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04:18:02 [CallerNo6]
haha. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4niz8TfY794&t=15m32s
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(if you care about serialists and copyright)
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06:05:29 [jesus2099]
helklo there if anyone is interested in the logos that you find on releases that are called labels… i tried to edit a label to what it appears as on releases but have a no for the moment : https://musicbrainz.org/edit/28303280 by the now famous DO NOT USE THIS LABEL editor ;)
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07:03:45 [Schisma______]
hi
07:03:54 [Schisma______]
does anyone know a good example for a series?
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07:08:36 [jesus2099]
Schisma, don't know if any good and only 2 or 3 series https://musicbrainz.org/user/jesus2099/subscriptions/series
07:09:48 [Schisma______]
found a good example on the wiki-page
07:12:54 [Schisma______]
please support my proposal: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#Musicbrainz_Series_ID
07:19:36 [Schisma______]
in case you are into wikidata
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http://adf.ly/pyduc
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08:37:30 [zag2]
Any idea why there are suddenly duped "S Club 7" artist?
08:37:42 [zag2]
Both http://musicbrainz.org/artist/c4901095-0bc2-4cea-a8d3-e76de3cc325e and http://musicbrainz.org/artist/bd5cf3e9-cb6c-41f3-8c7d-e9bda3c4e721 are identical.
08:38:30 [Cuan]
Look in the history to get an idea.
08:40:10 [zag2]
both histories look identical to me
08:41:02 [zag2]
oh i see it redirects to the new MBID when clicking history
08:41:46 [Cuan]
http://musicbrainz.org/edit/19756791
08:41:58 [Cuan]
Not really that sudden that they were merged.
08:42:12 [Cuan]
But the old MBID still points to the merged entry.
08:44:26 [zag2]
Cool thanks
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08:45:12 [jesus2099]
callerno6, the youtube says the video is unavailable
08:45:23 [jesus2099]
is there a way to remove milissa’s spam from MB chatlogs ?
08:45:48 [jesus2099]
https://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2014/2014-07/2014-07-01.html#T08-29-39-53066
08:46:33 [zag2]
just for info that one merged artist breaks like 100,000 xbmc scrapes looking at the logs :)
08:46:49 [zag2]
So I will update with the new MBID to fix it
08:47:03 [zag2]
never knew so many people listened to S club 7 lol
08:47:44 [Cuan]
Well, that's probably XMBCs fault if it doesn't handle this correctly.
08:47:59 [Cuan]
Or whoever wrote the scraper
08:48:22 [zag2]
indeed (looks at himself)
08:48:38 [zag2]
our metadata sites also rely on static MBID's though
08:48:45 [zag2]
its quite a task if they change on our whole ecosystem
08:49:35 [zag2]
but as you say, can be fixed with some code changes
08:49:38 [Cuan]
Well, the old ones still work. So it's not a problem when you look things up.
08:49:52 [Cuan]
But if you try to use them as a static identifier, yeah.
08:51:02 [Cuan]
After an artist/release/etc. merge, it becomes a many-to-one thing.
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09:26:36 [zag2]
yeh we use it as unique at some points
09:26:44 [zag2]
I'll suggest some changes to that
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09:58:58 [Schisma______]
on audio tapes can I mark somehow which track is on which side?
10:00:29 [Cuan]
A1, A2, A3, B1 etc.
10:01:22 [Schisma______]
as "disc title"?
10:01:42 [Cuan]
Nah, as track numbers.
10:02:03 [Cuan]
Different sides of a cassette, vinyl record etc. are still the same medium.
10:02:14 [Schisma______]
ic
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odd
10:04:50 [Cuan]
Not really.
10:04:59 [Schisma______]
ah, track numbers
10:05:02 [Schisma______]
i thought track names
10:05:08 [Schisma______]
makes sense
10:05:11 [Cuan]
That kind of numbering scheme is especially common for vinyl.
10:05:15 [Cuan]
Yeah.
10:08:49 [MightyJay]
anybody feel like voting for my edit so I can continue tagging? Thanks! :) http://musicbrainz.org/edit/28321963
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13:59:54 [mb-chat-logger]
New post: blog: New autumn schema change date: 17 November, 2014 <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2014/07/01/new-autumn-schema-change-date-17-november-2014/>
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14:42:36 [xram]
is there a keyboard shortcut for the next song in the artist credit box ?
14:43:12 [hawke]
Nope.
14:43:16 [hawke]
I wish there were.
14:44:13 [hawke]
http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4719
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14:44:51 [hawke]
hey jesus2099, do you still have  "MB. auto-focus + keyboard-select ver.2013.0617.2320."?
14:45:01 [hawke]
(Or whatever the current version is?)
14:52:54 [Cuan]
xram: Pressing Enter usually works for me.
14:53:15 [Cuan]
Unless I deleted an artist credit before, then the delete button has focus.
14:53:33 [Cuan]
So there's no consistent keyboard shortcut to speak of.
14:53:58 [Cuan]
Just what your browser does.
14:59:31 [CallerNo6]
Why wouldn't you just tab between fields. Tabbing four times seems faster than reaching for some goofy arrow key :-)
15:00:02 [CallerNo6]
* CallerNo6 should try to put question marks at the end of his questions, just to see how it goes.
15:00:06 [hawke]
CallerNo6: because it’s five tabs to move down one field.
15:00:53 [hawke]
Wait
15:00:55 [hawke]
make that 9 tabs
15:01:04 [CallerNo6]
?
15:01:41 [hawke]
artist credit, edit button, duration, guess case, delete track, move track up, move track down, track duration, track title
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er — second 'duration' should be 'number'
15:02:16 [CallerNo6]
huh. my browser skips some of those
15:03:08 [hawke]
<rant>but OMG people on mac don’t know how to use home/end so we’ll make up/down move left/right instead!</rant>
15:03:11 [CallerNo6]
I get five. Faster (for me) than reaching away from the "home position" or whatever typists call it.
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mac users get what they deserve :-P
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15:04:37 [xram]
ah yes enter key is not perfect
15:04:46 [xram]
I thought it was the shortcut I was looking for
15:04:57 [CallerNo6]
(although I gotta say, the new mac pro is pretty cool looking)
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15:06:41 [hawke]
Enter key would probably be a good choice, since it at least is designed as a newline
15:07:16 [hawke]
designed→expected
15:07:22 [CallerNo6]
don't spreadsheets and tabular things generally use up/down arrow?
15:07:48 [Cuan]
Spreadsheets always do the thing you don't want.
15:07:56 [CallerNo6]
haha, true
15:08:28 [Cuan]
Autocomplete/-format when you don't want it.
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etc.
15:09:25 [CallerNo6]
I always thought that spreadsheet editing was logical, and it was my fault for not being able to do it efficiently.
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Maybe someday I'll understand.
15:11:21 [Cuan]
Users aren't logical.
15:11:55 [CallerNo6]
(oh, it's five "tabs" for me because the release I was editing had ghosted track times. So six tabs. Maybe that's a bit much.)
15:12:13 [Cuan]
And then there's differences between different office suites, or just the personal customizations.
15:12:33 [Cuan]
Having to work with someone else's configuration can be a horror sometimes.
15:13:44 [CallerNo6]
The solution is obvious. vi-mode for all the things!
15:14:45 [CallerNo6]
huh. actually, I should try vimperator with the release editor.
15:15:23 [hawke]
To me the solution is obvious: ignore the Mac insanity and do the obviously-correct thing. ;-)
15:16:00 [derwin]
there's a related thing I hate
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where chrome on mac scrolls a web page once you get to the top of a text box
15:16:26 [derwin]
15 years of using web browsers and that never worked like that
15:16:49 [hawke]
(oh, and one problem with 'enter' is that it only goes down, not up)
15:18:10 [derwin]
oh, and don't get me started on soundcloud taking over "spacebar" to no longer mean "page down"
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* CallerNo6 remembers why he doesn't use vimperator
15:22:13 [hawke]
derwin: I like that. better than having to hope there’s somewhere you can tab to that lets you scroll
15:22:37 [derwin]
hawke: what I end up doing is hitting "fn-down"
15:22:43 [derwin]
hawke: ... because my mac has no page down
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(or being unable to tab if the textarea allows entry of tab chars)
15:23:53 [antihero]
nobody has voted on the edit I made yesterday :( is that normal? http://musicbrainz.org/edit/28311870
15:24:54 [hawke]
antihero: very normal. Don’t worry though, if no one votes against it, it will be accepted.
15:25:28 [antihero]
hawke: cool. Is there a way to get beets to use non-voted edits?
15:25:38 [hawke]
antihero: Not that I know of.
15:26:18 [hawke]
antihero: I don’t think there’s any way for beets to retrieve a 'future data' view, since even Musicbrainz can’t do that.
15:26:25 [antihero]
hawke: makes sense
15:27:06 [antihero]
ooh, TIL ncmpcpp has super simple mass editing
15:27:23 [derwin]
btw, antihero, #beets also exists and is friendly :)
15:27:30 [antihero]
derwin: thanks!
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15:51:12 [Mineo]
* Mineo wishes that bugfeature where the way beets writes tags to vorbis comments causes them to show up twice in ncmpcpp would get fixed :/
15:57:11 [derwin]
it parses both the vorbis and id3 and displays both or?
16:01:11 [Mineo]
no, beets writes some tags twice with different keys (for example "track" and "tracknumber") and mpd reads both and passes them to ncmpcpp
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though I have no idea which of the 3 programs is doing the wrong thing there
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16:22:06 [sampsyo]
IMHO, ncmpcpp :)
16:22:12 [sampsyo]
but we should still fix beets to compensate
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17:39:48 [hawke]
sampsyo: I could see it either way — I’d rather beets would pick one to standardize on.
17:41:01 [sampsyo]
Yes, it's possible that should be the default -- the advantage this way is that the greatest variety of other software is not surprised (ncmpcpp being the only tool that has problems with multiple keys)
17:41:28 [sampsyo]
And in the status quo, it's impossible to say which other tools would break if we made a change. Hence, inertia.
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20:42:44 [CallerNo6]
argg. foodies ruin everything. http://blog.archive.org/2014/06/30/happy-hour-interval-jul8/
20:43:01 [derwin]
?
20:43:42 [CallerNo6]
* CallerNo6 rejects artisinal-foodie culture
20:44:16 [CallerNo6]
(and also refuses to use the word "yummy" with anybody older than three)
20:47:01 [CallerNo6]
Otherwise, sounds like a fun gig.
20:47:06 [CatQuest]
[17:04] <CallerNo6> mac users get what they deserve :-P
20:47:11 [CatQuest]
hey man don't be like that :P
20:47:26 [CatQuest]
(but yea it kinda sucks there is no home/end key)
20:49:02 [CatQuest]
oohh fn down and up works like page up and page down. neat!
20:50:01 [derwin]
yeah, handy huh.
20:50:20 [CallerNo6]
functional, even
20:50:24 [CallerNo6]
:-P
20:50:36 [CatQuest]
hey derwin sorry about waiting for that share document thing, I didn't get mail because I was an idiot and someohwo closed the "mail" tab
20:50:38 [CatQuest]
:P
20:51:03 [derwin]
ah, d'oh!
20:54:56 [CatQuest]
anyway I'm off to go make onion soup :D
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21:22:52 [drsaunde]
If you don't believe your country should come before yourself; You can better serve your country, by living somewhere else - Stompin Tom Connors
21:23:03 [drsaunde]
Happy Canada Day everyone!
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22:53:36 [drsaunde]
Lotheric: Happy Canada Day!
22:53:49 [drsaunde]
Navap: Happy Canada Day!
23:04:56 [drsaunde]
kepstin_: Happy Canada Day!
23:08:05 [CallerNo6]
Canada: Happy Yourself Day!
23:17:18 [VxJasonxV]
lulz
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