IRC log of musicbrainz on 2015-07-06

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02:09:00 [hibiscuskazenek1]
Is MB slow for anyone else?
02:09:19 [hibiscuskazenek1]
aaaand I just got a 504
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Something's not right here https://musicbrainz.org/edit/33917275
03:25:00 [hibiscuskazenek1]
Why didn't it go through?
03:39:08 [bitmap]
might be the cache acting funny again, I see the proper quote in the database
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07:19:05 [hibiscuskazeneko]
I'm not sure if this is an alias or a group http://www.kiss-related-recordings.nl/acefrehley_venusenvy.html
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07:53:02 [CatQuest]
venus envy is a webcomic
08:02:26 [hibiscuskazeneko]
and it appears to be a recurring band name
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08:41:16 [jesus2099]
i guess you do know but currently MBS is being v-e-r-y s-l-o-w
08:41:39 [jesus2099]
“very”, not “ultra”
08:43:11 [jesus2099]
about 30 seconds for a page load… it makes 1 minute for a track to track recording merge → 10 minutes for a release…
08:43:47 [jesus2099]
(hoperfully it’s automatic and background) ;)
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09:28:15 [jesus2099]
Have no other one noticed the artists marked as pending are out of sync with reality ? http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-8461 maybe it’s just a limited set of artists…
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12:45:06 [jesus2099]
reosarevok or Freso : if you are here, in this stuff http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=5811 “it” seems to refer to Picard → if you could move to Tagger support, would be cool :)
12:45:19 [reosarevok]
Will check
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13:21:55 [jesus2099]
thanks reosarevok :)
13:24:25 [reosarevok]
np
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My Sailor Moon R Blu-ray just shipped!
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17:28:02 [CJ_]
What relationship should be used when an artist releases a new version of a song? Only the lyrics are the same. The instruments and tone are all new. Remix does not seem appropriate.
17:29:48 [CallerNo6]
for pop (as opposed to classical) you would normally link the two recordings to the same work
17:30:49 [CallerNo6]
unless the music is really different, in which case you can create two separate works if you think it is important, and link those works together
17:31:37 [CJ_]
The music is very different.
17:31:49 [CJ_]
My dilemma is how to link the two works together?
17:32:22 [CallerNo6]
probably https://musicbrainz.org/relationship/7440b539-19ab-4243-8c03-4f5942ca2218
17:32:58 [CJ_]
Neither of those are applicable.
17:33:09 [CJ_]
It is not a parody and it was not translated.
17:33:43 [CJ_]
"In most cases, new versions of a work should simply be performances of the original work."
17:33:49 [CallerNo6]
oh. those are optional attributes. if you leave them unchecked, the relationship is simply [work a]<is another version of>[work b]
17:33:53 [CJ_]
I am not sure how to indicate that.
17:34:02 [CJ_]
CallerNo6, Understood.
17:34:09 [pankkake]
isn't there a "based on" work-work relationship?
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17:34:58 [CallerNo6]
Like I said, for non-classical, you should usually use the same work. Otherwise every jazz recording ever made would be a different work.
17:35:43 [CallerNo6]
CJ_, "not sure how to indicate" what?
17:36:32 [CallerNo6]
do you mean, not sure how to indicate " new versions of a work should simply be performances of the original work"?
17:36:45 [CJ_]
Yes.
17:37:14 [reosarevok]
You just link the recording to the original work
17:37:27 [CallerNo6]
oh. that means that the two *recordings* should be linked to the original work
17:37:28 [reosarevok]
(if there's no work, you create one and link both versions to it)
17:38:21 [CJ_]
I am not sure what you mean. Can you link an example?
17:40:47 [CallerNo6]
I like to use jazz for examples like this, because they are reinterpreted so often.
17:40:50 [CallerNo6]
So https://musicbrainz.org/work/f99aa87a-d665-3d56-8df6-1fb072ab2042
17:41:15 [CallerNo6]
One work, recorded many times, often sounds very different.
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17:42:30 [CallerNo6]
each time it is recorded, the new recording is linked to the original work using [new recording]<is a recording of>[work]
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17:42:51 [CallerNo6]
does that make sense?
17:43:42 [CallerNo6]
So the recordings aren't linked directly together. They are linked through their common work.
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17:51:46 [tgb_nl]
in discogs there all mixes are reported but on the case there are no mix's. but yet i'm reasonably certain that the tracks on the cd are indeed the mixes. should i enter the titles from the case or copy them from discogs and add which mix it is.
17:52:42 [Freso]
tgb_nl: The titles from the case.
17:55:07 [CallerNo6]
re-reading it, the sentence CJ_ linked to is kind of misleading
17:55:37 [tgb_nl]
is the some way i could still add this data to musicbrainz
17:56:30 [CJ_]
How do I create a work?
17:57:19 [CallerNo6]
CJ_, https://musicbrainz.org/work/create
17:57:50 [CallerNo6]
The link is in the "editing" pulldown menu
17:58:18 [CallerNo6]
Can you link to the recordings you're talking about?
17:58:45 [CallerNo6]
er, I mean, can *I* have a link to the recordings that you're talking about
18:00:19 [CJ_]
CallerNo6, Understood. :) Give me a moment.
18:00:32 [CallerNo6]
CJ_, https://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_to_Use_Works may also be helpful
18:02:14 [CallerNo6]
(oh, crap, that could use some updating. still, the basics are still relevant)
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22:53:04 [CatQuest]
imho the recording should have the mix data on them?
23:00:39 [hibiscuskazeneko]
CatQuest: Who are you responding to?
23:27:24 [KillDaBOB]
i just now came across this: https://musicbrainz.org/user/wooot/edits/rejected
23:27:28 [KillDaBOB]
all i have: hah!
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23:47:42 [hibiscuskazeneko]
KillDaBOB: I remember those. I was one of the editors who pointed those out.
23:47:45 [hibiscuskazeneko]
Also this http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-8468
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