IRC log of musicbrainz on 2008-02-24

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00:12:11 [cizra]
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Hi
00:12:15 [cizra]
I need some help.
00:12:26 [cizra]
I added this disk: http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=602767 almost a year ago
00:12:30 [cizra]
and then forgot about it completely.
00:12:41 [yllona]
help with what?
00:12:52 [cizra]
I was asked a few questions. I answered them here: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?object_type=album&orderby=desc&object_id=602767
00:12:56 [cizra]
(notes)
00:13:18 [cizra]
Well, I want the changes to get somewhere. The guy who cleaned my mess up has probably long since forgotten me.
00:13:27 [cizra]
For example: where do I stick that disk ID?
00:13:33 [cizra]
Also, how do I figure it out in the first place?
00:14:04 [yllona]
you mean the catalog number and label or the PUID (acoustic fingerprint)
00:14:15 [cizra]
No, disk ID
00:14:30 [cizra]
The guy asked: If you have the cd, could you add the discid?
00:14:42 [cizra]
Well, I have the CD, but I'm not sure about that discid.
00:15:02 [yllona]
hold on, i'm reading everything
00:18:29 [warp]
cizra: the discid is calculated by picard when you try to look up a cd with picard.
00:19:25 [yllona]
i can't help you with the disc id, as i have a mac
00:19:27 [warp]
cizra: by using picard to search for a cd in this way, you can also add the discid of that cd to a release in musicbrainz.
00:19:29 [cizra]
What's that picard?
00:19:40 [cizra]
Some kind of music player?
00:20:16 [yllona]
it's an automated tool for musicbrianz that wil identify tracks in your collection
00:20:26 [yllona]
one sec...
00:20:32 [warp]
cizra: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardTagger
00:20:48 [warp]
cizra: how are you using musicbrainz?
00:20:56 [cizra]
Am not using it.
00:21:06 [cizra]
I just tried to pull the disc data from CDDB.
00:21:10 [yllona]
cizra: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/HowToTagFilesWithPicard?action=show&redirect=PicardQuickStartGuide
00:21:24 [cizra]
Then I saw that since it has no disc id set, it hasn't wound up in CDDB at all.
00:21:37 [cizra]
That's why I want now the disc id to appear there.
00:22:04 [yllona]
but if you have the CD, you can add the release events (release date/country for the CD)
00:22:14 [warp]
cizra: musicbrainz doesn't add anything to CDDB
00:22:25 [yllona]
to get the disc id you'll need to install picard
00:23:01 [cizra]
OK, what's that Label field?
00:23:08 [cizra]
What's that Catalog # field?
00:23:23 [warp]
cizra: record label, catalog number.
00:23:34 [cizra]
Record label? Well, it has no labels on it.
00:23:39 [cizra]
Frankly I don't understand that terminology.
00:24:05 [cizra]
In other words, I have no idea what to put in any of these fields -- except the format, which is regular audio CD.
00:24:13 [cizra]
Also, there's no field to put disc id into.
00:24:35 [cizra]
* cizra feels useless.
00:25:09 [yllona]
cizra: to you have an official copy of this CD? if so the record label and catalog number with be printed on the CD inserts.
00:25:12 [cizra]
yes
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00:25:32 [yllona]
okay look on the CD case, on the back
00:25:39 [cizra]
Heh. The case is long gone (=
00:26:00 [yllona]
what about the CD insert?
00:26:04 [cizra]
wait, no
00:26:05 [cizra]
found them
00:26:38 [yllona]
okay, the label will be printed on the CD itself, and the CD insert
00:27:07 [yllona]
the catalog number is usually printed below the label name
00:27:23 [cizra]
hmmhmm
00:27:28 [cizra]
3-1656-2 (above)
00:27:38 [cizra]
(LC) 1083 below it
00:27:42 [cizra]
LC is in a circle
00:27:54 [cizra]
| D | D | D| (in boxes) below them
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00:28:32 [yllona]
DDD is the type of audio recording "Digital/digital/digital"
00:28:49 [cizra]
OK
00:29:17 [cizra]
So, 3-1656-2 is probably the label?
00:29:28 [cizra]
No way to figure out the release date, I suppose...
00:29:39 [yllona]
no, probly catalog number one sec
00:30:18 [yllona]
is thhis the CD?
00:30:21 [yllona]
http://www.amazon.com/Percussion-Concert-Peter-Sadlo/dp/B0002QXRKM
00:30:39 [cizra]
no
00:30:59 [cizra]
* cizra searches amazon as well
00:31:03 [yllona]
or thhis one: http://www.amazon.com/Percussion-Concert-Paul-Creston/dp/B000007N8D
00:31:48 [cizra]
Doesn't seem to be there.
00:31:49 [yllona]
or this? http://www.amazon.com/Percussion-Concert-2-Franco-Donatoni/dp/B00000J8RE
00:32:17 [cizra]
nope
00:33:23 [cizra]
The name is "Instruments in Concert", but http://www.amazon.com/Instruments-in-Concert/dp/B000025GQ3 is not it.
00:33:41 [yllona]
here's his web site: http://www.sadlo-percussion.de/
00:34:10 [cizra]
OK, this sounds improbable, but it's not there either.
00:34:40 [warp]
this then? http://www.amazon.de/Instruments-Concert-Peter-Sadlo/dp/B000024A2G
00:35:12 [cizra]
yes!
00:35:32 [yllona]
the label is koch international
00:35:54 [warp]
I would say the label is "Koch Schwann"
00:36:07 [yllona]
it's the same
00:36:50 [cizra]
The disc is manufactured in Austria.
00:37:02 [cizra]
But the release might have been in Germany or something.
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00:37:07 [cizra]
How to figure out?
00:37:27 [cizra]
I think I'll just put Austria in there.
00:37:42 [cizra]
OK, what about catalog number? 3-1656-2?
00:38:14 [cizra]
Barcode is probably hopeless...
00:38:27 [cizra]
oh, wait, it's on the case as well
00:38:44 [warp]
yllona: label code and catalog numbers don't match up.
00:39:07 [yllona]
label web site: http://www.kochentertainment.com/ this artist is not listed
00:39:38 [yllona]
ok, let me check koch distribution, one sec
00:40:26 [yllona]
http://www.kochdistribution.com/labels.aspx
00:40:38 [warp]
yllona: Koch International acquired Schwann, and relabeled it as Koch/Schwann.
00:40:49 [yllona]
warp thanks!
00:40:50 [warp]
http://www.discogs.com/label/Koch+Schwann
00:41:06 [warp]
so, IMO needs to be a seperate entry in MB
00:41:50 [yllona]
i think so too, hold on lookng for koch/schwan catalog
00:41:54 [cizra]
Uh..
00:42:16 [warp]
cizra: yes, we're serious about this stuff ;)
00:42:27 [cizra]
Also, no place to stick disc id into has appeared.
00:42:45 [warp]
cizra: no, the disc id is handled by picard. there is no other way to add it.
00:43:21 [cizra]
Drat.
00:43:29 [cizra]
I really can't understand the reason.
00:43:48 [yllona]
becuase it needs to be calculated
00:44:09 [cizra]
bc0c7f0d there ya go, calculated it
00:44:22 [cizra]
mplayer and abcde give identical results
00:44:42 [yllona]
warp: funny koch/schwann isn't listed on the koch distribution site
00:45:20 [yllona]
nor is it listed on koch entertainment
00:45:37 [warp]
yllona: universal is no longer using the imprint.
00:46:16 [yllona]
lloks like, i have several koch recordings ...
00:46:52 [yllona]
too bad, was a great affordable classical label
00:47:10 [yllona]
here's koch's structure now: http://www.kochent.com/companychart.htm
00:47:59 [cizra]
So, what should I stick into those Label and Catalog # fields?
00:48:28 [warp]
cizra: Label: Koch Schwann, Catalog #: 3-1656-2
00:48:41 [yllona]
koch is still releasing clasical, just not as koch/schwann
00:48:59 [yllona]
http://www.kochentertainment.com/classical.htm
00:49:15 [cizra]
There ya go
00:49:55 [cizra]
http://musicbrainz.org/edit/albumreleases/review.html?releaseid=602767
00:49:58 [cizra]
has a release event.
00:50:17 [warp]
hm, not yet.
00:50:22 [cizra]
oh fuck
00:50:29 [yllona]
yep. not yet
00:50:44 [cizra]
Did it disappear?
00:51:24 [warp]
ah, there it is.
00:51:51 [warp]
cizra: great!
00:52:00 [cizra]
Not at all.
00:52:05 [yllona]
yes looks good
00:52:07 [cizra]
I couldn't enter the disc id
00:52:13 [cizra]
therefore it won't wind up in CDDB
00:52:20 [cizra]
therefore the whole business will be useless for me.
00:52:47 [warp]
cizra: it won't end up in cddb anyway.
00:53:10 [yllona]
* yllona grieves at the loss of koch/schwann as a label.
00:53:58 [cizra]
What about this? http://musicbrainz.org/doc/FreeDBGateway
00:54:46 [warp]
cizra: yes, you can use that instead of CDDB in any software which uses the cddb/freedb protocol.
00:55:19 [cizra]
Well, my point. It won't wind up there because it has no discid attached.
00:55:48 [warp]
cizra: you could try picard :)
00:57:07 [cizra]
Nah. Let's stay polite.
00:58:53 [cizra]
OK, that's it. My $0.02 to the world happiness.
00:58:55 [cizra]
G'night.
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01:03:42 [warp]
that release still needs more cleanup.
01:03:46 [rcross]
ruaok, yllona - how'd the osx compile go?
01:03:57 [warp]
stuff missing from the release title, and i don't think the release artist is accurate. :/
01:04:13 [yllona]
rcross: i just got back about an hour ago, haven't tried again
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01:06:24 [rcross]
oh ok - it sounded like things were almost working when i left
01:06:28 [yllona]
warp: done
01:06:52 [yllona]
rcross: i ihave to explicitly link a library, seems like
01:07:39 [yllona]
the header file exists and is up-to-date on my systems, but the configure/make isn't finding it
01:07:56 [yllona]
so i'll try to edit the configure after dinner
01:09:25 [rcross]
ok, sounds good
01:09:39 [yllona]
warp: i also added ARs for the artist
01:10:46 [yllona]
* yllona returns to listening to richard pryor
01:11:07 [warp]
edit configure sounds like a bad idea.
01:11:31 [yllona]
warp i'm thinking a command line option actually :)
01:12:02 [warp]
yllona: yes, environment variables and/or command lines options to configure should work.
01:12:30 [yllona]
warp: it's not seeing the INCLUDE in my ENV
01:13:15 [warp]
i don't know of any software which would look at 'INCLUDE'
01:13:34 [yllona]
and naturally OSX has located the file in a funky place
01:13:53 [warp]
CPPFLAGS=-I/path/to/include/dir ./configure
01:14:05 [warp]
or possibly just CFLAGS instead of CPPFLAGS
01:14:09 [yllona]
warp: thank you!
01:14:31 [warp]
i always forget if CPP is preprocessor or c++
01:15:11 [warp]
sigh
01:15:12 [yllona]
heh. it's not like i do his stuff often anymore. no worries
01:15:30 [yllona]
and thanks again for the tip :)
01:15:35 [warp]
a label for which the .com site isn't reachable at all, and for which the .co.uk site gives me "Warning: mysql_connect(): #08004Too many connections"
01:18:32 [yllona]
* yllona prepares stuffed peppers for dinner
01:20:35 [warp]
* warp falls asleep, goodnight! :)
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02:09:50 [ruaok]
this day didn't turn out the way I'd hoped.
02:09:58 [ruaok]
but the results made me super happy.
02:09:59 [ruaok]
http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2286693997/
02:15:49 [BrianFreud]
hey ruaok :)
02:15:54 [ruaok]
hi
02:16:16 [BrianFreud]
I'm in good hopes... panda gave me a js tip, I may be able to make annotations work after all, even without a fix :)
02:16:42 [BrianFreud]
question for you, if I may - any idea why this regexp fails? ( ,\n)http:\/\/.*( ,\n)
02:16:55 [ruaok]
nice... and if you can't I may be able to fix the wiki textformatter
02:17:35 [ruaok]
what are the multiple line handling semantics?
02:17:36 [BrianFreud]
well, nice thing about the way I'm doing it is that either way, it still works - just fixing the textformatter will make values in ol's actually work properly :)
02:17:49 [ruaok]
things get odd when you have regexp's scanning for \n
02:18:09 [BrianFreud]
I have the html -> wiki formatter working 100%, even with lists now,
02:18:21 [BrianFreud]
and I noticed there's one undocumented formatting option too :P
02:18:37 [BrianFreud]
trying to fix those urls that should work, but currently get missed
02:19:12 [BrianFreud]
where you have a raw url starting a line, or within text, it's supposed to linkify, but doesn't. That's what that regexp is supposed to catch...
02:19:47 [BrianFreud]
http://www.google.com Raw URL <-- the url should linkify, but doesn't - that's what I'm trying to get at
02:21:24 [BrianFreud]
actually, it does make the link, unless the url starts the line, so I could drop the space, and just use \nhttp:\/\/.*( ,\n)
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02:22:47 [BrianFreud]
hmmm, still doesn't catch those 2 test cases
02:28:25 [ruaok]
could there be extra whitespace?
02:28:40 [ruaok]
considering using \s
02:29:00 [ruaok]
(,\s*)http
02:29:26 [ruaok]
does js do greedy or non greedy matching by default?
02:30:00 [BrianFreud]
greedy
02:30:03 [BrianFreud]
I believe
02:30:34 [BrianFreud]
Does \n count as whitespace for \s?
02:30:37 [rcross]
ruaok: did you get any further with the osx build last night?
02:31:57 [rcross]
regarding regex's isn't there a way to automatically detect linebreaks - because \n wouldn't necessarily match them all since you've got differences between windows/unix line endings
02:32:31 [BrianFreud]
well, in this case, if it works at all, it ought to always work - the source is always the same machine :D
02:35:04 [BrianFreud]
btw, the undocumented tag for Wiki::Text is, if you lead with eight spaces, it turns it into <pre><code>text</code></pre>
02:37:03 [BrianFreud]
I give it a harsh test though: http://test.musicbrainz.org/show/artist/?artistid=352015
02:38:00 [BrianFreud]
Right now, I can turn the HTML back into markup 100% correctly. Just trying to fix url handling, so even the case Wiki::Text misses gets fixed.
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02:41:41 [yllona]
BrianFreud: quick question -- i just ripped all my richard pryor. so do you have a script that can lift data from itunes?
02:42:20 [BrianFreud]
no, sorry
02:42:53 [BrianFreud]
most of his releases ought to already be entered though - I just tagged the box set a week ago
02:43:37 [yllona]
yeah, i have 3-4 not in the box set
02:44:01 [yllona]
'cuz i have the box set too :)
02:44:10 [yllona]
the 9 CD box
02:44:15 [BrianFreud]
yup
02:44:31 [BrianFreud]
actually, I have never even been inside the itunes site.
02:44:37 [yllona]
plus i tracked down the original LP art
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02:45:12 [BrianFreud]
If the tracks are there, but surrounded by all sorts of other junk you don't want, you might be able to just click the unwanted stuff away on a one-time basis with platypus, make copy/paste possible
02:45:45 [yllona]
no not itunes site, if i ripped thru itunes and cleaned up the meta data, can one of your scrippts import from the itunes app?
02:46:00 [BrianFreud]
I don't have anything to do it, no
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02:46:07 [yllona]
okay.
02:46:07 [BrianFreud]
can itunes export to text?
02:46:21 [BrianFreud]
* BrianFreud doesn't use the app either :P
02:46:24 [yllona]
yes and xml
02:47:25 [dholmes]
Though iTunes' interpretation of XML is a bit... unusual
02:47:33 [BrianFreud]
either one ought to be easy to scrape out... I'd like to finish this converter tonight, but if you want to export a few to xml and email to me, I can see about maybe putting something together
02:47:48 [BrianFreud]
you don't use Excel, do you?
02:47:55 [yllona]
i have six redd foxx, almost all the original bill cosby, the original eddie murphy, flip wilson and franklin ajaye
02:48:26 [yllona]
i have official excel, i can install it. it will be the Mac ecel
02:48:35 [yllona]
*Mac excel
02:49:11 [BrianFreud]
Excel has XML handling abilities - as long as itunes is exporting valid xml, you could probably export - import, and get at the data pretty easily
02:49:59 [yllona]
sure thing. i'll export the albums not in the pryor box set, see what you think
02:50:07 [BrianFreud]
ok
02:50:19 [BrianFreud]
You still have my email address?
02:50:24 [yllona]
i'll export from itunes XML first.
02:50:28 [dholmes]
BrianFreud: If you haven't seen iTunes' XML, I should warn you; that might not work so well as you'd expect
02:50:33 [yllona]
BrianFreud: yes
02:50:45 [BrianFreud]
ok
02:51:15 [yllona]
i can export to unicode or plain text
02:51:20 [BrianFreud]
dholmes: no doubt - Apple or MS, they both have rather ... interesting opinions on just what ought to go in xml
02:51:25 [BrianFreud]
either's fine
02:52:00 [yllona]
i did a few web sites using the itunes XML->apache cocoon. the scripts will be 3-4 years old tho.
02:52:38 [dholmes]
Well, it's still workable, it's just that it's not an XML format specific to iTunes; it's an XML format corresponding to one of Apple's generic data structures, so it doesn't have things like <artist>John Doe</artist> or anything like that
02:52:41 [yllona]
it was an XSL translation of the itunes XML
02:52:59 [BrianFreud]
what you really prob need is an xslt, but I have zero experience with those
02:53:04 [dholmes]
I wrote an iTunes XML -> Rhythmbox import script once that worked alright
02:53:21 [dholmes]
I investigated XSLT for that at the time, but decided a Phython script was easier
02:53:28 [yllona]
dholmes: i haaven't exported from the more recent versions of itunes
02:54:09 [dholmes]
It might have changed, I don't know
02:54:15 [dholmes]
I don't really use iTunes anymore
02:54:21 [yllona]
BrianFreud: i'll do one album, see what you think
02:54:33 [BrianFreud]
every time I look at xslt, I decide "good idea, way too complicated" :P
02:54:53 [BrianFreud]
sure thing yllona
02:55:13 [yllona]
BrianFreud: unicode or plain text?
02:55:47 [BrianFreud]
either's fine - let's go with unicode, make sure anything you could throw at it can be handled
02:56:22 [BrianFreud]
oh, I took this for cooperaa a few hours ago, before I started messing with the annotation section again. Here's the current progress on the edit window: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/brianfreud/AR.jpg
02:56:25 [yllona]
okay will do. exporting "Black Ben the Blacksmith" from 1978
02:56:27 [BrianFreud]
k
02:58:41 [BrianFreud]
hmm, ok, one of the two troublesome cases gets caught here, but not the other, using \nhttp:\/\/.*\s
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03:03:55 [yllona]
BrianFreud: e-mail sent :)
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03:05:32 [BrianFreud]
ok
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03:06:26 [yllona]
for redd foxx: his albums were mostly recorded as "party tapes", with little or no documentation
03:07:45 [yllona]
for instance i have all the "Live & Dirty" CDs. all the CD notes say is "recorded live in a Los Angeles nightclub" ;)
03:08:42 [yllona]
however, redd mentions that he was opening for abbey lincoln on that gig, so i'll have to track it down from there. i do know that the gig was from 1970
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03:09:00 [BrianFreud]
man, no wonder it's 100k... think they shove the artist name in there enough?
03:09:24 [yllona]
BrianFreud: heh. it's fin stuff
03:09:29 [yllona]
*fun stuff
03:09:48 [BrianFreud]
"R i c h a r d P r y o r" like 10,000 times
03:09:48 [BrianFreud]
lol
03:10:30 [yllona]
that's why xslt was the deal, when i was doing the itunes ELT stuff
03:11:49 [BrianFreud]
hmmm, are you sure this is the xml output, not a post xslt transform?
03:11:54 [BrianFreud]
"NameArtistComposerAlbumGroupingGenreSizeTimeDisc NumberDisc CountTrack NumberTrack CountYearDate ModifiedDate AddedBit RateSample RateVolume AdjustmentKindEqualizerCommentsPlay CountLast PlayedSkip CountLast SkippedMy RatingLocation
03:11:54 [BrianFreud]
Super NiggerRichard PryorRichard Pryor, et. al....And It's Deep Too Box Set (Disc 1: Richard Pryor)Comedy32432231951918196812/19/05 11:55 PM7/1/07 1:53 PM12844100102MPEG audio fileFrom the album "Richard Pryor"22/23/08 2:30 AMMy Book 1 - 500 GB:iTunes Music:Compilations:_..And It's Deep Too Box Set (Disc 1_ Richard Pryor):1-01 Super Nigger.mp3
03:11:55 [BrianFreud]
GirlsRichard PryorRichard Pryor, et. al....And It's Deep Too Box Set (Disc 1: Richard Pryor)Comedy33857412041928196812/19/05 11:55 PM7/1/07 1:53 PM12844100102MPEG audio fileFrom the album "Richard Pryor"22/23/08 2:33 AMMy Book 1 - 500 GB:iTunes Music:Compilations:_..And It's Deep Too Box Se
03:12:11 [BrianFreud]
oops, didn't realize there was more than a few columns there
03:12:12 [BrianFreud]
sorry
03:12:31 [yllona]
BrianFreud: that's a straight itunes -> unicode text export
03:12:35 [BrianFreud]
fun
03:12:58 [BrianFreud]
firefox chokes on even the first line :P
03:13:47 [yllona]
Firefox chokes regularly on the mac with simple web sites, so i don't use it except for testing
03:14:30 [BrianFreud]
excel can't handle it either - invalid whitespace all over the place... hmmmm
03:15:48 [yllona]
it works in my various text editors, and XML editors
03:15:59 [BrianFreud]
actually, quickie googling on itunes format, looks like this might already be the transform you need yllona
03:16:03 [BrianFreud]
http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/itunes-albumlist.html
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03:17:05 [yllona]
BrianFreud: my goal is to import into MB. so where to go from there?
03:17:40 [yllona]
and i'm not the only itunes user in the universe :)
03:17:53 [BrianFreud]
if it can generate a list of the track #, title, and time for each album, you just snag the ones you want and track parser.
03:18:19 [BrianFreud]
But yes, at some point an itunes import could be useful... guess I'll have to install itunes :D
03:18:34 [yllona]
ah, i forgot about track parser
03:18:45 [BrianFreud]
* BrianFreud loves track parser :)
03:22:31 [BrianFreud]
any regexp experts here atm?
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03:24:23 [BrianFreud]
hmmm, nm, looks like it's something else wierd here
03:42:48 [BrianFreud]
got it :) /\b((ftp:|https?):\/\/\S*)/g
03:43:24 [BrianFreud]
actually, /\b((ftp|https?):\/\/\S*)/g
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03:52:57 [yllona]
okay. found all my bill cosby
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04:40:05 [CatCat]
i have no more booze left ;_.
04:40:21 [CatCat]
meh
04:40:22 [CatCat]
natta
04:40:25 [CatCat]
^__^
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anyone know if I can use a regexp for a case in a jx switch?
05:40:38 [BrianFreud]
*js switch
05:40:58 [ruaok]
cases are usually constants.
05:41:05 [ruaok]
thus its quite unlikely
05:41:22 [BrianFreud]
yeah, just wanted to avoid 10 fall-through cases to match '1.' '2.' '3.' etc
05:42:17 [BrianFreud]
(this is where type="1" would be so much nicer than value="1" value="2" value="3" etc)
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07:19:47 [ruaok]
huzzah!
07:19:56 [ruaok]
the mac picard dmg for intel works!
07:20:08 [nikki]
it does cd lookups?
07:20:21 [ruaok]
its does PUIDS
07:20:23 [nikki]
ah
07:20:28 [ruaok]
* ruaok has his bubble popped
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aww
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puids are still good!
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* nikki wonders why cpan can't install stuff
07:37:36 [nikki]
it just says "Can't test without successful make" and doesn't say why make was unsuccessful :/
07:39:59 [ruaok]
cooperaa: http://users.musicbrainz.org/~robert/Picard-0.9.0-Intel.dmg
07:43:59 [nikki]
hmm...
07:44:24 [ruaok]
?
07:44:50 [nikki]
I wonder which of my computers is fastest to do puids from...
07:46:04 [nikki]
I think it would probably be the macbook even though it has to read stuff from a usb disc...
07:47:12 [nikki]
what does puid stuff depend on? cpu mainly?
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ruaok: that doesn't work for me :(
07:51:16 [ruaok]
details please.
07:52:53 [nikki]
http://www.pastebin.se/193431
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luks: You there?
07:57:36 [FauxFaux2]
I wish there was some way I could see regexps live; they make me crazy, lol
07:57:43 [FauxFaux2]
argh
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07:59:18 [BrianFreud]
--> / {8}[^( .|\* .|\d\d?\. ?)]/ - that ought to match 8 spaces+anything that's not " ." or "11." or "1. " or "* ." right?
07:59:42 [Kerensky97]
FauxFaux, didn't you mention something about AudioSurf a while back?
08:00:50 [ruaok]
nikki: I'll fix it in the morning
08:01:15 [ruaok]
but is you install iconv via macports it might work.
08:01:27 [nikki]
* nikki giggles because it already is morning here
08:01:30 [nikki]
ah
08:01:44 [nikki]
I don't have macports installed at the moment either
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mornings MB
08:47:12 [nikki]
hey
08:49:06 [Kerensky97]
monring (I need to go to bed)
08:49:13 [Kerensky97]
*Morning
08:49:18 [Kerensky97]
case in point
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08:50:55 [warp]
:)
08:51:55 [nikki]
hi Kerensky97, hi warp
08:52:28 [warp]
time-of-day
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:)
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1:54 AM
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17:26:37 [cooperaa]
ruaok: get my comment regarding Picard on OSX?
17:27:30 [ruaok]
I did.
17:27:34 [ruaok]
what version are you running?
17:27:45 [cooperaa]
0.9.0
17:27:48 [ruaok]
did anyone else try the DMG?
17:27:59 [cooperaa]
not that I've heard
17:28:01 [ruaok]
no shit sherlock. :) which version of OS X?
17:28:14 [nikki]
is it morning now?
17:28:25 [ruaok]
somewhere in the world, yes.
17:28:30 [cooperaa]
I thought you just wanted to check that I was running the right version of picard ;)
17:28:35 [ruaok]
maybe even in my party. :)
17:28:38 [cooperaa]
10.5.2
17:28:40 [nikki]
hehe
17:28:50 [ruaok]
nikki: and you're running?
17:28:58 [ruaok]
party? part...
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* ruaok isn't awake
17:29:03 [nikki]
10.4.10
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* ruaok hates shifting his sleep schedule forward.
17:29:32 [ruaok]
nikki: ls /usr/lib/iconv*
17:29:48 [cooperaa]
weiiiiird
17:29:57 [cooperaa]
this is the second time this album has been loaded into Picard twice
17:30:08 [nikki]
ls: /usr/lib/iconv*: No such file or directory
17:30:13 [cooperaa]
two instances of the album in picard's right panel
17:30:31 [cooperaa]
... there are 2 albums like this!
17:30:35 [ruaok]
nikki: ls /usr/lib/libiconv*
17:31:03 [nikki]
/usr/lib/libiconv.2.2.0.dylib /usr/lib/libiconv.2.dylib /usr/lib/libiconv.dylib /usr/lib/libiconv.la
17:31:17 [ruaok]
wtf?
17:31:58 [nikki]
no idea! I only use the machine!
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hi
17:32:47 [ruaok]
ah: Reason: Incompatible library version: QtGui.so requires version 7.0.0 or later, but libiconv.2.dylib provides version 5.0.0
17:34:40 [cooperaa]
ruaok: is there any easy way to scan my library for PUIDs and submit the PUIDs for the existing MBID?
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17:35:19 [cooperaa]
all my files have MBIDs so they don't scan automatically... so I drag them to unclustered, scan, and then put back on the correct albums
17:36:05 [ruaok]
I think using genpuid might be easier.
17:37:15 [petros]
First run genpuid, then run them through picard and submit?
17:37:25 [petros]
Or is that double work?
17:37:52 [cooperaa]
wow I forgot musicbrainz had forums!
17:37:59 [nikki]
I always forget that too
17:38:05 [ruaok]
ah yes, genpuid does submit that MB.
17:38:23 [ruaok]
I think cooperaa's approach of rerunning files might be best
17:38:41 [cooperaa]
okay... I can't find genpuid anyways :)
17:39:12 [nikki]
nobody can unless they know how
17:39:55 [cooperaa]
does genpuid generate PUIDs and "attach" them to the files?
17:40:17 [ruaok]
cooperaa: log in to the mip site to download it.
17:40:17 [nikki]
I think it can attach them but doesn't have to
17:40:23 [cooperaa]
and then Picard would notice "hey, nice PUIDs... can I submit those to MB? *wink*wink*"
17:40:32 [ruaok]
not sure.
17:40:43 [petros]
I think so.
17:40:57 [ruaok]
* ruaok is only the bag boy who puts luks morsels into the proper bags
17:41:04 [cooperaa]
:)
17:41:11 [nikki]
what does that mean?
17:41:29 [cooperaa]
okay what the heck... I'm logged in... where are they hiding genpuid?
17:42:21 [nikki]
* nikki grmls about the fact she can't figure out how the iso 639-3 codes for german dialects correspond to actual dialects
17:42:21 [ruaok]
dunno. have you got a musicdns key? you need to sign up for that too
17:44:07 [cooperaa]
looks like jesus2099 explains the process here: http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2099#p2099
17:45:18 [cooperaa]
what a strange coinsidence that jesus2099 would have post 2099
17:45:44 [petros]
He's probably renaming his profile for each post. :)
17:46:22 [petros]
"..some people juggle geese"
17:46:26 [cooperaa]
I don't think so: http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=jesus2099
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17:55:25 [petros]
Yeah, just destroy an off-hand semi-humourous remark with cold hard facts. See if I care. I got icecream in the frezer. i can handle any adversity the world might decide to throw at me with quality icecream in the freezer.
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* petros goes to get icecream
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ok, I dont know how to fix the DMG for tiger now.
18:04:45 [ruaok]
I'll have to investigate that later.
18:04:53 [ruaok]
for now its leopard intel only
18:08:28 [mudcrow]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8398074 & http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8398073 some yes votes please to clean up my stupidty
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!asin B000PMFS82
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aw our friend is gone...
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is it wrong of me to wake up at 21:10, yeat a cupnoodle, read chatloggs and then go back to bed again?
20:27:39 [Senilix]
CatCat: no.
20:27:54 [CatCat]
hei Senilix
20:27:59 [Senilix]
god aften
20:28:08 [CatCat]
god kveld :3
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cup noodles \o/
21:02:16 [CatCat]
hallo warp
21:02:23 [warp]
hallo
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i have made a partial mockup of 1 page of my top secret project :)
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:o
21:05:06 [FauxFaux2]
* FauxFaux2 wants to see :)
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argh
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21:05:23 [CatCat]
i knoes how brainfrø
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why every time I turn around have I turned into FauxFaux?
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you must quit as BrianFreud
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dere ja goes
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ok, now we see
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lol
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22:22:09 [BrianFreud]
man, once I study it hard, I find the most bizarre things in Text::Wiki markup :P
22:22:22 [BrianFreud]
</li></ul></li><li value="1"> :D
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22:34:50 [luks]
BrianFreud: you seem to have problem with any words after "wiki" :)
22:35:08 [luks]
Text::WikiFormat -> Text::Wiki, Wikipedia -> Wiki :)
22:37:44 [BrianFreud]
lol
22:38:41 [BrianFreud]
almost have managed to catch every funky case here in exactly rendering the HTML linebreaks as Text::WikiFormat does. I'd be interested in your thoughts on this js - I'm sure it's unoptimized :)
22:40:25 [luks]
I ported Text::WikiFormat to python yesterday
22:40:26 [BrianFreud]
http://musicbrainz.pastebin.com/d480557cc
22:40:35 [BrianFreud]
fun :)
22:40:45 [luks]
much easier to do direct port instead of doing it your own way :)
22:41:09 [BrianFreud]
the Text::WikiFormat --> HTML wasn't so bad, but Text::WikiFormat --> HTML --> Text::WikiFormat and still getting the same result on the tail end is much harder
22:41:47 [BrianFreud]
on the plus side, I'm getting much more comfortable with regexps :D
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Hello. I'm trying to add the following classical album to MB, as it's not currently on there. I presume that the language/script should be German/Latin? And is it a compilation or an album (it's a 'scenes from' two of Wagner's operas).
22:45:37 [BrianFreud]
luks: offhand, none of the other possible matching tags are ever used, but I wonder if there's a cleaner regexp that would match every possible tag *except* <BR>, and not fail on the 6 tags this one would fail on: <\/?[^b][^r]?>
22:45:37 [creature]
http://tinyurl.com/2l698p
22:46:21 [luks]
BrianFreud: umm, I know how to do it with perl regexes
22:46:28 [luks]
but that probably won't work in JS
22:46:44 [BrianFreud]
is there some way to do [^(word)] in js regexp?
22:46:45 [luks]
regular expressions are usually not good for *not* matching text
22:47:49 [luks]
creature: is that a new recording or a mix of previously released recordings?
22:48:05 [creature]
luks: I think it's a new recording.
22:48:06 [BrianFreud]
yeah, it's the tail end of this nasty creature: <\/(o|u)l>.*<\/li>.*<\/?[^b][^r]?> :D
22:48:19 [luks]
creature: then "Album, Official"
22:48:33 [luks]
and German/Latin
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22:49:13 [luks]
and for CSG you have a local expert here - BrianFreud :)
22:49:19 [BrianFreud]
lol
22:50:51 [BrianFreud]
* BrianFreud recommends http://www.brianfreud.byethost13.com/COBottle.html , though keep in mind you then need to standardize typography back to " - :
22:51:14 [luks]
hehe
22:51:20 [luks]
that's a lot of inputs
22:51:21 [creature]
BrianFreud: That's a scary form. :|
22:51:23 [BrianFreud]
lol
22:51:32 [BrianFreud]
90% of it you would never ever need
22:52:03 [BrianFreud]
that thing can handle (almost) any classical work - MClemo found the one exception :P
22:52:16 [BrianFreud]
...or maybe it was xlotlu, don't remember
22:52:39 [creature]
Is there a page of opera style guide?
22:53:01 [creature]
"Götterdämmerung, Act 3, Scene 3: Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort" <-- How's that for a sample track style?
22:53:07 [BrianFreud]
yes, but it's confusing
22:53:13 [pbryan]
Close.
22:53:17 [BrianFreud]
rather out of date
22:53:29 [pbryan]
Should be: Götterdämmerung: Act 3, Scene 3. "Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort"
22:53:46 [BrianFreud]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BrianFreud/sandbox#CSGoperastructure + http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BrianFreud/sandbox#CSGmovement would answer you better
22:53:53 [BrianFreud]
yep
22:54:04 [pbryan]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/OperaTrackStyle
22:54:22 [pbryan]
Oh, actually, should be....
22:54:25 [BrianFreud]
Do you know the roles?
22:54:34 [pbryan]
Götterdämmerung: Act III, Scene III. "Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort"
22:54:36 [creature]
The roles?
22:54:45 [pbryan]
The characters in the track.
22:54:51 [BrianFreud]
what character in the opera is being performed
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22:55:22 [creature]
I think this is all sung by Brünnhilde, who is performed by Margaret Jane Wray, soprano.
22:55:35 [BrianFreud]
Götterdämmerung: Act III, Scene III. "Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort" (Brünnhilde)
22:55:37 [pbryan]
If you don't know, don't say. It's optional in OperaTrackStyle.
22:55:51 [igorr_]
çäðàñüòå
22:56:10 [pbryan]
Hi igorr_...
22:56:27 [FauxFosdem]
* FauxFosdem huggles BrianFreud, my twin.
22:56:34 [BrianFreud]
lol, hi FauxFosdem :)
22:56:39 [yllona]
creature: one sec i have a complete ring cycle from bayreuth, let me grab it
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22:56:45 [igorr_]
pbryan: do you know russin? :)
22:56:45 [BrianFreud]
mIRC seems to keep wanting to make me into you :D
22:56:54 [pbryan]
igorr_: Niet.
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22:59:52 [creature]
Are characters listed in order of appearance, or alphabetically?
23:00:15 [yllona]
creature: "Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort" (Brünnhilde) is brunhilde
23:00:38 [yllona]
act ii, scene ii
23:00:48 [yllona]
* scene iii, sorry
23:00:50 [creature]
This is act 3, scene 3.
23:00:59 [creature]
Book says it and all.
23:01:06 [yllona]
yes, i'm saying you're correct
23:01:16 [pbryan]
creature: In order of appearance.
23:02:34 [yllona]
then norn(s) 1-3 would be listed first :)
23:03:14 [yllona]
and then the orchestral interlude -- which will be problematic in MB
23:03:14 [pbryan]
Norns? I guess yllona, you know this opera? ;)
23:03:35 [creature]
yllona: This isn't a full ring cycle, it's just bits of it.
23:04:17 [yllona]
pbryan: yep, and i'm working from a complete ring, from the bayreuth festival in 1967.. it's considered "definitive"
23:04:26 [pbryan]
Wow.
23:04:26 [yllona]
14 CDs, full documentations
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23:04:41 [pbryan]
4 operas?
23:05:16 [yllona]
pbryan a fill ring cycle -- so yes
23:05:31 [pbryan]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen
23:05:31 [pbryan]
?
23:05:41 [yllona]
*full ring cycle
23:05:50 [igorr_]
hm. there ara russian music grops in data base
23:06:10 [pbryan]
igorr_: Sure.
23:06:12 [yllona]
pbryan: that's what i'm talking about :)
23:06:57 [pbryan]
igorr_: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/a5b38b12-80e3-4204-9557-c7309c024147.html
23:07:04 [pbryan]
yllona: I should get into Wagner.
23:07:38 [yllona]
pbryan: politics aside, it's beautiful music
23:08:02 [creature]
OK, this particular track starts with both characters singing. Which order do I list them in now?
23:08:28 [pbryan]
creature: If it's not documented with the work, I wouldn't take guesses.
23:08:30 [yllona]
creature: which track? the same?
23:08:42 [creature]
yllona: No.
23:08:52 [creature]
This is part of Tristan und Isolde, Act II, Scene II.
23:08:56 [creature]
pbryan: It is documented.
23:08:57 [yllona]
creature: what's the track?
23:09:01 [creature]
It's documented as 'both'.
23:09:12 [igorr_]
:)
23:09:21 [pbryan]
I'd use the order they documented it in.
23:09:27 [yllona]
oh, i'll have to find my tristan, that could take a while
23:09:30 [creature]
Tristan und Isolde, Act II, Scene II. "O sink hernieder, Nacht der Liebe"
23:09:33 [pbryan]
* pbryan feels he might be missing something...
23:09:42 [pbryan]
Tristan und Isolde: Act II, Scene II. "O sink hernieder, Nacht der Liebe"
23:09:44 [pbryan]
(colon)
23:09:51 [igorr_]
i can understand you, but i can't write well :)
23:10:01 [creature]
The text of the opera lists the first passage of this track as "Both".
23:10:09 [pbryan]
Oh.
23:10:24 [pbryan]
My vote would be to say "both" as well.
23:10:59 [pbryan]
igorr_: No problem. :)
23:12:41 [creature]
BrianFreud: Any input?
23:16:55 [BrianFreud]
sorry, was distracted
23:17:12 [creature]
No problem.
23:17:19 [BrianFreud]
re: the order of roles?
23:17:32 [creature]
When the first passage of the track is a duet.
23:17:55 [BrianFreud]
alphabetical by first letter of the role name, so (Alice, Bob, Cindy, Don Giovani, Eliza, Harry, Tom)
23:18:24 [yllona]
creature: on all my operas, the notes list them in order of appearance
23:18:42 [BrianFreud]
a duet where both appear at the same time yllona
23:18:45 [yllona]
your notes for tristan don't include the libretto?
23:19:00 [creature]
Erm, libretto is the text, right?
23:19:08 [yllona]
creature: yes
23:19:13 [creature]
They do. For this track it starts with them both singing. A duet.
23:19:23 [yllona]
BrianFreud: alphabetical then
23:19:31 [BrianFreud]
luks, btw, if you want to test your converter, every possibel acid test I can find is in http://test.musicbrainz.org/show/artist/?artistid=352015
23:20:09 [luks]
I have a test suite, I don't need acit tests :)
23:20:14 [yllona]
creature: like i said, i'd have to dig up my tristan, and i'm doing something else now (bill cosby)
23:20:15 [luks]
acid
23:20:17 [creature]
The final track has a 'special' ending. Is this the correct way to cite it:
23:20:19 [BrianFreud]
lol
23:20:21 [creature]
Tristan und Isolde, Act II, Scene II. "O ew’ge Nacht, süsse Nacht!" (Isolde, Tristan) (Concert ending, 1862)
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23:20:48 [BrianFreud]
* BrianFreud 's "test suite" needs a source to hinge on :P
23:21:26 [BrianFreud]
yllona, speaking of cool old spoken word...
23:21:27 [BrianFreud]
* BrianFreud William S. Burroughs - Spare Ass Annie (from "Spare Ass Annie and Other Tale") (04:30)
23:21:34 [luks]
automated testing is much better than "try and see if it works" :)
23:22:07 [creature]
BrianFreud: Does my track name look OK there?
23:22:13 [yllona]
pbryan: for the complete ring cycle, i have this set: with a different cover: http://www.amazon.com/Richard-Wagner-Nibelungen-Gerd-Nienstedt/dp/B0000040YY/
23:22:34 [BrianFreud]
true, I just have been using the slow method - if it's wrong, it's immediately visible in the test displays I hang on that annotation row
23:22:58 [BrianFreud]
creature: Why the (Concert ending, 1862)? That ought to be in annotations
23:23:33 [BrianFreud]
unless it's version info
23:24:01 [creature]
"Included on this disc is the rarely recorded 1862 concert ending to the Love Duet from Tristan und Isolde".
23:24:44 [creature]
On the track listing it is marked with an asterisk, with the 'Concert ending, 1862' given just underneath.
23:24:51 [BrianFreud]
Sounds like annotation material - it also sounds like an appendix insert aria, though, which would make it Tristan und Isolde, Act II, Scene II. Appendix "O ew’ge Nacht, süsse Nacht!" (Isolde, Tristan)
23:25:13 [BrianFreud]
sory, no: Tristan und Isolde, Appendix. Act II, Scene II. "O ew’ge Nacht, süsse Nacht!" (Isolde, Tristan)
23:25:46 [creature]
I think it's an alternative version of the final 'movement'.
23:25:59 [BrianFreud]
yeah, then it'd be an appendix work
23:26:32 [creature]
This is clearly some special classical meaning of Appendix I'm not familiar with.
23:27:19 [BrianFreud]
operas sometimes have extra movements - insert arias/duets/etc written for various singers after the fact, arias/recitatives/etc that aren't in the normal running order.
23:27:32 [BrianFreud]
They're in the appendix to the opera - 'optional movements' if you will.
23:27:40 [yllona]
creature: these days, performers are re-creating the opera "as first appeared", so songs may have been cut from the original production.
23:29:11 [yllona]
creature: i recently saw a turandot where the finale was re-created. as the composer died before the opera was finished. so there were two endings performed (on different nights)
23:29:33 [BrianFreud]
yes; there's a 2 CD part of the Philips Mozart set which is entirely insert arias
23:29:35 [creature]
"Tristan enthusiasts will find much else of interest in the appendix to this volume, including new music to facilitate cuts in Acts II & III, as well as all the alterations in Tristan's part which Wagner made to accommodate the first Tristan, Ludwig Schnorr von Carolsfield, during the abortive rehearsals in Vienna between 1861 and 1863.
23:29:58 [yllona]
creature: yep, that's what i'm talking about :)
23:30:04 [creature]
"Today's tenors will be horrified to discover that most of these changes meant taking the vocal part higher rather than lower, as Schnorr was evidently a higher tenor who found the role uncomfortably low."
23:30:13 [BrianFreud]
just be careful to fistinguish 'appendix to this recording' and 'appendix to the opera'
23:30:17 [BrianFreud]
*distinguish
23:31:34 [creature]
Which environment variable does Picard consult again to determine which browser it uses?
23:32:03 [luks]
BROWSER
23:32:14 [creature]
luks: How is it set?
23:32:32 [BrianFreud]
I have several opera recordings, for example, where the particular company opted to not perform a movement that *is* in the normal running order, which the label then pulled from a different performance and included as an 'appendix to the recording', but that doesn't make them 'Appendix' works.
23:33:13 [luks]
something like BROWSER="firefox '%s' &" should work
23:33:43 [luks]
but on gnome and kde it also tries to use the default browser for those desktops
23:34:22 [creature]
I have set my BROWSER variable but it's ignoring it. :| I'm using Fluxbox.
23:34:32 [creature]
http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/relationships.html?releaseid=689415 is this album, should you wish to vote for its inclusion.
23:35:03 [creature]
How do I add details like performers again?
23:36:45 [BrianFreud]
advanced relationships
23:37:00 [BrianFreud]
in the release view, click on "Relate to..." to pop up the window
23:39:12 [BrianFreud]
creature: Track 5, why the (r)?
23:39:24 [creature]
BrianFreud: That's how it's listed on the cover.
23:39:29 [creature]
You'd have to ask a German speaker.
23:41:51 [BrianFreud]
looks like the paren is a typo: http://www.operatoday.com/content/2006/08/wagner_tristan_2.php
23:43:27 [creature]
I don't think so, looking at the libretto.
23:43:51 [creature]
"Tristan: Isolde! Geliebte! Isolde: Tristan! Geliebter!"
23:43:52 [BrianFreud]
*shrug*
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23:43:56 [BrianFreud]
ah, ok
23:48:25 [creature]
Bunch of annotations now added.
23:52:01 [ruaok]
* ruaok runs off to SF for http://sanfranmusictech.com/
23:52:04 [ruaok]
ta ta!
23:52:11 [ruaok]
back late tomorrow!
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23:52:36 [conan]
to install 0.9.0 should I first remove 0.9.0alpha14 or is it better to install ontop and let it upgrade?
23:53:57 [BrianFreud]
I had no problems installing overtop on Windows. You do have to set your l/p again - even if the blanks for l/p look like they're already populated
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23:57:51 [conan]
is there any downside to un-installing?
23:57:57 [conan]
do you loose any configuration information?