IRC log of musicbrainz on 2014-04-14
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- 00:33:07 [Gentlecat]
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- 00:41:21 [Cook879]
- Learning that remasters are no longer seperate has made my adding a "original studio master" disamiguation to 20 discs of recordings a wasted effort - could have done it by recording date like when I started last year until someone complained about remasters and I changed course
- 00:45:12 [Cook879]
- Ahhh well, I'm on holiday for a week - I'll consider my approach then - to be honest that's the easy part - matching recordings is the main/hard bit
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- 03:06:42 [VxJasonxV]
- Soundcloud isn't a built in advrel type?
- 03:10:50 [VxJasonxV]
- also I mean URL rel
- 03:10:52 [VxJasonxV]
- not adv rel
- 03:20:01 [JesseW]
- I think it is...
- 03:22:35 [JesseW]
- see http://musicbrainz.org/artist/bd959a9e-cfad-4f6f-a360-667dba441dae for example
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- 03:49:30 [JesseW]
- VxJasonxV: ping
- 03:49:45 [VxJasonxV]
- haiii
- 03:50:11 [VxJasonxV]
- I'm talking about release level URL ars
- 03:50:17 [VxJasonxV]
- and it looks like it might just be a bug in the new release form
- 03:50:24 [VxJasonxV]
- and not the add url form for a release
- 03:50:29 [VxJasonxV]
- but, thanks for checking anyway
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- 04:42:25 [JesseW]
- VxJasonxV: so what exactly did you observe? I'm glad to test it on my end. And have you opened a ticket for it?
- 04:42:57 [VxJasonxV]
- pasting a URL into the relevant field on the add release page does not match a type automatically like adding a URL to a release after fact does.
- 04:43:02 [VxJasonxV]
- I'm bad at tickets
- 04:43:23 [JesseW]
- No worries -- I'll open one, then (once I've verified it).
- 04:43:45 [JesseW]
- VxJasonxV: is this on beta or release?
- 04:43:50 [VxJasonxV]
- release
- 04:43:52 [VxJasonxV]
- I should start using beta
- 04:44:03 [JesseW]
- yeah, check it on beta
- 04:44:41 [JesseW]
- what's an example of a URL that you've tried?
- 04:44:56 [JesseW]
- Is it one like this: https://soundcloud.com/timgriffinmusic/sets/insult-to-injury
- 04:45:04 [VxJasonxV]
- exactly
- 04:45:07 [VxJasonxV]
- errr, no
- 04:45:09 [VxJasonxV]
- sorry, not a set
- 04:45:11 [VxJasonxV]
- one sec
- 04:45:18 [JesseW]
- no prob. ;-)
- 04:45:21 [VxJasonxV]
- http://soundcloud.com/nobodyhardcore/ganar-nobody-never-let-you-go-free is one I added tonight
- 04:46:17 [JesseW]
- That doesn't come up automatically for me even when editing a release...
- 04:46:40 [JesseW]
- and there is no SoundCloud URL-Release AR...
- 04:46:50 [JesseW]
- do you mean a recording, not a release?
- 04:47:24 [JesseW]
- No, there's no URL-Recording AR, either.
- 04:47:42 [VxJasonxV]
- hum
- 04:47:48 [JesseW]
- I think we only support SoundCloud URL-Artist ARs, currently.
- 04:47:57 [VxJasonxV]
- indeed
- 04:48:04 [VxJasonxV]
- so then it was either beatport or youtube
- 04:48:05 [JesseW]
- You'll need to send in a proposal to add the other ones.
- 04:48:17 [JesseW]
- Examples?
- 04:48:26 [VxJasonxV]
- I'm testing for myself
- 04:48:34 [JesseW]
- thanks!
- 04:48:56 [VxJasonxV]
- not youtube...
- 04:49:03 [VxJasonxV]
- it doesn't work automatically for either
- 04:49:05 [JesseW]
- here's the soundcloud Artist-URL AR: http://musicbrainz.org/relationship/89e4a949-0976-440d-bda1-5f772c1e5710
- 04:49:16 [VxJasonxV]
- I'm talking release-URL ARs
- 04:49:24 [VxJasonxV]
- because you can't add an artist-URL AR from the release editor
- 04:49:37 [JesseW]
- Release or recording?
- 04:49:42 [VxJasonxV]
- release
- 04:50:07 [VxJasonxV]
- UGH I was testing with an RG rather than a release
- 04:50:09 [VxJasonxV]
- sdfgjklhaldfsg
- 04:50:16 [JesseW]
- The link you gave is to a recording, though, not a release, I think... Aren't releases sets on Soundcloud?
- 04:50:31 [VxJasonxV]
- oh, that's what you're asking
- 04:50:34 [VxJasonxV]
- so
- 04:50:38 [VxJasonxV]
- I add a lot of one-offs
- 04:50:48 [VxJasonxV]
- more niche artists that just release a song every once in a while
- 04:50:55 [VxJasonxV]
- I add them as a single in MBz, and link to the single track page on SC
- 04:51:18 [JesseW]
- Why do you add them as singles, rather than standalone recordings?
- 04:51:46 [VxJasonxV]
- last I knew, dealing with standalone recordings were pretty impossible to deal with in Picard
- 04:51:48 [JesseW]
- I mainly do filk & celtic music, which also has a lot of very obscure artists.
- 04:51:56 [JesseW]
- Ah, that makes sense.
- 04:52:00 [VxJasonxV]
- maybe
- 04:52:07 [VxJasonxV]
- admittedly this is something that I haven't revisited in a very long time
- 04:52:15 [VxJasonxV]
- one of those things where the rules evolved pre-NGS, post-NGS, and even later
- 04:52:30 [JesseW]
- But that does explain why you are linking single recordings to releases, yep.
- 04:53:33 [JesseW]
- And is the AR you are thinking of http://musicbrainz.org/relationship/9896ecd0-6d29-482d-a21e-bd5d1b5e3425 "download for free" or http://musicbrainz.org/relationship/08445ccf-7b99-4438-9f9a-fb9ac18099ee "streaming music"?
- 04:53:52 [VxJasonxV]
- depends
- 04:54:10 [JesseW]
- ? There is no specific SoundCloud one for Releases...
- 04:54:11 [VxJasonxV]
- of course, SC's limited download numbers makes it hard. I usually add SC links as "Download for free" if the buttons there
- 04:54:18 [VxJasonxV]
- but it will stop working after so many downloads
- 04:54:21 [JesseW]
- makes sense
- 04:54:26 [VxJasonxV]
- and afterwards it becomes "stream for free"
- 04:55:06 [JesseW]
- but that's what should pop up automatically, and it doesn't, right?
- 04:55:18 [VxJasonxV]
- I didn't pay attention to the type
- 04:55:25 [VxJasonxV]
- just whether or not some type automatically selected
- 04:55:26 [JesseW]
- well, that would be one reason -- how could it automatically determine which AR to pick.
- 04:55:28 [VxJasonxV]
- as that was my chief complaint
- 04:55:39 [JesseW]
- since both download and stream might be appropriate
- 04:56:39 [VxJasonxV]
- stream for free is always the case in SC
- 04:56:42 [VxJasonxV]
- download is not
- 04:57:03 [VxJasonxV]
- since downloads are limited, personally I would be fine with SC links always automatically picking the 'can be streamed for free' type
- 04:57:48 [JesseW]
- that makes sense. I would also support that
- 04:58:15 [JesseW]
- have you verified whether it fails in both editing and adding a new release?
- 04:58:23 [JesseW]
- on release and beta?
- 04:58:28 [VxJasonxV]
- it does on release
- 04:58:40 [VxJasonxV]
- it does on beta
- 05:00:10 [JesseW]
- for both editing and adding?
- 05:01:02 [VxJasonxV]
- yeah
- 05:02:10 [JesseW]
- hm. so the original issue (of a difference between editing and adding) you noticed isn't reproducible. But I'll see about adding a request for Soundcloud recording links to default to "streaming music"
- 05:02:19 [VxJasonxV]
- yeah
- 05:02:27 [VxJasonxV]
- I unfortunately have a very bad habit of doing that
- 05:02:42 [VxJasonxV]
- speeding through multiple releases I'm entering, and confusing details of little nagging bits along the way
- 05:02:46 [JesseW]
- no worries.
- 05:02:53 [VxJasonxV]
- and revisiting it, I come up with a reasonable reason
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- 05:22:10 [JesseW]
- http://www.mail-archive.com/musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org/msg18977.html <- here's my post on -style about the suggestion
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- 09:55:31 [CatQuest]
- http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J3XWBDP2L.jpg or http://www.doctorwhoreviews.co.uk/The%20Pescatons_files/The%20Pescatons%20CD%20Cover.jpg ?
- 09:56:11 [reosarevok]
- I think the second looks fine
- 09:56:19 [reosarevok]
- But of course I dunno what the *real* colours are :)
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- 10:38:21 [drsaunde]
- reosarevok: don't know if you can do anything, but i think area_bot may need a thrashing
- 10:39:38 [reosarevok]
- I can't really, no
- 10:39:53 [reosarevok]
- Sowwy :(
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- 10:46:10 [drsaunde]
- worth a shot :-)
- 10:46:36 [drsaunde]
- has it started warming up in estonia?
- 10:47:35 [reosarevok]
- Yeah, it's been over zero for a while
- 10:47:45 [reosarevok]
- Of course that mean the rain is here :p
- 10:47:54 [CatQuest]
- reosarevok: can you do your magic "copy the url to the import" thing on http://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/11239be1-b09a-4b6c-815b-04839bc795a9 ?
- 10:47:54 [reosarevok]
- (and in a month or so the mosquitoes will come)
- 10:47:57 [reosarevok]
- But :)
- 10:48:17 [reosarevok]
- haha
- 10:48:33 [reosarevok]
- CatQuest: if you specify the URL, yes :)
- 10:48:46 [CatQuest]
- i linked earlier the two covers
- 10:49:34 [reosarevok]
- And which one you want in the end? The second? :)
- 10:49:42 [CatQuest]
- you get to pick sice I don't know :D
- 10:49:49 [CatQuest]
- (i like the first ot be honest)
- 10:49:53 [CatQuest]
- but i dunno
- 10:50:35 [reosarevok]
- Huh
- 10:50:41 [reosarevok]
- They're actually slightly different
- 10:50:45 [CatQuest]
- :o
- 10:51:00 [reosarevok]
- (SLADEN in one ends closer to the end of the bluish line than on the other)
- 10:51:29 [reosarevok]
- So I'll go for the Amazon one, but the one linked from our sidebar which is very slightly larger :)
- 10:52:01 [CatQuest]
- oh yay
- 10:52:03 [CatQuest]
- yea
- 10:52:17 [CatQuest]
- * CatQuest o O (why didn't I see that)
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- 11:26:06 [CatQuest]
- how can I link a release group to http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_and_the_Pescatons
- 11:37:06 [yeeeargh]
- hiho, i need your help with a release i bought recently. i'm unsure if i should add it as a new release or if this release already exists on musicbrainz
- 11:37:15 [yeeeargh]
- it's this one: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0000CAXID?tag=musicbrainz0d-20 which looks like this one on a first glance http://musicbrainz.org/release/7aa23f60-a157-3745-a75a-99df9ce125e1
- 11:37:28 [yeeeargh]
- but there are some tiny tiny differences, so i'm not sure. (also the discogs/amazon relationships on the mb release are both from the US release. but i don't know if it differes from the eu one)
- 11:37:37 [yeeeargh]
- one thing: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YIhRYS1xL.jpg if you look at the bottom it says "made in the eu". i don't know, if that is valid for the us release too.
- 11:37:45 [yeeeargh]
- the other thing is, that the release i have doesn't have the "BMG" logo, but one from "Sony Music" on the same place. it's this logo http://www.discogs.com/label/25487-Sony-Music just in black/white. and discogs mentions "Please note that the logo was different before 2005." i don't know how that logo looked back then, but that might indicate that this release was made after 2005 while the releasedate on musi
- 11:37:45 [yeeeargh]
- cbrainz/discogs/amazon is in 2003.
- 11:46:02 [reosarevok]
- Different logos, different releases
- 11:46:32 [reosarevok]
- (and different release labels, I imagine?)
- 11:46:48 [reosarevok]
- Hmm, ok, no, label is probably RCA
- 11:46:56 [reosarevok]
- Or Roswell
- 11:47:03 [reosarevok]
- But anyway, still different releases :)
- 11:47:11 [yeeeargh]
- if these are the logos … i think it's only RCA
- 11:47:18 [yeeeargh]
- at least the cat# suggests this
- 11:47:38 [yeeeargh]
- "RCA 82blablabla"
- 11:48:37 [yeeeargh]
- do you have any advice how i could find the actual release date of this on?
- 11:50:12 [reosarevok]
- Not really :(
- 11:50:17 [reosarevok]
- Just leave it blank, if unsure
- 11:50:30 [yeeeargh]
- couldn't find anything on the release itself. the only indicator i was able to find there was the company who manufactured the cd. there's a logo of "Arvato Digital Services" on it. lloking at the wikipedia entry of this company says that they changed to this name sometime in 2008
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- 13:44:12 [CatQuest]
- http://rhymeswithorange.com/comics/february-24-2014/ :D
- 13:47:46 [reosarevok]
- :D
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- 15:22:35 [kepstin-laptop]
- man, this canadian weather is weird
- 15:22:47 [kepstin-laptop]
- today is 23°C, tomorrow will be -3°C.
- 15:23:06 [kepstin-laptop]
- rian today, snow tomorrow :/
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- kepstin-laptop: how do you know what tomorrow will be ? i thought i was the only one entitled to this…
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- http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-118_metric_e.html ... ?
- 15:52:14 [jesus2099]
- oh ! don’t tell me you believe them
- 15:52:25 [jesus2099]
- is https://userscripts.org now completely over ?
- 15:52:36 [kepstin-laptop]
- will you believe them if they write the forecast in french? http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-118_metric_f.html ;)
- 15:52:54 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop doesn't trust that more than a couple days out, but it's usually not bad
- 15:53:05 [jesus2099]
- i don’t believe fortune tellers ;)
- 15:53:50 [jesus2099]
- it’s so variable where i live, the best is to look up at the sky at the last minute to know if you better take that umbrella or not… and you take it anyway.
- 15:54:26 [kepstin-laptop]
- http://weather.gc.ca/forecast/hourly/on-118_metric_e.html - apparently it's gonna be raining when I head home from work, and I didn't bring a raincoat or umbrella :(
- 15:55:51 [kepstin-laptop]
- well, it's listed as "showers", not "rain", so it'll be intermittent.
- 15:56:17 [chirlu`]
- Free shower!
- 15:57:55 [kepstin-laptop]
- * kepstin-laptop has water and hot water included in his apartment, so all his showers are free ;)
- 16:01:30 [jesus2099]
- kepstin-laptop: I have multiple umbrellas at home AND at office, such embarrassing situation cannot happen to me ;)
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- 16:52:26 [chirlu`]
- CallerNo6 and others interested in Discogs URL cleanup: I updated http://reports.mbsandbox.org/report/175/view to show pending edits (orange background, separately for URL entity and artist).
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- chirlu`: copy
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