IRC log of musicbrainz on 2012-11-08
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- 01:55:53 [danguilherme]
- Hello?
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- 02:02:56 [ehrgeiz]
- hi
- 02:05:41 [uk]
- ehrgeiz: On -devel now. :)
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- oh cock
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- 09:13:32 [xsteadfastx]
- how long does it take till some small changes gets its votings? im new and cant wait to see some of my changes in the DB :)
- 09:16:45 [krazykiwi]
- some changes apply directly, even before they are voted, some can take up to 2 weeks, it's more likely to be quick if you have good edit notes and good info though
- 09:17:33 [krazykiwi]
- 3 yes votes and it's applied immediately, so give people a reason to vote yes, and it can be very fast
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- 09:22:04 [reosarevok]
- ruaok: ping
- 09:22:30 [krazykiwi]
- he's 9 hours idle, must be time to wake up soon :)
- 09:22:31 [xsteadfastx]
- krazykiwi: okidoki :)
- 09:22:44 [xsteadfastx]
- i think voting is a good way to keep the db clean and neat
- 09:22:48 [reosarevok]
- :o krazykiwi, that's been a while!
- 09:22:49 [nikki]
- oh hi reosarevok
- 09:22:53 [nikki]
- I just sent you a text message
- 09:22:57 [reosarevok]
- * reosarevok waves
- 09:22:57 [krazykiwi]
- hey :)
- 09:22:58 [reosarevok]
- hi nikki
- 09:23:01 [krazykiwi]
- *waves too*
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- 09:23:13 [nikki]
- and hi krazykiwi :o
- 09:23:19 [krazykiwi]
- and nikki, actually you two make good targets :)
- 09:23:30 [krazykiwi]
- wanna be interviewed for a paper I am writing?
- 09:23:33 [nikki]
- * nikki is a target? D:
- 09:23:33 [reosarevok]
- nikki: didn't get it yet
- 09:23:38 [krazykiwi]
- anonnymousely :)
- 09:23:39 [reosarevok]
- what was it?
- 09:23:44 [nikki]
- sure?
- 09:23:47 [reosarevok]
- krazykiwi: does it have to be today?
- 09:23:49 [krazykiwi]
- nope
- 09:23:53 [reosarevok]
- Then fine
- 09:24:02 [reosarevok]
- (at Riga airport no)
- 09:24:02 [reosarevok]
- w
- 09:24:07 [krazykiwi]
- anytime in the next two weeks or so, and voice or I can just mail you some questions, and you can write me an essay :)
- 09:24:32 [reosarevok]
- Mail sounds easier, my nick at musicbrainz.org
- 09:24:47 [krazykiwi]
- (kidding, brief answers are fine, I won't make you write an essay :)
- 09:25:03 [nikki]
- yeah same
- 09:25:08 [krazykiwi]
- awesome :)
- 09:25:21 [krazykiwi]
- I will preface with some info what I'm doing, so you aren't flying blind :)
- 09:26:20 [krazykiwi]
- but it's basically about the MB community and how people integrate into it
- 09:27:57 [krazykiwi]
- now y'all are gonna think I only come around when I want something
- 09:28:05 [reosarevok]
- hahaha
- 09:28:07 [krazykiwi]
- so I best go do some voting or something :)
- 09:28:17 [reosarevok]
- Ok, can do
- 09:28:32 [reosarevok]
- And yes, go vote :p
- 09:28:35 [krazykiwi]
- xsteadfastx: the embrace album you put a discogs link on, I think you linked our CD to their vinyl
- 09:28:55 [krazykiwi]
- there's a 14 track cd linked bottom of that discogs page, I think that's the one you meant
- 09:30:01 [xsteadfastx]
- krazykiwi: i linked it because of the cover song
- 09:30:03 [krazykiwi]
- I will mail the interview questions tomorrow if that's ok, I didn't expect anyone to say yes so quick, so I didn't actually write any yet :)
- 09:30:12 [xsteadfastx]
- and the cover song is first on the vinyl release...
- 09:30:24 [xsteadfastx]
- krazykiwi: ok...maybe i did something wrong :)
- 09:30:27 [xsteadfastx]
- oh noez
- 09:32:20 [krazykiwi]
- http://www.discogs.com/Embrace-Embrace/release/945972 I think you want this one
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- 09:32:42 [reosarevok]
- hahaha
- 09:32:48 [reosarevok]
- krazykiwi: fine :)
- 09:32:54 [xsteadfastx]
- krazykiwi: ok..i will edit it
- 09:33:08 [reosarevok]
- We'll all be at the summit tomorrow, so we can give them to more people btw
- 09:33:17 [reosarevok]
- There should be at least a few more editors around
- 09:33:17 [krazykiwi]
- oh, a summit!
- 09:33:52 [krazykiwi]
- that'd be perfect target audience :)
- 09:34:08 [krazykiwi]
- and yup, you can pass em around as you like, I'll anonymize the answers anyways :)
- 09:34:51 [CatCat]
- oh mee to?
- 09:34:55 [xsteadfastx]
- krazykiwi: cant i edit it? i have to complete remove it?
- 09:35:12 [krazykiwi]
- hey there catcat :)
- 09:35:54 [krazykiwi]
- xsteadfastx: remove it, and redo it and post us the edit link, I'll vote on it for you :)
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- oh wow a sun
- 09:37:20 [CatCat]
- time to eat breakfast and try to not get stuff with this leaping bag
- 09:38:17 [xsteadfastx]
- krazykiwi: https://musicbrainz.org/edit/19577405
- 09:38:27 [CatCat]
- ugh why https
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- 09:38:54 [reosarevok_]
- https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/223684_10151491482392586_968712133_n.jpg I guess :p
- 09:38:57 [reosarevok_]
- Gaah
- 09:39:11 [reosarevok_]
- Whatever, you can see how pretty I am. Nice change of tab, webchat :p
- 09:39:18 [krazykiwi]
- votes in the last 28 days: 1 (go me)
- 09:39:34 [CatCat]
- * CatCat going to be asking for a "always redirect to http instead of https script i think
- 09:39:40 [CatCat]
- you look very tired reosarevok
- 09:39:43 [CatCat]
- :P
- 09:40:29 [krazykiwi]
- oh wow, it's almost my 10th anniversary
- 09:40:46 [reosarevok_]
- Oh, luggage dropoff is opening
- 09:40:58 [CatCat]
- bye reosarevok
- 09:41:00 [CatCat]
- see you later
- 09:41:01 [reosarevok_]
- Guess I should go and drop off my luggage then
- 09:41:07 [reosarevok_]
- See you all later!
- 09:41:26 [krazykiwi]
- bye bye reosarevok_, have fun at the summit
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- 11:39:06 [krazykiwi]
- this place never used to be so quiet
- 11:39:29 [krazykiwi]
- is it cos everyone is off to the summit? or there's just nothing left to say about the mooses?
- 11:41:57 [portik]
- like minimoose?
- 11:43:16 [krazykiwi]
- *stifles the urge to run off making moose puns*
- 11:44:59 [portik]
- don't stifle let it go
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- 12:15:49 [yindesu]
- How does one submit code to Picard?
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- 12:18:14 [VxJasonxV]
- github!
- 12:18:23 [VxJasonxV]
- yindesu, https://github.com/musicbrainz/picard
- 12:18:31 [yindesu]
- readonly
- 12:19:10 [yindesu]
- I guess I should have specifically asked, how to get write access to Github?
- 12:20:04 [nikki]
- I imagine you fork it, do your changes as a fork and then open pull requests
- 12:21:50 [xsteadfastx]
- what if a compilation has a wrong tracklisting...how should i add this to the db? two songs are switched on the cd
- 12:23:32 [krazykiwi]
- the tracklisting is printed wrong on the cd liners?
- 12:24:02 [xsteadfastx]
- krazykiwi: yes
- 12:24:10 [krazykiwi]
- let me dig up the only album I have that is like that, and see how it is, cos I totally don't remember if we ever wrote up some rules for what to do (it's such a rare case)
- 12:24:31 [CatCat]
- I think we correct them and make a note of the error in the annotation
- 12:24:34 [xsteadfastx]
- krazykiwi: its on this one: http://musicbrainz.org/release/e9233187-bfd4-4ac4-b45c-a9504f476f67
- 12:24:43 [CatCat]
- * CatCat does this
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- 12:27:01 [krazykiwi]
- Catcat: I thnk that's what we did too, but I can't find it to be sure
- 12:27:48 [krazykiwi]
- (it's an early of montreal disc I had that has half the tracks offset by one, and one song listed that isn't even on the album, but daughter absconded with all those CD's when she moved out, and now I can't even remember which one it was)
- 12:28:32 [krazykiwi]
- becasuse somehow names like "Deflated Chime, Foals Slightly Flower Sibylline Responses" just don't stick in my head
- 12:29:14 [xsteadfastx]
- im a little scarred that someone uploaded the wrong song acoustid because of this
- 12:29:58 [krazykiwi]
- yup, I definitely remember we had a ton of crosslinks on that release
- 12:30:25 [krazykiwi]
- I think we removed all those too (just unilaterally removed them, but people kept resubmitting with them reversed)
- 12:35:37 [krazykiwi]
- https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/ec296c98-a954-4ae2-9e50-40ec6753c6c3
- 12:35:38 [krazykiwi]
- found it
- 12:36:01 [xsteadfastx]
- ah ok
- 12:36:12 [krazykiwi]
- we corrected it to the "real" listing
- 12:36:31 [krusty_ar]
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- 12:36:46 [xsteadfastx]
- and how can you add a annotation?
- 12:37:05 [krazykiwi]
- i had a vague idea we kept a "wrong" list for the people who tagged it off the cover (or torrented it) and didn't care enough to fix it, but apparently we didn't
- 12:37:57 [krazykiwi]
- on the right, down the sidebar, it's first in the editing links
- 12:38:18 [xsteadfastx]
- ah ok :)
- 12:38:32 [xsteadfastx]
- i will see...i know there are two songs switched...i have to find out which...
- 12:39:04 [krazykiwi]
- make sure you have rock solid documentation
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- 12:39:21 [krazykiwi]
- that one was easy cos it was the band telling us their record label screwed up the covers :)
- 12:39:28 [krazykiwi]
- and that is pretty reliable
- 12:40:41 [krazykiwi]
- (ironically it got rereleased at some point, with the missing track restored, and we don't have that in the db)
- 12:41:20 [krazykiwi]
- which makes that annotation a bit wrong now too heh
- 12:41:30 [krazykiwi]
- how things change, 6 years down the road
- 12:54:13 [xsteadfastx]
- krazykiwi: the good thing is...i have all the albums...and the compilation with the wrong tracklisting
- 12:54:19 [xsteadfastx]
- i just have to write everything down
- 13:08:17 [CatCat]
- * CatCat is packing this thing,
- 13:08:48 [CatCat]
- on thing, WeirdPerson might comment, that's the weird person that's going to babysitt my cts, she might pop in and say "hi"
- 13:08:57 [CatCat]
- ok, bye
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- 13:36:32 [krazykiwi]
- ok, I have been away too long
- 13:36:42 [krazykiwi]
- I need someone to walk me through merging something
- 13:39:37 [jesus2099]
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- 13:40:14 [jesus2099]
- kepstin: I found some stuff for you, who wanted FF sync of your userjs, it seems http://scriptish.org/news/release/2012/09/23/scriptish-018-released.html does this
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- 13:43:04 [jesus2099]
- what do you want to merge krazykiwi ?
- 13:44:15 [krazykiwi]
- http://musicbrainz.org/release/a0ceeeab-4f9f-4672-a11d-c87b904b24e1
- 13:44:29 [krazykiwi]
- is actually the second disk of http://musicbrainz.org/release/40d3b2fb-0240-46be-aa95-d66dbf837c66
- 13:44:46 [krazykiwi]
- i can append it to that one, is as close as i got on my own :)
- 13:46:48 [jesus2099]
- I have MASS MERGE RECORDINGS, I can merge http://musicbrainz.org/tracklist/523360 ’s recordings into the second release second disc’s recordings if you want… or you can use this userjs yourself… or you have to merge each recording one by one
- 13:47:09 [krazykiwi]
- ahh, so I wasn't just being clueless, there's no UI to do this?
- 13:47:29 [krazykiwi]
- it'd be awesome if you do it for me, while I go dig out the script and get it set up, if you would
- 13:55:33 [xsteadfastx]
- krazykiwi: what would you suggest how i can handle the wrong tracklist on the cd artwork? should i just start editing the release? and put a annotation over it? or should i first contact someone?
- 13:57:45 [krazykiwi]
- first I would look for some secondary documentation: someone else reliable reporting the issue, like the band or the label
- 13:58:36 [krazykiwi]
- then i would remove the id's on the tracks, and reorder them with a big annotation, and put the edit id's of each edit into the notes of the others, so if someone comes across part of it, they can see the whole thing and see what you're doing
- 14:00:12 [xsteadfastx]
- krazykiwi: ok...good idea...i will google around first :)
- 14:01:43 [jesus2099]
- krazykiwi: What should I do exaclty? merge the recordings from http://musicbrainz.org/release/a0ceeeab-4f9f-4672-a11d-c87b904b24e1 targetting into recordings from disc 2 of http://musicbrainz.org/release/40d3b2fb-0240-46be-aa95-d66dbf837c66 ?
- 14:02:09 [jesus2099]
- (all track have same durations BTW)
- 14:03:53 [jesus2099]
- krazykiwi: http://musicbrainz.org/release/40d3b2fb-0240-46be-aa95-d66dbf837c66/edits is older, so I’m ok to merge into this one’s
- 14:04:13 [jesus2099]
- And then I’ll let you do the rename if any is needed etc.
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- 14:07:50 [krazykiwi]
- thanks Jesus, I can manage it from there now (gave up fighting with chrome to install user script lol, easier to just use waterfox for mb editing I guess)
- 14:08:21 [jesus2099]
- krazykiwi: it’s merging now, I’ll give you the edit ids for review
- 14:09:10 [krazykiwi]
- S:t is swedish style abbreviation for St, so it's otherwise a perfect match
- 14:09:41 [krazykiwi]
- Sankta Monica
- 14:11:23 [jesus2099]
- cool, then :) here you are ☞ http://musicbrainz.org/search/edits?auto_edit_filter=&order=desc&negation=0&combinator=and&conditions.0.field=editor&conditions.0.operator=%3D&conditions.0.name=GOLD+MASTER+KING&conditions.0.args.0=285909&conditions.1.field=type&conditions.1.operator=%3D&conditions.1.args=74&conditions.2.field=open_time&conditions.2.operator=%3D&conditions.2.args.0=2012-11-08&conditions.2.args.1=&conditions.3.fiel
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- 14:11:45 [krazykiwi]
- hehe, GOLD MASTER KING?
- 14:11:54 [jesus2099]
- YAY MAN !
- 14:12:01 [krazykiwi]
- cute :)
- 14:12:32 [krazykiwi]
- wow, doing that by hand would have been a pain in the behind
- 14:12:34 [krazykiwi]
- thanks a ton
- 14:12:45 [jesus2099]
- You’re welcomes ! ;)
- 14:13:27 [jesus2099]
- hey the full edit serach link was cut off !
- 14:13:42 [krazykiwi]
- and it's merging into the one with the good caps too heh
- 14:13:51 [krazykiwi]
- it worked though, cut off or not
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- 14:14:25 [jesus2099]
- I narrowed it down to artist CRAZEY KIWI but it got lost
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- 14:15:30 [krazykiwi]
- lol
- 14:16:48 [jesus2099]
- the end was http://musicbrainz.org/search/edits?auto_edit_filter=&order=desc&negation=0&combinator=and&conditions.0.field=editor&conditions.0.operator=%3D&conditions.0.name=GOLD+MASTER+KING&conditions.0.args.0=285909&conditions.3.field=artist&conditions.3.operator=%3D&conditions.3.name=CRAZEY+KIWI&conditions.3.args.0=22031&conditions.3.user_id=285909
- 14:17:40 [jesus2099]
- nikki: I don’t think you’re available to retrieve the JIRA ticket saying the edit search URL is too long and causes troublbllbles
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- 14:19:16 [jesus2099]
- Ah, but it has been renamed as it was said that the long URL was no big deal http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4359
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- picard is a dream
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- 16:51:01 [CatBuss]
- what i said in the other channel
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- Sure is quiet in here.
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- *crickets*
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- 18:09:48 [CatCat]
- hohohoh
- 18:09:54 [CatCat]
- * CatCat is at Rygge now
- 18:12:13 [CatCat]
- it sure is empty in here :/
- 18:14:39 [Lotheric]
- boo!
- 18:14:41 [Lotheric]
- :)
- 18:18:04 [CatCat]
- \o/
- 18:25:35 [Lotheric]
- hehe
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- 18:30:21 [CatCat]
- it's about hone hour 10minutes until leaving.. i magonig to watch top gear
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- 19:03:12 [demosdemon]
- http://goo.gl/LZz9f unf
- 19:03:15 [demosdemon]
- new KMFDM
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- 19:09:43 [hawke_1]
- Wow, this release group seems fishy.
- 19:09:57 [hawke_1]
- http://beta.musicbrainz.org/release-group/b865b1f5-232e-4ddc-8c7e-2837799fafc8
- 19:11:20 [portik]
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- 19:14:20 [demosdemon]
- it's real, but doesn't follow our style
- 19:14:35 [demosdemon]
- http://www.amazon.com/Ludolf-Nielsen-Symphony-No-Hjortholm/dp/B00004TAS4
- 19:18:09 [poss]
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- 19:18:14 [poss]
- hi
- 19:19:04 [Lotheric]
- hi
- 19:19:41 [poss]
- isnt it possible to cut a medium into sections?
- 19:20:03 [poss]
- like doscogs does: http://www.discogs.com/release/935911
- 19:20:37 [poss]
- the first 8 tracks have a kind of subtitle
- 19:20:53 [poss]
- and the last 8 as well
- 19:21:08 [hawke_1]
- poss: No.
- 19:21:40 [hawke_1]
- demosdemon: I know it’s real, but looking at the cat #s and barcodes, it seems to me that there are probably only two releases and someone is confusing them in some way.
- 19:21:58 [poss]
- whats wrong with it?
- 19:22:28 [demosdemon]
- oh, I see
- 19:22:52 [kovacsur]
- poss, nothing, but we simply don't have it. Subsections/suites/etc. are usually marked as "Whatever Suite: Section Title"
- 19:23:28 [poss]
- ah ok
- 19:23:32 [hawke_1]
- demosdemon: I’m not sure how to fix it, or if it should be fixed though… :-/
- 19:23:47 [poss]
- can i suggest it as a feature somewhere?
- 19:24:41 [drsaunde]
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- 19:24:52 [hawke_1]
- poss: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org
- 19:25:01 [hawke_1]
- I think there’s a ticket for it already, let me look
- 19:25:29 [hawke_1]
- Possibly http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-125 ?
- 19:27:18 [poss]
- ic
- 19:27:19 [poss]
- thanks
- 19:27:28 [poss]
- 8 votes... is that much?
- 19:27:36 [hawke_1]
- poss: It’s a fair amount, yes.
- 19:27:47 [poss]
- do votes matter at all? ^^
- 19:27:53 [hawke_1]
- yes.
- 19:28:03 [hawke_1]
- They are taken into consideration when deciding what to work on
- 19:28:44 [hawke_1]
- (35 is the most votes any ticket has, if you’re curious)
- 19:29:01 [poss]
- what is it?
- 19:29:21 [poss]
- just curious^^
- 19:29:52 [hawke_1]
- demosdemon: My guess is that there are two releases: Dacapo 8.224098 released in 2000-03 with barcode 730099979825 — and Naxos 8.554966 with barcode 636943496626, release (maybe in 1999?)
- 19:30:07 [hawke_1]
- poss: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-2095
- 19:30:10 [hawke_1]
- (fixed)
- 19:30:30 [hawke_1]
- Next most is 30 votes, http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-2417 (still unresolved)
- 19:30:54 [hawke_1]
- http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter/field=votes&sorter/order=DESC if you want to see the whole list
- 19:31:30 [demosdemon]
- or lord, that groups is a mess
- 19:31:52 [demosdemon]
- http://www.tampoo.com/item.php?upc=730099979825&category_id=Music
- 19:32:12 [hawke_1]
- demosdemon: even the edit history doesn't help.
- 19:32:21 [demosdemon]
- http://www.dropshipaccess.com/symphonyno3hjortholm-p-1510025.html
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- 19:32:36 [CatCat]
- aw yea
- 19:32:38 [CatCat]
- on the plane
- 19:32:47 [demosdemon]
- wifis in the air?
- 19:32:52 [hawke_1]
- * hawke_1 goes AFK.
- 19:32:54 [demosdemon]
- I love in-flight wifi
- 19:32:58 [CatCat]
- watchin' Top Gear
- 19:33:05 [CatCat]
- and this is RYAN AIR
- 19:33:16 [CatCat]
- well i actually ma not sure if it's not just the airport still
- 19:33:40 [CatCat]
- probably
- 19:33:49 [CatCat]
- as soon as we're in the air it's probably nope
- 19:34:26 [CatCat]
- yea, I asked a person and she said no
- 19:34:29 [demosdemon]
- hawke_1: well, discogs has only one cat no for both labels http://www.discogs.com/Ludolf-Nielsen-Bamberger-Symfonikere-Frank-Cramer-Symfoni-Nr-3-Hjortholm/release/1546815
- 19:34:49 [demosdemon]
- quick, download 10 hours of video!
- 19:35:05 [CatCat]
- * CatCat has 1,2 and 3'rd seasons of Top Gear
- 19:35:12 [CatCat]
- should last me the time it takes, yo
- 19:35:31 [demosdemon]
- but discogs could be getting that from us
- 19:35:38 [CatCat]
- top gear??
- 19:36:06 [demosdemon]
- no, that release hawke_1 was talking about
- 19:36:12 [demosdemon]
- we don't do video
- 19:37:26 [CatCat]
- oh I know, i was just joking :P
- 19:39:21 [noobie]
- anyone speaking spanish?
- 19:39:26 [noobie]
- right caps? -> Cronicas del maz alla (
- 19:39:52 [poss]
- hawke_1: thanks
- 19:43:02 [kovacsur]
- hawke_1, looks like someone simply added the wrong cat # to the wrong release in http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/19392123
- 19:44:03 [kovacsur]
- part of the cat #s and the EANs match for each release, ie. 8.55 4966 -> 636943 4966-2 6
- 19:44:54 [kovacsur]
- 2 is the format (CD), 6 is the check digit
- 19:45:52 [kovacsur]
- (just guessing about the format code, but that's how it usually works)
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- bye
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- 20:09:36 [hawke_1]
- kovacsur: Sounds right to me.
- 20:10:25 [hawke_1]
- kovacsur: So what do you figure the fix is? delete http://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/4eff3cf6-101f-4164-a42c-7ccc178e2229 ?
- 20:10:53 [kovacsur]
- I'm really not sure -- there IS a third release, we have three different CD covers
- 20:11:25 [hawke_1]
- We do?
- 20:11:43 [kovacsur]
- yes, the one you linked just now has a "BR"(?) logo in the top right
- 20:11:50 [kovacsur]
- the other similar one has a WDR logo
- 20:11:53 [hawke_1]
- Oh, I see…WDR vs. BR (or whatever)
- 20:12:26 [hawke_1]
- Then maybe just change http://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/4eff3cf6-101f-4164-a42c-7ccc178e2229 to dacapo??
- 20:12:38 [hawke_1]
- (whoops, double question mark :-/
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- 20:13:01 [reosarevok]
- )
- 20:13:09 [reosarevok]
- :)
- 20:13:12 [hawke_1]
- ) indeed.
- 20:13:35 [hawke_1]
- reosarevok: Care to weigh in on this release [group]?
- 20:13:58 [reosarevok]
- Maybe, if you tell me about it :p
- 20:14:18 [hawke_1]
- reosarevok: http://beta.musicbrainz.org/release-group/b865b1f5-232e-4ddc-8c7e-2837799fafc8
- 20:14:29 [hawke_1]
- The label/catno/barcodes feel suspicious to me.
- 20:15:14 [hawke_1]
- NML doesn’t have much on them — it doesn’t have the 8.554966 one at all.
- 20:16:05 [reosarevok]
- well, dacapo is part of the naxos empire, right?
- 20:16:10 [hawke_1]
- Yep.
- 20:20:30 [reosarevok]
- So... I have a plan
- 20:20:34 [reosarevok]
- You mail them! :D
- 20:20:49 [hawke_1]
- :-p
- 20:21:11 [kovacsur]
- I figured out the WDR/BR logos at least
- 20:21:16 [hawke_1]
- Oh?
- 20:21:47 [kovacsur]
- WDR = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westdeutscher_Rundfunk
- 20:21:51 [kovacsur]
- BR = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayerischer_Rundfunk
- 20:22:45 [noobie]
- reosarevok: how would you interpret this title http://s.discogss.com/image/R-644913-1142688999.jpeg
- 20:22:46 [noobie]
- ?
- 20:23:12 [noobie]
- Deep Mental Trauma: Part1: The First Gram or rather Deep Mental Trauma Part1: The First Gram
- 20:23:14 [hawke_1]
- kovacsur: Isn’t that a different logo?
- 20:23:24 [noobie]
- or probably even Deep Mental Trauma, Part1: The First Gram
- 20:23:41 [reosarevok]
- noobie: hotlinking to discogs images only works if you've visited the release before
- 20:23:55 [noobie]
- ...
- 20:24:06 [kovacsur]
- hawke_1, probably an older logo, but the full name is printed on the back cover http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1546815
- 20:24:15 [hawke_1]
- kovacsur: Ah, OK.
- 20:24:33 [noobie]
- i do not necessarily have to stick to the discogs title...
- 20:24:37 [noobie]
- ?
- 20:27:54 [reosarevok]
- noobie: I haven't seen the cover, since it's a discogs image URL and I haven't visited the release in discogs
- 20:32:01 [noobie]
- ah :D
- 20:32:05 [noobie]
- now i understand,sorry
- 20:32:13 [noobie]
- that's..weird
- 20:32:18 [noobie]
- http://www.discogs.com/Various-Deep-Mental-Trauma-Part-1-The-First-Gram/release/644913
- 20:32:34 [reosarevok]
- That's to avoid people hotlinking to their images and eating their bandwidth
- 20:32:47 [noobie]
- i see
- 20:37:53 [portik]
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- 20:38:22 [reosarevok]
- noobie: I'd go with Deep Mental Trauma, Part 1: The First Gram
- 20:38:29 [noobie]
- that's what i did :)
- 20:38:46 [noobie]
- thanks for still answering my noob questions ;-)
- 20:42:10 [derwin]
- noobie don't I know you from #beets?
- 20:44:54 [mat_]
- how do we note that a song is in the public domain with no real composer and all ?
- 20:45:03 [mat_]
- s/song/work/
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- 20:45:38 [noobie]
- derwin: don't think so,i've only been there a short time..if was there at all.. :D
- 20:45:38 [kovacsur]
- mat_, credit it to [traditional]
- 20:46:50 [kovacsur]
- er, or [anonymous]. What kind of work is it?
- 20:47:34 [mat_]
- kovacsur, a song credited DP with only a lyricist and an arranger on iswcnet
- 20:47:53 [kovacsur]
- that's most likely an arrangement of a traditional song, yes
- 20:48:58 [kovacsur]
- so optimally, you'd find out what the traditional song/tune is, create a work for it, then relate the new work as a later version of it
- 20:49:13 [kovacsur]
- and add the arranger/lyricist relationships to the new one
- 20:50:35 [MJ]
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- 20:54:51 [mat_]
- I could even ask the arranger on twitter, we do live interesting times...
- 20:55:12 [kovacsur]
- sounds like a good idea :)
- 20:59:17 [derwin]
- I have a question I want answered by krs-one
- 20:59:20 [derwin]
- I should ask him
- 20:59:45 [derwin]
- http://www.discogs.com/KRS-One-Why-One-More-Shot/release/1208011
- 20:59:54 [derwin]
- "what *is* this?"
- 21:00:57 [derwin]
- it looks like a bootleg
- 21:01:04 [derwin]
- but it's the only place that track appears
- 21:01:31 [noobie]
- :D
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- 21:47:06 [alex_____]
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- 21:48:35 [alex_____]
- hey - I'm using the musicbrainzngs Python API, and I don't get "includes" results when using, e.g., get_artist_by_id(id, includes=['url-rels'])
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- 21:54:29 [Mineo]
- alex_____: does the artist you're querying have any url relationships?:)
- 21:55:16 [adhawkins]
- alex_____: try http://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/artist/xxx-xxx-xxx?inc=url-rels
- 21:55:23 [adhawkins]
- (put in the artist id obviously)
- 21:56:14 [Mineo]
- alex_____: oh, sorry, you need a version which includes https://github.com/alastair/python-musicbrainz-ngs/commit/587d69e6582b26b3e8a655f885c7383554928c02
- 21:56:56 [Mineo]
- which unfortunately is not included in any released version :(
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- 22:11:32 [alex_____]
- Mineo / adhawkins : yes - it works when I directly query the url - so I'll get the last github version thanks!
- 22:11:38 [alex_____]
- thanks for the hint
- 22:14:22 [LordSputnik]
- hey all
- 22:14:29 [LordSputnik]
- updated the Recordings Proposal again
- 22:14:34 [LordSputnik]
- it's really, really simple now
- 22:14:41 [LordSputnik]
- https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:LordSputnik/Recording_Style_Guidelines
- 22:15:32 [hawke_1]
- * hawke_1 reads.
- 22:16:23 [hawke_1]
- Hmm, not sure about “conflicting ARs: correct them before you merge”
- 22:16:40 [LordSputnik]
- why not? :P
- 22:16:52 [LordSputnik]
- if they're correct already, the edit will be no-voted
- 22:17:08 [hawke_1]
- Because it feels weird to have to remove an AR, wait two weeks, merge
- 22:17:39 [LordSputnik]
- Won't do when the interface is nicer :P
- 22:18:05 [LordSputnik]
- and the alternative is merging, waiting two weeks, then removing an AR?
- 22:18:10 [LordSputnik]
- so still takes 2 weeks
- 22:18:41 [hawke_1]
- Yes, but if you do the merge and forget about the AR, it can be caught later more easily IMO.
- 22:18:52 [hawke_1]
- when someone goes “hey, this has two mastering engineers” or whatever
- 22:19:23 [hawke_1]
- I would just say “If you're sure two recordings are the same and the relationships are wrong, make sure to correct them when you merge”
- 22:20:51 [hawke_1]
- That way it can be done before or after, or if/when the UI allows it, at the same time.
- 22:23:10 [LordSputnik]
- "#Don't merge recordings if they have conflicting relationships. If you're sure two recordings are the same and the relationships are wrong, correct them."
- 22:23:49 [drsaunde]
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- 22:23:54 [hawke_1]
- That’d work.
- 22:26:34 [LordSputnik]
- "Generally, don't merge recordings if they have conflicting relationships. However, if you're certain that two recordings are the same and relationships are wrong, merge the recordings then correct the relationships. "
- 22:29:31 [hawke_1]
- then→and
- 22:29:47 [hawke_1]
- Order really doesn’t matter that much
- 22:37:03 [LordSputnik]
- Ok
- 22:37:11 [LordSputnik]
- All updated
- 22:37:20 [LordSputnik]
- I've extended the RFC again until Sunday
- 22:37:38 [LordSputnik]
- hopefully will have a +1 by then, since there's nothing controversial at all in this now
- 22:37:47 [LordSputnik]
- it's more or a rephrasing of the current guidelines
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- 22:38:10 [hawke_1]
- I was about to ask if it actually changed anything from the current guidelines…
- 22:38:36 [LordSputnik]
- It adds the bit about different channels
- 22:38:45 [LordSputnik]
- although that's for merging now
- 22:38:51 [LordSputnik]
- and also for creating new releases
- 22:39:28 [LordSputnik]
- and it also changes isrcs
- 22:40:05 [LordSputnik]
- and adds a bit about silence at the start and end of recordings
- 22:40:48 [hawke_1]
- k
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