IRC log of musicbrainz on 2012-10-23
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- 03:37:00 [derwin]
- TIL : warp likes drunken tiger?
- 03:46:23 [Lotheric]
- How to mass add relationships to a producer for many tracks on one album now ? This isn't like it used to (It used to be easy with checkboxes...)
- 04:03:49 [Lotheric]
- ok found it
- 04:04:06 [Lotheric]
- apparently I need to edit relationships now to add new ones in batch
- 04:08:53 [derwin]
- ?
- 04:09:01 [derwin]
- there's a new relationship editor, yeah
- 04:09:09 [derwin]
- as opposed to "inline" relationships?
- 04:14:35 [Lotheric]
- before I went to the release page and used relate <recordings, release> to [artist]
- 04:14:51 [Lotheric]
- found out how to to it, it changed a bit
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- 04:53:33 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop sees an image he uploaded in ruoak's sf musictech presentation slideshow
- 04:56:18 [CallerNo6]
- I had one too, but since the band was actually at the sfmt, maybe that's how it was chosen.
- 04:56:32 [kepstin-laptop]
- hmm, spotted a second one
- 04:56:44 [CallerNo6]
- * CallerNo6 bows his head in defeat
- 05:00:07 [kepstin-laptop]
- huh, a 3rd :)
- 05:01:45 [kepstin-laptop]
- i didn't even think i'd uploaded enough to get that big of a percentage, but whatever :)
- 05:01:53 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop should scan some more stuff.
- 05:03:14 [CallerNo6]
- Why isn't there release group art?
- 05:03:31 [CallerNo6]
- I mean, obviously there's no one true cover, but
- 05:04:13 [CallerNo6]
- maybe a slideshow of release covers?
- 05:05:52 [kepstin-laptop]
- there's been some suggestion of allowing a representitive release group image to be uploaded, but nothing planned yet.
- 05:07:14 [CallerNo6]
- one thing at a time, i suppose
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- 06:50:30 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- * ZaphodBeeblebrox is eating borš nudles (actually barszcz, but i thought I' go with the estonian name for reasons)
- 06:50:31 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- :D
- 06:50:34 [ZaphodBeeblebrox]
- it is delicious!
- 06:53:14 [derwin]
- can musicbrainz picard name directories with format (e.g., “MP3” or “FLAC”)
- 06:53:18 [derwin]
- ?
- 06:54:13 [derwin]
- oh, borstch, lol
- 06:58:00 [derwin]
- kepstin-laptop: there was some *filthy* stuff in that slideshow
- 06:59:30 [derwin]
- WARNING : NOT SAFE FOR WORK. OR MUCH ELSE. http://musicbrainz.org/release/0d83333d-1007-499f-8598-36758eb5cf4b/cover-art
- 07:01:44 [Freso]
- derwin: I believe it can, yes.
- 07:01:46 [Freso]
- Picard.
- 07:02:11 [derwin]
- I looked in the tag mapping page
- 07:02:15 [derwin]
- and in the forums in the cool format strings
- 07:02:22 [derwin]
- and then mostly gave up
- 07:02:26 [derwin]
- then I was kinda hungry.. then sleepy
- 07:03:02 [derwin]
- http://www.thomasverbeek.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/super-cool-story-bro.png
- 07:08:14 [Freso]
- derwin: "_extension The files extension (Since Picard 1.1)"
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- 07:08:26 [Freso]
- derwin: From https://musicbrainz.org/doc/MusicBrainz_Picard/Tags
- 07:09:43 [derwin]
- Freso: thx
- 07:09:52 [derwin]
- I had seen the tag mapping page
- 07:09:54 [derwin]
- but not that one
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- 07:21:19 [Freso]
- ;)
- 07:24:20 [warp]
- derwin: yup. I scanned my copy of feel ghood muzik for the cover art archive.
- 07:27:21 [MBChatLogger]
- Honey badger don't care!!
- 07:27:21 [JoeLlama]
- mushroom mushroom!!! http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ (it's reallly old)
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- 08:54:20 [_5moufl]
- Did one my userscript break or did the "vote on all edits" thingy dissapear ?
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- 09:09:44 [_5moufl]
- btw jesus2099, your AMZ script doesn't display the "big" picture link anymore on pictures.
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- 09:29:57 [_5moufl]
- when adding a release witha dvd that contains videos, one should simply add video as a disambiguation comment for the recording, right?
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- 09:46:06 [jesus2099]
- _5moufl: hey MOUFLE ! Salut :)
- 09:46:58 [jesus2099]
- The “vote on all edits” and the “ASIN big picture” still work for me (http://musicbrainz.org/release/e0e054d3-0041-4e8a-98de-cde582bcfb7f)
- 09:47:22 [jesus2099]
- Do you have example links ?
- 09:47:59 [jesus2099]
- Oh there is a MBS bug BTW… maybe you’re on a release with ASIN front cover AND CAA back cover, this is MBS bug
- 09:48:49 [jesus2099]
- is it http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-5105 for you _5moufl ?
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- … il est pas là
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- 09:58:24 [jesus2099]
- _5moufl: je serais intéressé par ton exemple de ASIN qui marche pas, comme ça je pourrais corriger, côté userjs, http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4981 qui n’avance pas.
- 10:00:32 [jesus2099]
- as you’re at it, check that you have the latest versions of those scripts and that there is no remaining old name same same duplicate
- 10:00:50 [jesus2099]
- http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/57765
- 10:00:53 [jesus2099]
- http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/140026
- 10:02:03 [_5moufl]
- les asin marche très bien jesus2099, c'est quand je suis sur le site d'amazon
- 10:02:19 [_5moufl]
- avant j'avais un lien pour ouvrir la grande version de l'image à coté de l'image
- 10:03:37 [jesus2099]
- Ah oui ce truc là… c’est chiant amazon a trouvé (ou sans faire exprès) un truc qui arrive à ne pas exécuter les usrrjs sur certaines pages… ou sous certaines conditions de je ne sais pas quoi… Ils avaient disparuent pour moi aussi mais là je les ai à nouveau…
- 10:03:47 [jesus2099]
- essaies CTRL+R
- 10:04:01 [jesus2099]
- ou F5 enfin le truc qui recharge quoi
- 10:04:19 [_5moufl]
- jesus2099 https://userscripts.org/scripts/show/139394
- 10:05:14 [jesus2099]
- donne-moi une URL AMZ qui ne marche plus pour voir… ce truc marche pour moi mais j’aimerais bien savoir comment eux (et priceminister) arrievent à bloquer l’exécution des userjs
- 10:05:42 [_5moufl]
- ah ben le "vote on all edits" est revenu :s
- 10:05:43 [_5moufl]
- weird
- 10:05:47 [jesus2099]
- … mais ils n’y arrivent pas sur toutes les pages… ça doit même pas être fait exprès
- 10:06:02 [jesus2099]
- le POWER VOTE, là ?
- 10:06:04 [_5moufl]
- il sert à quoi ton script si y'a déjà ça : http://i.imgur.com/tHrtL.png
- 10:06:11 [_5moufl]
- sans power vote
- 10:06:54 [_5moufl]
- http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B003TEJTW4/musicbrainz0d-20?v=glance&s=music pas de liens pour la big pic
- 10:07:02 [jesus2099]
- ah ben ça d’accord… je coryais que c’é"iuzoirua power vrote
- 10:07:38 [jesus2099]
- si t’as déjà ça http://i.imgur.com/tHrtL.png je ne sais pas ce que ça donne, parce que je ne l’ai pas justement :)
- 10:07:39 [_5moufl]
- non non, j'ai jamais dit ça
- 10:07:58 [jesus2099]
- mais j’avais oubvlié l’autre power vote
- 10:08:24 [_5moufl]
- le seul problème que j'ai c'est avec le AMZ: Shrink bidule
- 10:08:31 [jesus2099]
- dans ton lien Amazon je vois des liens fullpic sur chaque thumbnail mais pas sur la grosse image, c’est ça ?
- 10:08:31 [_5moufl]
- qui affichai des liens avant et plus maintenant
- 10:08:44 [_5moufl]
- pourtant j'ai toujours les liens qui brille rouge là
- 10:09:00 [_5moufl]
- j'ai aucun lien jesus2099 :/
- 10:09:15 [jesus2099]
- mais seulement sur la grosse image c’est ça ?
- 10:09:26 [_5moufl]
- ben non, aucun aucun
- 10:09:59 [jesus2099]
- ah oui c’est le "blocage" de userjs… t’es dans FF, est-ce que tu vois la liste des userjs exécutés ?
- 10:10:07 [_5moufl]
- oui
- 10:10:11 [jesus2099]
- il est dedans ?
- 10:10:27 [_5moufl]
- il est éxecuté puisque j'ai les liens "rougis" http://i.imgur.com/myBOi.png
- 10:10:50 [_5moufl]
- j'ai plus les "fullpic" links
- 10:11:08 [jesus2099]
- ah oui tiens…
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- 10:14:11 [jesus2099]
- Et quand tu fais F5 ?
- 10:15:06 [jesus2099]
- c’est bizarre… dans FF, la barre d’adresse ne se met pas à jour… c’est pas un peu de la merde FF ?
- 10:15:19 [jesus2099]
- (je viens d’essayer dans FF)
- 10:15:40 [jesus2099]
- je fais F5 et je les ai, mais ils vont un peu n’importe où les liens je trouve uin peu, bizarre tout ça…
- 10:16:32 [jesus2099]
- le FF que je viens de tester est le 16.0.1, et toi ?
- 10:16:35 [jesus2099]
- _5moufl: ↗
- 10:23:48 [_5moufl]
- 17.0
- 10:24:30 [_5moufl]
- que dalle
- 10:25:08 [_5moufl]
- 12°15'03" jesus2099> c’est bizarre… dans FF, la barre d’adresse ne se met pas à jour… c’est pas un peu de la merde FF ? << qu'est-ce qui doit se màj ?
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- 10:34:20 [jesus2099]
- _5moufl: dans la congif par défaut le script te renvoie sur http://www.amazon.de/dp/ASIN — apparemment ton FF le fait (je vois le refresh rapide de la page) mais il affiche quand même toujours l’URL de 2km de long
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- 11:12:26 [murk]
- hello
- 11:13:06 [reosarevok]
- Hi
- 11:13:13 [murk]
- is something up with the database? about 15% of my albums remain on "albuminformation loading"
- 11:14:25 [reosarevok]
- Hmm
- 11:15:53 [reosarevok]
- The stats look normal to me...
- 11:16:00 [reosarevok]
- (but I'm not an expert)
- 11:16:12 [reosarevok]
- Any experts around?
- 11:17:25 [luks]
- that is normal? :)
- 11:18:04 [luks]
- if an album ends up with "information loading" all the time, it's a bug
- 11:18:10 [murk]
- is this normal? I've never experienced this before.. it happened last night too
- 11:18:26 [murk]
- yea but it's not just one album, more like 30/40
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- 11:21:43 [reosarevok]
- luks: sure, but the stats look normal
- 11:21:50 [reosarevok]
- So that's why I don't know what's wrong
- 11:21:50 [reosarevok]
- :)
- 11:22:12 [luks]
- I still don't understand
- 11:22:37 [luks]
- do you normally get albums end up in the loading status? as opposed with "could not load album XXX"?
- 11:22:51 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok looked at the stats dashboard and no server seemed to be doing nothing strange. Except maybe hoser, but I'm not sure what hoser does
- 11:23:08 [luks]
- oh
- 11:23:20 [reosarevok]
- Obviously that's not the expected behaviour
- 11:23:20 [murk]
- no they are all already tagged
- 11:23:24 [luks]
- so 'the stats' != '15% of albums are failing to load'
- 11:23:28 [reosarevok]
- Indeed
- 11:23:38 [murk]
- previous times they would all just load their previously tagged album properly
- 11:23:40 [luks]
- * luks didn't see the connection
- 11:23:44 [murk]
- now they say "loading" and nothing happens :)
- 11:27:05 [reosarevok]
- Weird :/
- 11:28:01 [reosarevok]
- I mean, I've had one or two doing that at some points
- 11:28:08 [reosarevok]
- But certainly not such a big percentage of them
- 11:28:50 [murk]
- i should mention that it is a version i compiled myself, tho i only added another column to the album view..
- 11:28:58 [murk]
- i should try with the official version
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- 12:30:58 [jesus2099]
- murk: WHAT ? you never launched the normal version, the first thing you did was to edit code and compile Picrad ? I guess you are definitely a geek ! ;P
- 12:32:12 [jesus2099]
- Some people say « Hey let’s try this Minesweeper game and see if it’s cool »
- 12:32:53 [jesus2099]
- but murk says « Hey, I want a Minesweeper but with my name in the menu bar. So let’s find a source and compile it with my name and see what happens » :D
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- Is this Amazon rel. valid? http://musicbrainz.org/edit/19356719
- 12:34:55 [jesus2099]
- http://amazon.co.uk/dp/B008B37C8Q
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- 12:38:04 [reosarevok]
- Hmm
- 12:38:08 [reosarevok]
- dunno why i can't approve this
- 12:38:19 [reosarevok]
- Can someone else vote to see what happens? http://musicbrainz.org/edit/19351971
- 12:38:42 [reosarevok]
- (the edit isn't perfect but I don't want to make it fail by editing on top of it)
- 12:39:03 [_5moufl]
- yup
- 12:41:33 [reosarevok]
- Thanks :)
- 12:41:42 [reosarevok]
- I'll be in uni when it passes, but well
- 12:41:46 [reosarevok]
- Can check when I'm back
- 12:53:23 [murk]
- who is that jesus2099 guy
- 12:53:58 [reosarevok]
- heh
- 12:54:06 [reosarevok]
- Our favourite crazy French editor
- 12:54:43 [reoafk]
- * reoafk goes to uni
- 12:58:26 [murk]
- hf reoafk
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- 13:23:32 [murk]
- Well... I installed the official picard 1.0 which worked in the past and it indeed loads all albums
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- 13:28:00 [murk]
- and official 1.1 also seems to work fine... Ok, I broke something
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- 13:31:40 [rexroom]
- aha
- 13:31:44 [murk]
- and with my modified 1.1 it again skips albums at random which remain "loading" :/ anyone the slightest clue why this could be happening?
- 13:32:30 [rexroom]
- I see Picard 1.1 (or 1.0 for that matter) started to use TSO2 for album artist sort instead of TXXX:ALBUMARTISTSORT
- 13:32:42 [rexroom]
- that explains a couple of things
- 13:34:12 [luks]
- murk: you probably somehow break the callback chain
- 13:34:25 [luks]
- have a look for exceptions/tracebacks somewhere
- 13:34:36 [luks]
- in the log file, or if you are running it on the console
- 13:34:43 [murk]
- ok
- 13:35:20 [rexroom]
- id3.TSO2: "itunesalbumsortorder", <- aha
- 13:35:22 [murk]
- too bad the log doesn't have timestamps :p
- 13:35:29 [murk]
- oh nvm it says the time
- 13:36:11 [murk]
- I see this one a couple of times
- 13:36:11 [murk]
- Traceback (most recent call last):
- 13:36:11 [murk]
- File "picard\webservice.pyo", line 223, in _process_reply
- 13:36:11 [murk]
- File "picard\coverart.pyo", line 129, in _caa_json_downloaded
- 13:36:11 [murk]
- TypeError: descriptor 'lower' requires a 'unicode' object but received a 'str'
- 13:36:50 [murk]
- but I mostly see a LOT of these
- 13:36:51 [murk]
- E: <sip.voidptr object at 0x0B1D9470> 15:33:54 Network request error for http://s3.us.archive.org:80/mbid-8ce78860-1182-3996-b1cb-cb97a914f8db/index.json" rel="nofollow">http://s3.us.archive.org:80/mbid-8ce78860-1182-3996-b1cb-cb97a914f8db/index.json:" rel="nofollow">http://s3.us.archive.org:80/mbid-8ce78860-1182-3996-b1cb-cb97a914f8db/index.json: Error downloading http://s3.us.archive.org:80/mbid-8ce78860-1182-3996-b1cb-cb97a914f8db/index.json - server replied: Not Found (QT code 203, HTTP code 404) E: <sip.voidptr object at 0x0AD3C7E8> 15:33:54 Error downloading http://s3.us.archive.org:80/mbid-8ce78860-1182-3996-b1cb-cb97
- 13:40:07 [murk]
- I think this is the culprit
- 13:40:08 [murk]
- Traceback (most recent call last):
- 13:40:08 [murk]
- File "picard\ui\itemviews.pyo", line 542, in _lt
- 13:40:08 [murk]
- ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
- 13:40:21 [murk]
- shown a few hundred times
- 13:40:26 [luks]
- the TypeError is probably the problem
- 13:40:44 [murk]
- i modified the __lt__ because i wanted my custom column to be able to use natural sort instead of ascii sort
- 13:40:47 [luks]
- not your bug, but you might fix it :)
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- 13:43:09 [murk]
- one does not simply code something bugfree in the middle of the night, WITHOUT coffee
- 13:54:44 [murk]
- hm but luks, is the problem in coverart also a bug in the official version?
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- 13:58:12 [luks]
- murk: the released version doesn't include the coverart code
- 13:58:25 [luks]
- so it's more likely a bug in the git version
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- 14:36:13 [Freso]
- reo: If you read the log, did you file a ticket re: https://musicbrainz.org/edit/19351971
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- 15:12:27 [Freso]
- reosarevok: http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2012/2012-10/2012-10-23.html#T14-36-13-645627
- 15:17:26 [reosarevok]
- Freso: I didn't because I didn't know what was failing
- 15:17:43 [reosarevok]
- Now that we've seen it fails to close normally too maybe we should
- 15:17:55 [reosarevok]
- Although I suspect modbot is mailing our devs every hour like "CAN'T CLOOOOSE THIS"
- 15:25:04 [Freso]
- reosarevok: :)
- 15:25:14 [Freso]
- reosarevok: I tried to approve it too, but got some server error.
- 15:25:53 [CallerNo6]
- crap, another hour of my life is about to be lost. http://manifestosarchive.blogspot.com/2011/11/platform-21-repair-manifesto.html
- 15:26:52 [reosarevok]
- Oh hai CallerNo6!
- 15:26:55 [reosarevok]
- How was the meeting?
- 15:27:38 [CallerNo6]
- The church is... wow.
- 15:29:33 [hawke_]
- reosarevok: What’d you want me to do with that release you emailed me about?
- 15:29:40 [reosarevok]
- I have no idea
- 15:29:43 [reosarevok]
- that's the point
- 15:29:56 [reosarevok]
- Who should be the release / recording / track artist?
- 15:30:38 [hawke_]
- Isn’t it just a film score, falling under http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Specific_types_of_releases/Soundtrack ?
- 15:38:28 [hawke_]
- I added AcoustIDs though. :-)
- 15:41:52 [hawke_]
- reosarevok: I changed the release/recording artists to how I think they should be.
- 15:42:13 [hawke_]
- reosarevok: How about the works? “edited by Adriano, 1988”
- 15:42:29 [reosarevok]
- hawke_: dunno. I mean, it *is* but it is presented as much as a classical release as it is a soundtrack (and it certainly isn't put out to promote the film or anything)
- 15:42:45 [reosarevok]
- So I was like "wtf weird give it to hawke_ and fix something else" :P
- 15:42:49 [hawke_]
- lol
- 15:43:03 [hawke_]
- The guidelines for soundtrack should be compatible with classical
- 15:43:23 [reosarevok]
- Yeah, that was my doubt
- 15:43:28 [reosarevok]
- (well, one of them)
- 15:43:38 [reosarevok]
- Is track artist composer for scores?
- 15:43:58 [hawke_]
- release to composer/performer (“whoever’s on the front”), recordings to performer, tracks as credited…in this case there aren’t really track credits so…
- 15:45:18 [hawke_]
- heh, soundtrack style missed Track credits. Oops.
- 15:45:46 [hawke_]
- Oh, there it is
- 15:45:55 [hawke_]
- the heading style in the wiki is just confusing
- 15:46:07 [hawke_]
- “If the cover lists specific artists for each track, the listed artist should be placed in the Artist Credit field. Otherwise, use the release artist. For releases with no per-track credits, use the composer for each track instead.”
- 15:46:18 [hawke_]
- I think this would fall under “releases with no per-track credits”
- 15:46:39 [reosarevok]
- Oh, cool
- 15:46:40 [reosarevok]
- :)
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- 15:49:12 [hawke_]
- reosarevok: How about those works “edited by” and “adapted version of … original suite from Les Misérables used in a few movements”?
- 15:50:28 [reosarevok]
- I have no idea
- 15:50:32 [reosarevok]
- I mean
- 15:50:39 [reosarevok]
- I *think* I'd just set those on recordings?
- 15:50:42 [reosarevok]
- But dunno
- 15:51:10 [hawke_]
- and maybe “version of”? But I guess “in a few movements” isn’t enough information to go by
- 15:52:07 [reosarevok]
- Yeah..
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- 15:59:21 [Freso]
- Huh. Is the "Guess feat. artists" a userscript?
- 15:59:26 [Freso]
- >_>
- 15:59:44 [Freso]
- (We rely way too much on userscripts for editing...)
- 16:01:16 [Freso]
- bitmap: Could you add support for guessing features when adding recordings too? :D
- 16:02:27 [bitmap]
- nikki already wrote something for that, it's on userscripts.org :)
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- 16:03:01 [Freso]
- Ah well.
- 16:03:04 [Freso]
- * Freso goes hunting
- 16:04:12 [bitmap]
- Freso: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/117672
- 16:06:58 [Freso]
- bitmap: Yeah.
- 16:07:16 [Freso]
- bitmap: It looks like I already have it - it's just not enabled for https://* or on beta.mb
- 16:08:33 [Freso]
- Ah, no. I've enabled those myself, but it's not enabled for the adding page - only for editing already existing ones.
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- jesus2099: Am I correct in thinking that “display track and/or recording names” is why I am now seeing doubled names on the track listing?
- 16:39:31 [Freso]
- https://musicbrainz.org/recording/1bc57fa5-f5a4-4c3b-a847-3e2b89c92c1d - victory! \o/
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- 18:01:44 [LordSputnik]
- what do you guys think about merging recordings from vinyls and recordings from CDs?
- 18:02:38 [hawke_]
- LordSputnik: I don’t like it much.
- 18:03:28 [LordSputnik]
- hawke_: me neither, I voted against it
- 18:03:30 [CallerNo6]
- hawke_: ever? Or in general? I mean, if the two were released simultaneously?
- 18:03:47 [LordSputnik]
- if the two were released together
- 18:03:50 [LordSputnik]
- it makes sense yeah
- 18:04:06 [hawke_]
- Not always…sometimes (often?) the mastering is significantly different
- 18:04:46 [LordSputnik]
- but certainly if a vinyl from 1964 and a CD from 1990 had separate recordings, you would agree they should stay separate?
- 18:04:48 [hawke_]
- CallerNo6: In general. The problem is twofold: the mastering is technically always different, and often it’s significantly different
- 18:05:56 [hawke_]
- And second, if the you have multiple remasters based on the same disc (this applies mostly to stuff cut direct to disc, i.e. pre-1940s or so), you can’t say they’re the “same” in any useful sense.
- 18:06:29 [hawke_]
- Which is not to say I haven’t done it anyway, especially when it was less clear what a recording is.
- 18:06:44 [CallerNo6]
- hm. It's clear?
- 18:06:56 [CallerNo6]
- * CallerNo6 kids
- 18:07:40 [hawke_]
- It’s more clear than it was a year ago. :-)
- 18:08:55 [hawke_]
- Anyway, a lot of remasters from discs from back in the 30s will come from different discs, in different conditions and played on different equipment, giving a different sound
- 18:09:00 [hawke_]
- meaning they shouldn’t be merged.
- 18:09:24 [CallerNo6]
- yeah, that makes sense of course.
- 18:09:32 [LordSputnik]
- someone should make that a guideline
- 18:10:39 [hawke_]
- We do, I think.
- 18:11:02 [hawke_]
- http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Recording
- 18:11:11 [hawke_]
- “different edits, mixes, remixes or remasters of a performance.”
- 18:11:24 [hawke_]
- (shouldn’t be merged)
- 18:12:00 [LordSputnik]
- oh i know it says that
- 18:12:12 [LordSputnik]
- but it doesnt explicitly say anything about different mediums
- 18:12:43 [CallerNo6]
- and it can't quantify "different"
- 18:13:10 [LordSputnik]
- so that line is sort of open to interpretation, as "remaster" could be taken to mean only an "upgrade" of the audio, and not a transfer from one format to the other
- 18:13:10 [hawke_]
- CallerNo6: well, I think digital is by definition a different master from analog.
- 18:13:15 [hawke_]
- if I understand correctly.
- 18:13:37 [CallerNo6]
- I guess.
- 18:13:59 [LordSputnik]
- hawke_: That's exactly the sort of line that should be in there: "Digital is by definition a different master from analog."
- 18:16:08 [hawke_]
- LordSputnik: Someone should make a proposal to change that guideline then. I nominate you. ;-)
- 18:16:30 [g-ram]
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- 18:16:40 [intgr]
- LordSputnik: If a digital recording is released on analog media (e.g. vinyl) then is that 2 separate recordings?
- 18:17:02 [intgr]
- Or do you only suggest the other way around
- 18:17:03 [hawke_]
- intgr: You can’t release a digital recording on analog media
- 18:17:27 [hawke_]
- Well, unless you count a wav dumped to tape, a la commodore 64
- 18:17:47 [hawke_]
- i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_Datasette
- 18:17:58 [intgr]
- Erm, why not? I can attach a cassette tape recorder to my computer's line out and record away.
- 18:18:03 [intgr]
- Am I creating a new recording in the process?
- 18:18:06 [hawke_]
- intgr: Yes.
- 18:18:17 [hawke_]
- That’s an analog recording not a digital recording
- 18:18:37 [intgr]
- That makes no sense if you ask me.
- 18:18:47 [intgr]
- By that logic, every analog copy in the world should be a separate recording
- 18:19:03 [intgr]
- Ditto re-encodes of digital releases
- 18:19:29 [hawke_]
- intgr: There’s something to be said for that.
- 18:19:31 [LordSputnik]
- intgr: no, because the recording should refer to the original master
- 18:19:38 [hawke_]
- It all comes down to “how different is different”
- 18:20:19 [intgr]
- Well I imagine that modern artists only create 1 digital master and then release that as CD & vinyl.
- 18:20:35 [LordSputnik]
- intgr: that may be a place where they should be the same recording
- 18:20:41 [hawke_]
- I imagine that modern artists vary in their process.
- 18:20:46 [CallerNo6]
- I know some people think a "session/performance" container would just complicate things further, but would it?
- 18:21:03 [hawke_]
- CallerNo6: It would complicate things, but it would definitely be good.
- 18:22:03 [CallerNo6]
- I mean, for those of us who aren't interested in tracking slight differences between masters, I'd much rather just put all the recordings in one "container" and forget they exist.
- 18:22:27 [CallerNo6]
- (most of the time)
- 18:22:42 [hawke_]
- CallerNo6: I’d call it a “recording group” but otherwise, yes.
- 18:23:10 [LordSputnik]
- Are there any ways I don't know of to get an acoustid from a vinyl? The only way to me seems to be to record the analogue back into digital then submit, right?
- 18:23:12 [CallerNo6]
- right
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- 18:23:17 [hawke_]
- LordSputnik: correct.
- 18:23:33 [LordSputnik]
- ok then, no vinyl should ever be on the same recording as a CD
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- 18:23:43 [LordSputnik]
- because any audio in MB can NEVER be the same
- 18:24:00 [hawke_]
- ?
- 18:24:14 [hawke_]
- “any audio in MB can NEVER be the same”?
- 18:24:16 [LordSputnik]
- ...
- 18:24:17 [intgr]
- The consequences will never be the same!
- 18:24:23 [LordSputnik]
- clarification needed :P
- 18:24:58 [LordSputnik]
- What I mean is, if anyone makes an AcoustID for a vinyl burnt onto a PC
- 18:25:10 [LordSputnik]
- it will never match the original, digital audio source
- 18:25:29 [LordSputnik]
- in fact, making an acoustid for a vinyl is sort of pointless
- 18:25:31 [hawke_]
- LordSputnik: actually the acoustID will likely be the same.
- 18:25:32 [intgr]
- LordSputnik: AcoustID is designed to accommodate slight variations between different tracks (re-encodings, volume differences, etc)
- 18:25:41 [hawke_]
- acoustID can handle it well enough
- 18:25:43 [intgr]
- erm, different versions of same track
- 18:25:47 [LordSputnik]
- oh ok
- 18:25:52 [hawke_]
- but at a lower level, the raw PCm will end up being different
- 18:26:06 [LordSputnik]
- mmm
- 18:26:18 [LordSputnik]
- ok, ignore my bold "NEVER be the same" statement then :P
- 18:26:26 [hawke_]
- I’ve actually done it, comparing a CD to a vinyl rip
- 18:26:44 [hawke_]
- The only difference was because whoever recorded the vinyl rip left the entire lead-out in.
- 18:26:48 [hawke_]
- so the last track was much longer
- 18:26:56 [hawke_]
- the only difference from an AcoustID standpoint, that is.
- 18:28:00 [LordSputnik]
- We should probably have a recording for each different audio source that was used to make all the mediums containing the track. eg. an analogue master tape should have it's own release, to which all of the original vinyl recordings should belong. Any later CD pressings or masters would have to convert this tape to a new digital source, so they get a different recording
- 18:28:25 [LordSputnik]
- if a modern artist releases a vinyl and a cd, then they should probably share a recording, because they probably were mastered in digital, and share the same source
- 18:28:51 [LordSputnik]
- unless it can be proved that they recorded the whole thing in analogue and then converted it to digital for the cd release
- 18:28:54 [LordSputnik]
- :P
- 18:29:15 [intgr]
- Agreed
- 18:30:03 [hawke_]
- +1, if you can get that into a form that is workable as a guideline.
- 18:30:13 [hawke_]
- Hmm
- 18:30:19 [LordSputnik]
- right, ok, how do i make a proposal to change guidelines? and would anyone be willing to help write it in piratepad?
- 18:30:21 [ianmcorvidae-at-]
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- 18:30:51 [hawke_]
- except, actually…while they were probably mastered digitally for the vinyl, the vinyl master is almost certainly different from the CD master.
- 18:30:57 [ianmcorvidae|alt]
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- 18:31:18 [hawke_]
- because vinyl has different technical considerations, such as having to keep the needle in the groove.
- 18:31:19 [intgr]
- Why would it be different?
- 18:31:36 [hawke_]
- http://www.recordingmag.com/resources/resourceDetail/114.html
- 18:31:36 [CallerNo6]
- LordSputnik: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposals#The_Standard_Process
- 18:31:41 [intgr]
- Hmm
- 18:34:20 [hawke_]
- intgr: specifically the section on “the mastering process”
- 18:36:30 [LordSputnik]
- ok, read some of that
- 18:36:41 [LordSputnik]
- I think we're getting too technical about the audio though
- 18:36:43 [intgr]
- God damn stone age technology :)
- 18:37:08 [LordSputnik]
- I think, we should ignore the differences bought about by cutting onto vinyl
- 18:37:26 [LordSputnik]
- because otherwise we should have a separate recording for every single vinyl pressing in MB, surely?
- 18:38:08 [LordSputnik]
- which would be a massive load of work
- 18:38:10 [intgr]
- Agreed, it sounds more like an encoding issue to me. The waveform comes out different, but the artist indended it to be the same. Though I guess it conflicts with the definition of "master"
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- 18:38:16 [fissl]
- hi
- 18:38:20 [LordSputnik]
- hey
- 18:38:32 [fissl]
- i want to add a 7'' vinyl
- 18:38:49 [fissl]
- how do i enter which track is on which side?
- 18:39:21 [fissl]
- Should I add a disc?
- 18:39:40 [adhawkins]
- fissl: Track numbers can now be A1, B2 etc.
- 18:39:47 [fissl]
- ah, thank you
- 18:39:48 [CallerNo6]
- fissl: don't use separate mediums if that's what you're asking.
- 18:39:57 [fissl]
- thats it
- 18:41:23 [LordSputnik]
- hawke_: do you think we can get away with ignoring the vinyl cutting issues?
- 18:42:31 [fissl]
- http://musicbrainz.org/edit/19410136
- 18:43:46 [fissl]
- ah, png is no allowed for cover art?
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- 18:44:09 [intgr]
- fissl: Not now. Hopefully some day.
- 18:44:22 [LordSputnik]
- no, not at the moment, convert it to a high quality jpeg, and keep the original png safe :)
- 18:44:27 [CallerNo6]
- Not too far away, iiuc.
- 18:44:41 [fissl]
- jpeg without compression should do it as well ^^
- 18:45:38 [LordSputnik]
- but compressing the jpeg helps save the planet :P
- 18:46:01 [intgr]
- I'd say the vinyl mastering details are much like the encoding process for digitla media. If the artist releases 320k and 48k MP3s, they will end up sounding different, but that's only due to technical limitations.
- 18:46:58 [intgr]
- The planet was lost the day people designed FLAC :)
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- 18:49:14 [hawke_]
- intgr, LordSputnik: IMO it really comes down to, “does it sound different” — if that answer is yes we need a new recording.
- 18:49:59 [hawke_]
- If you can say “this one is louder (hotter)” or “this one turned up the drums at this point” then they should be different recordings.
- 18:50:53 [hawke_]
- e.g. the classic: http://mastering-media.blogspot.com/2008/09/metallica-death-magnetic-sounds-better.html
- 18:51:05 [kovacsur]
- if there are obvious differences
- 18:51:16 [robmorrissey]
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- 18:51:18 [kovacsur]
- oops, pressed enter too early, anyway
- 18:52:00 [kovacsur]
- I think we should keep recording separate if there are obvious differences or if there's a mastering engineer credit
- 18:52:11 [LordSputnik]
- http://piratepad.net/AlugNu7mfa
- 18:52:28 [LordSputnik]
- work in progress
- 18:52:35 [hawke_]
- kovacsur: how obvious? Does it count if it fades out differently (e.g. a 2-second fadeout vs. a sudden cutoff)?
- 18:53:01 [kovacsur]
- by the current MB definition, definitely
- 18:53:32 [intgr]
- kovacsur: How can people determine if they're really different?
- 18:54:01 [ijabz_]
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- 18:54:01 [intgr]
- I've seen people merge recordings with 10s length difference
- 18:54:21 [hawke_]
- intgr: what if that difference is only silence? :-)\
- 18:54:33 [intgr]
- Well I don't know that, I don't have the other version :)
- 18:54:49 [intgr]
- And (s)he ignored my proposal to compare the tracks
- 18:55:02 [CallerNo6]
- At this point, recordings are only marginally more useful than tracks to me.
- 18:55:09 [hawke_]
- intgr: Then IMO a no-vote would be warranted.
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- 18:55:50 [LordSputnik]
- I think a 10s difference is ok, if the only difference is in the ending or beginning
- 18:56:35 [LordSputnik]
- for example, some applause was cut from the end of a live track
- 18:56:41 [kovacsur]
- it would be useful to group them together on an other abstraction layer, but they're not the "same audio data"
- 18:56:42 [LordSputnik]
- *if some
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- 18:57:23 [LordSputnik]
- well, multiple AcoustIDs can be attached to a single recording, so that covers the "same audio data" aspect
- 18:57:25 [intgr]
- But I think introducing a "recording groups" level of indirection would only make people even more confused and less likely to get things right (or to even bother).
- 18:57:54 [LordSputnik]
- hawke_: do you know if acoustIDs will be different if a track is 10s shorter?
- 18:58:06 [hawke_]
- LordSputnik: 7 seconds
- 18:58:22 [LordSputnik]
- ok
- 18:58:40 [hawke_]
- ISRC is in theory a max 10s difference
- 18:58:48 [luks]
- which is just an arbitrary number and shouldn;t be used in any argument :)
- 18:58:56 [luks]
- I'm still looking to changing that
- 18:59:18 [hawke_]
- yes; acoustIDs themselves are not 100% perfect. They’re evidence for similarity but not a guarantee
- 18:59:47 [hawke_]
- Consider http://musicbrainz.org/edit/19266761 and http://musicbrainz.org/edit/19266782
- 19:00:15 [fissl]
- http://musicbrainz.org/release/fa7d8232-8232-41d0-862a-a97a8bc419fb/cover-art
- 19:00:28 [fissl]
- this is the best i can provide with this camera ^^
- 19:00:29 [LordSputnik]
- I do think that if an audio sample has been cut at either end, and isn't different enough in track length to change the AcoustID, it should be the same recording
- 19:01:12 [LordSputnik]
- fissl: they look very good for camera pictures!
- 19:01:43 [fissl]
- I did some photoshop actually
- 19:02:14 [LordSputnik]
- if the audio sample is a different AcoustID, but the audio that's actually present is the same as the audio in other tracks in the recording, then it should still be the same recording
- 19:02:18 [fissl]
- the colors I added afterwards
- 19:02:42 [intgr]
- fissl: Looks like you should do perspective correction first.
- 19:03:02 [intgr]
- I mean lens distortion correction
- 19:03:03 [fissl]
- I did haha
- 19:03:22 [LordSputnik]
- eg. if a track was split in half, and half of it was put on a CD, then perhaps the recording should still be the same?
- 19:03:54 [intgr]
- fissl: UFRaw makes it pretty painless.
- 19:03:54 [LordSputnik]
- the audio that is still there is the same, and it has a separate AcoustID to show that it's different
- 19:04:02 [intgr]
- If your camera can take raw format images
- 19:04:05 [fissl]
- should i also upload the raw photos?
- 19:04:11 [intgr]
- You can't
- 19:04:17 [intgr]
- Oh you mean jpegs?
- 19:04:23 [fissl]
- yes
- 19:04:51 [fissl]
- but without any image manipulation
- 19:05:10 [intgr]
- Why didn't you take a color image to begin with?
- 19:05:58 [fissl]
- I did but everything in this room at this time taken with this cam is yellow
- 19:06:44 [intgr]
- Ah ok, needs white balance correction too then.
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- 19:08:49 [fissl]
- https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0ldc5maaz6hzcn/IMG_6736.JPG
- 19:08:50 [hawke_]
- LordSputnik|AFK: It can’t be the same.
- 19:09:17 [intgr]
- fissl: I think they're good enough, but if you can be bothered to mess around, take a RAW format image and try if you can fix it using UFRaw
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- 19:09:39 [fissl]
- next time i have a scanner I'll redo it
- 19:10:36 [jesus2099]
- hawke: http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2012/2012-10/2012-10-23.html#T16-30-55-37119
- 19:10:39 [jesus2099]
- hawke: well yes, maybe I should have let the default configuration as it was before ... if you want it back like before you shall put the following setting "%track-name%*" instead of "%track-name%%br%%recording-name% :/
- 19:11:06 [jesus2099]
- xpeaking of INLINE STUFF
- 19:14:50 [jesus2099]
- there are so many hawke hawke_ hawke_1 ! I added a notice in http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/81127
- 19:15:35 [hawke_]
- jesus2099: Ah, I need to edit the script for that?
- 19:15:57 [fissl]
- is there a way to list all available artwork by artist?
- 19:16:21 [jesus2099]
- hawke: there is a settings section in it... maybe it's not really good for you... ?
- 19:16:32 [kovacsur]
- fissl, you could search for edits of type "add cover art" for that artist
- 19:16:38 [jesus2099]
- I should have let it as is ?
- 19:17:24 [hawke_]
- jesus2099: I prefer the old way, but I’m hardly the only user
- 19:17:38 [jesus2099]
- the settings even allows funky people to disyaply only %recording-name% instead of %track-name% but I prefer the track name myself
- 19:18:26 [jesus2099]
- it is hard for me to know what people prefer so I put a setting... my wish is to have this setting as a text input in the sidebar maybe... (._.?)
- 19:19:25 [hawke_]
- jesus2099: I wonder if there is a way to have userscript options.
- 19:19:38 [hawke_]
- I see things like http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/106223
- 19:19:59 [hawke_]
- and http://userscripts.org/guides/11
- 19:21:11 [intgr]
- Or you can just roll your own settings thing using HTML.
- 19:21:22 [jesus2099]
- I do not use GM_* stuff, they are not cross-browser
- 19:21:47 [kovacsur]
- you can emulate them for browsers that don't support them
- 19:21:59 [jesus2099]
- I have already put some settings in the gui for other scripts (even this one actually), I think I will add this when I have some time...
- 19:22:08 [hawke_]
- jesus2099: No, just thinking about the possibilities.
- 19:22:30 [hawke_]
- I’m OK with editing it, it’s just annoying to do every time I update the script. :-)
- 19:23:03 [jesus2099]
- hawke: yeah yeah thanks :) I can see how to do it now
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- 19:31:28 [jesus2099]
- hawke: here is this "new feature" http://i.imgur.com/lLUgcl.png ;)
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- 19:32:35 [jesus2099]
- the default view is ok for guys like me who do not use pseudo-release I guess it could be a burden for people using them maybe... or other releases with tracks purposely different than recordings
- 19:33:16 [jesus2099]
- it is true that I use that mainly to correct some recordings or stuff like that... to spot when there is an unpurposely mismatch
- 19:34:35 [jesus2099]
- OH I MUST GO !
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- 19:56:42 [mat_]
- hum, http://www.goldmania.fr/chanson-il-me-dit-que-je-suis-belle-112.html should I put goldman as composer/lyricist or the pseudonym ?
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- 19:59:28 [mat_]
- (iswcnet / sacem.fr gives the pseudonym)
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- 19:59:46 [CatCat]
- oh dear http://musicbrainz.org/edit/19391904
- 20:00:26 [derwin]
- 14:57 < LordSputnik> hawke_: do you know if acoustIDs will be different if a track is 10s shorter?
- 20:00:30 [derwin]
- are the missing 10 seconds at the start?
- 20:07:38 [Freso]
- fissl: There's no such thing as JPEG without compression. Even JPEG at quality 100 is lossily compressed.
- 20:08:12 [fissl]
- :(
- 20:13:17 [Freso]
- fissl: Yeah. :/ I usually go for JPEG 90. It's usually about half the size of JEPG 100, and the quality loss is neglible (sp?) - I often have to squint real hard to spot any differences, and even then, I'm not sure if I'm just imagining things.:p
- 20:14:25 [Freso]
- fissl: However, things are slowly moving towards accepting other/more content types at the CAA, so hopefully we'll be able to upload lossless PNGs in the not-way-too-distant future.
- 20:18:34 [fissl]
- btw when mutiple releases share the same artwork, is it possible to share it between the releases?
- 20:18:58 [Freso]
- No.
- 20:19:17 [Freso]
- The idea has been tossed around, but it does't have any widespread support.
- 20:19:55 [Freso]
- Since even two seemingly identical images may have small/minor differences that tie them to the specific release.
- 20:25:38 [hawke_]
- Freso: Actually there is lossless jpeg
- 20:25:47 [hawke_]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_JPEG
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- 20:30:03 [Freso]
- Interesting.
- 20:34:04 [LordSputnik]
- can someone approve this edit http://musicbrainz.org/edit/19266629 if I remake it?
- 20:34:14 [LordSputnik]
- it failed on the dependency front :/
- 20:34:55 [LordSputnik]
- oh actually, that one doesn't really matter, I'm going to merge it soon anyway
- 20:35:04 [LordSputnik]
- it's this one that's the problem: http://musicbrainz.org/edit/19266964
- 20:41:30 [LordSputnik]
- Remade it and two others here, please give yes votes :) http://musicbrainz.org/release/57d6e169-df6f-3c29-b8bb-3bd43bb7aea2/open_edits
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- 20:44:16 [CallerNo6]
- LordSputnik: keep in mind capitalization in comments, which should follow the same pattern as http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Titles/Extra_title_information
- 20:45:03 [CallerNo6]
- (so e.g. "2009 mono remaster")
- 20:46:10 [hawke_]
- Any wiki admins here?
- 20:46:22 [LordSputnik]
- I was doing it in caps because it sort of is a name
- 20:46:31 [hawke_]
- Or at least someone who can move a page?
- 20:46:50 [LordSputnik]
- if it was "2009 remaster" I would use lower case
- 20:46:52 [luks]
- hawke_: I probably can
- 20:47:10 [hawke_]
- luks: Can you move http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Hawke/Guides/AcoustID to /Guides/AcoustID please?
- 20:47:31 [hawke_]
- Unless there’s already a place for guides/howtos/things like that
- 20:47:54 [LordSputnik]
- CallerNo6: do you think I should have done it lower-case then?
- 20:47:56 [CallerNo6]
- hawke_: there is
- 20:48:13 [CallerNo6]
- http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/How_To
- 20:48:31 [CallerNo6]
- LordSputnik: I think so. By all means get a second opinion.
- 20:49:17 [hawke_]
- Nice.
- 20:49:18 [LordSputnik]
- that how to page just links to guides
- 20:49:45 [luks]
- hm, so what do I rename it to?
- 20:49:51 [LordSputnik]
- shouldn't hawke's guide have a separate page?
- 20:49:59 [hawke_]
- luks: Guides/AcoustID should be fine.
- 20:50:12 [luks]
- ok
- 20:50:23 [hawke_]
- LordSputnik: I think CallerNo6 was saying that I should add it to Category:How To and add it to that table.
- 20:52:13 [luks]
- moved
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- 20:52:34 [LordSputnik]
- Also, what's the difference between and edit that's "Already expired" and an edits that's "Closed"
- 20:52:45 [LordSputnik]
- it seems my "Already expired" edit isn't applied yet
- 20:52:47 [kovacsur]
- "already expired" is still waiting for modbot
- 20:52:48 [LordSputnik]
- is there a gap?
- 20:52:51 [kovacsur]
- yep
- 20:52:52 [LordSputnik]
- ah ok
- 20:53:06 [LordSputnik]
- so the edit expires, then modbot checks dependencies?
- 20:53:37 [hawke_]
- Yep.
- 20:53:41 [Freso]
- hawke_: I think nikki's around in -devel.
- 20:53:53 [hawke_]
- Freso: luks took care of it. Thanks, though.
- 20:54:04 [Freso]
- No problem. :)
- 20:55:19 [Freso]
- LordSputnik: Modbot is started every full hour and runs until it's checked everything that needs checking.
- 20:55:37 [LordSputnik]
- right ok
- 20:55:46 [LordSputnik]
- So they won't be applied until after 10pm then
- 20:56:10 [Freso]
- So if your edit expires at X:30, it will be "Already expired" until around X+1:00.
- 20:56:49 [Freso]
- Well, it's 5 minutes to 11pm now, so...
- 20:56:57 [Freso]
- ;)
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- 20:58:44 [LordSputnik]
- Freso: depends on the country :P
- 20:59:00 [LordSputnik]
- let's just say it's X:58 :P
- 20:59:37 [Freso]
- Well, timezone more so than country. :)
- 21:00:33 [LordSputnik]
- haha
- 21:00:42 [LordSputnik]
- got an edit in 4 seconds before the hour
- 21:00:53 [LordSputnik]
- just in time for when it closes in two weeks :P
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- 22:14:38 [ehrgeiz]
- Obama
- 22:15:00 [ehrgeiz]
- so i guess http://musicbrainz.org/doc/MusicBrainz_Slang should be updated^^
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- 22:19:55 [CallerNo6]
- ehrgeiz: be bold!
- 22:25:42 [Freso]
- CatCat: High-five for agreeing with me! o/
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- 22:52:20 [Freso]
- http://bcmoney-mobiletv.com/blog/2011/10/01/musicbrainz-vs-miilion-song-dataset-battle-of-the-open-music-databases/
- 22:52:32 [Freso]
- I'm not really sure what to make of that.
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- 22:56:13 [najevi]
- I am confused by the difference between a Release title and a Medium title. In a 5 CD set each Medium is labeled CD one, two three, four five but of course the overall title is Whatever.
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- 22:56:49 [Freso]
- najevi: If there is no specific title per CD, then just leave that field blank.
- 22:56:55 [najevi]
- So when entering the tracklist for each Medium should I have netered a Medium Title such as "CD one" or the overall Release title "Whatever"
- 22:57:01 [Freso]
- "Disc 1" or "CD 1" is not a medium specific title.
- 22:57:02 [najevi]
- ah OK
- 22:57:14 [Freso]
- :)
- 22:57:45 [najevi]
- So having alreadyt entered "CD one" etc. and having assigned disc ID I do not seem to be able to go back and delete those individual Medium titles.
- 22:58:21 [najevi]
- If I goi back and remove the disc ID for each of the five CD's then can I subsequently delete the individual medium titles?
- 22:59:03 [najevi]
- The problem is that the Sound Juicer application is pulling in the Medium title as the title for each CD rather than the overall Release title
- 23:03:37 [hawke_]
- najevi: That’s exactly what it is. What’s the problem?
- 23:03:49 [hawke_]
- What’s the release?
- 23:04:08 [hawke_]
- Oh, you entered "CD one" as medium titles. Just go back and hit edit and delete the medium titles
- 23:05:23 [najevi]
- hawke: yes i did try to edit (delete) the Medium titles but that failed to "take". I have just now tried to remove the disc ID but that also fails to be accepted. Maybe because I am a new editor.
- 23:05:53 [najevi]
- the release is http://musicbrainz.org/release/ff3c3a0c-be19-4d83-8b52-af52e10581c3/discids
- 23:06:27 [hawke_]
- Edits go into a queue and need to be approved. This takes two weeks, or until 3 yes votes, or an auto-editor approves it.
- 23:06:52 [hawke_]
- http://musicbrainz.org/release/ff3c3a0c-be19-4d83-8b52-af52e10581c3/open_edits
- 23:07:00 [najevi]
- Ah is this the case even when the edit is by the original editor of the new release?
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- 23:07:41 [hawke_]
- Yep.
- 23:08:01 [najevi]
- oh cool - so if I "Cancel an open edit - all should be good?
- 23:08:04 [hawke_]
- I yes-voted the medium edits
- 23:08:14 [hawke_]
- Just cancel the remove disc ID edits
- 23:08:23 [najevi]
- roger wilco
- 23:08:25 [hawke_]
- the 5 'edit medium' edits are good
- 23:08:44 [hawke_]
- They'll just take awhile (2 weeks or 3 yes votes or 1 autoeditor approval)
- 23:10:56 [najevi]
- OK thank you for the clarification - can you think of an example where the individual medium title would be entered ?
- 23:14:43 [CallerNo6]
- najevi: http://musicbrainz.org/release/69948b6b-7cd4-3357-843d-5ea0e05a7ef5
- 23:17:09 [najevi]
- CallerNo6: ok that makes sense. p.s. have upgraded to Sound Juicer 3.4.0 and all is well with the TOCs
- 23:17:38 [CallerNo6]
- oh, cool, glad that worked
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- 23:18:17 [dubwai]
- Opera browser freeze scroll at this page http://musicbrainz.org/release/69948b6b-7cd4-3357-843d-5ea0e05a7ef5
- 23:22:15 [najevi]
- Different subject: Rod Stewart - Storyteller 4 CD set : it seems that disc 2 shows one more track than I see on my disc 2. Some other user responded to this issue by creating a separate release for just this disc 2. Is it common for the same CD set to have different track counts in different geographical markets?
- 23:22:23 [najevi]
- http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/3dafc059-41aa-396b-9b45-14808a344e31
- 23:23:08 [derwin]
- I think it's uncommon
- 23:23:28 [derwin]
- more common is the single-medium-gets-a-bonus-track
- 23:23:31 [CallerNo6]
- Actually, I've seen it a lot in Castle/Sanctuary compilations.
- 23:23:44 [derwin]
- CallerNo6: is it licensing triggered, or?
- 23:24:05 [CallerNo6]
- I don't know. I always assumed so. Lemme see if I can dredge up an example from memory.
- 23:24:48 [najevi]
- If I understand the definition of a Release then (in tis case) the Austrlian Release should be a separate MB entry from the USA release of the same title. Is this correct?
- 23:25:34 [hawke_]
- Correct.
- 23:26:11 [derwin]
- yes, and both releases should have 4 mediums
- 23:26:44 [hawke_]
- But note that before NGS (about a year and a half ago), we didn't have multi-disc releases.
- 23:26:47 [najevi]
- OK then for me to most easily create the Australian release from the USA release can I use the CD stub import method for the track lists and just tweak the entry for disc 2 that appears to be different
- 23:26:55 [hawke_]
- So the standalone disc 2 could be an artifact from that
- 23:27:19 [hawke_]
- You can actually add mediums to the AU release via 'add disc'
- 23:27:41 [najevi]
- Doh, of course! Must get that cup of coffee!
- 23:28:10 [hawke_]
- tracklist tab, 'add disc', 'existing tracklist'
- 23:28:25 [hawke_]
- then pull the other discs from the US release (if you’re sure they’re the same)
- 23:28:28 [najevi]
- will give that ago after I properly wake up!
- 23:28:46 [najevi]
- yes they appear to be the same right down to the durations
- 23:29:37 [najevi]
- Oh which brings nme to ask: what exactly is the point of the Recordings tab of the whole edit process? Just a apointer to the manual will do for now
- 23:30:14 [hawke_]
- Different releases can share recordings
- 23:30:23 [hawke_]
- That tab lets you choose an existing recording
- 23:32:07 [najevi]
- It isn't clear to me what the "recording" is. I mean MB could not possibly store audio recordings ... or does it?
- 23:32:31 [hawke_]
- the recording is an entity that describes an audio recording
- 23:32:36 [hawke_]
- http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Recording
- 23:32:56 [hawke_]
- * hawke_ is out for now.
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- 23:34:29 [CallerNo6]
- derwin, http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/670a6416-34f5-4cd9-8197-e73fbefff4f5 , could be licensing. (disc 2, track 14)
- 23:35:30 [najevi]
- ok - yes I do remember reading about audio "fingerprints" ... I also remember reading that PUIDs are phasing out in favor of something that is generated by open source software.
- 23:35:54 [CallerNo6]
- najevi: correct, AcoustID
- 23:36:10 [CallerNo6]
- http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Acoustid
- 23:37:04 [najevi]
- So is the idea of a fingerprint to allow a user to match their individual song MP# file or whatever to one or more albuims in the MB data base for the purpose of extracting a suitable set of metadata with which to tag that mp3 file?
- 23:37:51 [CallerNo6]
- That'd be one use, definitely
- 23:39:49 [najevi]
- Ah ok the wiki page explained it all clearly enough
- 23:39:57 [najevi]
- many thanks
- 23:41:26 [CallerNo6]
- Unfortunately, most of the wiki pages are only useful if you already know exactly where they are