04 [reosarevok]
- Told him to do so if he has more questions about scripting :)
- 08:40:30 [KRSCuan]
- KRSCuan has joined #musicbrainz
- 08:45:32 [KRSCuan]
- Is there any reason not to change the オムニバス (omnibus) credit for Japanese compilations to VA?
- 08:48:02 [KRSCuan]
- See the latest edits on http://musicbrainz.org/user/KRSCuan/edits/open
- 08:51:49 [marcooliveira]
- marcooliveira has joined #musicbrainz
- 08:55:40 [jesus2099]
- jesus2099 has joined #musicbrainz
- 08:56:06 [jesus2099]
- reosarevok: there is no reason to engilshicize from オムニバス to any englis hworkd imo
- 08:56:23 [jesus2099]
- woops KRSCuan ←
- 08:56:23 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok didn't ask :)
- 08:56:48 [jesus2099]
- KRSCuan: there is no reason to engilshicize from オムニバス to any english work imo
- 08:57:08 [KRSCuan]
- I just romanized for those who can't read kana.
- 08:57:14 [jesus2099]
- bitmap: are you there, Bitmap ? another subvkect
- 08:57:34 [jesus2099]
- KRSCuan: this is not romanize, it’s translation http://musicbrainz.org/edit/18044905
- 08:58:39 [KRSCuan]
- There are 105 release groups using VA as artist with オムニバス as artist credit. No recordings.
- 08:59:14 [jesus2099]
- no recordings it’s normal as it is VA compilations or Collectif in france etc.
- 08:59:37 [jesus2099]
- there are 105 RG now but it will be growing since it was not allowed before having ArtistCredit
- 09:00:13 [reosarevok]
- Go go go Jokipii_bot!
- 09:00:16 [jesus2099]
- オムニバス = Collectif = Various Artists = whatyourlanguageusageisinyourcountry
- 09:00:23 [reosarevok]
- More discogs links coming our way :D
- 09:00:31 [jesus2099]
- reosarevok: what you mean ? those bots make me nervous
- 09:00:32 [KRSCuan]
- We do "engilshicize" the credit for German compilations though, and probably for just about every other language.
- 09:00:53 [jesus2099]
- KRSCuan: ArtistCredit is new and the advantage has not been taken everywhere yet probably
- 09:01:02 [jesus2099]
- Who is “we” ?
- 09:01:04 [reosarevok]
- jesus2099: stuff like http://musicbrainz.org/edit/18033635
- 09:01:19 [reosarevok]
- Also, most people *do* keep VA standardised
- 09:01:36 [reosarevok]
- But I guess it the local version of VA *is* printed, then we could/should? use that
- 09:01:42 [reosarevok]
- *if
- 09:01:58 [jesus2099]
- OK the reason for オムニバス is that it’s the most used form in Japan. Now what is the reason for foreuign words, KRSCuan ?
- 09:02:33 [KRSCuan]
- Consistency?
- 09:02:35 [jesus2099]
- Isn’t the genuine non-import market what’s most important ?
- 09:02:44 [serengeti]
- serengeti has joined #musicbrainz
- 09:02:51 [jesus2099]
- Uzbek releases don’t need to be consistent with USA releases for instance, you knwo
- 09:03:14 [jesus2099]
- It’s already consistent enough as being in the same VA artist, just the ArtistCredit potential is used
- 09:03:53 [reosarevok]
- I think the point is that the user doesn't care in what non-printed language it "should" be, but that it is various artists, and as such a Japanese person might want to see "オムニバス" in *all* VA releases, and an English person Various Artists
- 09:04:16 [reosarevok]
- Sadly, we still haven't managed to use aliases for that. Hopefully soon :/
- 09:04:38 [jesus2099]
- in the mean time I don’t see reason to remove オムニバス
- 09:04:42 [KRSCuan]
- Yep, I think aliases are better for this, in the case of VA releases.
- 09:05:46 [jesus2099]
- KRSCuan: what you say is not there yet
- 09:05:54 [jesus2099]
- then no need to remove stuff now
- 09:06:37 [jesus2099]
- And we should have anyway the setting of always display what’s printed instead of localised stuff in that future setting imo
- 09:06:56 [jesus2099]
- (when there is something printed)
- 09:08:13 [jesus2099]
- KRSCuan: you try to remove stuff from VA but did you fix the VA country argentian→× ? :p
- 09:08:34 [KRSCuan]
- We have 1943 VA releases with lang:jpn, 129 of which use オムニバス as a credit.
- 09:09:01 [KRSCuan]
- So changing it to VA is also more consistent with other Japanese compilations.
- 09:09:13 [jesus2099]
- KRSCuan: AC is new
- 09:09:29 [jesus2099]
- most releases date from before or from non-japanese editors
- 09:09:47 [jesus2099]
- you don’t give me good reasons IMO
- 09:09:51 [jesus2099]
- :)
- 09:10:20 [jesus2099]
- it’s not because « hey most guys are doing wrong things » or used to do or anything like that that we should do same same imo
- 09:10:38 [jesus2099]
- as long as there is no problem using ArtistCredit, as it is made including for that pirpose
- 09:11:34 [KRSCuan]
- How common is "さまざまなアーティスト"?
- 09:12:03 [jesus2099]
- less
- 09:12:11 [jesus2099]
- far less
- 09:12:23 [jesus2099]
- (based on street store experience)
- 09:12:30 [jesus2099]
- but they exist too
- 09:12:43 [jesus2099]
- I guess Various Artists is not the only stuff in english world either
- 09:12:49 [jesus2099]
- it’s the most common maybe
- 09:12:56 [jesus2099]
- like オムニバス
- 09:15:27 [jesus2099]
- reosarevok: I recently saw a jokipi_bot edit based on plain text found on an anonymously edited wiki page (discogs) instead of on its picture scan for instance. I feel just about so so about typo copying. adding discogs URL is OK but not copying stuff from there without cross checking with some serious links in those cross checks
- 09:15:57 [jesus2099]
- we don’t NEED to fill up MB with unchecked data
- 09:15:59 [reosarevok]
- That's why the edits are left open (when the system allows it)
- 09:16:39 [jesus2099]
- 1000000 open unchecked edits = edits are not checked anyway
- 09:16:44 [KRSCuan]
- I also saw some recent merges based on shared Discogs links, which were often just incorrectly set.
- 09:16:51 [jesus2099]
- if it’s a program it shouldn’t add unchecked edits
- 09:16:54 [reosarevok]
- Merges are not via bot
- 09:16:59 [reosarevok]
- So that's different
- 09:17:16 [reosarevok]
- Edits, bot or not, are checked only if voters care about an artist
- 09:17:25 [reosarevok]
- So they'll be checked anyway for those, and ignored anyway for the rest
- 09:17:27 [KRSCuan]
- Nope, but probably using the same input data and not enough checking.
- 09:17:34 [KRSCuan]
- Just done manually.
- 09:17:40 [reosarevok]
- Exactly as they would be if done by an user
- 09:18:17 [reosarevok]
- For the merges, I kinda agree, though - that's riskier
- 09:20:11 [jesus2099]
- reosarevok: the difference is that no user will manually add 1000000 unchecked edits
- 09:20:42 [reosarevok]
- Heh
- 09:21:06 [reosarevok]
- The bot is probably limited to 1k open edits at a time
- 09:21:26 [reosarevok]
- which means people like drsaunde and me probably still make more than that
- 09:21:29 [jesus2099]
- * jesus2099 rephrases
- 09:21:32 [jesus2099]
- reosarevok: the difference is that no user will manually add 1000 unchecked edits
- 09:21:43 [reosarevok]
- (so, depends what "unchecked" is)
- 09:22:13 [jesus2099]
- unchecked means you direclty copy stuff from unreliable anonymously edited source rather than from your record or from an official source or from multiple sources
- 09:22:16 [reosarevok]
- (based on discogs info? I bet we've all done if there's nothing better. admittedly, we *do* look at images when they're there
- 09:22:18 [reosarevok]
- )
- 09:22:26 [jesus2099]
- not the bots
- 09:22:38 [jesus2099]
- that’s what I mean
- 09:22:54 [reosarevok]
- Yeah
- 09:23:14 [reosarevok]
- If our data quality didn't suck and people actually used it, we could restrict bots and tell them not to edit high-quality stuff
- 09:23:30 [reosarevok]
- (for the rest, they're muuuuch more likely to help than hurt)
- 09:23:34 [reosarevok]
- Sadly, it does :(
- 09:23:38 [reosarevok]
- (suck)
- 09:23:53 [reosarevok]
- So we would be restricting the bots *and* the users
- 09:24:00 [reosarevok]
- Via random edit failures
- 09:25:28 [marco-oliveira]
- marco-oliveira has joined #musicbrainz
- 09:25:34 [jesus2099]
- « they're muuuuch more likely to help than hurt » no because we don’t need those datas so much
- 09:25:54 [jesus2099]
- we shouldn’t strive for the quantity
- 09:26:04 [jesus2099]
- or at least bots shouldn’t
- 09:26:24 [marco_oliveira]
- marco_oliveira has joined #musicbrainz
- 09:26:26 [reosarevok]
- Yes we should, if we had a way to mark very verified data
- 09:26:40 [reosarevok]
- Since we do not at the moment, I'm on the fence
- 09:26:53 [jesus2099]
- Let’s take an example if a wrong barcode is insterted, I coming with my real release will create a new release next to it because the barcode is not the same
- 09:27:08 [reosarevok]
- But really, what I've seen from bots is much better from what I've seen from a lot of editors
- 09:27:28 [jesus2099]
- the only better part of their edits is that they always write edit notes
- 09:28:02 [jesus2099]
- but I do like their edits when there is no problems like when they just add links etc. as long as they don’t touch the data itself
- 09:29:42 [KRSCuan]
- What happened to JeroenBot?
- 09:30:03 [KRSCuan]
- Which used to copy lots of Discogs credits to MBz relationships.
- 09:35:19 [reosarevok]
- It stopped doing so
- 09:35:25 [reosarevok]
- Probably because Jeroen left?
- 09:35:26 [reosarevok]
- Dunno
- 09:39:07 [jcazevedo]
- jcazevedo has joined #musicbrainz
- 09:40:08 [KRSCuan]
- Did anyone extend on it? I think the code was on Github or some place like that.
- 09:42:27 [_5moufl]
- _5moufl has joined #musicbrainz
- 09:42:27 [_5moufl]
- _5moufl has joined #musicbrainz
- 09:45:38 [reosarevok]
- no idea
- 09:45:44 [reosarevok]
- I know Jokipii_bot can do it too anyway
- 09:59:38 [KRSCuan]
- Those merges based on same Discogs page start to tick me off.
- 10:01:17 [reosarevok]
- Ask him to stop doing them?
- 10:01:48 [KRSCuan]
- Maybe 80–90% are okay with no changes needed.
- 10:03:52 [reosarevok]
- Then tell him
- 10:04:05 [reosarevok]
- I've found him to be a pretty reasonable person anyway
- 10:04:26 [reosarevok]
- If you explain the issues I guess he would just stop (and probably put all cases in a wiki page so they can be checked)
- 10:06:20 [KRSCuan]
- Already told him on some edits. Maybe I should come up with some ideas to make those merges more reliable.
- 10:08:39 [reosarevok]
- http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Talk:Indexed_Search_Syntax wtf
- 10:08:48 [reosarevok]
- Why are talk pages in the doc area
- 10:09:00 [reosarevok]
- navap ^ shouldn't we stop showing that?
- 10:33:36 [jesus2099]
- jesus2099 has joined #musicbrainz
- 10:34:18 [jesus2099]
- reosarevok KRSCuan : I’ve also told individual bots individual concerns I had on some edits but it’s endless stuff doing so
- 10:34:18 [jesus2099]
- I think we should have a BOT section in the CodeOfConduct instead
- 10:38:36 [praest76]
- praest76 has joined #musicbrainz
- 10:42:53 [jesus2099]
- like « IF YOU ARE A BOT » section :D
- 10:43:19 [ocharles]
- reosarevok: because we currently filter things out of /doc/, rather than filtering things *in*
- 10:43:27 [ocharles]
- are there any other namespaces we do want in /doc?
- 10:45:31 [reosarevok]
- I guess MetaBrainz (but that's it's own doc, I guess) and Category and maybe Template for now... but since navap was the one looking at those, I'd like his opinion
- 10:45:39 [reosarevok]
- Talk just seems wrong, though
- 10:46:25 [ocharles]
- warp: did you see http://electronicexplorations.bandcamp.com/ ?
- 10:48:46 [KRSCuan]
- [11:08:13] <jesus2099> KRSCuan: you try to remove stuff from VA but did you fix the VA country argentian→× ? :p ← Indeed I tried, but I can't.
- 10:49:00 [KRSCuan]
- Damn, he's gone. :\
- 10:49:18 [warp]
- ocharles: I saw a tweet about it
- 10:49:56 [derr84]
- I thought the word "about" shouldn't be capitalized in titles...
- 10:53:25 [reosarevok]
- Yeah, nobody can fix that without database access :(
- 10:53:37 [reosarevok]
- (the VA country)
- 10:56:35 [KRSCuan]
- Probably the result of some merge, eh?
- 10:58:55 [reosarevok]
- Yeah
- 11:01:49 [CatCat]
- [10:58] jesus2099KRSCuan: ArtistCredit is new and the advantage has not been taken everywhere yet probably
- 11:01:50 [CatCat]
- +1
- 11:02:44 [KRSCuan]
- But not for translating "Various Artists" into x languages, IMO.
- 11:03:35 [KRSCuan]
- And hardly any VA releases even have "Various Artists" or equivalent written anywhere on them.
- 11:05:12 [CatCat]
- so why not use the language equivilent
- 11:05:31 [CatCat]
- norwegian would have "diverse artister"
- 11:07:56 [reosarevok]
- And what would you use for a release which is half German, half French? :p
- 11:08:08 [reosarevok]
- One word in each language? :p
- 11:11:35 [CatCat]
- no idea, what would people use?
- 11:11:54 [CatCat]
- just use various artist
- 11:11:58 [CatCat]
- or whatever
- 11:12:24 [reosarevok]
- Well, I don't know what people would use
- 11:12:34 [reosarevok]
- Probably "VA" in their own language
- 11:12:39 [reosarevok]
- (thus, aliases)
- 11:16:54 [KRSCuan]
- And if you have Norwegian, German and Japanese compilations, would you name them "diverse artister", "Verschiedene Interpreten" and "オムニバス" respectively?
- 11:30:29 [pankkake]
- pankkake has joined #musicbrainz
- 11:31:30 [dimonov]
- dimonov has joined #musicbrainz
- 11:37:55 [derr84]
- there are 2 perf.names by an artist. but his legal name is unknown, only his first name. how should I link the two entities? :)
- 11:39:56 [ijabz_]
- ijabz_ has joined #musicbrainz
- 11:41:05 [CatCat]
- KRSCuan: possibly
- 11:41:20 [CatCat]
- derr84: use artis cretis?
- 11:41:24 [CatCat]
- duno
- 11:41:31 [CatCat]
- hard tosay withouth concrete example
- 11:42:32 [KRSCuan]
- CatCat: But those credits for VA are nowhere on the releases (or not on most of them), they are just what a music store assigns to them.
- 11:43:19 [KRSCuan]
- And those can be inconsistent for even a single store.
- 11:44:03 [KRSCuan]
- E.g. amazon.fr has some VA compilations listed under "Multi Interprètes", "Collectif" etc.
- 11:44:34 [KRSCuan]
- And those are the only place where they are written out.
- 11:49:52 [reosarevok]
- derr84: that case is annoying
- 11:50:00 [warp]
- artist credits are supposed to capture how something is credited. using "Diverse Artiesten" for a VA release is fine, IF that is how it is credited on the release.
- 11:50:15 [KRSCuan]
- Argentine as VA's country comes from http://musicbrainz.org/edit/16654771 and http://musicbrainz.org/edit/17068468.
- 11:50:33 [reosarevok]
- derr84, If you have some info, you *could* create a "legal name" artist only with the name (and a disambiguation comment)
- 11:50:36 [warp]
- so in most cases it should just be the regular VA, because releases generally don't list VA as an artist.
- 11:51:07 [reosarevok]
- derr84: some people just link one to the other when they don't have a legal name at all, and some just add a link to the other one in the annotation
- 11:51:08 [derr84]
- Alex (smth)... so strange))
- 11:51:34 [reosarevok]
- (since linking the two is technically false since none are a "legal name"
- 11:51:35 [reosarevok]
- )
- 11:55:27 [derr84]
- reosarevok: may be to put two perf. names in the disambiguation? - Alex (One, Two)
- 11:55:36 [reosarevok]
- Guess so
- 11:55:41 [reosarevok]
- I mean, none of the options are ideal
- 11:55:42 [reosarevok]
- But...
- 12:05:02 [outsidecontext]
- outsidecontext has joined #musicbrainz
- 12:21:05 [outsidecontext]
- outsidecontext has joined #musicbrainz
- 12:37:53 [CatCat]
- [13:47] warpartist credits are supposed to capture how something is credited. using "Diverse Artiesten" for a VA release is fine, IF that is how it is credited on the release.
- 12:37:55 [CatCat]
- This
- 12:38:34 [reosarevok]
- Sure
- 12:38:50 [reosarevok]
- But a veeery small amount of VA releases have a "VA" credit
- 12:39:00 [reosarevok]
- (the few that do have it printed, sure, use it)
- 12:39:16 [CatCat]
- wich is why i'm agaisnt changing "artist credits" but individual releases is fine
- 12:39:17 [KRSCuan]
- I don't see this being the case on the small set of Omnibus ones I checked.
- 12:39:18 [noobie]
- noobie has joined #musicbrainz
- 12:39:18 [noobie]
- noobie has joined #musicbrainz
- 12:39:31 [KRSCuan]
- Though they have Omnibus on amazon.jp
- 12:39:58 [CatCat]
- amazon jp could probably be trusted :o if not ,what is magical DB syin?
- 12:40:00 [CatCat]
- if it is
- 12:40:28 [CatCat]
- also can't we get someoento fix the VA artist argentinian
- 12:40:31 [CatCat]
- it's a disgrace
- 12:40:40 [CatCat]
- ruaok or someone with direct accses
- 12:40:47 [CatCat]
- als i have a bug on it
- 12:41:32 [KRSCuan]
- KRSCuan has left #musicbrainz
- 12:41:43 [KRSCuan]
- KRSCuan has joined #musicbrainz
- 12:42:14 [Leftmost]
- Leftmost has joined #musicbrainz
- 12:42:14 [Leftmost]
- Leftmost has joined #musicbrainz
- 12:50:58 [voiceinsideyou]
- voiceinsideyou has joined #musicbrainz
- 12:56:01 [Leftmost]
- Leftmost has joined #musicbrainz
- 12:56:01 [Leftmost]
- Leftmost has joined #musicbrainz
- 12:59:33 [xplt]
- xplt has joined #musicbrainz
- 13:08:06 [derr84]
- May I use "a.k.a." as a join phrase in credits? so it appears on the album cover - http://musicbrainz.org/release/786097bd-25d8-492a-a9db-82dd3dceee07/cover-art
- 13:15:00 [reosarevok]
- Guess so
- 13:16:01 [KRSCuan]
- I just noticed that Picard switched back to single-key shortcuts for some functions, but left Ctrl +some other key for others.
- 13:16:08 [KRSCuan]
- Who had that awkward idea? :\
- 13:21:37 [derr84]
- reosarevok: another 2 variations: to put "Whiteman the Blacksoul a.k.a. Kid Kudzo" in Artist as credited or to put "a.k.a. Kid Kudzo" in Join phrase...
- 13:27:09 [KRSCuan]
- Odd, I don't see any recent change to the shortcuts in https://github.com/musicbrainz/picard/blob/master/picard/ui/mainwindow.py
- 13:27:39 [navap]
- reosarevok: I think MeB shouldn't be accessible from /doc (on MB.org that is)
- 13:27:56 [Jokipii]
- Jokipii has joined #musicbrainz
- 13:28:11 [navap]
- I'm in the US right now and about to leaver my wifi hotspot
- 13:35:41 [xplt]
- xplt has joined #musicbrainz
- 13:39:38 [Jokipii]
- Jokipii has joined #musicbrainz
- 13:41:31 [reosarevok]
- navap: sure, I didn't know how that worked
- 13:42:32 [reosarevok]
- navap: what namespaces would you keep?
- 13:49:58 [jcazevedo]
- jcazevedo has joined #musicbrainz
- 13:52:25 [voiceinsideyou]
- voiceinsideyou has joined #musicbrainz
- 14:05:58 [Freso]
- Freso has joined #musicbrainz
- 14:06:29 [Freso]
- Should I add http://dialekten.bandcamp.com/track/dialekten-farvel-pia as a single, or just as a recording?
- 14:23:07 [KRSCuan]
- Now I see what caused the shortcut changes and why it applied both on Windows and Linux: the German l10n for Picard is utterly broken.
- 14:23:40 [kepstin-work]
- Freso: I think a single would make sense
- 14:23:55 [Freso]
- kepstin-work: Yeah. I had just decided on going that route. :p
- 14:26:10 [kepstin-work]
- hmm, I guess my response wasn't particularly timely :)
- 14:29:39 [KRSCuan]
- http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5645/foo3.png
- 14:30:09 [KRSCuan]
- The actual window size is 4620x316.
- 14:30:53 [kepstin-work]
- lol
- 14:30:59 [KRSCuan]
- But I don't have enough horizontal space.
- 14:31:04 [kepstin-work]
- well, file a ticket against picard
- 14:31:24 [kepstin-work]
- if you want, go to the transifex project and help fix the translation
- 14:32:18 [Prophet5]
- Prophet5 has joined #musicbrainz
- 14:38:08 [Freso]
- kepstin-work: http://musicbrainz.org/release/84d60334-ddbc-4659-9515-db1b4f61f47b
- 14:38:09 [KRSCuan]
- I assume the key bindings don't work because Qt doesn't know what a Strg key is. >__>
- 14:38:17 [Freso]
- I don't think I can make that entry any more complete. :p
- 14:38:39 [kepstin-work]
- Freso: heh
- 14:40:51 [Mineo]
- KRSCuan: humhumxx already fixed the translation in transifex
- 14:41:47 [KRSCuan]
- Saw that, but it's still bad that this made it into 1.0.
- 14:42:10 [kepstin-work]
- I guess we need translation reviewers :)
- 14:42:21 [KRSCuan]
- And Ctrl→Strg is still translated where it shouldn't.
- 14:42:57 [KRSCuan]
- At least now I know what caused this weirdness.
- 14:44:07 [kepstin-work]
- why are those even translatable, if they're used internally to set the keybindings :/
- 14:44:42 [KRSCuan]
- This happened to me before with some package update.
- 14:45:02 [KRSCuan]
- The changed keybindings.
- 14:45:41 [KRSCuan]
- Back then I thought someone intentionally changed that for usability reasons or whatever.
- 14:53:15 [Freso]
- Is the cover art archive people going to accept PDFs anytime soon?
- 14:53:21 [Freso]
- *Are
- 14:54:02 [ocharles]
- There are no plans at the moment
- 14:54:10 [ocharles]
- that's as much as I can tell you
- 14:54:11 [Leftmost]
- Leftmost has joined #musicbrainz
- 14:54:15 [ocharles]
- (and as much as I know)
- 14:54:44 [Freso]
- Ah well.
- 14:55:03 [Freso]
- Any recommended JPG quality settings when converting a PDF to JPG?
- 14:55:22 [kepstin-work]
- Freso: it depends a lot on the pdf
- 14:55:39 [kepstin-work]
- some pdfs actually just have jpgs embedded, and you can extract them directly.
- 14:55:54 [kepstin-work]
- others have vector art and text, and there is no way to make a good-looking jpg from that.
- 14:56:17 [Freso]
- kepstin-work: Except for, say, open it up in GIMP and export to JPG? :)
- 14:56:20 [the_metalgamer]
- the_metalgamer has joined #musicbrainz
- 14:56:49 [Freso]
- GIMP has read all PDFs I've thrown at it so far just fine.
- 14:57:34 [kepstin-work]
- Freso: oh, the image you get in the gimp will look fine, it's just the jpg compression when you save it that'll be an issue.
- 14:57:54 [kepstin-work]
- * kepstin-work notes that turning the jpg quality over 95% in the gimp is generally ill-advised.
- 14:58:24 [Freso]
- So what I'm asking is - 70%, 80%, 90%, 100% quality? Progressive, non-progressive, whichever takes up less space?
- 14:58:46 [kepstin-work]
- don't ever progressive encode, and you want to stay around 90-95% quality.
- 14:58:47 [Freso]
- kepstin-work: Ah, I see. Well, I don't that'll be an issue with this one. I'll find out soon enough. :)
- 14:59:33 [kepstin-work]
- when converting the pdf to jpg, I recommend doing so at 300dpi, in order to get a comparable scale to most scans.
- 15:04:57 [DarkerAudit]
- DarkerAudit has joined #musicbrainz
- 15:12:04 [kepstin-work]
- kepstin-work has joined #musicbrainz
- 15:20:14 [jacobbrett]
- jacobbrett has joined #musicbrainz
- 15:28:18 [Vorpal]
- Vorpal has joined #musicbrainz
- 15:29:11 [Freso]
- kepstin-work: Thank you for your hints on the JPG.
- 15:54:45 [vinci]
- vinci has joined #musicbrainz
- 16:10:10 [vinci]
- vinci has joined #musicbrainz
- 16:10:20 [CatCat]
- [16:55] *kepstin-work notes that turning the jpg quality over 95% in the gimp is generally ill-advised.
- 16:10:22 [CatCat]
- erh why?
- 16:10:31 [CatCat]
- why would 100% not be good?
- 16:10:43 [CatCat]
- [16:55] kepstin-workand you want to stay around 90-95% quality.
- 16:10:52 [kepstin-work]
- well, the 100% quality mode can actually make images have negative compression with jpeg
- 16:10:59 [kepstin-work]
- and really doesn't look much better than around 95%
- 16:11:00 [CatCat]
- ?
- 16:11:09 [kepstin-work]
- CatCat: the image gets *bigger*
- 16:13:16 [kepstin-work]
- (besides, 100% jpeg isn't lossless anyways, due to the colour-space conversion and chroma downsampling.)
- 16:14:56 [warp]
- Freso: I just use "convert -density 300 foo.pdf foo.jpg" (so I'm using the imagemagick commandline tools on linux).
- 16:15:26 [Freso]
- warp: Ah, nice. I'll try and remember to poke you about that next time. ;)
- 16:16:11 [pankkake]
- I wasn't aware convert could convert pdf! nice
- 16:16:22 [Freso]
- warp: I'd prefer to do it CLI, but didn't think of using imagemagick or another suite, and I couldn't find a "pdf2jpg" to install. :p
- 16:18:48 [Freso]
- Btw, remasters are new release groups, right?
- 16:19:10 [kepstin-work]
- Freso: generally the same release group
- 16:19:14 [warp]
- Freso: I wouldn't normally consider those to be new release groups. it's the same album, just a different version.
- 16:19:23 [Freso]
- Alright.
- 16:20:04 [warp]
- ofcourse it is somewhat subjective whether the changes are significant enough to warrant a seperate entry in the artist's discography :)
- 16:21:08 [kepstin-work]
- the remasters are *usually* just a reason to do another re-release of an album to get money by selling it again to the same people :)
- 16:21:16 [Freso]
- http://musicbrainz.org/edit/18048089
- 16:21:52 [kepstin-work]
- * kepstin-work has yet to hear a remaster that actually sounded significantly better enough that he'd prefer it over the original - although he doesn't doubt that some exist somewhere.
- 16:22:14 [vinci]
- vinci has joined #musicbrainz
- 16:22:34 [kepstin-work]
- I'm annoyed that a remaster of the dire straits - brothers in arms album even exists
- 16:22:45 [kepstin-work]
- the original release was one of the best-mastered cds I've ever seen
- 16:22:48 [Freso]
- kepstin-work: I think this one is to get some of the production rights from their previous major label over to their (then) new independent, self-owned label.
- 16:23:18 [kepstin-work]
- no doubt that in the newest version of brothers in arms they just cranked up the gain and added compression so that it sounds the same volume as other modern releases
- 16:23:36 [kepstin-work]
- (the original one would be rather quiet next to anything from the last 10 years)
- 16:42:06 [tri_marianaaf]
- hey guys: http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/itunes-session/id535673664
- 16:42:10 [tri_marianaaf]
- album+live right?
- 16:42:52 [reosarevok]
- Well, no idea what an iTunes Session is
- 16:42:56 [uptown]
- uptown has joined #musicbrainz
- 16:42:59 [reosarevok]
- If it's a live, then yes :p
- 16:43:14 [tri_marianaaf]
- ;)
- 16:44:11 [uptown]
- uptown has left #musicbrainz
- 16:44:29 [uptown]
- uptown has joined #musicbrainz
- 17:18:17 [voiceinsideyou]
- voiceinsideyou has joined #musicbrainz
- 17:24:40 [voiceinsideyou1]
- voiceinsideyou1 has joined #musicbrainz
- 17:26:13 [voiceinsideyou]
- voiceinsideyou has joined #musicbrainz
- 17:26:31 [uptown]
- uptown has left #musicbrainz
- 17:32:31 [jacobbrett]
- tri_marianaaf: Maybe EP over album? It's a bit grey.
- 17:32:37 [koppacetic]
- koppacetic has joined #musicbrainz
- 17:34:51 [jmvanel]
- jmvanel has joined #musicbrainz
- 18:11:23 [CatCat]
- kepstin-work: remasters that adds "loudness"
- 18:11:26 [CatCat]
- :shudder:
- 18:11:47 [kepstin-work]
- CatCat: that's most of them, really... :/
- 18:12:08 [CatCat]
- yea
- 18:12:34 [CatCat]
- what annoy me the most thoguh is people adding new recordings of "remasters" that really don't soudn any differnt
- 18:12:42 [CatCat]
- (wich is almsot all fo them)
- 18:13:07 [CatCat]
- now remix on the other hand
- 18:14:50 [CatCat]
- * CatCat owns http://musicbrainz.org/release/e35d48cf-315b-44b8-8855-2b9dda474c50
- 18:14:50 [derr84]
- Is a Language in "Release Information" a language of an album title or a language of tracks titles?
- 18:15:05 [reosarevok]
- derr84: of all
- 18:15:08 [CatCat]
- you can actually heard the differnce between originals and the mixed disc
- 18:15:11 [reosarevok]
- (titles)
- 18:15:23 [kepstin-work]
- derr84: language of all titles *and* artist credits.
- 18:15:24 [CatCat]
- but the "remastered" one sounds no differnt than http://musicbrainz.org/release/d5d99301-4d91-4828-a3c4-fdef9c42ed85
- 18:15:28 [CatCat]
- (wich i also own)
- 18:15:46 [CatCat]
- or http://musicbrainz.org/release/8d368325-73ef-426a-9f96-b466ce059744 I forget
- 18:16:29 [CatCat]
- kepstin-work, derr84, thoguh the artist credits are the new thing so soem releases aren't fixed yet
- 18:25:07 [derr84]
- all track titles in Ukrainian, only album title in English. what language should I choose? multi?
- 18:28:57 [reosarevok]
- Probably Ukrainia
- 18:28:58 [reosarevok]
- n
- 18:34:37 [kepstin-work]
- derr84: yeah, use the predominant/most common language in cases like that.
- 18:42:20 [adhawkins]
- adhawkins has joined #musicbrainz
- 18:44:41 [JoeLlama]
- JoeLlama has joined #musicbrainz
- 18:52:11 [JoeLlama]
- JoeLlama has joined #musicbrainz
- 18:52:15 [JoeLlama]
- JoeLlama has joined #musicbrainz
- 18:54:59 [DWSR]
- Any userscript devs in here?
- 18:55:58 [kepstin-work]
- DWSR: if you have a question, just ask it. people will either answer, or they won't.
- 18:56:06 [DWSR]
- kepstin-work: I don't, particularly.
- 18:56:11 [ijabz]
- ijabz has joined #musicbrainz
- 18:56:15 [DWSR]
- I need some resources for learning to write them.
- 18:56:23 [DWSR]
- So, I either have all the questions.
- 18:56:27 [DWSR]
- Or none at all. :P
- 18:56:55 [kepstin-work]
- well, the userscripts themselves are simply javascript code that runs in the context of the web page.
- 18:57:08 [kepstin-work]
- so you'd want to start with learning about javascript web programming in general.
- 18:58:21 [DWSR]
- kepstin-work: Well yea.h
- 18:58:28 [DWSR]
- But there's certain caveats to userscripts in general.
- 18:59:25 [kepstin-work]
- hmm, not really... there can be issues if you want to load in extra javascript libraries, I suppose. But most of the issues people run into are just ordinary javascript browser compatibility problems.
- 19:02:37 [CatCat]
- http://musicbrainz.org/edit/18000375
- 19:02:53 [CatCat]
- it's good i have nikki
- 19:02:55 [CatCat]
- :)
- 19:07:44 [MightyJay]
- MightyJay has joined #musicbrainz
- 19:10:29 [KRSCuan]
- I've been asked if there is an ETA for Picard 1.0.1 already.
- 19:10:41 [DWSR]
- rofl
- 19:10:46 [DWSR]
- 1.0 was a massive update.
- 19:11:00 [reosarevok]
- Yeah, but 1.0 has problems in German
- 19:11:01 [DWSR]
- Though Picard really needs to handle disk I/O better.
- 19:11:08 [reosarevok]
- So it needs a hotfix
- 19:11:19 [reosarevok]
- (at least for German users)
- 19:11:31 [kepstin-work]
- * kepstin-work has been running git snapshots of picard for quite a while, so he didn't see any large massive updates - just a series of small updates :)
- 19:12:11 [MightyJay]
- Hey all! I have a question about the cover archive. What can we use as sources for images for the archive? Can I just get anything from the internet and use it. More specifically, I normally get my cover art from http://www.albumartexchange.com that host a great collection of high quality album art (front only). But since they don't own the copyright, can I just get cover art from there?
- 19:12:16 [MightyJay]
- (And is it "moral", since the users there spend much time in creating the best available cover art)
- 19:12:38 [kepstin-work]
- MightyJay: we don't care where you get the cover art from.
- 19:12:43 [DWSR]
- Picard needs to deal with disk I/O a little better. I'm trying to parse a 10k file selection over CIFS and good christ Picard keeps failing.
- 19:12:50 [DWSR]
- MightyJay: It's covered under fair use.
- 19:13:04 [kepstin-work]
- DWSR: I have no issue with that many files over NFS.
- 19:13:05 [MightyJay]
- Ok, great! Thanks
- 19:13:11 [DWSR]
- NFS != CIFS.
- 19:13:23 [kepstin-work]
- quite. stop using microsoft stuff ;)
- 19:13:32 [DWSR]
- kepstin-work: Write an NFS compatibility layer for Windows.
- 19:13:33 [ianmcorvidae]
- yes, we're pointing out that you're using a stupid system, hence your stupid results :)
- 19:13:39 [DWSR]
- ianmcorvidae: Not at all.
- 19:14:05 [kepstin-work]
- DWSR: there actually is one, in the 'windows services for unix' package, made by microsoft. Never really worked all that well, as far as I know.
- 19:14:06 [ianmcorvidae]
- or at the very least why we don't care
- 19:14:07 [KRSCuan]
- Last time I loaded that many releases into Picard, I/O performance was the slightest problem.
- 19:14:21 [jcazevedo]
- jcazevedo has joined #musicbrainz
- 19:14:23 [DWSR]
- http://sagehacks.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/howto-mount-nfs-shares-under-windows-7/ <--
- 19:14:24 [DWSR]
- Oh.
- 19:14:25 [DWSR]
- Holy shit.
- 19:14:43 [kepstin-work]
- the real limit of working with lots of files in picard is usually waiting for the webservice :/
- 19:14:44 [Mineo]
- KRSCuan: 10k releases != 10k files :-)
- 19:14:56 [the_metalgamer]
- the_metalgamer has joined #musicbrainz
- 19:15:19 [DWSR]
- KRSCuan: The problem is that I'm trying to clean my library.
- 19:15:23 [kepstin-work]
- huh. I bet windows doesn't support NFS4 tho :)
- 19:15:26 [DWSR]
- So it's trying to do lookups.
- 19:15:35 [DWSR]
- kepstin-work: I'll be happy with any NFS.
- 19:15:38 [DWSR]
- kepstin-work: NFS >>>>> CIFS.
- 19:15:42 [kepstin-work]
- * kepstin-work notes that NFS4 over gigabit is, when properly tuned, wicked fast.
- 19:15:46 [DWSR]
- Especially since I'm doing it through Samba.
- 19:15:51 [KRSCuan]
- It was something between 700 and 1000 releases with 10k to 14k files.
- 19:16:47 [DWSR]
- well.
- 19:16:48 [DWSR]
- Look at that.
- 19:17:10 [kepstin-work]
- I occasionally have ran into an issue where picard would insist on resizing the padding in flac files, causing annoying file rewrites. but that doesn't happen that often.
- 19:18:52 [xplt]
- xplt has joined #musicbrainz
- 19:20:18 [DWSR]
- kepstin-work: Well, ty fortelling me that.
- 19:20:32 [DWSR]
- Quadrupled my I/O.
- 19:25:32 [CatCat]
- what the hell is I/O
- 19:25:50 [reosarevok]
- input/output
- 19:25:57 [CatCat]
- aha
- 19:26:41 [CatCat]
- btw i don't see how http://www.realworldrecords.com/artists/juju shouldn't be split, i see that has being under the artist "Justin Adams & Juldeh Camara"
- 19:26:46 [CatCat]
- artists*
- 19:26:54 [CatCat]
- i don't understood what yo umeant
- 19:27:22 [reosarevok]
- Well, they had a collaboration-band with their real names, that turned into a band-band as JuJu
- 19:27:42 [reosarevok]
- You could split the previous ones and leave the JuJu one as the only release for the band
- 19:27:53 [CatCat]
- well that band band shouls be separate then?
- 19:27:54 [reosarevok]
- But that seems like little gain compared to having them all in one page
- 19:28:00 [CatCat]
- idk
- 19:28:21 [CatCat]
- or have artist "juju" in those? if it is i don't know
- 19:28:40 [reosarevok]
- People, opinions? :)
- 19:28:47 [reosarevok]
- (on how to deal with collab-turned-band)
- 19:28:47 [CatCat]
- like http://musicbrainz.org/release/b6a9dd16-7332-4533-95ce-bfd39b283b33 idk :)
- 19:28:55 [CatCat]
- yea, seems an iritating issue
- 19:29:08 [CatCat]
- only other thing i can think of is "ju" as one guy and the other "ju" as the other
- 19:29:27 [CatCat]
- which would *work* but
- 19:30:11 [reosarevok]
- Yeah, but :)
- 19:30:28 [reosarevok]
- (and it would only work here because the name happens to be based on their names...)
- 19:30:47 [CatCat]
- edit in question :http://musicbrainz.org/edit/17996479
- 19:30:52 [CatCat]
- (t oany lurkers)
- 19:40:10 [derr84]
- derr84 has joined #musicbrainz
- 19:57:58 [ocharles]
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1zxDa3t0fg&feature=youtu.be ouch :/
- 19:58:56 [derr84]
- how to mark bonus tracks in tracklisting?
- 19:59:09 [reosarevok]
- We usually don't
- 19:59:37 [derr84]
- like here http://www.discogs.com/L�k-Tourist-Zone/release/1847520
- 19:59:46 [derr84]
- and video?
- 20:00:03 [derr84]
- not include?
- 20:04:01 [reosarevok]
- Usually for CDs we don't include it
- 20:04:15 [reosarevok]
- But you could add it as a standalone recording, and link to it from the annotation
- 20:04:36 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok grumbles at mosquitos
- 20:05:00 [ianweller]
- i had a digital media bonus track a while back, the bonus track hinged on how much you paid for the album
- 20:05:15 [ianweller]
- of course when you were buying you knew that up front
- 20:05:31 [ianweller]
- but anyway, i added two releases to the same group, one with the bonus track
- 20:05:35 [ianweller]
- i don't know if that's "right" but
- 20:08:51 [reosarevok]
- ianweller: that sounds right
- 20:09:19 [reosarevok]
- What we don't do is not adding the tracks, but marking them like (bonus track) or whatever
- 20:10:08 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok plays Oliveros, hopes the flatmate doesn't come like "did your speakers break"
- 20:11:35 [ijabz]
- ijabz has joined #musicbrainz
- 20:22:56 [reosarevok]
- Huh, hadn't heard Google bought Meebo
- 20:29:23 [kepstin-work]
- and now they shut it down, eh?
- 20:30:23 [reosarevok]
- Yeah
- 20:30:37 [reosarevok]
- I mean, I haven't used it in two years I guess
- 20:30:38 [reosarevok]
- but still
- 20:32:23 [buremba_]
- buremba_ has joined #musicbrainz
- 20:34:19 [ocharles]
- that was fairly recently
- 20:35:11 [kepstin-work]
- yay, shaved ice with fruits.
- 20:35:22 [kepstin-work]
- * kepstin-work is annoyed at broken air conditioner again
- 20:35:52 [ocharles]
- i read that as "shaved irc" at first :|
- 20:36:04 [ianweller]
- the best kind of irc
- 20:37:14 [reosarevok]
- Why Estonia why
- 20:37:35 [reosarevok]
- Oh, we have three months of nice weather, let's have so many mosquitos you can't enjoy it anyway
- 21:06:13 [CatCat]
- reosarevok: we have 3 months of dsummer. it's spent raining
- 21:14:04 [the_metalgamer]
- the_metalgamer has joined #musicbrainz
- 21:17:23 [ijabz]
- ijabz has joined #musicbrainz
- 21:25:56 [navap]
- reosarevok: Other than Main, I would have thought we'd also allow Proposal. I see Proposal is blacklisted though.
- 21:26:11 [reosarevok]
- Why would we want Proposal in docs?
- 21:26:26 [reosarevok]
- Isn't docs' main point to only show official stuff?
- 21:26:39 [navap]
- It allows people to find proposals for tentative/future things if they use the google doc search
- 21:26:51 [navap]
- I don't know what it's supposed to do anymore :)
- 21:27:01 [reosarevok]
- We want to *hide* proposals :p
- 21:27:14 [reosarevok]
- I mean, well enough that people won't follow them as guidelines
- 21:27:21 [reosarevok]
- Which they like to do :p
- 21:27:38 [navap]
- Right, that makes sense
- 21:27:58 [navap]
- So then maybe we only need to have Main accessible on /doc
- 21:28:34 [navap]
- For User we redirect from /doc to the wiki itself. We could do that for the other namespaces as well
- 21:28:40 [navap]
- hm, what about Category
- 21:29:01 [navap]
- I don't find it useful personally, but others might object to its removal from /doc
- 21:30:06 [reosarevok]
- I think we have some stuff that's only listed under Category
- 21:32:28 [buremba_]
- I will use musicbrainz for my project and I will query like "return all recordings for a specific artist or album, (rows must contain release and artist columns for both case)" and it's not easy to handle with musicbrainz database schema. For example for artist, this is the query: http://pastebin.com/vEM1Sni3 (8 inner join :O) How can I make easy to handle these queries?
- 21:33:06 [buremba_]
- I thought solr can be a solution but I have only 1.5gb memory and I'm not sure whether it's enough or not.
- 21:33:23 [buremba_]
- because index size is larger than 3gb
- 21:36:26 [buremba_]
- the other solution is I can use another table which contains these columns and update it when I update the original database.
- 21:36:46 [kepstin-work]
- returning release columns for a recording doesn't really make sense, because a recording can be on multiple releases.
- 21:37:04 [kepstin-work]
- (or none, of course)
- 21:42:09 [buremba_]
- kepstin-work: you're right, but the query I posted was an example actually. and it still need many joins. :/
- 21:42:22 [buremba_]
- needs*
- 21:42:52 [kepstin-work]
- yeah, you will need a lot of joins when working with the musicbrainz schema. that's kind of expected.
- 21:45:33 [buremba_]
- yes, it's expected actually. we have to denormalize the database. and I'm not sure which way is the best.
- 21:46:15 [buremba_]
- because the database is huge and I don't have a powerful server.
- 22:58:02 [iliketurtles]
- iliketurtles has joined #musicbrainz
- 23:10:39 [MaskMaster]
- MaskMaster has joined #musicbrainz
- 23:12:09 [dankine]
- dankine has joined #musicbrainz