IRC log of musicbrainz on 2008-02-24
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- 00:12:11 [cizra]
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- 00:12:12 [cizra]
- Hi
- 00:12:15 [cizra]
- I need some help.
- 00:12:26 [cizra]
- I added this disk: http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=602767 almost a year ago
- 00:12:30 [cizra]
- and then forgot about it completely.
- 00:12:41 [yllona]
- help with what?
- 00:12:52 [cizra]
- I was asked a few questions. I answered them here: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?object_type=album&orderby=desc&object_id=602767
- 00:12:56 [cizra]
- (notes)
- 00:13:18 [cizra]
- Well, I want the changes to get somewhere. The guy who cleaned my mess up has probably long since forgotten me.
- 00:13:27 [cizra]
- For example: where do I stick that disk ID?
- 00:13:33 [cizra]
- Also, how do I figure it out in the first place?
- 00:14:04 [yllona]
- you mean the catalog number and label or the PUID (acoustic fingerprint)
- 00:14:15 [cizra]
- No, disk ID
- 00:14:30 [cizra]
- The guy asked: If you have the cd, could you add the discid?
- 00:14:42 [cizra]
- Well, I have the CD, but I'm not sure about that discid.
- 00:15:02 [yllona]
- hold on, i'm reading everything
- 00:18:29 [warp]
- cizra: the discid is calculated by picard when you try to look up a cd with picard.
- 00:19:25 [yllona]
- i can't help you with the disc id, as i have a mac
- 00:19:27 [warp]
- cizra: by using picard to search for a cd in this way, you can also add the discid of that cd to a release in musicbrainz.
- 00:19:29 [cizra]
- What's that picard?
- 00:19:40 [cizra]
- Some kind of music player?
- 00:20:16 [yllona]
- it's an automated tool for musicbrianz that wil identify tracks in your collection
- 00:20:26 [yllona]
- one sec...
- 00:20:32 [warp]
- cizra: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardTagger
- 00:20:48 [warp]
- cizra: how are you using musicbrainz?
- 00:20:56 [cizra]
- Am not using it.
- 00:21:06 [cizra]
- I just tried to pull the disc data from CDDB.
- 00:21:10 [yllona]
- cizra: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/HowToTagFilesWithPicard?action=show&redirect=PicardQuickStartGuide
- 00:21:24 [cizra]
- Then I saw that since it has no disc id set, it hasn't wound up in CDDB at all.
- 00:21:37 [cizra]
- That's why I want now the disc id to appear there.
- 00:22:04 [yllona]
- but if you have the CD, you can add the release events (release date/country for the CD)
- 00:22:14 [warp]
- cizra: musicbrainz doesn't add anything to CDDB
- 00:22:25 [yllona]
- to get the disc id you'll need to install picard
- 00:23:01 [cizra]
- OK, what's that Label field?
- 00:23:08 [cizra]
- What's that Catalog # field?
- 00:23:23 [warp]
- cizra: record label, catalog number.
- 00:23:34 [cizra]
- Record label? Well, it has no labels on it.
- 00:23:39 [cizra]
- Frankly I don't understand that terminology.
- 00:24:05 [cizra]
- In other words, I have no idea what to put in any of these fields -- except the format, which is regular audio CD.
- 00:24:13 [cizra]
- Also, there's no field to put disc id into.
- 00:24:35 [cizra]
- * cizra feels useless.
- 00:25:09 [yllona]
- cizra: to you have an official copy of this CD? if so the record label and catalog number with be printed on the CD inserts.
- 00:25:12 [cizra]
- yes
- 00:25:26 [FauxFosd1m]
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- 00:25:32 [yllona]
- okay look on the CD case, on the back
- 00:25:39 [cizra]
- Heh. The case is long gone (=
- 00:26:00 [yllona]
- what about the CD insert?
- 00:26:04 [cizra]
- wait, no
- 00:26:05 [cizra]
- found them
- 00:26:38 [yllona]
- okay, the label will be printed on the CD itself, and the CD insert
- 00:27:07 [yllona]
- the catalog number is usually printed below the label name
- 00:27:23 [cizra]
- hmmhmm
- 00:27:28 [cizra]
- 3-1656-2 (above)
- 00:27:38 [cizra]
- (LC) 1083 below it
- 00:27:42 [cizra]
- LC is in a circle
- 00:27:54 [cizra]
- | D | D | D| (in boxes) below them
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- 00:28:32 [yllona]
- DDD is the type of audio recording "Digital/digital/digital"
- 00:28:49 [cizra]
- OK
- 00:29:17 [cizra]
- So, 3-1656-2 is probably the label?
- 00:29:28 [cizra]
- No way to figure out the release date, I suppose...
- 00:29:39 [yllona]
- no, probly catalog number one sec
- 00:30:18 [yllona]
- is thhis the CD?
- 00:30:21 [yllona]
- http://www.amazon.com/Percussion-Concert-Peter-Sadlo/dp/B0002QXRKM
- 00:30:39 [cizra]
- no
- 00:30:59 [cizra]
- * cizra searches amazon as well
- 00:31:03 [yllona]
- or thhis one: http://www.amazon.com/Percussion-Concert-Paul-Creston/dp/B000007N8D
- 00:31:48 [cizra]
- Doesn't seem to be there.
- 00:31:49 [yllona]
- or this? http://www.amazon.com/Percussion-Concert-2-Franco-Donatoni/dp/B00000J8RE
- 00:32:17 [cizra]
- nope
- 00:33:23 [cizra]
- The name is "Instruments in Concert", but http://www.amazon.com/Instruments-in-Concert/dp/B000025GQ3 is not it.
- 00:33:41 [yllona]
- here's his web site: http://www.sadlo-percussion.de/
- 00:34:10 [cizra]
- OK, this sounds improbable, but it's not there either.
- 00:34:40 [warp]
- this then? http://www.amazon.de/Instruments-Concert-Peter-Sadlo/dp/B000024A2G
- 00:35:12 [cizra]
- yes!
- 00:35:32 [yllona]
- the label is koch international
- 00:35:54 [warp]
- I would say the label is "Koch Schwann"
- 00:36:07 [yllona]
- it's the same
- 00:36:50 [cizra]
- The disc is manufactured in Austria.
- 00:37:02 [cizra]
- But the release might have been in Germany or something.
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- 00:37:07 [cizra]
- How to figure out?
- 00:37:27 [cizra]
- I think I'll just put Austria in there.
- 00:37:42 [cizra]
- OK, what about catalog number? 3-1656-2?
- 00:38:14 [cizra]
- Barcode is probably hopeless...
- 00:38:27 [cizra]
- oh, wait, it's on the case as well
- 00:38:44 [warp]
- yllona: label code and catalog numbers don't match up.
- 00:39:07 [yllona]
- label web site: http://www.kochentertainment.com/ this artist is not listed
- 00:39:38 [yllona]
- ok, let me check koch distribution, one sec
- 00:40:26 [yllona]
- http://www.kochdistribution.com/labels.aspx
- 00:40:38 [warp]
- yllona: Koch International acquired Schwann, and relabeled it as Koch/Schwann.
- 00:40:49 [yllona]
- warp thanks!
- 00:40:50 [warp]
- http://www.discogs.com/label/Koch+Schwann
- 00:41:06 [warp]
- so, IMO needs to be a seperate entry in MB
- 00:41:50 [yllona]
- i think so too, hold on lookng for koch/schwan catalog
- 00:41:54 [cizra]
- Uh..
- 00:42:16 [warp]
- cizra: yes, we're serious about this stuff ;)
- 00:42:27 [cizra]
- Also, no place to stick disc id into has appeared.
- 00:42:45 [warp]
- cizra: no, the disc id is handled by picard. there is no other way to add it.
- 00:43:21 [cizra]
- Drat.
- 00:43:29 [cizra]
- I really can't understand the reason.
- 00:43:48 [yllona]
- becuase it needs to be calculated
- 00:44:09 [cizra]
- bc0c7f0d there ya go, calculated it
- 00:44:22 [cizra]
- mplayer and abcde give identical results
- 00:44:42 [yllona]
- warp: funny koch/schwann isn't listed on the koch distribution site
- 00:45:20 [yllona]
- nor is it listed on koch entertainment
- 00:45:37 [warp]
- yllona: universal is no longer using the imprint.
- 00:46:16 [yllona]
- lloks like, i have several koch recordings ...
- 00:46:52 [yllona]
- too bad, was a great affordable classical label
- 00:47:10 [yllona]
- here's koch's structure now: http://www.kochent.com/companychart.htm
- 00:47:59 [cizra]
- So, what should I stick into those Label and Catalog # fields?
- 00:48:28 [warp]
- cizra: Label: Koch Schwann, Catalog #: 3-1656-2
- 00:48:41 [yllona]
- koch is still releasing clasical, just not as koch/schwann
- 00:48:59 [yllona]
- http://www.kochentertainment.com/classical.htm
- 00:49:15 [cizra]
- There ya go
- 00:49:55 [cizra]
- http://musicbrainz.org/edit/albumreleases/review.html?releaseid=602767
- 00:49:58 [cizra]
- has a release event.
- 00:50:17 [warp]
- hm, not yet.
- 00:50:22 [cizra]
- oh fuck
- 00:50:29 [yllona]
- yep. not yet
- 00:50:44 [cizra]
- Did it disappear?
- 00:51:24 [warp]
- ah, there it is.
- 00:51:51 [warp]
- cizra: great!
- 00:52:00 [cizra]
- Not at all.
- 00:52:05 [yllona]
- yes looks good
- 00:52:07 [cizra]
- I couldn't enter the disc id
- 00:52:13 [cizra]
- therefore it won't wind up in CDDB
- 00:52:20 [cizra]
- therefore the whole business will be useless for me.
- 00:52:47 [warp]
- cizra: it won't end up in cddb anyway.
- 00:53:10 [yllona]
- * yllona grieves at the loss of koch/schwann as a label.
- 00:53:58 [cizra]
- What about this? http://musicbrainz.org/doc/FreeDBGateway
- 00:54:46 [warp]
- cizra: yes, you can use that instead of CDDB in any software which uses the cddb/freedb protocol.
- 00:55:19 [cizra]
- Well, my point. It won't wind up there because it has no discid attached.
- 00:55:48 [warp]
- cizra: you could try picard :)
- 00:57:07 [cizra]
- Nah. Let's stay polite.
- 00:58:53 [cizra]
- OK, that's it. My $0.02 to the world happiness.
- 00:58:55 [cizra]
- G'night.
- 00:58:57 [cizra]
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- 01:03:42 [warp]
- that release still needs more cleanup.
- 01:03:46 [rcross]
- ruaok, yllona - how'd the osx compile go?
- 01:03:57 [warp]
- stuff missing from the release title, and i don't think the release artist is accurate. :/
- 01:04:13 [yllona]
- rcross: i just got back about an hour ago, haven't tried again
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- 01:06:24 [rcross]
- oh ok - it sounded like things were almost working when i left
- 01:06:28 [yllona]
- warp: done
- 01:06:52 [yllona]
- rcross: i ihave to explicitly link a library, seems like
- 01:07:39 [yllona]
- the header file exists and is up-to-date on my systems, but the configure/make isn't finding it
- 01:07:56 [yllona]
- so i'll try to edit the configure after dinner
- 01:09:25 [rcross]
- ok, sounds good
- 01:09:39 [yllona]
- warp: i also added ARs for the artist
- 01:10:46 [yllona]
- * yllona returns to listening to richard pryor
- 01:11:07 [warp]
- edit configure sounds like a bad idea.
- 01:11:31 [yllona]
- warp i'm thinking a command line option actually :)
- 01:12:02 [warp]
- yllona: yes, environment variables and/or command lines options to configure should work.
- 01:12:30 [yllona]
- warp: it's not seeing the INCLUDE in my ENV
- 01:13:15 [warp]
- i don't know of any software which would look at 'INCLUDE'
- 01:13:34 [yllona]
- and naturally OSX has located the file in a funky place
- 01:13:53 [warp]
- CPPFLAGS=-I/path/to/include/dir ./configure
- 01:14:05 [warp]
- or possibly just CFLAGS instead of CPPFLAGS
- 01:14:09 [yllona]
- warp: thank you!
- 01:14:31 [warp]
- i always forget if CPP is preprocessor or c++
- 01:15:11 [warp]
- sigh
- 01:15:12 [yllona]
- heh. it's not like i do his stuff often anymore. no worries
- 01:15:30 [yllona]
- and thanks again for the tip :)
- 01:15:35 [warp]
- a label for which the .com site isn't reachable at all, and for which the .co.uk site gives me "Warning: mysql_connect(): #08004Too many connections"
- 01:18:32 [yllona]
- * yllona prepares stuffed peppers for dinner
- 01:20:35 [warp]
- * warp falls asleep, goodnight! :)
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- 02:09:50 [ruaok]
- this day didn't turn out the way I'd hoped.
- 02:09:58 [ruaok]
- but the results made me super happy.
- 02:09:59 [ruaok]
- http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/2286693997/
- 02:15:49 [BrianFreud]
- hey ruaok :)
- 02:15:54 [ruaok]
- hi
- 02:16:16 [BrianFreud]
- I'm in good hopes... panda gave me a js tip, I may be able to make annotations work after all, even without a fix :)
- 02:16:42 [BrianFreud]
- question for you, if I may - any idea why this regexp fails? ( ,\n)http:\/\/.*( ,\n)
- 02:16:55 [ruaok]
- nice... and if you can't I may be able to fix the wiki textformatter
- 02:17:35 [ruaok]
- what are the multiple line handling semantics?
- 02:17:36 [BrianFreud]
- well, nice thing about the way I'm doing it is that either way, it still works - just fixing the textformatter will make values in ol's actually work properly :)
- 02:17:49 [ruaok]
- things get odd when you have regexp's scanning for \n
- 02:18:09 [BrianFreud]
- I have the html -> wiki formatter working 100%, even with lists now,
- 02:18:21 [BrianFreud]
- and I noticed there's one undocumented formatting option too :P
- 02:18:37 [BrianFreud]
- trying to fix those urls that should work, but currently get missed
- 02:19:12 [BrianFreud]
- where you have a raw url starting a line, or within text, it's supposed to linkify, but doesn't. That's what that regexp is supposed to catch...
- 02:19:47 [BrianFreud]
- http://www.google.com Raw URL <-- the url should linkify, but doesn't - that's what I'm trying to get at
- 02:21:24 [BrianFreud]
- actually, it does make the link, unless the url starts the line, so I could drop the space, and just use \nhttp:\/\/.*( ,\n)
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- 02:22:47 [BrianFreud]
- hmmm, still doesn't catch those 2 test cases
- 02:28:25 [ruaok]
- could there be extra whitespace?
- 02:28:40 [ruaok]
- considering using \s
- 02:29:00 [ruaok]
- (,\s*)http
- 02:29:26 [ruaok]
- does js do greedy or non greedy matching by default?
- 02:30:00 [BrianFreud]
- greedy
- 02:30:03 [BrianFreud]
- I believe
- 02:30:34 [BrianFreud]
- Does \n count as whitespace for \s?
- 02:30:37 [rcross]
- ruaok: did you get any further with the osx build last night?
- 02:31:57 [rcross]
- regarding regex's isn't there a way to automatically detect linebreaks - because \n wouldn't necessarily match them all since you've got differences between windows/unix line endings
- 02:32:31 [BrianFreud]
- well, in this case, if it works at all, it ought to always work - the source is always the same machine :D
- 02:35:04 [BrianFreud]
- btw, the undocumented tag for Wiki::Text is, if you lead with eight spaces, it turns it into <pre><code>text</code></pre>
- 02:37:03 [BrianFreud]
- I give it a harsh test though: http://test.musicbrainz.org/show/artist/?artistid=352015
- 02:38:00 [BrianFreud]
- Right now, I can turn the HTML back into markup 100% correctly. Just trying to fix url handling, so even the case Wiki::Text misses gets fixed.
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- 02:41:41 [yllona]
- BrianFreud: quick question -- i just ripped all my richard pryor. so do you have a script that can lift data from itunes?
- 02:42:20 [BrianFreud]
- no, sorry
- 02:42:53 [BrianFreud]
- most of his releases ought to already be entered though - I just tagged the box set a week ago
- 02:43:37 [yllona]
- yeah, i have 3-4 not in the box set
- 02:44:01 [yllona]
- 'cuz i have the box set too :)
- 02:44:10 [yllona]
- the 9 CD box
- 02:44:15 [BrianFreud]
- yup
- 02:44:31 [BrianFreud]
- actually, I have never even been inside the itunes site.
- 02:44:37 [yllona]
- plus i tracked down the original LP art
- 02:44:49 [outsidecontext]
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- 02:45:12 [BrianFreud]
- If the tracks are there, but surrounded by all sorts of other junk you don't want, you might be able to just click the unwanted stuff away on a one-time basis with platypus, make copy/paste possible
- 02:45:45 [yllona]
- no not itunes site, if i ripped thru itunes and cleaned up the meta data, can one of your scrippts import from the itunes app?
- 02:46:00 [BrianFreud]
- I don't have anything to do it, no
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- 02:46:07 [yllona]
- okay.
- 02:46:07 [BrianFreud]
- can itunes export to text?
- 02:46:21 [BrianFreud]
- * BrianFreud doesn't use the app either :P
- 02:46:24 [yllona]
- yes and xml
- 02:47:25 [dholmes]
- Though iTunes' interpretation of XML is a bit... unusual
- 02:47:33 [BrianFreud]
- either one ought to be easy to scrape out... I'd like to finish this converter tonight, but if you want to export a few to xml and email to me, I can see about maybe putting something together
- 02:47:48 [BrianFreud]
- you don't use Excel, do you?
- 02:47:55 [yllona]
- i have six redd foxx, almost all the original bill cosby, the original eddie murphy, flip wilson and franklin ajaye
- 02:48:26 [yllona]
- i have official excel, i can install it. it will be the Mac ecel
- 02:48:35 [yllona]
- *Mac excel
- 02:49:11 [BrianFreud]
- Excel has XML handling abilities - as long as itunes is exporting valid xml, you could probably export - import, and get at the data pretty easily
- 02:49:59 [yllona]
- sure thing. i'll export the albums not in the pryor box set, see what you think
- 02:50:07 [BrianFreud]
- ok
- 02:50:19 [BrianFreud]
- You still have my email address?
- 02:50:24 [yllona]
- i'll export from itunes XML first.
- 02:50:28 [dholmes]
- BrianFreud: If you haven't seen iTunes' XML, I should warn you; that might not work so well as you'd expect
- 02:50:33 [yllona]
- BrianFreud: yes
- 02:50:45 [BrianFreud]
- ok
- 02:51:15 [yllona]
- i can export to unicode or plain text
- 02:51:20 [BrianFreud]
- dholmes: no doubt - Apple or MS, they both have rather ... interesting opinions on just what ought to go in xml
- 02:51:25 [BrianFreud]
- either's fine
- 02:52:00 [yllona]
- i did a few web sites using the itunes XML->apache cocoon. the scripts will be 3-4 years old tho.
- 02:52:38 [dholmes]
- Well, it's still workable, it's just that it's not an XML format specific to iTunes; it's an XML format corresponding to one of Apple's generic data structures, so it doesn't have things like <artist>John Doe</artist> or anything like that
- 02:52:41 [yllona]
- it was an XSL translation of the itunes XML
- 02:52:59 [BrianFreud]
- what you really prob need is an xslt, but I have zero experience with those
- 02:53:04 [dholmes]
- I wrote an iTunes XML -> Rhythmbox import script once that worked alright
- 02:53:21 [dholmes]
- I investigated XSLT for that at the time, but decided a Phython script was easier
- 02:53:28 [yllona]
- dholmes: i haaven't exported from the more recent versions of itunes
- 02:54:09 [dholmes]
- It might have changed, I don't know
- 02:54:15 [dholmes]
- I don't really use iTunes anymore
- 02:54:21 [yllona]
- BrianFreud: i'll do one album, see what you think
- 02:54:33 [BrianFreud]
- every time I look at xslt, I decide "good idea, way too complicated" :P
- 02:54:53 [BrianFreud]
- sure thing yllona
- 02:55:13 [yllona]
- BrianFreud: unicode or plain text?
- 02:55:47 [BrianFreud]
- either's fine - let's go with unicode, make sure anything you could throw at it can be handled
- 02:56:22 [BrianFreud]
- oh, I took this for cooperaa a few hours ago, before I started messing with the annotation section again. Here's the current progress on the edit window: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/brianfreud/AR.jpg
- 02:56:25 [yllona]
- okay will do. exporting "Black Ben the Blacksmith" from 1978
- 02:56:27 [BrianFreud]
- k
- 02:58:41 [BrianFreud]
- hmm, ok, one of the two troublesome cases gets caught here, but not the other, using \nhttp:\/\/.*\s
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- 03:03:55 [yllona]
- BrianFreud: e-mail sent :)
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- 03:05:32 [BrianFreud]
- ok
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- 03:06:26 [yllona]
- for redd foxx: his albums were mostly recorded as "party tapes", with little or no documentation
- 03:07:45 [yllona]
- for instance i have all the "Live & Dirty" CDs. all the CD notes say is "recorded live in a Los Angeles nightclub" ;)
- 03:08:42 [yllona]
- however, redd mentions that he was opening for abbey lincoln on that gig, so i'll have to track it down from there. i do know that the gig was from 1970
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- 03:09:00 [BrianFreud]
- man, no wonder it's 100k... think they shove the artist name in there enough?
- 03:09:24 [yllona]
- BrianFreud: heh. it's fin stuff
- 03:09:29 [yllona]
- *fun stuff
- 03:09:48 [BrianFreud]
- "R i c h a r d P r y o r" like 10,000 times
- 03:09:48 [BrianFreud]
- lol
- 03:10:30 [yllona]
- that's why xslt was the deal, when i was doing the itunes ELT stuff
- 03:11:49 [BrianFreud]
- hmmm, are you sure this is the xml output, not a post xslt transform?
- 03:11:54 [BrianFreud]
- "NameArtistComposerAlbumGroupingGenreSizeTimeDisc NumberDisc CountTrack NumberTrack CountYearDate ModifiedDate AddedBit RateSample RateVolume AdjustmentKindEqualizerCommentsPlay CountLast PlayedSkip CountLast SkippedMy RatingLocation
- 03:11:54 [BrianFreud]
- Super NiggerRichard PryorRichard Pryor, et. al....And It's Deep Too Box Set (Disc 1: Richard Pryor)Comedy32432231951918196812/19/05 11:55 PM7/1/07 1:53 PM12844100102MPEG audio fileFrom the album "Richard Pryor"22/23/08 2:30 AMMy Book 1 - 500 GB:iTunes Music:Compilations:_..And It's Deep Too Box Set (Disc 1_ Richard Pryor):1-01 Super Nigger.mp3
- 03:11:55 [BrianFreud]
- GirlsRichard PryorRichard Pryor, et. al....And It's Deep Too Box Set (Disc 1: Richard Pryor)Comedy33857412041928196812/19/05 11:55 PM7/1/07 1:53 PM12844100102MPEG audio fileFrom the album "Richard Pryor"22/23/08 2:33 AMMy Book 1 - 500 GB:iTunes Music:Compilations:_..And It's Deep Too Box Se
- 03:12:11 [BrianFreud]
- oops, didn't realize there was more than a few columns there
- 03:12:12 [BrianFreud]
- sorry
- 03:12:31 [yllona]
- BrianFreud: that's a straight itunes -> unicode text export
- 03:12:35 [BrianFreud]
- fun
- 03:12:58 [BrianFreud]
- firefox chokes on even the first line :P
- 03:13:47 [yllona]
- Firefox chokes regularly on the mac with simple web sites, so i don't use it except for testing
- 03:14:30 [BrianFreud]
- excel can't handle it either - invalid whitespace all over the place... hmmmm
- 03:15:48 [yllona]
- it works in my various text editors, and XML editors
- 03:15:59 [BrianFreud]
- actually, quickie googling on itunes format, looks like this might already be the transform you need yllona
- 03:16:03 [BrianFreud]
- http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/itunes-albumlist.html
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- 03:17:05 [yllona]
- BrianFreud: my goal is to import into MB. so where to go from there?
- 03:17:40 [yllona]
- and i'm not the only itunes user in the universe :)
- 03:17:53 [BrianFreud]
- if it can generate a list of the track #, title, and time for each album, you just snag the ones you want and track parser.
- 03:18:19 [BrianFreud]
- But yes, at some point an itunes import could be useful... guess I'll have to install itunes :D
- 03:18:34 [yllona]
- ah, i forgot about track parser
- 03:18:45 [BrianFreud]
- * BrianFreud loves track parser :)
- 03:22:31 [BrianFreud]
- any regexp experts here atm?
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- 03:24:23 [BrianFreud]
- hmmm, nm, looks like it's something else wierd here
- 03:42:48 [BrianFreud]
- got it :) /\b((ftp:|https?):\/\/\S*)/g
- 03:43:24 [BrianFreud]
- actually, /\b((ftp|https?):\/\/\S*)/g
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- 03:52:57 [yllona]
- okay. found all my bill cosby
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- 04:40:05 [CatCat]
- i have no more booze left ;_.
- 04:40:21 [CatCat]
- meh
- 04:40:22 [CatCat]
- natta
- 04:40:25 [CatCat]
- ^__^
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- * ruaok goes back to work on the picard app
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- anyone know if I can use a regexp for a case in a jx switch?
- 05:40:38 [BrianFreud]
- *js switch
- 05:40:58 [ruaok]
- cases are usually constants.
- 05:41:05 [ruaok]
- thus its quite unlikely
- 05:41:22 [BrianFreud]
- yeah, just wanted to avoid 10 fall-through cases to match '1.' '2.' '3.' etc
- 05:42:17 [BrianFreud]
- (this is where type="1" would be so much nicer than value="1" value="2" value="3" etc)
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- * nikki reads the chatlogs to find when someone mentioned her name...
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- 07:19:47 [ruaok]
- huzzah!
- 07:19:56 [ruaok]
- the mac picard dmg for intel works!
- 07:20:08 [nikki]
- it does cd lookups?
- 07:20:21 [ruaok]
- its does PUIDS
- 07:20:23 [nikki]
- ah
- 07:20:28 [ruaok]
- * ruaok has his bubble popped
- 07:20:33 [nikki]
- aww
- 07:20:43 [nikki]
- puids are still good!
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- * ruaok copies the DMG out
- 07:36:40 [nikki]
- * nikki wonders why cpan can't install stuff
- 07:37:36 [nikki]
- it just says "Can't test without successful make" and doesn't say why make was unsuccessful :/
- 07:39:59 [ruaok]
- cooperaa: http://users.musicbrainz.org/~robert/Picard-0.9.0-Intel.dmg
- 07:43:59 [nikki]
- hmm...
- 07:44:24 [ruaok]
- ?
- 07:44:50 [nikki]
- I wonder which of my computers is fastest to do puids from...
- 07:46:04 [nikki]
- I think it would probably be the macbook even though it has to read stuff from a usb disc...
- 07:47:12 [nikki]
- what does puid stuff depend on? cpu mainly?
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- ruaok: that doesn't work for me :(
- 07:51:16 [ruaok]
- details please.
- 07:52:53 [nikki]
- http://www.pastebin.se/193431
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- luks: You there?
- 07:57:36 [FauxFaux2]
- I wish there was some way I could see regexps live; they make me crazy, lol
- 07:57:43 [FauxFaux2]
- argh
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- * BrianFreud curses mIRC's nick memory
- 07:59:18 [BrianFreud]
- --> / {8}[^( .|\* .|\d\d?\. ?)]/ - that ought to match 8 spaces+anything that's not " ." or "11." or "1. " or "* ." right?
- 07:59:42 [Kerensky97]
- FauxFaux, didn't you mention something about AudioSurf a while back?
- 08:00:50 [ruaok]
- nikki: I'll fix it in the morning
- 08:01:15 [ruaok]
- but is you install iconv via macports it might work.
- 08:01:27 [nikki]
- * nikki giggles because it already is morning here
- 08:01:30 [nikki]
- ah
- 08:01:44 [nikki]
- I don't have macports installed at the moment either
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- mornings MB
- 08:47:12 [nikki]
- hey
- 08:49:06 [Kerensky97]
- monring (I need to go to bed)
- 08:49:13 [Kerensky97]
- *Morning
- 08:49:18 [Kerensky97]
- case in point
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- 08:50:55 [warp]
- :)
- 08:51:55 [nikki]
- hi Kerensky97, hi warp
- 08:52:28 [warp]
- time-of-day
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- :)
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- 1:54 AM
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- 17:26:37 [cooperaa]
- ruaok: get my comment regarding Picard on OSX?
- 17:27:30 [ruaok]
- I did.
- 17:27:34 [ruaok]
- what version are you running?
- 17:27:45 [cooperaa]
- 0.9.0
- 17:27:48 [ruaok]
- did anyone else try the DMG?
- 17:27:59 [cooperaa]
- not that I've heard
- 17:28:01 [ruaok]
- no shit sherlock. :) which version of OS X?
- 17:28:14 [nikki]
- is it morning now?
- 17:28:25 [ruaok]
- somewhere in the world, yes.
- 17:28:30 [cooperaa]
- I thought you just wanted to check that I was running the right version of picard ;)
- 17:28:35 [ruaok]
- maybe even in my party. :)
- 17:28:38 [cooperaa]
- 10.5.2
- 17:28:40 [nikki]
- hehe
- 17:28:50 [ruaok]
- nikki: and you're running?
- 17:28:58 [ruaok]
- party? part...
- 17:29:01 [ruaok]
- * ruaok isn't awake
- 17:29:03 [nikki]
- 10.4.10
- 17:29:12 [ruaok]
- * ruaok hates shifting his sleep schedule forward.
- 17:29:32 [ruaok]
- nikki: ls /usr/lib/iconv*
- 17:29:48 [cooperaa]
- weiiiiird
- 17:29:57 [cooperaa]
- this is the second time this album has been loaded into Picard twice
- 17:30:08 [nikki]
- ls: /usr/lib/iconv*: No such file or directory
- 17:30:13 [cooperaa]
- two instances of the album in picard's right panel
- 17:30:31 [cooperaa]
- ... there are 2 albums like this!
- 17:30:35 [ruaok]
- nikki: ls /usr/lib/libiconv*
- 17:31:03 [nikki]
- /usr/lib/libiconv.2.2.0.dylib /usr/lib/libiconv.2.dylib /usr/lib/libiconv.dylib /usr/lib/libiconv.la
- 17:31:17 [ruaok]
- wtf?
- 17:31:58 [nikki]
- no idea! I only use the machine!
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- hi
- 17:32:47 [ruaok]
- ah: Reason: Incompatible library version: QtGui.so requires version 7.0.0 or later, but libiconv.2.dylib provides version 5.0.0
- 17:34:40 [cooperaa]
- ruaok: is there any easy way to scan my library for PUIDs and submit the PUIDs for the existing MBID?
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- 17:35:19 [cooperaa]
- all my files have MBIDs so they don't scan automatically... so I drag them to unclustered, scan, and then put back on the correct albums
- 17:36:05 [ruaok]
- I think using genpuid might be easier.
- 17:37:15 [petros]
- First run genpuid, then run them through picard and submit?
- 17:37:25 [petros]
- Or is that double work?
- 17:37:52 [cooperaa]
- wow I forgot musicbrainz had forums!
- 17:37:59 [nikki]
- I always forget that too
- 17:38:05 [ruaok]
- ah yes, genpuid does submit that MB.
- 17:38:23 [ruaok]
- I think cooperaa's approach of rerunning files might be best
- 17:38:41 [cooperaa]
- okay... I can't find genpuid anyways :)
- 17:39:12 [nikki]
- nobody can unless they know how
- 17:39:55 [cooperaa]
- does genpuid generate PUIDs and "attach" them to the files?
- 17:40:17 [ruaok]
- cooperaa: log in to the mip site to download it.
- 17:40:17 [nikki]
- I think it can attach them but doesn't have to
- 17:40:23 [cooperaa]
- and then Picard would notice "hey, nice PUIDs... can I submit those to MB? *wink*wink*"
- 17:40:32 [ruaok]
- not sure.
- 17:40:43 [petros]
- I think so.
- 17:40:57 [ruaok]
- * ruaok is only the bag boy who puts luks morsels into the proper bags
- 17:41:04 [cooperaa]
- :)
- 17:41:11 [nikki]
- what does that mean?
- 17:41:29 [cooperaa]
- okay what the heck... I'm logged in... where are they hiding genpuid?
- 17:42:21 [nikki]
- * nikki grmls about the fact she can't figure out how the iso 639-3 codes for german dialects correspond to actual dialects
- 17:42:21 [ruaok]
- dunno. have you got a musicdns key? you need to sign up for that too
- 17:44:07 [cooperaa]
- looks like jesus2099 explains the process here: http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2099#p2099
- 17:45:18 [cooperaa]
- what a strange coinsidence that jesus2099 would have post 2099
- 17:45:44 [petros]
- He's probably renaming his profile for each post. :)
- 17:46:22 [petros]
- "..some people juggle geese"
- 17:46:26 [cooperaa]
- I don't think so: http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?username=jesus2099
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- 17:55:25 [petros]
- Yeah, just destroy an off-hand semi-humourous remark with cold hard facts. See if I care. I got icecream in the frezer. i can handle any adversity the world might decide to throw at me with quality icecream in the freezer.
- 17:55:41 [petros]
- * petros goes to get icecream
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- * warp tries to grok mako templates.
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- ok, I dont know how to fix the DMG for tiger now.
- 18:04:45 [ruaok]
- I'll have to investigate that later.
- 18:04:53 [ruaok]
- for now its leopard intel only
- 18:08:28 [mudcrow]
- http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8398074 & http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8398073 some yes votes please to clean up my stupidty
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- !asin B000PMFS82
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- aw our friend is gone...
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- is it wrong of me to wake up at 21:10, yeat a cupnoodle, read chatloggs and then go back to bed again?
- 20:27:39 [Senilix]
- CatCat: no.
- 20:27:54 [CatCat]
- hei Senilix
- 20:27:59 [Senilix]
- god aften
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- god kveld :3
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- cup noodles \o/
- 21:02:16 [CatCat]
- hallo warp
- 21:02:23 [warp]
- hallo
- 21:02:49 [warp]
- i have made a partial mockup of 1 page of my top secret project :)
- 21:03:00 [CatCat]
- :o
- 21:05:06 [FauxFaux2]
- * FauxFaux2 wants to see :)
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- argh
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- i knoes how brainfrø
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- why every time I turn around have I turned into FauxFaux?
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- you must quit as BrianFreud
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- dere ja goes
- 21:05:50 [BrianFreudf]
- ok, now we see
- 21:05:52 [BrianFreudf]
- lol
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- 22:22:09 [BrianFreud]
- man, once I study it hard, I find the most bizarre things in Text::Wiki markup :P
- 22:22:22 [BrianFreud]
- </li></ul></li><li value="1"> :D
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- BrianFreud: you seem to have problem with any words after "wiki" :)
- 22:35:08 [luks]
- Text::WikiFormat -> Text::Wiki, Wikipedia -> Wiki :)
- 22:37:44 [BrianFreud]
- lol
- 22:38:41 [BrianFreud]
- almost have managed to catch every funky case here in exactly rendering the HTML linebreaks as Text::WikiFormat does. I'd be interested in your thoughts on this js - I'm sure it's unoptimized :)
- 22:40:25 [luks]
- I ported Text::WikiFormat to python yesterday
- 22:40:26 [BrianFreud]
- http://musicbrainz.pastebin.com/d480557cc
- 22:40:35 [BrianFreud]
- fun :)
- 22:40:45 [luks]
- much easier to do direct port instead of doing it your own way :)
- 22:41:09 [BrianFreud]
- the Text::WikiFormat --> HTML wasn't so bad, but Text::WikiFormat --> HTML --> Text::WikiFormat and still getting the same result on the tail end is much harder
- 22:41:47 [BrianFreud]
- on the plus side, I'm getting much more comfortable with regexps :D
- 22:42:30 [creature]
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- 22:44:02 [creature]
- Hello. I'm trying to add the following classical album to MB, as it's not currently on there. I presume that the language/script should be German/Latin? And is it a compilation or an album (it's a 'scenes from' two of Wagner's operas).
- 22:45:37 [BrianFreud]
- luks: offhand, none of the other possible matching tags are ever used, but I wonder if there's a cleaner regexp that would match every possible tag *except* <BR>, and not fail on the 6 tags this one would fail on: <\/?[^b][^r]?>
- 22:45:37 [creature]
- http://tinyurl.com/2l698p
- 22:46:21 [luks]
- BrianFreud: umm, I know how to do it with perl regexes
- 22:46:28 [luks]
- but that probably won't work in JS
- 22:46:44 [BrianFreud]
- is there some way to do [^(word)] in js regexp?
- 22:46:45 [luks]
- regular expressions are usually not good for *not* matching text
- 22:47:49 [luks]
- creature: is that a new recording or a mix of previously released recordings?
- 22:48:05 [creature]
- luks: I think it's a new recording.
- 22:48:06 [BrianFreud]
- yeah, it's the tail end of this nasty creature: <\/(o|u)l>.*<\/li>.*<\/?[^b][^r]?> :D
- 22:48:19 [luks]
- creature: then "Album, Official"
- 22:48:33 [luks]
- and German/Latin
- 22:48:47 [rjmunro]
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- 22:49:13 [luks]
- and for CSG you have a local expert here - BrianFreud :)
- 22:49:19 [BrianFreud]
- lol
- 22:50:51 [BrianFreud]
- * BrianFreud recommends http://www.brianfreud.byethost13.com/COBottle.html , though keep in mind you then need to standardize typography back to " - :
- 22:51:14 [luks]
- hehe
- 22:51:20 [luks]
- that's a lot of inputs
- 22:51:21 [creature]
- BrianFreud: That's a scary form. :|
- 22:51:23 [BrianFreud]
- lol
- 22:51:32 [BrianFreud]
- 90% of it you would never ever need
- 22:52:03 [BrianFreud]
- that thing can handle (almost) any classical work - MClemo found the one exception :P
- 22:52:16 [BrianFreud]
- ...or maybe it was xlotlu, don't remember
- 22:52:39 [creature]
- Is there a page of opera style guide?
- 22:53:01 [creature]
- "Götterdämmerung, Act 3, Scene 3: Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort" <-- How's that for a sample track style?
- 22:53:07 [BrianFreud]
- yes, but it's confusing
- 22:53:13 [pbryan]
- Close.
- 22:53:17 [BrianFreud]
- rather out of date
- 22:53:29 [pbryan]
- Should be: Götterdämmerung: Act 3, Scene 3. "Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort"
- 22:53:46 [BrianFreud]
- http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BrianFreud/sandbox#CSGoperastructure + http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BrianFreud/sandbox#CSGmovement would answer you better
- 22:53:53 [BrianFreud]
- yep
- 22:54:04 [pbryan]
- http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/OperaTrackStyle
- 22:54:22 [pbryan]
- Oh, actually, should be....
- 22:54:25 [BrianFreud]
- Do you know the roles?
- 22:54:34 [pbryan]
- Götterdämmerung: Act III, Scene III. "Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort"
- 22:54:36 [creature]
- The roles?
- 22:54:45 [pbryan]
- The characters in the track.
- 22:54:51 [BrianFreud]
- what character in the opera is being performed
- 22:55:14 [igorr_]
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- 22:55:22 [creature]
- I think this is all sung by Brünnhilde, who is performed by Margaret Jane Wray, soprano.
- 22:55:35 [BrianFreud]
- Götterdämmerung: Act III, Scene III. "Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort" (Brünnhilde)
- 22:55:37 [pbryan]
- If you don't know, don't say. It's optional in OperaTrackStyle.
- 22:55:51 [igorr_]
- çäðàñüòå
- 22:56:10 [pbryan]
- Hi igorr_...
- 22:56:27 [FauxFosdem]
- * FauxFosdem huggles BrianFreud, my twin.
- 22:56:34 [BrianFreud]
- lol, hi FauxFosdem :)
- 22:56:39 [yllona]
- creature: one sec i have a complete ring cycle from bayreuth, let me grab it
- 22:56:45 [FauxFosdem]
- FauxFosdem is now known as FauxFaux
- 22:56:45 [igorr_]
- pbryan: do you know russin? :)
- 22:56:45 [BrianFreud]
- mIRC seems to keep wanting to make me into you :D
- 22:56:54 [pbryan]
- igorr_: Niet.
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- 22:59:52 [creature]
- Are characters listed in order of appearance, or alphabetically?
- 23:00:15 [yllona]
- creature: "Starke Scheite schichtet mir dort" (Brünnhilde) is brunhilde
- 23:00:38 [yllona]
- act ii, scene ii
- 23:00:48 [yllona]
- * scene iii, sorry
- 23:00:50 [creature]
- This is act 3, scene 3.
- 23:00:59 [creature]
- Book says it and all.
- 23:01:06 [yllona]
- yes, i'm saying you're correct
- 23:01:16 [pbryan]
- creature: In order of appearance.
- 23:02:34 [yllona]
- then norn(s) 1-3 would be listed first :)
- 23:03:14 [yllona]
- and then the orchestral interlude -- which will be problematic in MB
- 23:03:14 [pbryan]
- Norns? I guess yllona, you know this opera? ;)
- 23:03:35 [creature]
- yllona: This isn't a full ring cycle, it's just bits of it.
- 23:04:17 [yllona]
- pbryan: yep, and i'm working from a complete ring, from the bayreuth festival in 1967.. it's considered "definitive"
- 23:04:26 [pbryan]
- Wow.
- 23:04:26 [yllona]
- 14 CDs, full documentations
- 23:04:39 [Tykling]
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- 23:04:41 [pbryan]
- 4 operas?
- 23:05:16 [yllona]
- pbryan a fill ring cycle -- so yes
- 23:05:31 [pbryan]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen
- 23:05:31 [pbryan]
- ?
- 23:05:41 [yllona]
- *full ring cycle
- 23:05:50 [igorr_]
- hm. there ara russian music grops in data base
- 23:06:10 [pbryan]
- igorr_: Sure.
- 23:06:12 [yllona]
- pbryan: that's what i'm talking about :)
- 23:06:57 [pbryan]
- igorr_: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/a5b38b12-80e3-4204-9557-c7309c024147.html
- 23:07:04 [pbryan]
- yllona: I should get into Wagner.
- 23:07:38 [yllona]
- pbryan: politics aside, it's beautiful music
- 23:08:02 [creature]
- OK, this particular track starts with both characters singing. Which order do I list them in now?
- 23:08:28 [pbryan]
- creature: If it's not documented with the work, I wouldn't take guesses.
- 23:08:30 [yllona]
- creature: which track? the same?
- 23:08:42 [creature]
- yllona: No.
- 23:08:52 [creature]
- This is part of Tristan und Isolde, Act II, Scene II.
- 23:08:56 [creature]
- pbryan: It is documented.
- 23:08:57 [yllona]
- creature: what's the track?
- 23:09:01 [creature]
- It's documented as 'both'.
- 23:09:12 [igorr_]
- :)
- 23:09:21 [pbryan]
- I'd use the order they documented it in.
- 23:09:27 [yllona]
- oh, i'll have to find my tristan, that could take a while
- 23:09:30 [creature]
- Tristan und Isolde, Act II, Scene II. "O sink hernieder, Nacht der Liebe"
- 23:09:33 [pbryan]
- * pbryan feels he might be missing something...
- 23:09:42 [pbryan]
- Tristan und Isolde: Act II, Scene II. "O sink hernieder, Nacht der Liebe"
- 23:09:44 [pbryan]
- (colon)
- 23:09:51 [igorr_]
- i can understand you, but i can't write well :)
- 23:10:01 [creature]
- The text of the opera lists the first passage of this track as "Both".
- 23:10:09 [pbryan]
- Oh.
- 23:10:24 [pbryan]
- My vote would be to say "both" as well.
- 23:10:59 [pbryan]
- igorr_: No problem. :)
- 23:12:41 [creature]
- BrianFreud: Any input?
- 23:16:55 [BrianFreud]
- sorry, was distracted
- 23:17:12 [creature]
- No problem.
- 23:17:19 [BrianFreud]
- re: the order of roles?
- 23:17:32 [creature]
- When the first passage of the track is a duet.
- 23:17:55 [BrianFreud]
- alphabetical by first letter of the role name, so (Alice, Bob, Cindy, Don Giovani, Eliza, Harry, Tom)
- 23:18:24 [yllona]
- creature: on all my operas, the notes list them in order of appearance
- 23:18:42 [BrianFreud]
- a duet where both appear at the same time yllona
- 23:18:45 [yllona]
- your notes for tristan don't include the libretto?
- 23:19:00 [creature]
- Erm, libretto is the text, right?
- 23:19:08 [yllona]
- creature: yes
- 23:19:13 [creature]
- They do. For this track it starts with them both singing. A duet.
- 23:19:23 [yllona]
- BrianFreud: alphabetical then
- 23:19:31 [BrianFreud]
- luks, btw, if you want to test your converter, every possibel acid test I can find is in http://test.musicbrainz.org/show/artist/?artistid=352015
- 23:20:09 [luks]
- I have a test suite, I don't need acit tests :)
- 23:20:14 [yllona]
- creature: like i said, i'd have to dig up my tristan, and i'm doing something else now (bill cosby)
- 23:20:15 [luks]
- acid
- 23:20:17 [creature]
- The final track has a 'special' ending. Is this the correct way to cite it:
- 23:20:19 [BrianFreud]
- lol
- 23:20:21 [creature]
- Tristan und Isolde, Act II, Scene II. "O ewâge Nacht, süsse Nacht!" (Isolde, Tristan) (Concert ending, 1862)
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- 23:20:48 [BrianFreud]
- * BrianFreud 's "test suite" needs a source to hinge on :P
- 23:21:26 [BrianFreud]
- yllona, speaking of cool old spoken word...
- 23:21:27 [BrianFreud]
- * BrianFreud William S. Burroughs - Spare Ass Annie (from "Spare Ass Annie and Other Tale") (04:30)
- 23:21:34 [luks]
- automated testing is much better than "try and see if it works" :)
- 23:22:07 [creature]
- BrianFreud: Does my track name look OK there?
- 23:22:13 [yllona]
- pbryan: for the complete ring cycle, i have this set: with a different cover: http://www.amazon.com/Richard-Wagner-Nibelungen-Gerd-Nienstedt/dp/B0000040YY/
- 23:22:34 [BrianFreud]
- true, I just have been using the slow method - if it's wrong, it's immediately visible in the test displays I hang on that annotation row
- 23:22:58 [BrianFreud]
- creature: Why the (Concert ending, 1862)? That ought to be in annotations
- 23:23:33 [BrianFreud]
- unless it's version info
- 23:24:01 [creature]
- "Included on this disc is the rarely recorded 1862 concert ending to the Love Duet from Tristan und Isolde".
- 23:24:44 [creature]
- On the track listing it is marked with an asterisk, with the 'Concert ending, 1862' given just underneath.
- 23:24:51 [BrianFreud]
- Sounds like annotation material - it also sounds like an appendix insert aria, though, which would make it Tristan und Isolde, Act II, Scene II. Appendix "O ewâge Nacht, süsse Nacht!" (Isolde, Tristan)
- 23:25:13 [BrianFreud]
- sory, no: Tristan und Isolde, Appendix. Act II, Scene II. "O ewâge Nacht, süsse Nacht!" (Isolde, Tristan)
- 23:25:46 [creature]
- I think it's an alternative version of the final 'movement'.
- 23:25:59 [BrianFreud]
- yeah, then it'd be an appendix work
- 23:26:32 [creature]
- This is clearly some special classical meaning of Appendix I'm not familiar with.
- 23:27:19 [BrianFreud]
- operas sometimes have extra movements - insert arias/duets/etc written for various singers after the fact, arias/recitatives/etc that aren't in the normal running order.
- 23:27:32 [BrianFreud]
- They're in the appendix to the opera - 'optional movements' if you will.
- 23:27:40 [yllona]
- creature: these days, performers are re-creating the opera "as first appeared", so songs may have been cut from the original production.
- 23:29:11 [yllona]
- creature: i recently saw a turandot where the finale was re-created. as the composer died before the opera was finished. so there were two endings performed (on different nights)
- 23:29:33 [BrianFreud]
- yes; there's a 2 CD part of the Philips Mozart set which is entirely insert arias
- 23:29:35 [creature]
- "Tristan enthusiasts will find much else of interest in the appendix to this volume, including new music to facilitate cuts in Acts II & III, as well as all the alterations in Tristan's part which Wagner made to accommodate the first Tristan, Ludwig Schnorr von Carolsfield, during the abortive rehearsals in Vienna between 1861 and 1863.
- 23:29:58 [yllona]
- creature: yep, that's what i'm talking about :)
- 23:30:04 [creature]
- "Today's tenors will be horrified to discover that most of these changes meant taking the vocal part higher rather than lower, as Schnorr was evidently a higher tenor who found the role uncomfortably low."
- 23:30:13 [BrianFreud]
- just be careful to fistinguish 'appendix to this recording' and 'appendix to the opera'
- 23:30:17 [BrianFreud]
- *distinguish
- 23:31:34 [creature]
- Which environment variable does Picard consult again to determine which browser it uses?
- 23:32:03 [luks]
- BROWSER
- 23:32:14 [creature]
- luks: How is it set?
- 23:32:32 [BrianFreud]
- I have several opera recordings, for example, where the particular company opted to not perform a movement that *is* in the normal running order, which the label then pulled from a different performance and included as an 'appendix to the recording', but that doesn't make them 'Appendix' works.
- 23:33:13 [luks]
- something like BROWSER="firefox '%s' &" should work
- 23:33:43 [luks]
- but on gnome and kde it also tries to use the default browser for those desktops
- 23:34:22 [creature]
- I have set my BROWSER variable but it's ignoring it. :| I'm using Fluxbox.
- 23:34:32 [creature]
- http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/relationships.html?releaseid=689415 is this album, should you wish to vote for its inclusion.
- 23:35:03 [creature]
- How do I add details like performers again?
- 23:36:45 [BrianFreud]
- advanced relationships
- 23:37:00 [BrianFreud]
- in the release view, click on "Relate to..." to pop up the window
- 23:39:12 [BrianFreud]
- creature: Track 5, why the (r)?
- 23:39:24 [creature]
- BrianFreud: That's how it's listed on the cover.
- 23:39:29 [creature]
- You'd have to ask a German speaker.
- 23:41:51 [BrianFreud]
- looks like the paren is a typo: http://www.operatoday.com/content/2006/08/wagner_tristan_2.php
- 23:43:27 [creature]
- I don't think so, looking at the libretto.
- 23:43:51 [creature]
- "Tristan: Isolde! Geliebte! Isolde: Tristan! Geliebter!"
- 23:43:52 [BrianFreud]
- *shrug*
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- 23:43:56 [BrianFreud]
- ah, ok
- 23:48:25 [creature]
- Bunch of annotations now added.
- 23:52:01 [ruaok]
- * ruaok runs off to SF for http://sanfranmusictech.com/
- 23:52:04 [ruaok]
- ta ta!
- 23:52:11 [ruaok]
- back late tomorrow!
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- 23:52:36 [conan]
- to install 0.9.0 should I first remove 0.9.0alpha14 or is it better to install ontop and let it upgrade?
- 23:53:57 [BrianFreud]
- I had no problems installing overtop on Windows. You do have to set your l/p again - even if the blanks for l/p look like they're already populated
- 23:56:29 [petros]
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- 23:57:51 [conan]
- is there any downside to un-installing?
- 23:57:57 [conan]
- do you loose any configuration information?