IRC log of musicbrainz on 2012-08-03

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03:57:10 [vincentrichter]
Probably an error on my end, but is anyone else getting a "502 Bad Gateway" error from just the search server?
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Sorry guys, I was checking the devel logs, apparently that answer would be "yes"
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hey wapr! that Van der ven guy impressed me, just a student and winning over a korean who is a professional archer
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warp*
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CatCat: olympics?
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bitmap: Are you here, Bitmap ?
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bitmap: nope, creating a topic in http://userscripts.org/topics/114980
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14:49:43 [jesus2099]
no one chatting here today ?
14:50:45 [jesus2099]
Shouldn’t an ASIN that has NO PIC and WRONG RELEASE DATE be removed ? http://musicbrainz.org/edit/18560654
14:53:25 [portik]
i'm curios about that too
14:55:45 [ocharles]
jesus2099: what's wrong about the release date?
14:55:50 [ocharles]
amazon is just more specific than we are
14:55:56 [jesus2099]
ocharles: it’s different than reality
14:56:05 [jesus2099]
isn’t it ?
14:56:06 [ocharles]
oh the year is wrong too
14:56:15 [ocharles]
so, what's the source for our year?
14:56:33 [jesus2099]
it’s well knwon
14:56:46 [jesus2099]
it’s the CD edition with bonus tracks (called the rykodisc edition)
14:56:53 [reosarevok]
ocharles: amazon dates are generally an unstrustable piece of shit
14:56:54 [jesus2099]
never has been 98
14:56:58 [ocharles]
reosarevok: I'm aware of that
14:57:03 [jesus2099]
I know too
14:57:06 [ocharles]
but "it's well known" is not evidence that's any better
14:57:10 [jesus2099]
it’s misleading keeping a shitty ASIN IMO
14:57:37 [jesus2099]
I’m OK to keep reasonably correct ASIN but not those craps…
14:57:53 [reosarevok]
jesus2099: if the barcode is the same, then it's still the right ASIN...
14:58:01 [jesus2099]
I’m sure someday one people will follow this ASIN and say « OMG I GOT TO FIX THAT DATE IN MB !  »
14:58:19 [reosarevok]
I doubt most people trust Amazon dates when there's anything else, really :p
14:58:28 [jesus2099]
reosarevok: what’s the point in having an ASIN for nothing correct and for several things incorrect ?
14:58:43 [reosarevok]
If the barcode is correct, then it's still the right one to buy it
14:58:54 [jesus2099]
You can’t buy it it’s out of stock for years
14:59:13 [jesus2099]
why giving amazon advzerdisement with nothing in return ?
15:00:09 [reosarevok]
It gives people a place to buy it (I see several used copies on sale there)
15:00:37 [reosarevok]
Oh, ffs, just how long can this tennis match be
15:00:45 [jesus2099]
It’s easy to find a David Bowie second hand disc, → why doing amazon free advertising ? ←
15:00:57 [ocharles]
reosarevok: who's playing atm?
15:01:00 [jesus2099]
it’s my only question
15:01:28 [reosarevok]
ocharles: Federer vs. del Potro
15:01:35 [ocharles]
ah
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15:01:56 [reosarevok]
Oh, derwin is not here so I can "spoiler" :p
15:04:44 [reosarevok]
Anyway, third set, 12-13. this is eternal
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ocharles: Why the RELATIONSHIP TYPE field in edit search only« only searches edits that add or edit relationships » why not remove relationship ?
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15:09:16 [ocharles]
presumably because there's insufficient data in those edits to even search them
15:11:03 [jesus2099]
I wanted to find remove relationship "has amazon ASIN" edits by editor… what is missing ?
15:11:44 [ocharles]
the fact that it's a 'amazon asin' relationsip
15:11:54 [ocharles]
that is not stored in the removal
15:13:36 [jesus2099]
only in the add and edit ? mmhh, I wonder why…
15:13:49 [ocharles]
presumably, yes
15:16:20 [jesus2099]
I guess I would bore you if I made another ticket today…
15:24:26 [jesus2099]
reosarevok: ocharles : maybe you don’t know yet but the picture is from CAA, the ASIN with wrong release date I’m removing doesn’t even have a picture in web service.
15:24:55 [jesus2099]
reosarevok / ocharles wasn’t cover art the ONLY purpose of adding ASIN initially ?
15:26:42 [jesus2099]
mk
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16-16
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...
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15:54:05 [culinko]
gratz to roger:)
15:54:05 [xteejx]
hey guys, what resolution should I scan covers and booklets in for the cover archive on MB?
15:56:08 [xteejx]
300dpi should do it yeah?
15:57:26 [reosarevok]
Yeah
15:57:27 [reosarevok]
I do 300
15:57:33 [reosarevok]
Well, I do 600 and then resize
15:57:36 [xteejx]
Cool cheers :)
15:57:39 [reosarevok]
But that's because my scanner sucks :
15:57:45 [kepstin-work]
* kepstin-work does 2400 then resizes because his scanner *really* sucks
15:57:54 [xteejx]
I can scan at 300
15:57:55 [kepstin-work]
but yeah, 300 is good for uploads.
15:58:09 [xteejx]
2400dpi is probably overkill :P
15:58:15 [kepstin-work]
xteejx: most scanners have issues scanning screen-printed stuff at 300dpi
15:58:34 [xteejx]
No problems here, but I know what you mean :)
15:59:04 [kepstin-work]
(the reason I use 2400dpi is that my scanner *jpeg-compresses* the image using poor quality before sending it to the computer)
15:59:15 [xteejx]
ahhhh
15:59:18 [kepstin-work]
so the high-res lets me resize away the jpeg artifacts.
15:59:41 [xteejx]
some of the booklet is promo stuff, that go in too?
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15:59:57 [kepstin-work]
why not?
16:00:05 [xteejx]
heh :)
16:01:22 [kepstin-work]
* kepstin-work likes how http://musicbrainz.org/release/dfd2dc0f-6691-4edf-a1f5-699bf8690144/cover-art has a mail-in offer to get concert footage on beta tape.
16:01:34 [kepstin-work]
* kepstin-work scanned that earlier this year.
16:01:45 [xteejx]
lol
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16:02:56 [kepstin-work]
oh, it was music videos not concert footage
16:03:00 [kepstin-work]
but yeah.
16:03:58 [xteejx]
what about the CD itself?
16:05:21 [xteejx]
sod it, it's being scanned :)
16:06:24 [kepstin-work]
we have a "Medium" type that you should use for images of the medium itself :)
16:06:34 [xteejx]
coolio :)
16:06:41 [xteejx]
just found CoverArt/Types actually ;)
16:06:48 [kepstin-work]
(as you could see from my scans of the cassette in my previous link ;)
16:07:11 [xteejx]
Yup :D
16:08:59 [hawke_1]
I wonder how hard it would be to get Picard to read .flv files. I guess not too hard.
16:09:04 [hawke_1]
fpcalc certainly handles them fine
16:09:12 [hawke_1]
oh wait
16:09:14 [hawke_1]
no it doesn’t.
16:09:18 [xteejx]
lmao
16:09:23 [hawke_1]
DURATION=1511828489
16:09:29 [hawke_1]
Pretty sure that’s wrong
16:09:58 [kepstin-work]
flv files are actually kind of interesting, they're just a serialization of an rpc communication channel between the flash media server and flash client...
16:10:17 [kepstin-work]
* kepstin-work would recommend using e.g. ffmpeg to remux them into mp4
16:10:39 [hawke_1]
kepstin-work: That’s exactly what I do
16:10:41 [kepstin-work]
that might not be possible with some codecs, but if it works - picard can tag mp4 videos directly ;)
16:10:58 [hawke_1]
but it would be easier just to open the files in Picard. ;-)
16:11:32 [kepstin-work]
* kepstin-work still wants picard to support tagging matroska files :)
16:11:40 [hawke_1]
+1
16:11:48 [hawke_1]
The format isn’t that hard, really.
16:12:06 [kepstin-work]
hawke_1: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/PICARD-35
16:12:43 [hawke_1]
Already had that one voted. :-)
16:13:41 [xteejx]
What should I put the back nside of the jewel case scan as? i.e. the reverse side of the back (not the fron), the back side inside bit, make sense??
16:14:12 [hawke_1]
'other' and comment as to what it is
16:14:16 [hawke_1]
er…
16:14:17 [reosarevok]
isn't that inlay or tray
16:14:21 [reosarevok]
or whatever that's called
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16:14:23 [hawke_1]
that’s right, we have 'tray' now
16:14:34 [xteejx]
ahhhhh
16:14:39 [xteejx]
thanks, missed that one :)
16:15:48 [hawke_1]
It was only added recently.
16:16:40 [xteejx]
Ahh I see :)
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kepstin-work: The time tagging mkv gets complicated is when you have an entire release as an mk? file and want to tag the tracks within it.
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hawke_1: Did you want to say something to me last time ? I read the chatlogs and saw it was OK but just in case you saw some ohter glitch ;:)
16:26:53 [hawke_1]
jesus2099: Nope, nothing since then — just wanted to remind you about the acoustID duplicate problem, then I noticed there was a new version that fixed that
16:27:10 [hawke_1]
jesus2099: Although it would be cool to have a work count display as well as the track count display
16:27:44 [jesus2099]
hawke_1: it was fixed t(hanks to your comment ! :)
16:27:50 [hawke_1]
Yep. :-)
16:28:01 [jesus2099]
work count ? mmh, why not… is it useful ?
16:28:29 [xteejx]
Looking good http://musicbrainz.org/release/c3f79800-c748-47df-8feb-f2a003553c90/cover-art
16:29:27 [hawke_1]
jesus2099: Useful for two things: first, to make sure all tracks have works.
16:30:07 [hawke_1]
Second: To see how many different works there are, when one recording has multiple works, or when a work is recorded across multiple tracks
16:43:57 [jesus2099]
hawke_1: you mean you want the highlight on dupes ?
16:44:12 [hawke_1]
?
16:44:19 [jesus2099]
I have made the work count but not the duplicate spotter
16:45:13 [hawke_1]
Ah, no — it would just be nice to have something like: “10 tracks, 8 associated works”
16:48:26 [jesus2099]
http://musicbrainz.org/release/6fc9a516-6feb-4098-ac1c-2911453f8596 says Tracks: 65 Works: 23
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(in the usual sidebar)
16:48:40 [jesus2099]
hawke_1: ↗
16:49:32 [jesus2099]
I could add the duplicate spot code later if needed or if time…
16:50:00 [hawke_1]
I’m not sure how you would make the duplicate spotter work properly, though
16:51:10 [hawke_1]
e.g. http://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/53bb7f95-6b23-4fb4-ad1a-a77ed87356e6 would show a duplicate even though it’s OK, right?
16:51:13 [jesus2099]
same works not pointing on same recordings would be hilghioten like the PUID/AcoustID/ISRC… if same recording, not consider them as duplicate (use the info light colour like them too)
16:51:47 [jesus2099]
oh my current veresion actually says Work: 1
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16:52:21 [jesus2099]
is it nice like this, hawke_1 ?
16:52:52 [jesus2099]
Yes spotting duplicate works would be silly as anyway on all singles with remixes we would have some
16:54:40 [hawke_1]
I see google makes it a giant pain in the ass to install userscripts now :-(
16:54:48 [jesus2099]
google ?
16:55:31 [noobie]
chrome?
16:55:43 [hawke_1]
Yes
16:55:48 [noobie]
chromium ftw
16:55:54 [noobie]
^^
16:56:47 [jesus2099]
hawke_1: added work count http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/81127
16:56:56 [hawke_1]
http://support.google.com/chrome_webstore/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2664769&p=crx_warning :-(
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hawke_1: huh, does it? I just installed a script fine yesterday...
17:04:27 [hawke_1]
reosarevok: Me too. :-/
17:04:33 [hawke_1]
Version 21.0.1180.57
17:04:33 [reosarevok]
Hmm, or maybe I just updated it and that doesn't count
17:16:56 [jesus2099]
hawke_1: is the new wortk count display cool ? ;)
17:23:37 [noobie]
anyone speaking french here?
17:27:25 [reosarevok]
Try
17:27:32 [noobie]
Un Tour da l'Asile
17:27:43 [noobie]
i went for Un Tour da l'asile
17:28:14 [reosarevok]
huh, da?
17:28:24 [reosarevok]
weird
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17:28:30 [noobie]
the da is weird indeed
17:28:31 [jesus2099]
noobie: i’m french
17:28:33 [reosarevok]
Anyway, that's what the label seems to use too http://soundcloud.com/sacredmedia/electrypnose-un-tour-da-lasile
17:28:36 [noobie]
never heared of that in french
17:28:39 [jesus2099]
It would rather be « un tour de l’asile »
17:28:53 [noobie]
well the label uses Un Tour da l'asile
17:29:20 [noobie]
well,if the artist chose da l'asile i will use that
17:29:32 [reosarevok]
Yeah, seems to be consistently miswritten
17:29:34 [noobie]
i don't think we should fix typos
17:29:45 [jesus2099]
I wouldn’t
17:29:55 [jesus2099]
if it’s like that, and consistent
17:30:00 [jesus2099]
bye !
17:30:02 [jesus2099]
:)
17:30:05 [reosarevok]
I think we should, but not if they seem intentional (and someone must have told them it's wrong by now even if they didn't know :p)
17:30:13 [reosarevok]
(so since they keep using it...)
17:30:16 [noobie]
anyway,you suggest lower-caps jesus2099?
17:30:22 [noobie]
that's what i thought
17:30:56 [reosarevok]
I would use Un Tour, probably - seems to be what best follows our horribly complicated guideline
17:31:06 [noobie]
and what about this one
17:31:06 [noobie]
Personnes de Primitif
17:31:10 [noobie]
seems fine ?
17:31:29 [noobie]
first word upper and Primitf as noun/name upper to
17:31:54 [reosarevok]
I am not sure if it even makes sense
17:31:59 [noobie]
?
17:32:09 [reosarevok]
Unless their "Primitif" is some place or something
17:32:17 [noobie]
Primitif is a group of people
17:32:21 [noobie]
it's a name
17:32:23 [reosarevok]
Oh, then yeah
17:32:26 [reosarevok]
Probably
17:32:28 [noobie]
not related to primitive
17:32:33 [noobie]
i am certain of that ;)
17:32:44 [noobie]
anyway,got to eat - thanks :)
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17:34:03 [jesus2099_]
noobie: for the caps, ask amino/murdos. I’m AgAiNST LeaRninG CrazYcaPS
17:34:27 [jesus2099_]
But They Are UNFortiNateLY iN MB stYleGuiDeLinE
17:37:03 [jesus2099_]
I would just press the FRENCH guess case button in release editor ;)
17:38:38 [reosarevok]
Does that thing actually work?
17:38:54 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok never tried it because he assumed it had to be completely unable to deal with the complicated guideline
17:39:02 [reosarevok]
I mean, it can't know if there's a verb in the title...
17:39:12 [jesus2099_]
it works as I like it : NoFunnyCapsButIHaveTheExcuseThatIDidNotDidThisMyself
17:39:36 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok is actually completely unsure on what's the difference it has with Sentence
17:39:38 [jesus2099_]
it never did funny caps with me
17:39:45 [jesus2099_]
I don’t like funny stuff
17:39:48 [reosarevok]
I guess just adding spaces before : and stuff?
17:40:10 [jesus2099_]
I don’t know because I type them anyway myself so I hope it does that, yes
17:40:15 [jesus2099_]
but never tested actually
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17:40:48 [jesus2099_]
maybe i’ts called guess case but only does punctuation, indeed :p
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jesus2099: Work count doesn’t seem to be working(har!) for me.
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19:05:06 [gnu_andrew]
Pity that when multi-disc releases were merged into one, the annotations weren't compared and only one kept if they were identical...
19:05:21 [reosarevok]
Indeed
19:05:30 [reosarevok]
I mean, it could still be done I guess
19:05:49 [reosarevok]
(check if there are duplicated blocks, remove all but one)
19:14:27 [gnu_andrew]
reosarevok, might be worthwhile, I just cleaned up four
19:14:46 [gnu_andrew]
the UK NOW series seems pretty susceptible as there's a link to a wiki page on them
19:14:46 [reosarevok]
* reosarevok wonders if there's a ticket
19:14:56 [gnu_andrew]
if not, I can make one :-)
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21:13:38 [jesus2099]
hawke_1: Hey sorry for the work count, stupid bug fixed http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/81127 (I changed an attribute name to the last minute and missed one search/replace) ;)
21:14:11 [hawke_1]
Yep, I just saw the updated version. :-D
21:14:38 [jesus2099]
There are people with auto MB userscript downloader or something ? - each time I uppload I see one immediate download
21:15:00 [jesus2099]
hawke_1: cool ! :)
21:15:02 [hawke_1]
Just a coincidence, I happened to reload the page and saw your update. :-D
21:15:28 [hawke_1]
And it’s working for me. thanks!
21:16:25 [jesus2099]
oh then YOU were the instant downloader ! :O
21:16:38 [jesus2099]
hawke_1: you're welcome :)
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21:54:35 [hawke_1]
jesus2099: I think it may be counting works incorrectly, though.
21:54:45 [hawke_1]
http://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/c29a6452-035a-457e-b903-24025740b03f says 14 tracks, 13 works even though to my eye there are 14 works
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22:11:46 [xteejx]
hawke_1, Hey, is there a list of what shows up with this GM script? Getting ISRC codes with yellow/red numbers etc
22:12:11 [hawke_1]
Those are highlighting the different parts of the ISRC
22:12:17 [hawke_1]
country, label code, etc.
22:12:34 [xteejx]
ohhhhh, why?
22:12:45 [hawke_1]
Just to make it easier to read, I guess.
22:12:59 [hawke_1]
so you can see which part is the label identifier
22:13:00 [xteejx]
ah ok
22:13:30 [hawke_1]
It can also red-highlight the whole ISRC which means that it’s a duplicate within that release
22:14:25 [xteejx]
cool. Is there any documentation on it or anything that I can have a read thru?
22:15:10 [hawke_1]
Not much, really — just the userscript page
22:15:34 [xteejx]
damn, can't find it now lol
22:15:56 [hawke_1]
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/81127
22:16:10 [xteejx]
ahhhh thank you :D
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23:41:37 [xteejx]
Why is http://musicbrainz.org/release/f367c24e-cdf5-48d0-9fab-257605c5b7da showing track 1 with Fatboy Slim as highlighted with the gm scripts?
23:43:33 [CallerNo6]
xteejx: the highlighting just means that Fatboy Slim has pending edits.
23:43:58 [ianmcorvidae]
CallerNo6: I think he's talking about some highlighting that a script adds, not the default
23:44:05 [xteejx]
Yeah &
23:44:07 [xteejx]
^
23:44:15 [ianmcorvidae]
CallerNo6: as in the track, not the artist "Fatboy Slim" itself
23:44:21 [CallerNo6]
* CallerNo6 was just about to say (unless the script you're talking about etc etc)
23:44:32 [xteejx]
yeah it's something the script adds
23:45:00 [ianmcorvidae]
haha
23:45:04 [xteejx]
not sure why he's highlighted under remixer though
23:45:08 [CallerNo6]
* CallerNo6 hasn't used that script, and will shut up
23:45:15 [xteejx]
hehehe :)
23:45:48 [ianmcorvidae]
xteejx: the yellow highlight? that is what CallerNo6 was talking about, it means that artist has edits (or that the relationship does, I guess? unsure)
23:45:53 [xteejx]
could it be because his name is in the track title? But then why isn't the track title highlighted too..... hmm
23:46:05 [xteejx]
meh, not to worry was just curious
23:46:38 [ianmcorvidae]
yeah, looks like the fatboy slim artist itself is being edited
23:46:43 [ianmcorvidae]
and that's why the highlights
23:47:05 [xteejx]
Before I did it? It was highlighted before I touched it
23:47:31 [ianmcorvidae]
yeah, I think there's just some open edits on him from someone else
23:47:36 [CallerNo6]
http://musicbrainz.org/artist/34c63966-445c-4613-afe1-4f0e1e53ae9a/open_edits
23:47:50 [xteejx]
ahhh drsaunde has open edits